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Posted to dev@shiro.apache.org by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com> on 2009/01/04 21:56:22 UTC
IntelliJ project files
Can we remove these?
Regards,
Alan
Re: IntelliJ project files
Posted by Joshua Partogi <jo...@gmail.com>.
Actually if we use maven, we can be loosely coupled from a specific
IDE as maven projects can be imported from both eclipse and intellij.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> Should we then remove the Eclipse project files too - in case people
> don't use Eclipse?
>
>
> On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:33:20 +0100, "Emmanuel Lecharny"
> <el...@gmail.com> said:
>> Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>> > Yeah, I know that can be done. The files are customized for the way
>> > that a few people work and do not work out of the box.
>> if you put it into svn:ignore, then it should be removed from SVN, Alan
>> is right.
>>
>> In any case, specific IDE file should not be found in SVN, as all the
>> project members don't use IntelliJ IDE.
--
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Re: IntelliJ project files
Posted by Emmanuel Lecharny <el...@gmail.com>.
Jeremy Haile wrote:
> Should we then remove the Eclipse project files too - in case people
> don't use Eclipse?
>
Absolutely. And also add their name to svn:ignore.
>
> On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:33:20 +0100, "Emmanuel Lecharny"
> <el...@gmail.com> said:
>
>> Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I know that can be done. The files are customized for the way
>>> that a few people work and do not work out of the box.
>>>
>> if you put it into svn:ignore, then it should be removed from SVN, Alan
>> is right.
>>
>> In any case, specific IDE file should not be found in SVN, as all the
>> project members don't use IntelliJ IDE.
>>
>> --
>> --
>> cordialement, regards,
>> Emmanuel Lécharny
>> www.iktek.com
>> directory.apache.org
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
--
cordialement, regards,
Emmanuel Lécharny
www.iktek.com
directory.apache.org
Re: IntelliJ project files
Posted by Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm>.
Should we then remove the Eclipse project files too - in case people
don't use Eclipse?
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:33:20 +0100, "Emmanuel Lecharny"
<el...@gmail.com> said:
> Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
> > Yeah, I know that can be done. The files are customized for the way
> > that a few people work and do not work out of the box.
> if you put it into svn:ignore, then it should be removed from SVN, Alan
> is right.
>
> In any case, specific IDE file should not be found in SVN, as all the
> project members don't use IntelliJ IDE.
>
> --
> --
> cordialement, regards,
> Emmanuel Lécharny
> www.iktek.com
> directory.apache.org
>
>
Re: IntelliJ project files
Posted by Emmanuel Lecharny <el...@gmail.com>.
Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
> Yeah, I know that can be done. The files are customized for the way
> that a few people work and do not work out of the box.
if you put it into svn:ignore, then it should be removed from SVN, Alan
is right.
In any case, specific IDE file should not be found in SVN, as all the
project members don't use IntelliJ IDE.
--
--
cordialement, regards,
Emmanuel Lécharny
www.iktek.com
directory.apache.org
Re: IntelliJ project files
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
Just some random thoughts.
If the IDE project files are the same for most or all developers,
there's no reason not to include them in svn to ease a new developer
into the system. But this assumes that the project files are
relatively static.
But if project files are different for different styles of
development, they shouldn't be automatically included in svn.
An alternative might be to include the files under a different name
with instructions on how a developer can choose to activate them. Or
put the content of the files into the wiki or web page.
Craig
On Jan 5, 2009, at 8:35 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>
> On Jan 5, 2009, at 3:38 AM, Jeremy Haile wrote:
>
>> I'd be happy to work on improving the project files so that they work
>> out of the box. Could you be more specific as to what problems
>> you've
>> encountered?
>
> Not all the dependencies are set and so IntelliJ doesn't find them.
> But I think that we're getting sidetracked from the real issue and
> that is IntelliJ project setup is a very personal thing.
>
>> Having the project files in SVN is very convenient since changes to
>> the
>> project are automatically updated for everyone. There are multiple
>> committers who use IntelliJ and find these files convenient.
>
> Convenient if everyone sets up their dev environment the same way,
> which we don't. Things like code style sheets can easily be set up
> and made available in the developer's notes on our site.
