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i don't like the new tapestry 5 based on xml ?
dunno why but i'm little bothered by the new concept
of tapestry 5 based on xml
if it's true...then
it will has strict rules when writing html tag
it has to be xml rules not html
....
In a change from Tapestry 4, under Tapestry 5,
component templates are well formed XML documents.
That means that every open tag must have a matching
close tag, every attribute must be quoted, and so
forth.
....
[http://tapestry.formos.com/nightly/tapestry5/tapestry-core/guide/templates.html]
in html when we forget to close the tag it will be ok
but in xml it will be show as an error....
second....the type .tml
it's really annoying....
he3x...just i will looks strange
just my 2 cents....
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Re: i don't like the new tapestry 5 based on xml ?
Posted by Christian Gruber <ch...@gmail.com>.
Heh. See!? I told you it should be configurable. ;)
christian.
On 29-Sep-07, at 2:08 PM, Chris Lewis wrote:
> I didn't realize that it was a (partial) attempt at preventing the
> container from serving them as static. However, "Use the extension
> ".tml" (Tapestry Markup Language)" confirms that there is at least
> some degree of branding. Many frameworks do this (rhtml anyone?),
> and probably for several reasons, but branding is certainly one of
> them.
>
> PS So does that mean I must rename all of my templates to *.tml?
>
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Re: i don't like the new tapestry 5 based on xml ?
Posted by Nick Westgate <ni...@key-planning.co.jp>.
If you switch to a 5.0.6 snapshot, yes.
Cheers,
Nick.
Chris Lewis wrote:
> I didn't realize that it was a (partial) attempt at preventing the
> container from serving them as static. However, "Use the extension
> ".tml" (Tapestry Markup Language)" confirms that there is at least some
> degree of branding. Many frameworks do this (rhtml anyone?), and
> probably for several reasons, but branding is certainly one of them.
>
> PS So does that mean I must rename all of my templates to *.tml?
>
> Nick Westgate wrote:
>> Marketing eh? Interesting idea.
>> Here are the actual reasons from the dev list discussion:
>> http://www.nabble.com/-DISCUSS--T5-template-extension-change-tf4502622.html
>>
>>
>> "
>> 1) Use the extension ".tml" (Tapestry Markup Language) for Tapestry
>> templates, rather than ".html". This reflects the goal of using
>> Tapestry to
>> serve many kinds of markup, not just HTML (and XHTML).
>>
>> 2) Move web context templates from WEB-INF to / (root). This will allow
>> relative paths to resources (images, etc.), much as in Tapestry 4.
>>
>> 3) Extend the TapestryFilter to block access to ".tml" files from the
>> client. This addresses security concerns related to external users
>> gaining
>> access to raw templates (much as we are careful to block access to Java
>> .class files via /asset).
>> "
>>
>> Basically the tml suffix allows templates to be protected by Tapestry
>> outside
>> WEB-INF while *.html files are served as static files by the container.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>>
>>
>> Penyihir Kecil wrote:
>>> i'm not saying i like unclosed tag
>>> we're not work alone man...
>>> when you're work on team
>>> everything could be happenned
>>> it's not about smart or dumb (sorry)
>>>
>>> just my humble opinion
>>>
>>> and also i think
>>> you don't have to personal attacking me
>>> it just my opinion about tapestry
>>> not personal attacking
>>> you should learn how to argue politey
>>>
>>> --- Chris Lewis <ch...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you're only real concern is that fact that you
>>>> have to have well-formed documents, I'd suggest you examine your
>>>> coding practices. Having unclosed tags is not smart as it will break
>>>> the rendering. As far as *tml, I agree its annoying and its most likely
>>>> named that for marketing reasons, but I dont use it. I use *html.
>>>>
>>>> chris
>>>>
>>>> Penyihir Kecil wrote:
>>>>> dunno why but i'm little bothered by the new
>>>> concept
>>>>> of tapestry 5 based on xml
>>>>>
>>>>> if it's true...then
>>>>> it will has strict rules when writing html tag
>>>>> it has to be xml rules not html
>>>>>
>>>>> ....
>>>>> In a change from Tapestry 4, under Tapestry 5,
>>>>> component templates are well formed XML documents.
>>>>> That means that every open tag must have a
>>>> matching
>>>>> close tag, every attribute must be quoted, and so
>>>>> forth.
>>>>> ....
