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Posted to users@openoffice.apache.org by Donald Miller <da...@hotmail.com> on 2015/10/13 17:39:47 UTC
Path settings in newer releases
By the way, could "options > paths" be made an easier setting and less easy to be reset without permission?
Present default is up to 7 folder levels deep on C, but I have all my non system files on D (for ease of backup).
I absolutely despise Bill Gates defaults, such as C:\Users\userID\Documents.
Some programs let user settings reside in a text file, which can be backed up and copied-in after updates.
Regards,
Donald A. Miller
Re: Path settings in newer releases
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 12:45:04 -0700
"Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org> wrote:
> If you have a recent version of Windows (8.1 or 10 for sure), you can move
> your user-account Documents folder to your D: Drive and the apps that
> default to it will find it where you put it, as will File Explorer, etc.
>
> Find the Documents folder in C:\Users\userID\, right click on the folder
> name and select properties. Among those you should see either a tab or an
> entry that specifies Location.
>
> You can do this with some of the other standard default folders, such as
> Music and Pictures.
>
> Very handy if you have a small C: drive (such as a SSD).
>
> The idea of having different defaults by file type is an interesting one.
> It probably flies in the face of using the standard platform
> open/close/save/save-as functions, so might be trickier than one might
> think. (I worry about having just one more way for the AOO user profile to
> be corrupted [;<). Need a way not to surprise anyone who expects the
> current behavior.)
>
> - Dennis
I was thinking about this. Each application has automatically selected for its filetype dropdown the available file types in which it could save. The select of these could also coincide with the selection of the application specific directory. Note that I am only thinking about one specific directory for each application, in which all filetypes appropriate to that application will be saved (e.g. for Calc, all spreadsheet files, be they .ods, .xls etc).
Anyway, it is an enhancement to consider.
Rory
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Donald Miller [mailto:damiller2@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 08:40
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Path settings in newer releases
>
> By the way, could "options > paths" be made an easier setting and less easy
> to be reset without permission?
> Present default is up to 7 folder levels deep on C, but I have all my non
> system files on D (for ease of backup).
> I absolutely despise Bill Gates defaults, such as C:\Users\userID\Documents.
>
> Some programs let user settings reside in a text file, which can be backed
> up and copied-in after updates.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Donald A. Miller
>
>
>
>
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Re: Path settings in newer releases
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 14:37:23 -0600
Donald Miller <da...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dennis, my SSD thanks you for that advice.
>
> Rory, threads are easier to follow if you set your email to put your reply at top, then your sig, then the quoted content,
> optional line or space to separate. Some businesses & support services insist on this approach.
> This is easy to set up in outlook.com and client from www.fossamail.org (Windows and Linux).
>
In general I post below the relevant quoted text. Otherwise the response may be out of context.
Rory
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Donald A. Miller
>
> _____________
> > From: dennis.hamilton@acm.org
> > To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> > CC: damiller2@hotmail.com
> > Subject: RE: Path settings in newer releases
> > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 12:45:04 -0700
> >
> > If you have a recent version of Windows (8.1 or 10 for sure), you can move
> > your user-account Documents folder to your D: Drive and the apps that
> > default to it will find it where you put it, as will File Explorer, etc.
> >
> > Find the Documents folder in C:\Users\userID\, right click on the folder
> > name and select properties. Among those you should see either a tab or an
> > entry that specifies Location.
> >
> > You can do this with some of the other standard default folders, such as
> > Music and Pictures.
> >
> > Very handy if you have a small C: drive (such as a SSD).
> >
> > The idea of having different defaults by file type is an interesting one.
> > It probably flies in the face of using the standard platform
> > open/close/save/save-as functions, so might be trickier than one might
> > think. (I worry about having just one more way for the AOO user profile to
> > be corrupted [;<). Need a way not to surprise anyone who expects the
> > current behavior.)
> >
> > - Dennis
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Donald Miller [mailto:damiller2@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 08:40
> > To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> > Subject: Path settings in newer releases
> >
> > By the way, could "options > paths" be made an easier setting and less easy
> > to be reset without permission?
> > Present default is up to 7 folder levels deep on C, but I have all my non
> > system files on D (for ease of backup).
> > I absolutely despise Bill Gates defaults, such as C:\Users\userID\Documents.
> >
> > Some programs let user settings reside in a text file, which can be backed
> > up and copied-in after updates.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Donald A. Miller
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Path settings in newer releases
Posted by Larry Gusaas <la...@gmail.com>.
On 2015-10-13, 2:37 PM Donald Miller wrote:
> Rory, threads are easier to follow if you set your email to put your reply at top, then your sig, then the quoted content, optional line or space to separate.
Wrong. Proper netiquette is to include only the pertinent part of the message you are replying
to and post your response below it.
That way it is clear what part of the message you are replying to.
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Re: Top posting
Posted by Donald Miller <da...@hotmail.com>.
W.H.: Thanks for the ref -- which notes that other styles have advocates.
Many business users prefer top posting as it shows the action focus.