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>
>> On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:40:43 -0800, "Alan D. Cabrera"
>> <li...@toolazydogs.com> said:
>>> Yeah, I know that can be done. The files are customized for the
>>> way
>>> that a few people work and do not work out of the box.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 9:23 PM, Joshua Partogi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why don't you just put it in ignore list with SVN?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Alan D. Cabrera
>>>> <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>>>>> Because I don't organize my Intellij project files the same way
>>>>> that you
>>>>> guys do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why can't I remove them?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 8:32 PM, Jeremy Haile wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No. Why would we remove them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 3:56 PM, "Alan D. Cabrera" <list@toolazydogs.com
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can we remove these?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Not by might nor by power, but by His Spirit.
>>>>
>>>> Read my blog: http://joshuajava.wordpress.com/
>>>> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/jpartogi
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Craig L Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://db.apache.org/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
Re: IntelliJ project files
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
On Jan 5, 2009, at 3:38 AM, Jeremy Haile wrote:
> I'd be happy to work on improving the project files so that they work
> out of the box. Could you be more specific as to what problems you've
> encountered?
Not all the dependencies are set and so IntelliJ doesn't find them.
But I think that we're getting sidetracked from the real issue and
that is IntelliJ project setup is a very personal thing.
> Having the project files in SVN is very convenient since changes to
> the
> project are automatically updated for everyone. There are multiple
> committers who use IntelliJ and find these files convenient.
Convenient if everyone sets up their dev environment the same way,
which we don't. Things like code style sheets can easily be set up
and made available in the developer's notes on our site.
Regards,
Alan
> On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:40:43 -0800, "Alan D. Cabrera"
> <li...@toolazydogs.com> said:
>> Yeah, I know that can be done. The files are customized for the way
>> that a few people work and do not work out of the box.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 9:23 PM, Joshua Partogi wrote:
>>
>>> Why don't you just put it in ignore list with SVN?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Alan D. Cabrera
>>> <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>>>> Because I don't organize my Intellij project files the same way
>>>> that you
>>>> guys do.
>>>>
>>>> Why can't I remove them?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 8:32 PM, Jeremy Haile wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No. Why would we remove them?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 3:56 PM, "Alan D. Cabrera" <list@toolazydogs.com
>>>>> >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can we remove these?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Not by might nor by power, but by His Spirit.
>>>
>>> Read my blog: http://joshuajava.wordpress.com/
>>> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/jpartogi
>>>
>>
>
Re: IntelliJ project files
Posted by Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm>.
On Jan 5, 2009, at 7:20 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:
> It's way better to let the build tool generate those files. It keeps
> the project consistent, as you don't commit anything relevant to
> your own env.
Actually, IDEA uses a project and module file (.ipr and .iml) to store
"shared" project settings and maintains environment-specific settings
in a workspace file (.iws).
The shared project settings can contain things like standard file
templates used by the project, static analysis settings, code style
settings, etc. which can help ensure code consistency and best
practices. Are there other ways to handle this? Maybe. However, the
project files have been in use for a long time with no problems and
I'm reluctant to simply remove them.
If a developer really wants to setup their environment in a specific
way, they can easily create a custom IDEA project with their own
settings. The current IDEA files have been and are still working
great for many of the active committers to JSecurity - if there are
any problems or errors in these files, please let us know so we can
work to resolve any issues.
Re: IntelliJ project files
Posted by Alex Karasulu <ak...@gmail.com>.
If one of the primary aims are to gain more committers, then making it
comfortable for those that are already committed should be an ancilary
worry. Keeping the source tree as neutral as possible (regarding certain
preferences like the IDE or it's project settings) presents the least
resistance to the majority of perspective committers you'll encounter. You
can probably prove this mathematically via theorem. By reducing the average
energy the majority will need to expend to grok this stuff and finally get
to a point to contribute, the more new committers you will gain overall. The
more preferential content you inject into your code, into your system of
organization, the more energy it takes someone to get to understand it. Give
em a break, and make it dirt simple without any bias. Alan is probably
affraid some setting in the IntelliJ files will cause an issue on his
machine, his OS, or his particular configuration. Shit breaks all the time
man :-). It breaks more for newbies. This stuff get's complex real quick
when something goes wrong and when people are trying to do things fast a
small bump can derail them.
