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[jira] Created: (LEGAL-36) CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts

CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts
-----------------------

                 Key: LEGAL-36
                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36
             Project: Legal Discuss
          Issue Type: Question
            Reporter: Jukka Zitting


The incubating Apache PDFBox project embeds CMap files (character code mappings) for CJK (Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) fonts in PDF documents.  The files are available from http://www.adobe.com/devnet/font/#pcfi and come with license headers like this:

    Copyright 1990-2001 Adobe Systems Incorporated.
    All Rights Reserved.

    Patents Pending

    NOTICE: All information contained herein is the property
    of Adobe Systems Incorporated.

    Permission is granted for redistribution of this file
    provided this copyright notice is maintained intact and
    that the contents of this file are not altered in any
    way from its original form.

    PostScript and Display PostScript are trademarks of
    Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in
    certain jurisdictions.

The license grants rights to redistribute the files, but does not allow any modifications. Is it OK for Apache PDFBox to redistribute these files unmodified?

Having these files included in PDFBox is highly convenient as they allow PDFBox to work OOTB with PDF documents that contain CJK fonts. Also, I can't think of cases where a user would want to modify the CMap files.


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[jira] Commented: (LEGAL-36) CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts

Posted by "Henri Yandell (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
    [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12634494#action_12634494 ] 

Henri Yandell commented on LEGAL-36:
------------------------------------

I'm in favour of this being acceptable use - namely that they can be considered category B licenses and not be modified. 

> CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts
> -----------------------
>
>                 Key: LEGAL-36
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36
>             Project: Legal Discuss
>          Issue Type: Question
>            Reporter: Jukka Zitting
>
> The incubating Apache PDFBox project embeds CMap files (character code mappings) for CJK (Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) fonts in PDF documents.  The files are available from http://www.adobe.com/devnet/font/#pcfi and come with license headers like this:
>     Copyright 1990-2001 Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     All Rights Reserved.
>     Patents Pending
>     NOTICE: All information contained herein is the property
>     of Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     Permission is granted for redistribution of this file
>     provided this copyright notice is maintained intact and
>     that the contents of this file are not altered in any
>     way from its original form.
>     PostScript and Display PostScript are trademarks of
>     Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in
>     certain jurisdictions.
> The license grants rights to redistribute the files, but does not allow any modifications. Is it OK for Apache PDFBox to redistribute these files unmodified?
> Having these files included in PDFBox is highly convenient as they allow PDFBox to work OOTB with PDF documents that contain CJK fonts. Also, I can't think of cases where a user would want to modify the CMap files.

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[jira] Updated: (LEGAL-36) CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts

Posted by "Jukka Zitting (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
     [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]

Jukka Zitting updated LEGAL-36:
-------------------------------

    Attachment: LEGAL-36.patch

Attached a proposed patch that adds a new section about this to the Previously Asked Question page. I've tried to summarize the apparent consensus, but feel free to propose edits if I'm missing or misrepresenting something.

Here's a plain text copy of the proposed new section:

  * How should licenses that prevent modification be handled?

    There are licenses that give broad rights for redistribution of
    /unmodified/ copies. Such licenses are not open source, but they
    do satisfy the second and third guiding principles above.

    Apache projects must not include material under such licenses in
    version control or in released source packages. It is however acceptable
    for a build process to automatically download such dependencies and
    include them in the resulting binaries. Such use makes it clear that
    these dependencies are not a part of the open source code of the project.