>>>>>
>>> [http://tapestry.formos.com/nightly/tapestry5/tapestry-core/guide/templates.html]
>>>
>>>>> in html when we forget to close the tag it will be
>>>> ok
>>>>> but in xml it will be show as an error....
>>>>>
>>>>> second....the type .tml
>>>>> it's really annoying....
>>>>> he3x...just i will looks strange
>>>>>
>>>>> just my 2 cents....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: i don't like the new tapestry 5 based on xml ?
Posted by Chris Lewis <ch...@bellsouth.net>.
I didn't realize that it was a (partial) attempt at preventing the
container from serving them as static. However, "Use the extension
".tml" (Tapestry Markup Language)" confirms that there is at least some
degree of branding. Many frameworks do this (rhtml anyone?), and
probably for several reasons, but branding is certainly one of them.
PS So does that mean I must rename all of my templates to *.tml?
Nick Westgate wrote:
> Marketing eh? Interesting idea.
> Here are the actual reasons from the dev list discussion:
> http://www.nabble.com/-DISCUSS--T5-template-extension-change-tf4502622.html
>
>
> "
> 1) Use the extension ".tml" (Tapestry Markup Language) for Tapestry
> templates, rather than ".html". This reflects the goal of using
> Tapestry to
> serve many kinds of markup, not just HTML (and XHTML).
>
> 2) Move web context templates from WEB-INF to / (root). This will allow
> relative paths to resources (images, etc.), much as in Tapestry 4.
>
> 3) Extend the TapestryFilter to block access to ".tml" files from the
> client. This addresses security concerns related to external users
> gaining
> access to raw templates (much as we are careful to block access to Java
> .class files via /asset).
> "
>
> Basically the tml suffix allows templates to be protected by Tapestry
> outside
> WEB-INF while *.html files are served as static files by the container.
>
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
>
> Penyihir Kecil wrote:
>> i'm not saying i like unclosed tag
>> we're not work alone man...
>> when you're work on team
>> everything could be happenned
>> it's not about smart or dumb (sorry)
>>
>> just my humble opinion
>>
>> and also i think
>> you don't have to personal attacking me
>> it just my opinion about tapestry
>> not personal attacking
>> you should learn how to argue politey
>>
>> --- Chris Lewis <ch...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> If you're only real concern is that fact that you
>>> have to have well-formed documents, I'd suggest you examine your
>>> coding practices. Having unclosed tags is not smart as it will break
>>> the rendering. As far as *tml, I agree its annoying and its most likely
>>> named that for marketing reasons, but I dont use it. I use *html.
>>>
>>> chris
>>>
>>> Penyihir Kecil wrote:
>>>> dunno why but i'm little bothered by the new
>>> concept
>>>> of tapestry 5 based on xml
>>>>
>>>> if it's true...then
>>>> it will has strict rules when writing html tag
>>>> it has to be xml rules not html
>>>>
>>>> ....
>>>> In a change from Tapestry 4, under Tapestry 5,
>>>> component templates are well formed XML documents.
>>>> That means that every open tag must have a
>>> matching
>>>> close tag, every attribute must be quoted, and so
>>>> forth.
>>>> ....
>>>>
>> [http://tapestry.formos.com/nightly/tapestry5/tapestry-core/guide/templates.html]
>>
>>>> in html when we forget to close the tag it will be
>>> ok
>>>> but in xml it will be show as an error....
>>>>
>>>> second....the type .tml
>>>> it's really annoying....
>>>> he3x...just i will looks strange
>>>>
>>>> just my 2 cents....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> ____________________________________________________________________________________
>>
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Re: i don't like the new tapestry 5 based on xml ?
Posted by Penyihir Kecil <pe...@yahoo.com>.
ow.... i can see now why it used *.tml
thnx nick for showing me the link....
Nick Westgate <ni...@key-planning.co.jp> wrote: Marketing eh? Interesting idea.
Here are the actual reasons from the dev list discussion:
http://www.nabble.com/-DISCUSS--T5-template-extension-change-tf4502622.html
"
1) Use the extension ".tml" (Tapestry Markup Language) for Tapestry
templates, rather than ".html". This reflects the goal of using Tapestry to
serve many kinds of markup, not just HTML (and XHTML).
2) Move web context templates from WEB-INF to / (root). This will allow
relative paths to resources (images, etc.), much as in Tapestry 4.
3) Extend the TapestryFilter to block access to ".tml" files from the
client. This addresses security concerns related to external users gaining
access to raw templates (much as we are careful to block access to Java
.class files via /asset).