BTW I don't see disregarding advice as disrespect at all. Please don't ever
feel that you have to follow my advice. The respect is not the primary
objective of this process; it's just a great by product that flows both
ways. I'm here because I'm interested in what you guys are doing and wanted
to be a part of it in some capacity. Hopefully, I can find more time
rubbing elbows while tackling significant problems with y'all. Right now I
thought the best I can do is grease your path to success by avoiding
pitfalls, but even that I do poorly.
Alex
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> I definitely respect the mentors' opinions and want to learn from their
> experience in the open-source community. None of my questions or challenges
> to their ideas should be taken as disrespect.
>
> The current IDE project files are in active use by multiple core committers
> to this project, who find them very useful. I've heard no reports of them
> causing any real trouble for anyone else, and even if they were - it's not
> hard to setup a separate IDEA project if you want to have one customized to
> your liking. I don't understand why it's surprising that an email stating
> only "Can we remove these?" with no further explanation would not be
> questioned or challenged in some way. This doesn't indicate a lack of
> respect for Alan - I certainly respect him and value the time and experience
> he is devoting to this project! That doesn't mean I will always agree,
> right or wrong...
>
> I do agree that this is a small issue, much like the build system issue.
> In my humble opinion, neither of these are causing any real issues to the
> project at the moment. I do think JSecurity has lots of big issues - how to
> attract more users (for example, better integration with other projects,
> etc), how to improve our website, how to improve our documentation, what are
> the next "killer features" that need to be added to spur more support and
> adoption, etc. I would love to be brainstorming with you guys and getting
> your ideas and advice on these issues.
>
> The IDE project files are providing a real benefit to the current
> committers of this project, and causing very little (if any) harm. If this
> changes in the future, it's a really simple task to remove them from SVN.
> For now, I wish we could focus our time and effort on discussing the bigger
> challenges facing JSecurity.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> On Jan 5, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote:
>
> This is not a big issue but if you don't see the kinds of collisions IDE
>> specific files in SVN cause in collaborative environments, then experience
>> will eventually show you over time. I won't enumerate over how many people
>> told me the same or how many painful experiences taught us this lesson.
>> All
>> in all, it's no big deal and these things will sort themselves out. If
>> you
>> feel you need to keep the files then go ahead.
>>
>> More importantly though, these kinds of threads are distracting. This is
>> a
>> simple suggestion by those who have learned these conventions after years
>> of
>> working in this community. You don't have to apply a mentor's advice if
>> you
>> don't want to and eventually incubation rules will be applied to sort out
>> what really matters to the ASF. Although I have not been able to give you
>> guys the kind of time I've wanted to, I was hoping to be here to help
>> during
>> these growing pains. I guess this last thread was a signal for me to kick
>> in. To do this right, you guys need to trust and be open to the
>> suggestions
>> made. Mentors are not gods nor are they tyrants. They've just had more
>> experience in this community and can provide some guidance. That does not
>> make them better or more savvy. There's no golden mentor badge of honor
>> :-). This project needs to incubate no matter what so why not get the
>> most
>> out of it. If everything we have to deal with together is met with
>> difficulty then ask yourself why you're here!
>>
>> Let's together refuse to tolerate discord and gain as much as we can. All
>> I
>> can recommend at this point is for those new to the ASF to be a bit more
>> open and trusting. To the mentors I recommend we have a little more
>> patience and let these guys educate themselves from their own experiences.
>> It's important for us to make suggestions and equally if not more
>> important
>> we must understand and accept that some advice will be disregarded. When
>> advice is solicited we can give it gratis. On the flip side, if
>> everything
>> is a struggle and all advice is dismissed then what's there to mentor. In
>> the end you just have to ask yourself why you bother to be here! (Note:
>> same
>> advice as above paragraph)
>>
>> I've had great personal and group experiences here at the ASF where I have
>> mentored and been mentored. These have usually been ones where there has
>> been mutual respect and the bonds formed have lasted for a lifetime. I
>> remember one of my mentors, Noel, who is now the IPMC chair. He would
>> give
>> advice and stand back for us to make our own choices. Eventually we always
>> wound up following his wise advice and gained a lot of respect for him
>> through his patience. However we also did pay for having to learn lessons
>> on
>> our own with more time in the incubator :-(. It's all about tradeoffs
>> without absolutes.