    Software and other material under the following licenses may be used
    as described above:

        * CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts (http://www.adobe.com/devnet/font/#pcfi)


> CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts
> -----------------------
>
>                 Key: LEGAL-36
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36
>             Project: Legal Discuss
>          Issue Type: Question
>            Reporter: Jukka Zitting
>         Attachments: LEGAL-36.patch
>
>
> The incubating Apache PDFBox project embeds CMap files (character code mappings) for CJK (Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) fonts in PDF documents.  The files are available from http://www.adobe.com/devnet/font/#pcfi and come with license headers like this:
>     Copyright 1990-2001 Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     All Rights Reserved.
>     Patents Pending
>     NOTICE: All information contained herein is the property
>     of Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     Permission is granted for redistribution of this file
>     provided this copyright notice is maintained intact and
>     that the contents of this file are not altered in any
>     way from its original form.
>     PostScript and Display PostScript are trademarks of
>     Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in
>     certain jurisdictions.
> The license grants rights to redistribute the files, but does not allow any modifications. Is it OK for Apache PDFBox to redistribute these files unmodified?
> Having these files included in PDFBox is highly convenient as they allow PDFBox to work OOTB with PDF documents that contain CJK fonts. Also, I can't think of cases where a user would want to modify the CMap files.

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[jira] Commented: (LEGAL-36) CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts

Posted by "Jukka Zitting (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
    [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12711266#action_12711266 ] 

Jukka Zitting commented on LEGAL-36:
------------------------------------

I'm not sure how this should be reflected on the resolved.html page. Perhaps we should have a separate section for files that are OK as dependencies and as included parts of binaries but that shouldn't be kept in svn.

> CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts
> -----------------------
>
>                 Key: LEGAL-36
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36
>             Project: Legal Discuss
>          Issue Type: Question
>            Reporter: Jukka Zitting
>
> The incubating Apache PDFBox project embeds CMap files (character code mappings) for CJK (Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) fonts in PDF documents.  The files are available from http://www.adobe.com/devnet/font/#pcfi and come with license headers like this:
>     Copyright 1990-2001 Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     All Rights Reserved.
>     Patents Pending
>     NOTICE: All information contained herein is the property
>     of Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     Permission is granted for redistribution of this file
>     provided this copyright notice is maintained intact and
>     that the contents of this file are not altered in any
>     way from its original form.
>     PostScript and Display PostScript are trademarks of
>     Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in
>     certain jurisdictions.
> The license grants rights to redistribute the files, but does not allow any modifications. Is it OK for Apache PDFBox to redistribute these files unmodified?
> Having these files included in PDFBox is highly convenient as they allow PDFBox to work OOTB with PDF documents that contain CJK fonts. Also, I can't think of cases where a user would want to modify the CMap files.

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[jira] Commented: (LEGAL-36) CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts

Posted by "Robert Burrell Donkin (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
    [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12744150#action_12744150 ] 

Robert Burrell Donkin commented on LEGAL-36:
--------------------------------------------

i'm +1 for the latest patch

- robert

> CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts
> -----------------------
>
>                 Key: LEGAL-36
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36
>             Project: Legal Discuss
>          Issue Type: Question
>            Reporter: Jukka Zitting
>         Attachments: LEGAL-36.patch, LEGAL-36.patch
>
>
> The incubating Apache PDFBox project embeds CMap files (character code mappings) for CJK (Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) fonts in PDF documents.  The files are available from http://www.adobe.com/devnet/font/#pcfi and come with license headers like this:
>     Copyright 1990-2001 Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     All Rights Reserved.
>     Patents Pending
>     NOTICE: All information contained herein is the property
>     of Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     Permission is granted for redistribution of this file
>     provided this copyright notice is maintained intact and
>     that the contents of this file are not altered in any
>     way from its original form.
>     PostScript and Display PostScript are trademarks of
>     Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in
>     certain jurisdictions.
> The license grants rights to redistribute the files, but does not allow any modifications. Is it OK for Apache PDFBox to redistribute these files unmodified?
> Having these files included in PDFBox is highly convenient as they allow PDFBox to work OOTB with PDF documents that contain CJK fonts. Also, I can't think of cases where a user would want to modify the CMap files.

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[jira] Commented: (LEGAL-36) CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts

Posted by "Jukka Zitting (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
    [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12633014#action_12633014 ] 

Jukka Zitting commented on LEGAL-36:
------------------------------------

It's not clear to me how well this satisfies the Open Source Definition. It seems to contradict with the OSD point 3. Derived Works, but then the point 4. Integrity of The Author's Source Code explicitly allows a license to prevent the modification of the original source files.

> CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts
> -----------------------
>
>                 Key: LEGAL-36
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36
>             Project: Legal Discuss
>          Issue Type: Question
>            Reporter: Jukka Zitting
>
> The incubating Apache PDFBox project embeds CMap files (character code mappings) for CJK (Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) fonts in PDF documents.  The files are available from http://www.adobe.com/devnet/font/#pcfi and come with license headers like this:
>     Copyright 1990-2001 Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     All Rights Reserved.
>     Patents Pending
>     NOTICE: All information contained herein is the property
>     of Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     Permission is granted for redistribution of this file
>     provided this copyright notice is maintained intact and
>     that the contents of this file are not altered in any
>     way from its original form.
>     PostScript and Display PostScript are trademarks of
>     Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in
>     certain jurisdictions.
> The license grants rights to redistribute the files, but does not allow any modifications. Is it OK for Apache PDFBox to redistribute these files unmodified?
> Having these files included in PDFBox is highly convenient as they allow PDFBox to work OOTB with PDF documents that contain CJK fonts. Also, I can't think of cases where a user would want to modify the CMap files.

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[jira] Commented: (LEGAL-36) CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts

Posted by "Jukka Zitting (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
    [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12651439#action_12651439 ] 

Jukka Zitting commented on LEGAL-36:
------------------------------------

See related discussion at [1]. The consensus seems to be that the license itself is acceptable, but that we should clarify what the "Patents Pending" note refers to. To find out more I have contacted [2] the "PDF Language and Specifications" forum hosted by Adobe.

[1] http://markmail.org/message/itzg3ppfw2phbttm
[2] http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.59b72109

> CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts
> -----------------------
>
>                 Key: LEGAL-36
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36
>             Project: Legal Discuss
>          Issue Type: Question
>            Reporter: Jukka Zitting
>
> The incubating Apache PDFBox project embeds CMap files (character code mappings) for CJK (Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) fonts in PDF documents.  The files are available from http://www.adobe.com/devnet/font/#pcfi and come with license headers like this:
>     Copyright 1990-2001 Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     All Rights Reserved.
>     Patents Pending
>     NOTICE: All information contained herein is the property
>     of Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     Permission is granted for redistribution of this file
>     provided this copyright notice is maintained intact and
>     that the contents of this file are not altered in any
>     way from its original form.
>     PostScript and Display PostScript are trademarks of
>     Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in
>     certain jurisdictions.
> The license grants rights to redistribute the files, but does not allow any modifications. Is it OK for Apache PDFBox to redistribute these files unmodified?
> Having these files included in PDFBox is highly convenient as they allow PDFBox to work OOTB with PDF documents that contain CJK fonts. Also, I can't think of cases where a user would want to modify the CMap files.

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Re: [jira] Commented: (LEGAL-36) CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts

Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,

Geir, are you OK with this? Any other concerns?

BR,

Jukka Zitting

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:58 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@pobox.com> wrote:
>> Does this mean you have to go to Adobe and ask?   If so, didn't we run
>> aground on a similar thing from MSFT a few years ago...
>
> To the best of my knowledge (and Adobe Legal's; their words: "We
> believe that the license we provide for patents essential to implement
> PDF 1.7 will suffice for projects implementing ISO 32000-1.") an
> explicit grant to all the Adobe patents needed by PDFBox is listed in
> [1].
>
> If it later turns out that some additional Adobe patents are needed,
> the patent pledge guarantees that we should get an acceptable license
> to those patents as well.
>
> [1] http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/support/topic_legal_notices.html

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Re: [jira] Commented: (LEGAL-36) CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts

Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:58 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@pobox.com> wrote:
> Does this mean you have to go to Adobe and ask?   If so, didn't we run
> aground on a similar thing from MSFT a few years ago...