I understand your preference for bottom posting, but that requires
more reading to get to the focus.
Not everyone wants to re read all. But forum users can know to hit
control-end. I spend little time on forums/fora, and tend to forget.
"Interleaved style" can be effective if the client supports suitable tags,
such as ">".
"Why can't we force iron standards?" That's one reason so many hate
Microshaft.
Another is that their "logic" often is not logical or efficient.
Regards, Donald A. Miller
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On 10/13/2015 3:13 PM, William K Helbig Jr wrote:
> A quick lesson on top posting.
>
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
>
> Skip H
>
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Re: Top posting
Posted by DaveMainwaring <da...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Dale Erwin <da...@casaerwin.org>
wrote:
> People who top post never look below the first few lines of any message
> and cannot be bothered to weed out and eliminate irrelevant content,
>
Enough already...
Dale I don't appreciate being put down: "People who top post never look
below the first few lines of any message and cannot be bothered to weed out
and eliminate irrelevant content"
I email using Gmail and replies get placed where it places them.
Off topic threads kill good discussions.
OpenOffice selected the software for the users group. A good mail list
threads discussions
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Re: Top posting
Posted by Dale Erwin <da...@casaerwin.org>.
On 10/14/2015 12:05 AM, Marilyn Safier wrote:
> Why it has become prevalent?
> Because you can read it first and only need to go below if you need to
> refer to something, that's why!
People who top post never look below the first few lines of any message
and cannot be bothered to weed out and eliminate irrelevant content,
such as all those footers added by so many mailing lists. A long-running
conversation can reach hundreds of pages of nothing but endless
repetitions of those footers overrunning mailboxes and bogging down
transmission times, especially in places where internet connections are
slow. It's a very inconsiderate practice.
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Re: Top posting
Posted by Marilyn Safier <ma...@gmail.com>.
Why it has become prevalent?
Because you can read it first and only need to go below if you need to
refer to something, that's why!
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On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:39 PM, Dale Erwin <da...@casaerwin.org>
wrote:
> On 10/13/2015 4:13 PM, William K Helbig Jr wrote:
>
>> A quick lesson on top posting.
>>
>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>> A: Top-posting.
>> Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
>>
>> Skip H
>>
>
> I agree and can't understand why it has become so universally prevalent.
>
> Dale Erwin
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Re: Top posting
Posted by Dale Erwin <da...@casaerwin.org>.
On 10/13/2015 4:13 PM, William K Helbig Jr wrote:
> A quick lesson on top posting.
>
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
>
> Skip H
I agree and can't understand why it has become so universally prevalent.
Dale Erwin
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Re: Top posting
Posted by William K Helbig Jr <wh...@windstream.net>.
A quick lesson on top posting.
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
Skip H
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RE: Top posting
Posted by "Coll-Barth, Michael" <Mi...@VerizonWireless.com.INVALID>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William K Helbig Jr [mailto:whelbig@windstream.net]
>
> A quick lesson on top posting.
>
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
I've been doing the newsgroups, forums and email in its various formats for close to 30 years. The whole top/bottom posting issue is just plain BS. Particularly when the thread is long with folks responding to different parts of the post at different times. What's important is to write clearly and concisely. Don't make me work to understand what you are saying. As for personal preference, I prefer midposting.
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Not for me.
>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
The most annoying is flame wars. Especially over trivial things like, how to post.
>> Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
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Re: Top posting
Posted by Dan Lewis <el...@gmail.com>.
Bottom post
On 10/14/2015 08:07 AM, Coll-Barth, Michael wrote:
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: William K Helbig Jr [mailto:whelbig@windstream.net]
>>
>> A quick lesson on top posting.
>>
>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>> A: Top-posting.
>> Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
> I've been doing the newsgroups, forums and email in its various formats for close to 30 years. The whole top/bottom posting issue is just plain BS. Particularly when the thread is long with folks responding to different parts of the post at different times. What's important is to write clearly and concisely. Don't make me work to understand what you are saying. As for personal preference, I prefer midposting.
>
>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Not for me.
>
>>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>> A: Top-posting.
> A: The most annoying is flame wars. Especially over trivial things like, how to post.
>
> A: All the wasted time spent on topics like this one because no one really learns anything about AOO from this thread! Give the rest of us a break; post information about AOO that will help other members of this mail list.
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Re: Path settings in newer releases
Posted by Donald Miller <da...@hotmail.com>.
James, I use fossamail (windows) to get around some shortcomings of
outlook.com web mail.
After I complete my move to another state, I will have another ISP
option for email.:-)
Regards, Donald A. Miller
On 10/13/2015 2:48 PM, James Knott wrote:
> On 10/13/2015 04:37 PM, Donald Miller wrote:
>> This is easy to set up in outlook.com
> Given that Outlook is clearly a horrible email program, why should it be
> used as an example for how to do things?
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Re: Path settings in newer releases
Posted by James Knott <ja...@rogers.com>.
On 10/13/2015 04:37 PM, Donald Miller wrote:
> This is easy to set up in outlook.com
Given that Outlook is clearly a horrible email program, why should it be
used as an example for how to do things?
