Public demo instance hosted by third party

[Joachim Dreimann <jo...@wandisco.com>]

We've been trying to get a demo instance of Bloodhound set up for some
time. Currently the effort is still stuck with ASF Infra [1].

I believe it's a critical tool for generating interest and recruiting more
contributors though.

WANdisco will soon set up a [last-stable] and [nightly build] demo instance
for Bloodhound, and I believe we should link to it at least until our
own (apache project) instance is running.

If there are no objections I will circulate the links to the instance once
it's up and running and subsequently add them to our Wiki where appropriate.

Cheers,
Joe

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5593

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Joe Dreimann
UX Designer | WANdisco <http://www.wandisco.com/>

Re: Public demo instance hosted by third party

[Gary Martin <ga...@wandisco.com>]

On 10/01/13 22:44, Gavin McDonald wrote:
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joachim Dreimann [mailto:joachim.dreimann@wandisco.com]
>> Sent: Friday, 11 January 2013 4:48 AM
>> To: bloodhound-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Public demo instance hosted by third party
>>
>> Indeed I think the ASF VM should be our first priority. I'm talking about
> a
>> temporary solution until then, not an advertising drive.
>> I recognise that this could be a slippery slope (regarding user
> perception), but
>> I feel confident enough that the lack of slope (ie users) is more
> important at
>> this point. Hopefully Gary's change to the ticket and comment will achieve
>> some progress.
>>
> I've got my eye on doing this rsn, just  the backlog of projects jumping
> last minute with the
> svnpubsub/cms deadlines has kept us busy.
>
> I will start the VM today.
>
> what service urls do you want?
>
> I suggest a machine (VM) name of bloodhound-vm2.a.o with service urls of
> something like
> bh-demo1.a.o , bh-demo2.a.o etc ?

The VM name is fine. I guess something like bh-demo-<name>.a.o might be 
worth going for but I would also be happy to distinguish the demos with 
something like bh-demo.a.o/<name>/

In case it is helpful to know now, the two demos we expect to start with 
would probably be:

  * current - the latest official release
  * nightly - the current trunk, obviously rebuilt once a day

I think there was also a suggestion of having any upcoming release 
demoed over the voting period, although we may have to balance any 
benefit of that against the possibility that votes will be made only on 
the basis of such a demo.

Cheers,
     Gary

RE: Public demo instance hosted by third party

[Gavin McDonald <ga...@16degrees.com.au>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joachim Dreimann [mailto:joachim.dreimann@wandisco.com]
> Sent: Friday, 11 January 2013 4:48 AM
> To: bloodhound-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Public demo instance hosted by third party
> 
> Indeed I think the ASF VM should be our first priority. I'm talking about
a
> temporary solution until then, not an advertising drive.
> I recognise that this could be a slippery slope (regarding user
perception), but
> I feel confident enough that the lack of slope (ie users) is more
important at
> this point. Hopefully Gary's change to the ticket and comment will achieve
> some progress.
> 

I've got my eye on doing this rsn, just  the backlog of projects jumping
last minute with the 
svnpubsub/cms deadlines has kept us busy.

I will start the VM today.

what service urls do you want?

I suggest a machine (VM) name of bloodhound-vm2.a.o with service urls of
something like
bh-demo1.a.o , bh-demo2.a.o etc ?

Thanks

Gav...

> - Joe
> 
> 
> On 10 January 2013 15:12, Gary Martin <ga...@wandisco.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 10/01/13 12:18, Nick Burch wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013, Joachim Dreimann wrote:
> >>
> >>> We've been trying to get a demo instance of Bloodhound set up for
> >>> some time. Currently the effort is still stuck with ASF Infra [1].
> >>>
> >>
> >> It might be worth engaging with infra on this. It's possible that by
> >> asking several different things in one ticket (vm, build infra etc),
> >> it has confused things. Hopefully someone from infra could advise on
> >> what's needed to get it all moving (potentially by splitting out the
> >> build queries)
> >>
> >> Nick
> >>
> >
> > It may well be that we have not pushed hard enough on the ticket but
> > it is the first ticket we have raised that did not generate some kind
> > of response relatively quickly. I've updated the ticket to remove the
> > extra question, leaving the details of what I think we want and a few
> > details of how we will subsequently use the resource.
> >
> > Any other advice would be good!
> >
> > I don't think Joe is suggesting that we stop trying to get the VM of
> > course. I still work on the assumption that we will get the VM
> > eventually or get given appropriate advice on infra provided
alternatives.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >     Gary
> >
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Public demo instance hosted by third party

[Joachim Dreimann <jo...@wandisco.com>]

Indeed I think the ASF VM should be our first priority. I'm talking about a
temporary solution until then, not an advertising drive.
I recognise that this could be a slippery slope (regarding user
perception), but I feel confident enough that the lack of slope (ie users)
is more important at this point. Hopefully Gary's change to the ticket and
comment will achieve some progress.