>>
>> I apologize in advance if this email touches nerves. Just being sincere
>> without any objective but to reduce the unnecessary discord.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alex
>>
>
>
Re: IntelliJ project files
Posted by Brad Whitaker <br...@agilemark.com>.
I'm just a user of JSecurity but I've used the IntelliJ files to look at
the JSecurity source. The presence of the files in SVN is useful to me.
Brad
Re: IntelliJ project files
Posted by Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm>.
I definitely respect the mentors' opinions and want to learn from
their experience in the open-source community. None of my questions
or challenges to their ideas should be taken as disrespect.
The current IDE project files are in active use by multiple core
committers to this project, who find them very useful. I've heard no
reports of them causing any real trouble for anyone else, and even if
they were - it's not hard to setup a separate IDEA project if you want
to have one customized to your liking. I don't understand why it's
surprising that an email stating only "Can we remove these?" with no
further explanation would not be questioned or challenged in some
way. This doesn't indicate a lack of respect for Alan - I certainly
respect him and value the time and experience he is devoting to this
project! That doesn't mean I will always agree, right or wrong...
I do agree that this is a small issue, much like the build system
issue. In my humble opinion, neither of these are causing any real
issues to the project at the moment. I do think JSecurity has lots of
big issues - how to attract more users (for example, better
integration with other projects, etc), how to improve our website, how
to improve our documentation, what are the next "killer features" that
need to be added to spur more support and adoption, etc. I would love
to be brainstorming with you guys and getting your ideas and advice on
these issues.
The IDE project files are providing a real benefit to the current
committers of this project, and causing very little (if any) harm. If
this changes in the future, it's a really simple task to remove them
from SVN. For now, I wish we could focus our time and effort on
discussing the bigger challenges facing JSecurity.
Jeremy
On Jan 5, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote:
> This is not a big issue but if you don't see the kinds of collisions
> IDE
> specific files in SVN cause in collaborative environments, then
> experience
> will eventually show you over time. I won't enumerate over how many
> people
> told me the same or how many painful experiences taught us this
> lesson. All
> in all, it's no big deal and these things will sort themselves out.
> If you
> feel you need to keep the files then go ahead.
>
> More importantly though, these kinds of threads are distracting.
> This is a
> simple suggestion by those who have learned these conventions after
> years of
> working in this community. You don't have to apply a mentor's
> advice if you
> don't want to and eventually incubation rules will be applied to
> sort out
> what really matters to the ASF. Although I have not been able to
> give you
> guys the kind of time I've wanted to, I was hoping to be here to
> help during
> these growing pains. I guess this last thread was a signal for me
> to kick
> in. To do this right, you guys need to trust and be open to the
> suggestions
> made. Mentors are not gods nor are they tyrants. They've just had
> more
> experience in this community and can provide some guidance. That
> does not
> make them better or more savvy. There's no golden mentor badge of
> honor
> :-). This project needs to incubate no matter what so why not get
> the most
> out of it. If everything we have to deal with together is met with
> difficulty then ask yourself why you're here!
>
> Let's together refuse to tolerate discord and gain as much as we
> can. All I
> can recommend at this point is for those new to the ASF to be a bit
> more
> open and trusting. To the mentors I recommend we have a little more
> patience and let these guys educate themselves from their own
> experiences.
> It's important for us to make suggestions and equally if not more
> important
> we must understand and accept that some advice will be disregarded.
> When
> advice is solicited we can give it gratis. On the flip side, if
> everything
> is a struggle and all advice is dismissed then what's there to
> mentor. In
> the end you just have to ask yourself why you bother to be here!