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RE: Path settings in newer releases
Posted by Donald Miller <da...@hotmail.com>.
Dennis, my SSD thanks you for that advice.
Rory, threads are easier to follow if you set your email to put your reply at top, then your sig, then the quoted content,
optional line or space to separate. Some businesses & support services insist on this approach.
This is easy to set up in outlook.com and client from www.fossamail.org (Windows and Linux).
Regards,
Donald A. Miller
_____________
> From: dennis.hamilton@acm.org
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> CC: damiller2@hotmail.com
> Subject: RE: Path settings in newer releases
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 12:45:04 -0700
>
> If you have a recent version of Windows (8.1 or 10 for sure), you can move
> your user-account Documents folder to your D: Drive and the apps that
> default to it will find it where you put it, as will File Explorer, etc.
>
> Find the Documents folder in C:\Users\userID\, right click on the folder
> name and select properties. Among those you should see either a tab or an
> entry that specifies Location.
>
> You can do this with some of the other standard default folders, such as
> Music and Pictures.
>
> Very handy if you have a small C: drive (such as a SSD).
>
> The idea of having different defaults by file type is an interesting one.
> It probably flies in the face of using the standard platform
> open/close/save/save-as functions, so might be trickier than one might
> think. (I worry about having just one more way for the AOO user profile to
> be corrupted [;<). Need a way not to surprise anyone who expects the
> current behavior.)
>
> - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donald Miller [mailto:damiller2@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 08:40
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Path settings in newer releases
>
> By the way, could "options > paths" be made an easier setting and less easy
> to be reset without permission?
> Present default is up to 7 folder levels deep on C, but I have all my non
> system files on D (for ease of backup).
> I absolutely despise Bill Gates defaults, such as C:\Users\userID\Documents.
>
> Some programs let user settings reside in a text file, which can be backed
> up and copied-in after updates.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Donald A. Miller
>
>
>
>
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RE: Path settings in newer releases
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
If you have a recent version of Windows (8.1 or 10 for sure), you can move
your user-account Documents folder to your D: Drive and the apps that
default to it will find it where you put it, as will File Explorer, etc.
Find the Documents folder in C:\Users\userID\, right click on the folder
name and select properties. Among those you should see either a tab or an
entry that specifies Location.
You can do this with some of the other standard default folders, such as
Music and Pictures.
Very handy if you have a small C: drive (such as a SSD).
The idea of having different defaults by file type is an interesting one.
It probably flies in the face of using the standard platform
open/close/save/save-as functions, so might be trickier than one might
think. (I worry about having just one more way for the AOO user profile to
be corrupted [;<). Need a way not to surprise anyone who expects the
current behavior.)
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Miller [mailto:damiller2@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 08:40
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Path settings in newer releases
By the way, could "options > paths" be made an easier setting and less easy
to be reset without permission?
Present default is up to 7 folder levels deep on C, but I have all my non
system files on D (for ease of backup).
I absolutely despise Bill Gates defaults, such as C:\Users\userID\Documents.
Some programs let user settings reside in a text file, which can be backed
up and copied-in after updates.
Regards,
Donald A. Miller
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Re: Path settings in newer releases
Posted by Donald Miller <da...@hotmail.com>.
Great concept. More than I dared to ask for.
Regards, Donald A. Miller
On 10/13/2015 10:15 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 09:39:47 -0600
> Donald Miller <da...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> By the way, could "options > paths" be made an easier setting and less easy to be reset without permission?
>> Present default is up to 7 folder levels deep on C, but I have all my non system files on D (for ease of backup).
>> I absolutely despise Bill Gates defaults, such as C:\Users\userID\Documents.
>>
>> Some programs let user settings reside in a text file, which can be backed up and copied-in after updates.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Donald A. Miller
> If it is deemed appropriate to adjust the path setting dialog for some future release, could it also be expanded to permit files of the different types to be saved in unique directories? In my case I work mostly with .odt and .odp files and have long experience in organising my work so this is not a high priority for me, but I am aware that many users would like the ability to save their differing file types in different directories. Such a modification might make a suitable project for Google Summer of Code or an introductory project for new coders.
>
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Re: Path settings in newer releases
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 09:39:47 -0600
Donald Miller <da...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> By the way, could "options > paths" be made an easier setting and less easy to be reset without permission?
> Present default is up to 7 folder levels deep on C, but I have all my non system files on D (for ease of backup).
> I absolutely despise Bill Gates defaults, such as C:\Users\userID\Documents.
>
> Some programs let user settings reside in a text file, which can be backed up and copied-in after updates.
>
> Regards,
> Donald A. Miller
If it is deemed appropriate to adjust the path setting dialog for some future release, could it also be expanded to permit files of the different types to be saved in unique directories? In my case I work mostly with .odt and .odp files and have long experience in organising my work so this is not a high priority for me, but I am aware that many users would like the ability to save their differing file types in different directories. Such a modification might make a suitable project for Google Summer of Code or an introductory project for new coders.
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