To the best of my knowledge (and Adobe Legal's; their words: "We
believe that the license we provide for patents essential to implement
PDF 1.7 will suffice for projects implementing ISO 32000-1.") an
explicit grant to all the Adobe patents needed by PDFBox is listed in
[1].

If it later turns out that some additional Adobe patents are needed,
the patent pledge guarantees that we should get an acceptable license
to those patents as well.

[1] http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/support/topic_legal_notices.html

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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Re: [jira] Commented: (LEGAL-36) CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts

Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com>.
well...

Does this mean you have to go to Adobe and ask?   If so, didn't we run  
aground on a similar thing from MSFT a few years ago...

geir

On Dec 7, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Jukka Zitting (JIRA) wrote:

>
>    [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12654263 
> #action_12654263 ]
>
> Jukka Zitting commented on LEGAL-36:
> ------------------------------------
>
> I contacted Adobe legal directly about this and they pointed me to  
> the patent pledge Adobe has made to ISO for the ISO 32000-1 standard  
> (PDF 1.7). Their words: "Adobe has provided a patent pledge to ISO  
> which states that Adobe will grant a fee and royalty free license to  
> an unrestricted number of applicants on a worldwide, non- 
> discriminatory basis and under other reasonable terms and conditions  
> to make, use, and sell implementations of PDF 1.7 (ISO 32000-1)."
>
> AFAIUI this patent pledge covers everything we need. Unless anyone  
> objects I will consider this issue resolved.
>
>
>
>> CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts
>> -----------------------
>>
>>                Key: LEGAL-36
>>                URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36
>>            Project: Legal Discuss
>>         Issue Type: Question
>>           Reporter: Jukka Zitting
>>
>> The incubating Apache PDFBox project embeds CMap files (character  
>> code mappings) for CJK (Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) fonts in PDF  
>> documents.  The files are available from http://www.adobe.com/devnet/font/#pcfi 
>>  and come with license headers like this:
>>    Copyright 1990-2001 Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>>    All Rights Reserved.
>>    Patents Pending
>>    NOTICE: All information contained herein is the property
>>    of Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>>    Permission is granted for redistribution of this file
>>    provided this copyright notice is maintained intact and
>>    that the contents of this file are not altered in any
>>    way from its original form.
>>    PostScript and Display PostScript are trademarks of
>>    Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in
>>    certain jurisdictions.
>> The license grants rights to redistribute the files, but does not  
>> allow any modifications. Is it OK for Apache PDFBox to redistribute  
>> these files unmodified?
>> Having these files included in PDFBox is highly convenient as they  
>> allow PDFBox to work OOTB with PDF documents that contain CJK  
>> fonts. Also, I can't think of cases where a user would want to  
>> modify the CMap files.
>
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[jira] Commented: (LEGAL-36) CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts

Posted by "Jukka Zitting (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
    [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12654263#action_12654263 ] 

Jukka Zitting commented on LEGAL-36:
------------------------------------

I contacted Adobe legal directly about this and they pointed me to the patent pledge Adobe has made to ISO for the ISO 32000-1 standard (PDF 1.7). Their words: "Adobe has provided a patent pledge to ISO which states that Adobe will grant a fee and royalty free license to an unrestricted number of applicants on a worldwide, non-discriminatory basis and under other reasonable terms and conditions to make, use, and sell implementations of PDF 1.7 (ISO 32000-1)."

AFAIUI this patent pledge covers everything we need. Unless anyone objects I will consider this issue resolved.



> CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts
> -----------------------
>
>                 Key: LEGAL-36
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36
>             Project: Legal Discuss
>          Issue Type: Question
>            Reporter: Jukka Zitting
>
> The incubating Apache PDFBox project embeds CMap files (character code mappings) for CJK (Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) fonts in PDF documents.  The files are available from http://www.adobe.com/devnet/font/#pcfi and come with license headers like this:
>     Copyright 1990-2001 Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     All Rights Reserved.
>     Patents Pending
>     NOTICE: All information contained herein is the property
>     of Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     Permission is granted for redistribution of this file
>     provided this copyright notice is maintained intact and
>     that the contents of this file are not altered in any
>     way from its original form.
>     PostScript and Display PostScript are trademarks of
>     Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in
>     certain jurisdictions.
> The license grants rights to redistribute the files, but does not allow any modifications. Is it OK for Apache PDFBox to redistribute these files unmodified?
> Having these files included in PDFBox is highly convenient as they allow PDFBox to work OOTB with PDF documents that contain CJK fonts. Also, I can't think of cases where a user would want to modify the CMap files.

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[jira] Updated: (LEGAL-36) CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts

Posted by "Jukka Zitting (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
     [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]

Jukka Zitting updated LEGAL-36:
-------------------------------

    Attachment: LEGAL-36.patch

Attached an updated patch, with modified wording: "It is however acceptable for a build process to automatically download such *non-software materials like fonts and standardized data* and include them in the resulting binaries."

LEGAL-50 has a for standard API libraries that might fall within the same category, but lets deal with that there.

> CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts
> -----------------------
>
>                 Key: LEGAL-36
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36
>             Project: Legal Discuss
>          Issue Type: Question
>            Reporter: Jukka Zitting
>         Attachments: LEGAL-36.patch, LEGAL-36.patch
>
>
> The incubating Apache PDFBox project embeds CMap files (character code mappings) for CJK (Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) fonts in PDF documents.  The files are available from http://www.adobe.com/devnet/font/#pcfi and come with license headers like this:
>     Copyright 1990-2001 Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     All Rights Reserved.
>     Patents Pending
>     NOTICE: All information contained herein is the property
>     of Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     Permission is granted for redistribution of this file
>     provided this copyright notice is maintained intact and
>     that the contents of this file are not altered in any
>     way from its original form.
>     PostScript and Display PostScript are trademarks of
>     Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in
>     certain jurisdictions.
> The license grants rights to redistribute the files, but does not allow any modifications. Is it OK for Apache PDFBox to redistribute these files unmodified?
> Having these files included in PDFBox is highly convenient as they allow PDFBox to work OOTB with PDF documents that contain CJK fonts. Also, I can't think of cases where a user would want to modify the CMap files.

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[jira] Commented: (LEGAL-36) CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts

Posted by "Jukka Zitting (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Jukka Zitting commented on LEGAL-36:
------------------------------------

Geir commented on this [1] but I believe my answer [2] satisfied his concerns.

Recent discussion on legal-discuss@ seems to suggest that it would be better not to have these kinds of non-modifiable resources in svn, but that downloading them from for example the Maven repository during the build and including them in a binary release artifact would be OK.

[1] http://markmail.org/message/iyfqnj5hsdd55zyr
[2] http://markmail.org/message/imzu5sdat5dcfvcj



> CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts
> -----------------------
>
>                 Key: LEGAL-36
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36
>             Project: Legal Discuss
>          Issue Type: Question
>            Reporter: Jukka Zitting
>
> The incubating Apache PDFBox project embeds CMap files (character code mappings) for CJK (Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) fonts in PDF documents.  The files are available from http://www.adobe.com/devnet/font/#pcfi and come with license headers like this:
>     Copyright 1990-2001 Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     All Rights Reserved.
>     Patents Pending
>     NOTICE: All information contained herein is the property
>     of Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     Permission is granted for redistribution of this file
>     provided this copyright notice is maintained intact and
>     that the contents of this file are not altered in any
>     way from its original form.
>     PostScript and Display PostScript are trademarks of
>     Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in
>     certain jurisdictions.
> The license grants rights to redistribute the files, but does not allow any modifications. Is it OK for Apache PDFBox to redistribute these files unmodified?
> Having these files included in PDFBox is highly convenient as they allow PDFBox to work OOTB with PDF documents that contain CJK fonts. Also, I can't think of cases where a user would want to modify the CMap files.