> (Note: same
> advice as above paragraph)
>
> I've had great personal and group experiences here at the ASF where
> I have
> mentored and been mentored. These have usually been ones where there
> has
> been mutual respect and the bonds formed have lasted for a lifetime. I
> remember one of my mentors, Noel, who is now the IPMC chair. He
> would give
> advice and stand back for us to make our own choices. Eventually we
> always
> wound up following his wise advice and gained a lot of respect for him
> through his patience. However we also did pay for having to learn
> lessons on
> our own with more time in the incubator :-(. It's all about tradeoffs
> without absolutes.
>
> I apologize in advance if this email touches nerves. Just being
> sincere
> without any objective but to reduce the unnecessary discord.
>
> Regards,
> Alex
Re: IntelliJ project files
Posted by Alex Karasulu <ak...@gmail.com>.
This is not a big issue but if you don't see the kinds of collisions IDE
specific files in SVN cause in collaborative environments, then experience
will eventually show you over time. I won't enumerate over how many people
told me the same or how many painful experiences taught us this lesson. All
in all, it's no big deal and these things will sort themselves out. If you
feel you need to keep the files then go ahead.
More importantly though, these kinds of threads are distracting. This is a
simple suggestion by those who have learned these conventions after years of
working in this community. You don't have to apply a mentor's advice if you
don't want to and eventually incubation rules will be applied to sort out
what really matters to the ASF. Although I have not been able to give you
guys the kind of time I've wanted to, I was hoping to be here to help during
these growing pains. I guess this last thread was a signal for me to kick
in. To do this right, you guys need to trust and be open to the suggestions
made. Mentors are not gods nor are they tyrants. They've just had more
experience in this community and can provide some guidance. That does not
make them better or more savvy. There's no golden mentor badge of honor
:-). This project needs to incubate no matter what so why not get the most
out of it. If everything we have to deal with together is met with
difficulty then ask yourself why you're here!
Let's together refuse to tolerate discord and gain as much as we can. All I
can recommend at this point is for those new to the ASF to be a bit more
open and trusting. To the mentors I recommend we have a little more
patience and let these guys educate themselves from their own experiences.
It's important for us to make suggestions and equally if not more important
we must understand and accept that some advice will be disregarded. When
advice is solicited we can give it gratis. On the flip side, if everything
is a struggle and all advice is dismissed then what's there to mentor. In
the end you just have to ask yourself why you bother to be here! (Note: same
advice as above paragraph)
I've had great personal and group experiences here at the ASF where I have
mentored and been mentored. These have usually been ones where there has
been mutual respect and the bonds formed have lasted for a lifetime. I
remember one of my mentors, Noel, who is now the IPMC chair. He would give
advice and stand back for us to make our own choices. Eventually we always
wound up following his wise advice and gained a lot of respect for him
through his patience. However we also did pay for having to learn lessons on
our own with more time in the incubator :-(. It's all about tradeoffs
without absolutes.
I apologize in advance if this email touches nerves. Just being sincere
without any objective but to reduce the unnecessary discord.
Regards,
Alex
Re: IntelliJ project files
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Oops - yeah, I forgot about that. Very useful stuff indeed.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> On Jan 5, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>
>> Granted, if our build auto-generated them, then I wouldn't care. But
>> currently it doesn't, so I do :)
>>
>
> Even if it auto-generated them, it wouldn't auto-generate the items I
> mentioned such as file templates, static analysis settings, code style
> settings, etc. that can be useful to help ensure code consistency and best
> practices.
>
>
>
>
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny <elecharny@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> Jeremy Haile wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to work on improving the project files so that they work
>>>> out of the box. Could you be more specific as to what problems you've
>>>> encountered?
>>>>
>>>> Having the project files in SVN is very convenient since changes to the
>>>> project are automatically updated for everyone. There are multiple
>>>> committers who use IntelliJ and find these files convenient.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's way better to let the build tool generate those files. It keeps
>>> the
>>> project consistent, as you don't commit anything relevant to your own
>>> env.
>>>
>>> My own experience was that, at first, I thought too that it would be a
>>> good
>>> idea to keep those files into svn (for the very same reasons you gave),
>>> but
>>> after a few months, it proved to be a real burden, as you had to commit
>>> it
>>> every time you did a modification, or more problematic, you are tied with
>>> a
>>> set of configuration that does not fit your need. Then I realised that it
>>> was not a good idea to store those files in svn, and was way more
>>> convenient
>>> to let the build tool generate them for you.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> cordialement, regards,
>>> Emmanuel Lécharny
>>> www.iktek.com
>>> directory.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
Re: IntelliJ project files
Posted by Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm>.