"
Basically the tml suffix allows templates to be protected by Tapestry outside
WEB-INF while *.html files are served as static files by the container.
Cheers,
Nick.
Penyihir Kecil wrote:
> i'm not saying i like unclosed tag
> we're not work alone man...
> when you're work on team
> everything could be happenned
> it's not about smart or dumb (sorry)
>
> just my humble opinion
>
> and also i think
> you don't have to personal attacking me
> it just my opinion about tapestry
> not personal attacking
> you should learn how to argue politey
>
> --- Chris Lewis wrote:
>
>> If you're only real concern is that fact that you
>> have to have
>> well-formed documents, I'd suggest you examine your
>> coding practices.
>> Having unclosed tags is not smart as it will break
>> the rendering. As far
>> as *tml, I agree its annoying and its most likely
>> named that for
>> marketing reasons, but I dont use it. I use *html.
>>
>> chris
>>
>> Penyihir Kecil wrote:
>>> dunno why but i'm little bothered by the new
>> concept
>>> of tapestry 5 based on xml
>>>
>>> if it's true...then
>>> it will has strict rules when writing html tag
>>> it has to be xml rules not html
>>>
>>> ....
>>> In a change from Tapestry 4, under Tapestry 5,
>>> component templates are well formed XML documents.
>>> That means that every open tag must have a
>> matching
>>> close tag, every attribute must be quoted, and so
>>> forth.
>>> ....
>>>
> [http://tapestry.formos.com/nightly/tapestry5/tapestry-core/guide/templates.html]
>>> in html when we forget to close the tag it will be
>> ok
>>> but in xml it will be show as an error....
>>>
>>> second....the type .tml
>>> it's really annoying....
>>> he3x...just i will looks strange
>>>
>>> just my 2 cents....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
>>> Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship
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Re: i don't like the new tapestry 5 based on xml ?
Posted by Nick Westgate <ni...@key-planning.co.jp>.
Marketing eh? Interesting idea.
Here are the actual reasons from the dev list discussion:
http://www.nabble.com/-DISCUSS--T5-template-extension-change-tf4502622.html
"
1) Use the extension ".tml" (Tapestry Markup Language) for Tapestry
templates, rather than ".html". This reflects the goal of using Tapestry to
serve many kinds of markup, not just HTML (and XHTML).
2) Move web context templates from WEB-INF to / (root). This will allow
relative paths to resources (images, etc.), much as in Tapestry 4.
3) Extend the TapestryFilter to block access to ".tml" files from the
client. This addresses security concerns related to external users gaining
access to raw templates (much as we are careful to block access to Java
.class files via /asset).
"
Basically the tml suffix allows templates to be protected by Tapestry outside
WEB-INF while *.html files are served as static files by the container.
Cheers,
Nick.
Penyihir Kecil wrote:
> i'm not saying i like unclosed tag
> we're not work alone man...
> when you're work on team
> everything could be happenned
> it's not about smart or dumb (sorry)
>
> just my humble opinion
>
> and also i think
> you don't have to personal attacking me
> it just my opinion about tapestry
> not personal attacking
> you should learn how to argue politey
>
> --- Chris Lewis <ch...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> If you're only real concern is that fact that you
>> have to have
>> well-formed documents, I'd suggest you examine your
>> coding practices.
>> Having unclosed tags is not smart as it will break
>> the rendering. As far
>> as *tml, I agree its annoying and its most likely
>> named that for
>> marketing reasons, but I dont use it. I use *html.
>>
>> chris
>>
>> Penyihir Kecil wrote:
>>> dunno why but i'm little bothered by the new
>> concept
>>> of tapestry 5 based on xml
>>>
>>> if it's true...then
>>> it will has strict rules when writing html tag
>>> it has to be xml rules not html
>>>
>>> ....
>>> In a change from Tapestry 4, under Tapestry 5,
>>> component templates are well formed XML documents.
>>> That means that every open tag must have a
>> matching
>>> close tag, every attribute must be quoted, and so
>>> forth.
>>> ....
>>>
> [http://tapestry.formos.com/nightly/tapestry5/tapestry-core/guide/templates.html]
>>> in html when we forget to close the tag it will be
>> ok
>>> but in xml it will be show as an error....
>>>
>>> second....the type .tml
>>> it's really annoying....
>>> he3x...just i will looks strange
>>>
>>> just my 2 cents....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: i don't like the new tapestry 5 based on xml ?
Posted by Chris Lewis <ch...@bellsouth.net>.