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[jira] Commented: (LEGAL-36) CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts

Posted by "Henri Yandell (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
    [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12732384#action_12732384 ] 

Henri Yandell commented on LEGAL-36:
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Feels a bit broad. I'm happy with it for images, fonts etc where I've less feeling that modification rights are needed; but I'm less convinced that a code library that said free to distribute but do not modify should be in an Apache project.

> CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts
> -----------------------
>
>                 Key: LEGAL-36
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36
>             Project: Legal Discuss
>          Issue Type: Question
>            Reporter: Jukka Zitting
>         Attachments: LEGAL-36.patch
>
>
> The incubating Apache PDFBox project embeds CMap files (character code mappings) for CJK (Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) fonts in PDF documents.  The files are available from http://www.adobe.com/devnet/font/#pcfi and come with license headers like this:
>     Copyright 1990-2001 Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     All Rights Reserved.
>     Patents Pending
>     NOTICE: All information contained herein is the property
>     of Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     Permission is granted for redistribution of this file
>     provided this copyright notice is maintained intact and
>     that the contents of this file are not altered in any
>     way from its original form.
>     PostScript and Display PostScript are trademarks of
>     Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in
>     certain jurisdictions.
> The license grants rights to redistribute the files, but does not allow any modifications. Is it OK for Apache PDFBox to redistribute these files unmodified?
> Having these files included in PDFBox is highly convenient as they allow PDFBox to work OOTB with PDF documents that contain CJK fonts. Also, I can't think of cases where a user would want to modify the CMap files.

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[jira] Commented: (LEGAL-36) CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts

Posted by "Jukka Zitting (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
    [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12719239#action_12719239 ] 

Jukka Zitting commented on LEGAL-36:
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For the record, I've created a Maven bundle containing these CMaps and the font metrics discussed in LEGAL-35 and asked for that bundle to be uploaded to the central Maven repository. This way our projects can easily use these files without having them in Apache svn. See http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MAVENUPLOAD-2485 for the upload request.

> CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts
> -----------------------
>
>                 Key: LEGAL-36
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36
>             Project: Legal Discuss
>          Issue Type: Question
>            Reporter: Jukka Zitting
>
> The incubating Apache PDFBox project embeds CMap files (character code mappings) for CJK (Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) fonts in PDF documents.  The files are available from http://www.adobe.com/devnet/font/#pcfi and come with license headers like this:
>     Copyright 1990-2001 Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     All Rights Reserved.
>     Patents Pending
>     NOTICE: All information contained herein is the property
>     of Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     Permission is granted for redistribution of this file
>     provided this copyright notice is maintained intact and
>     that the contents of this file are not altered in any
>     way from its original form.
>     PostScript and Display PostScript are trademarks of
>     Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in
>     certain jurisdictions.
> The license grants rights to redistribute the files, but does not allow any modifications. Is it OK for Apache PDFBox to redistribute these files unmodified?
> Having these files included in PDFBox is highly convenient as they allow PDFBox to work OOTB with PDF documents that contain CJK fonts. Also, I can't think of cases where a user would want to modify the CMap files.

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[jira] Commented: (LEGAL-36) CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts

Posted by "Jukka Zitting (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
    [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12738973#action_12738973 ] 

Jukka Zitting commented on LEGAL-36:
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Any more comments on this? I'd like to get this closed so we can proceed with the first Apache release of PDFBox.

Will it be OK for me to commit the patch based on this discussion or should I rather let a member of the legal committee do it?

> CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts
> -----------------------
>
>                 Key: LEGAL-36
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36
>             Project: Legal Discuss
>          Issue Type: Question
>            Reporter: Jukka Zitting
>         Attachments: LEGAL-36.patch, LEGAL-36.patch
>
>
> The incubating Apache PDFBox project embeds CMap files (character code mappings) for CJK (Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) fonts in PDF documents.  The files are available from http://www.adobe.com/devnet/font/#pcfi and come with license headers like this:
>     Copyright 1990-2001 Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     All Rights Reserved.
>     Patents Pending
>     NOTICE: All information contained herein is the property
>     of Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     Permission is granted for redistribution of this file
>     provided this copyright notice is maintained intact and
>     that the contents of this file are not altered in any
>     way from its original form.
>     PostScript and Display PostScript are trademarks of
>     Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in
>     certain jurisdictions.
> The license grants rights to redistribute the files, but does not allow any modifications. Is it OK for Apache PDFBox to redistribute these files unmodified?
> Having these files included in PDFBox is highly convenient as they allow PDFBox to work OOTB with PDF documents that contain CJK fonts. Also, I can't think of cases where a user would want to modify the CMap files.

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[jira] Commented: (LEGAL-36) CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts

Posted by "Jukka Zitting (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
    [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12741252#action_12741252 ] 

Jukka Zitting commented on LEGAL-36:
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Note that PDFBox also uses some additional Adobe CMap files from ftp://ftp.oreilly.com/pub/examples/nutshell/cjkv/adobe/. These files are released by Adobe under the same license terms as the ones on their devnet page, so I think the already proposed resolved.html patch covers also these files.

> CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts
> -----------------------
>
>                 Key: LEGAL-36
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36
>             Project: Legal Discuss
>          Issue Type: Question
>            Reporter: Jukka Zitting
>         Attachments: LEGAL-36.patch, LEGAL-36.patch
>
>
> The incubating Apache PDFBox project embeds CMap files (character code mappings) for CJK (Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) fonts in PDF documents.  The files are available from http://www.adobe.com/devnet/font/#pcfi and come with license headers like this:
>     Copyright 1990-2001 Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     All Rights Reserved.
>     Patents Pending
>     NOTICE: All information contained herein is the property
>     of Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     Permission is granted for redistribution of this file
>     provided this copyright notice is maintained intact and
>     that the contents of this file are not altered in any
>     way from its original form.
>     PostScript and Display PostScript are trademarks of
>     Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in
>     certain jurisdictions.
> The license grants rights to redistribute the files, but does not allow any modifications. Is it OK for Apache PDFBox to redistribute these files unmodified?
> Having these files included in PDFBox is highly convenient as they allow PDFBox to work OOTB with PDF documents that contain CJK fonts. Also, I can't think of cases where a user would want to modify the CMap files.

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[jira] Resolved: (LEGAL-36) CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts

Posted by "Jukka Zitting (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
     [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]

Jukka Zitting resolved LEGAL-36.
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    Resolution: Fixed
      Assignee: Jukka Zitting

Patch applied in revision 806965. Thanks everyone for the reviews!

> CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts
> -----------------------
>
>                 Key: LEGAL-36
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36
>             Project: Legal Discuss
>          Issue Type: Question
>            Reporter: Jukka Zitting
>            Assignee: Jukka Zitting
>         Attachments: LEGAL-36.patch, LEGAL-36.patch
>
>
> The incubating Apache PDFBox project embeds CMap files (character code mappings) for CJK (Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) fonts in PDF documents.  The files are available from http://www.adobe.com/devnet/font/#pcfi and come with license headers like this:
>     Copyright 1990-2001 Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     All Rights Reserved.
>     Patents Pending
>     NOTICE: All information contained herein is the property
>     of Adobe Systems Incorporated.
>     Permission is granted for redistribution of this file
>     provided this copyright notice is maintained intact and
>     that the contents of this file are not altered in any
>     way from its original form.
>     PostScript and Display PostScript are trademarks of
>     Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in
>     certain jurisdictions.
> The license grants rights to redistribute the files, but does not allow any modifications. Is it OK for Apache PDFBox to redistribute these files unmodified?
> Having these files included in PDFBox is highly convenient as they allow PDFBox to work OOTB with PDF documents that contain CJK fonts. Also, I can't think of cases where a user would want to modify the CMap files.

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