- Joe


On 10 January 2013 15:12, Gary Martin <ga...@wandisco.com> wrote:

> On 10/01/13 12:18, Nick Burch wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013, Joachim Dreimann wrote:
>>
>>> We've been trying to get a demo instance of Bloodhound set up for some
>>> time. Currently the effort is still stuck with ASF Infra [1].
>>>
>>
>> It might be worth engaging with infra on this. It's possible that by
>> asking several different things in one ticket (vm, build infra etc), it has
>> confused things. Hopefully someone from infra could advise on what's needed
>> to get it all moving (potentially by splitting out the build queries)
>>
>> Nick
>>
>
> It may well be that we have not pushed hard enough on the ticket but it is
> the first ticket we have raised that did not generate some kind of response
> relatively quickly. I've updated the ticket to remove the extra question,
> leaving the details of what I think we want and a few details of how we
> will subsequently use the resource.
>
> Any other advice would be good!
>
> I don't think Joe is suggesting that we stop trying to get the VM of
> course. I still work on the assumption that we will get the VM eventually
> or get given appropriate advice on infra provided alternatives.
>
> Cheers,
>     Gary
>



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Re: Public demo instance hosted by third party

[Nick Burch <ap...@gagravarr.org>]

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013, Gary Martin wrote:
> It may well be that we have not pushed hard enough on the ticket but it 
> is the first ticket we have raised that did not generate some kind of 
> response relatively quickly.

I think your ticket went in at almost the same moment that a whole bunch 
of VMs died and needing rebuilding, and that nearly 50% of all PMCs 
suddenly remembered the svnpubsub 18 month deadline was about to hit and 
they really needed to do something...! Infra work miracles, but there are 
limits to even their powers ;-)

Luckily Gav has some cycles again, so if people can give him answers to 
his queries, it'll hopefully be sorted shortly!

Nick

Re: Public demo instance hosted by third party

[Gary Martin <ga...@wandisco.com>]

On 10/01/13 12:18, Nick Burch wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013, Joachim Dreimann wrote:
>> We've been trying to get a demo instance of Bloodhound set up for some
>> time. Currently the effort is still stuck with ASF Infra [1].
>
> It might be worth engaging with infra on this. It's possible that by 
> asking several different things in one ticket (vm, build infra etc), 
> it has confused things. Hopefully someone from infra could advise on 
> what's needed to get it all moving (potentially by splitting out the 
> build queries)
>
> Nick

It may well be that we have not pushed hard enough on the ticket but it 
is the first ticket we have raised that did not generate some kind of 
response relatively quickly. I've updated the ticket to remove the extra 
question, leaving the details of what I think we want and a few details 
of how we will subsequently use the resource.

Any other advice would be good!

I don't think Joe is suggesting that we stop trying to get the VM of 
course. I still work on the assumption that we will get the VM 
eventually or get given appropriate advice on infra provided alternatives.

Cheers,
     Gary

Re: Public demo instance hosted by third party

[Branko Čibej <br...@wandisco.com>]

On 10.01.2013 13:18, Nick Burch wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013, Joachim Dreimann wrote:
>> We've been trying to get a demo instance of Bloodhound set up for some
>> time. Currently the effort is still stuck with ASF Infra [1].
>
> It might be worth engaging with infra on this. It's possible that by
> asking several different things in one ticket (vm, build infra etc),
> it has confused things. Hopefully someone from infra could advise on
> what's needed to get it all moving (potentially by splitting out the
> build queries)

Agreed. Let's not be hasty in selling ASF infra short.

Besides, Bloodhound is too dependent upon WANdisco as it is. Going in
this direction may get you into the same trap that Subversion used to be
in, where potential users perceived it as being "owned" by CollabNet and
were wary about adopting it because of that.

-- Brane

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Branko Čibej
Director of Subversion | WANdisco | www.wandisco.com

Re: Public demo instance hosted by third party

[Nick Burch <ap...@gagravarr.org>]

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013, Joachim Dreimann wrote:
> We've been trying to get a demo instance of Bloodhound set up for some
> time. Currently the effort is still stuck with ASF Infra [1].

It might be worth engaging with infra on this. It's possible that by 
asking several different things in one ticket (vm, build infra etc), it 
has confused things. Hopefully someone from infra could advise on what's 
needed to get it all moving (potentially by splitting out the build 
queries)

Nick