On Jan 5, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
> Granted, if our build auto-generated them, then I wouldn't care. But
> currently it doesn't, so I do :)
Even if it auto-generated them, it wouldn't auto-generate the items I
mentioned such as file templates, static analysis settings, code style
settings, etc. that can be useful to help ensure code consistency and
best practices.
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny
> <el...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Jeremy Haile wrote:
>>
>>> I'd be happy to work on improving the project files so that they
>>> work
>>> out of the box. Could you be more specific as to what problems
>>> you've
>>> encountered?
>>>
>>> Having the project files in SVN is very convenient since changes
>>> to the
>>> project are automatically updated for everyone. There are multiple
>>> committers who use IntelliJ and find these files convenient.
>>>
>>>
>> It's way better to let the build tool generate those files. It
>> keeps the
>> project consistent, as you don't commit anything relevant to your
>> own env.
>>
>> My own experience was that, at first, I thought too that it would
>> be a good
>> idea to keep those files into svn (for the very same reasons you
>> gave), but
>> after a few months, it proved to be a real burden, as you had to
>> commit it
>> every time you did a modification, or more problematic, you are
>> tied with a
>> set of configuration that does not fit your need. Then I realised
>> that it
>> was not a good idea to store those files in svn, and was way more
>> convenient
>> to let the build tool generate them for you.
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> cordialement, regards,
>> Emmanuel Lécharny
>> www.iktek.com
>> directory.apache.org
>>
>>
>>
Re: IntelliJ project files
Posted by Les Hazlewood <le...@anjinllc.com>.
I don't view this as problematic at all. It's not a 'burden' to check in
changes to this file since the IDE automatically adds them to the commit
list if they have changed.
The IDEA project files represent project-wide settings, and should be shared
among everyone who uses IDEA. The IDEA .iws (workspace file) represents
what files you are currently viewing, IDE-instance-specific things and
should NOT be checked into an SVN. That is why the IntelliJ team separated
this stuff into different files - to explicitly allow team-wide sharing of
the exact same project configuration, but let workspace-specific things be
private.
Similarly, I have no problem having project-wide Eclipse files being in the
project either. Now if it is a burden for people to manually check those
files in after a change (unlike IDEA), then feel free to remove them if you
don't want to maintain it. But I don't think it is something you must
impose on everyone.
Granted, if our build auto-generated them, then I wouldn't care. But
currently it doesn't, so I do :)
Cheers,
Les
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny <el...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Jeremy Haile wrote:
>
>> I'd be happy to work on improving the project files so that they work
>> out of the box. Could you be more specific as to what problems you've
>> encountered?
>>
>> Having the project files in SVN is very convenient since changes to the
>> project are automatically updated for everyone. There are multiple
>> committers who use IntelliJ and find these files convenient.
>>
>>
> It's way better to let the build tool generate those files. It keeps the
> project consistent, as you don't commit anything relevant to your own env.
>
> My own experience was that, at first, I thought too that it would be a good
> idea to keep those files into svn (for the very same reasons you gave), but
> after a few months, it proved to be a real burden, as you had to commit it
> every time you did a modification, or more problematic, you are tied with a
> set of configuration that does not fit your need. Then I realised that it
> was not a good idea to store those files in svn, and was way more convenient
> to let the build tool generate them for you.
>
>
> --
> --
> cordialement, regards,
> Emmanuel Lécharny
> www.iktek.com
> directory.apache.org
>
>
>
Re: IntelliJ project files
Posted by Emmanuel Lecharny <el...@gmail.com>.
Jeremy Haile wrote:
> I'd be happy to work on improving the project files so that they work
> out of the box. Could you be more specific as to what problems you've
> encountered?
>
> Having the project files in SVN is very convenient since changes to the
> project are automatically updated for everyone. There are multiple
> committers who use IntelliJ and find these files convenient.
>
It's way better to let the build tool generate those files. It keeps the
project consistent, as you don't commit anything relevant to your own env.