I was offering you a pragmatic reason for avoiding broken html at all
costs. I am not arguing and was certainly not insulting you.
Penyihir Kecil wrote:
> i'm not saying i like unclosed tag
> we're not work alone man...
> when you're work on team
> everything could be happenned
> it's not about smart or dumb (sorry)
>
> just my humble opinion
>
> and also i think
> you don't have to personal attacking me
> it just my opinion about tapestry
> not personal attacking
> you should learn how to argue politey
>
> --- Chris Lewis <ch...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>> If you're only real concern is that fact that you
>> have to have
>> well-formed documents, I'd suggest you examine your
>> coding practices.
>> Having unclosed tags is not smart as it will break
>> the rendering. As far
>> as *tml, I agree its annoying and its most likely
>> named that for
>> marketing reasons, but I dont use it. I use *html.
>>
>> chris
>>
>> Penyihir Kecil wrote:
>>
>>> dunno why but i'm little bothered by the new
>>>
>> concept
>>
>>> of tapestry 5 based on xml
>>>
>>> if it's true...then
>>> it will has strict rules when writing html tag
>>> it has to be xml rules not html
>>>
>>> ....
>>> In a change from Tapestry 4, under Tapestry 5,
>>> component templates are well formed XML documents.
>>> That means that every open tag must have a
>>>
>> matching
>>
>>> close tag, every attribute must be quoted, and so
>>> forth.
>>> ....
>>>
>>>
> [http://tapestry.formos.com/nightly/tapestry5/tapestry-core/guide/templates.html]
>
>>> in html when we forget to close the tag it will be
>>>
>> ok
>>
>>> but in xml it will be show as an error....
>>>
>>> second....the type .tml
>>> it's really annoying....
>>> he3x...just i will looks strange
>>>
>>> just my 2 cents....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: i don't like the new tapestry 5 based on xml ?
Posted by Penyihir Kecil <pe...@yahoo.com>.
i'm not saying i like unclosed tag
we're not work alone man...
when you're work on team
everything could be happenned
it's not about smart or dumb (sorry)
just my humble opinion
and also i think
you don't have to personal attacking me
it just my opinion about tapestry
not personal attacking
you should learn how to argue politey
--- Chris Lewis <ch...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> If you're only real concern is that fact that you
> have to have
> well-formed documents, I'd suggest you examine your
> coding practices.
> Having unclosed tags is not smart as it will break
> the rendering. As far
> as *tml, I agree its annoying and its most likely
> named that for
> marketing reasons, but I dont use it. I use *html.
>
> chris
>
> Penyihir Kecil wrote:
> > dunno why but i'm little bothered by the new
> concept
> > of tapestry 5 based on xml
> >
> > if it's true...then
> > it will has strict rules when writing html tag
> > it has to be xml rules not html
> >
> > ....
> > In a change from Tapestry 4, under Tapestry 5,
> > component templates are well formed XML documents.
> > That means that every open tag must have a
> matching
> > close tag, every attribute must be quoted, and so
> > forth.
> > ....
> >
>
[http://tapestry.formos.com/nightly/tapestry5/tapestry-core/guide/templates.html]
> >
> > in html when we forget to close the tag it will be
> ok
> > but in xml it will be show as an error....
> >
> > second....the type .tml
> > it's really annoying....
> > he3x...just i will looks strange
> >
> > just my 2 cents....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: i don't like the new tapestry 5 based on xml ?
Posted by Chris Lewis <ch...@bellsouth.net>.
If you're only real concern is that fact that you have to have
well-formed documents, I'd suggest you examine your coding practices.
Having unclosed tags is not smart as it will break the rendering. As far
as *tml, I agree its annoying and its most likely named that for
marketing reasons, but I dont use it. I use *html.
chris
Penyihir Kecil wrote:
> dunno why but i'm little bothered by the new concept
> of tapestry 5 based on xml
>
> if it's true...then
> it will has strict rules when writing html tag
> it has to be xml rules not html
>
> ....
> In a change from Tapestry 4, under Tapestry 5,
> component templates are well formed XML documents.
> That means that every open tag must have a matching
> close tag, every attribute must be quoted, and so
> forth.
> ....
> [http://tapestry.formos.com/nightly/tapestry5/tapestry-core/guide/templates.html]
>
> in html when we forget to close the tag it will be ok
> but in xml it will be show as an error....
>
> second....the type .tml
> it's really annoying....
> he3x...just i will looks strange
>
> just my 2 cents....
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