My own experience was that, at first, I thought too that it would be a
good idea to keep those files into svn (for the very same reasons you
gave), but after a few months, it proved to be a real burden, as you had
to commit it every time you did a modification, or more problematic, you
are tied with a set of configuration that does not fit your need. Then I
realised that it was not a good idea to store those files in svn, and
was way more convenient to let the build tool generate them for you.
--
--
cordialement, regards,
Emmanuel Lécharny
www.iktek.com
directory.apache.org
Re: IntelliJ project files
Posted by Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm>.
I'd be happy to work on improving the project files so that they work
out of the box. Could you be more specific as to what problems you've
encountered?
Having the project files in SVN is very convenient since changes to the
project are automatically updated for everyone. There are multiple
committers who use IntelliJ and find these files convenient.
On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:40:43 -0800, "Alan D. Cabrera"
<li...@toolazydogs.com> said:
> Yeah, I know that can be done. The files are customized for the way
> that a few people work and do not work out of the box.
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>
>
> On Jan 4, 2009, at 9:23 PM, Joshua Partogi wrote:
>
> > Why don't you just put it in ignore list with SVN?
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Alan D. Cabrera
> > <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
> >> Because I don't organize my Intellij project files the same way
> >> that you
> >> guys do.
> >>
> >> Why can't I remove them?
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Alan
> >>
> >> On Jan 4, 2009, at 8:32 PM, Jeremy Haile wrote:
> >>
> >>> No. Why would we remove them?
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 3:56 PM, "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Can we remove these?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Alan
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Not by might nor by power, but by His Spirit.
> >
> > Read my blog: http://joshuajava.wordpress.com/
> > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/jpartogi
> >
>
Re: IntelliJ project files
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
Yeah, I know that can be done. The files are customized for the way
that a few people work and do not work out of the box.
Regards,
Alan
On Jan 4, 2009, at 9:23 PM, Joshua Partogi wrote:
> Why don't you just put it in ignore list with SVN?
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Alan D. Cabrera
> <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>> Because I don't organize my Intellij project files the same way
>> that you
>> guys do.
>>
>> Why can't I remove them?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alan
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 8:32 PM, Jeremy Haile wrote:
>>
>>> No. Why would we remove them?
>>>
>>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 3:56 PM, "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can we remove these?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Not by might nor by power, but by His Spirit.
>
> Read my blog: http://joshuajava.wordpress.com/
> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/jpartogi
>
Re: IntelliJ project files
Posted by Joshua Partogi <jo...@gmail.com>.
Why don't you just put it in ignore list with SVN?
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
> Because I don't organize my Intellij project files the same way that you
> guys do.
>
> Why can't I remove them?
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
> On Jan 4, 2009, at 8:32 PM, Jeremy Haile wrote:
>
>> No. Why would we remove them?
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 3:56 PM, "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Can we remove these?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Alan
>>>
>>
>
>
--
Not by might nor by power, but by His Spirit.
Read my blog: http://joshuajava.wordpress.com/
Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/jpartogi
Re: IntelliJ project files
Posted by Les Hazlewood <le...@anjinllc.com>.
Interesting - I didn't see this email.
How do you organize them? I'm genuinely curious - maybe there is something I
can do that is better in my own environment.
Cheers,
Les
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:16 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com>wrote:
> Because I don't organize my Intellij project files the same way that you
> guys do.
>
> Why can't I remove them?
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>
> On Jan 4, 2009, at 8:32 PM, Jeremy Haile wrote:
>
> No. Why would we remove them?
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 3:56 PM, "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Can we remove these?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: IntelliJ project files
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
Because I don't organize my Intellij project files the same way that
you guys do.
Why can't I remove them?
Regards,
Alan
On Jan 4, 2009, at 8:32 PM, Jeremy Haile wrote:
> No. Why would we remove them?
>
> On Jan 4, 2009, at 3:56 PM, "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Can we remove these?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alan
>>
>
Re: IntelliJ project files
Posted by Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm>.
No. Why would we remove them?
On Jan 4, 2009, at 3:56 PM, "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>
wrote:
> Can we remove these?
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>