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[Bug 6699] New: Obsolete links to rhyolite.com in various dcc
related files
https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=6699
Bug #: 6699
Summary: Obsolete links to rhyolite.com in various dcc related
files
Product: Spamassassin
Version: 3.3.2
Platform: All
OS/Version: All
Status: NEW
Severity: normal
Priority: P2
Component: Plugins
AssignedTo: dev@spamassassin.apache.org
ReportedBy: sidney@sidney.com
Classification: Unclassified
rules/25_dcc.cf and translations contain links to rhyolite.com URLs that should
be changed to current ones on dcc-servers.net. There may be other such
references in perldoc in the code, so whoever looks at this should search to
check.
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--- Comment #5 from Vernon Schryver <vj...@rhyolite.com> 2011-11-13 16:48:43 UTC ---
Would it be possible to change the URL in this line
describe DCC_CHECK Listed in DCC (http://www.dcc-servers.net/dcc/)
to something like
describe DCC_CHECK Listed in DCC (dcc-servers.net/dcc/)
or even
describe DCC_CHECK Listed in DCC
or better still,
describe DCC_CHECK Detected as bulk mail by DCC
The new version implies that instead of postmaster@rhyolite.com getting
complaints about 'spamvertising' from lusers with broken 'spam bouncers',
postmaster@dcc-servers.net will be blessed. Since I read both
mailboxes, I don't see quite enough improvement in the new version.
It's fine to use valid URLs in documentation, but the
"Listed in DCC..." text is added to passing email visible
to people who don't understand.
Yes, there are indeed still irritating users with broken by design
tools that send idiotic reports based on headers added by their own ISPs
That SpamAssassin header line has been an irritant for many years,
albeit decreasing as fewer people report spam and bad tools are replaced.
I suspect some of the stupid requests for "delisting from DCC" that I
get via web contact pages have been provoked by the SpamAssassin header.
There's text on the contact web pages pointing out the foolishness
of asking for DCC delisting given the nature of DCC. But many
'advertising professionals' don't care about minor technical details
and will try anything.
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--- Comment #7 from Sidney Markowitz <si...@sidney.com> 2011-11-13 19:00:55 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #5)
I also like "detected" better than "listed". I do think that it would be better
to include some hint for people who see this and have no idea what DCC is, as
the top hits for a Google search of those three letters is not particularly
enlightening. I apologize for misunderstanding the problem with the
rhyolite.com URL: My Internet connection is through Vodafone NZ who have some
sort of brain-damaged "transparent" web proxy that seems to block a random
assortment of web sites unless I tunnel past it through a VPN to some other
ISP. I thought that www.rhyolite.com was no longer in operation and you wanted
to change the URL.
Assuming that people who want to find out what the DCC hit in their email means
are smart enough to try a web search, I think this would do:
describe DCC_CHECK Detected as bulk mail by DCC (dcc-servers.net)
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Sidney Markowitz <si...@sidney.com> changed:
What |Removed |Added
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Depends on| |6698
--- Comment #2 from Sidney Markowitz <si...@sidney.com> 2011-11-12 23:02:46 UTC ---
The rule files have been committed to trunk in revision 1201349
DCC.pm will be extensively changed in bug 6698 anyway. So as not to interfere
with the patch being done there I'm just making this bug dependent on that.
Close this once bug 6698 is done.
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--- Comment #16 from Mark Martinec <Ma...@ijs.si> 2011-11-14 19:19:24 UTC ---
> I changed 25_dcc.cf, leaving the others for native speakers to either speak up
> here or commit it themselves.
> Committed revision 1201551.
trunk:
Bug 6699: Obsolete links to rhyolite.com in various dcc related files
- adjust the test dcc.t accordingly
Sending t/dcc.t
Committed revision 1201831.
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--- Comment #13 from Sidney Markowitz <si...@sidney.com> 2011-11-14 02:04:24 UTC ---
(in reply to comment #9)
Sending 30_text_de.cf
Transmitting file data .
Committed revision 1201573.
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--- Comment #8 from Vernon Schryver <vj...@rhyolite.com> 2011-11-13 20:11:08 UTC ---
> My Internet connection is through Vodafone NZ who have some
> sort of brain-damaged "transparent" web proxy that seems to block a random
> assortment of web sites
That argues for https everywhere, but for the problems with the PKI
including corrupt CAs, too many CAs to trust, the cost of certs, and the
problems with self-signed certs and CAs. Some of those might someday
be solved by DANE. https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=dane+pki
if registrars ever support DNSSEC.
> I thought that www.rhyolite.com was no longer in operation and you wanted
> to change the URL.
For almost 10 years the official DCC site has been dcc-servers.net. The
machines that have answered to dcc-servers.net have had >10 times the
available bandwidth as www.rhyolite.com. But the overwhelming majority
of hyperlinks about DCC point to rhyolite.com. Such is life.
>Assuming that people who want to find out what the DCC hit in their email means
> are smart enough to try a web search, I think this would do:
>
> describe DCC_CHECK Detected as bulk mail by DCC (dcc-servers.net)
that looks good to me.
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Karsten Bräckelmann <gu...@rudersport.de> changed:
What |Removed |Added
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Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED
Resolution|FIXED |
--- Comment #6 from Karsten Bräckelmann <gu...@rudersport.de> 2011-11-13 18:11:33 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #5)
> or better still,
> describe DCC_CHECK Detected as bulk mail by DCC
+1 I'm in favor of "detected" rather than "listed", given the nature of DCC as
Vernon pointed out.
Such a change to the description will cause the translations to go out of sync,
though. I can handle German, but someone else needs to step up for the other
languages:
fr, nl, pl, pt_br
REOPENing.
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Jose Borges Ferreira <jo...@anubisnetworks.com> changed:
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CC| |jose.ferreira@anubisnetwork
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--- Comment #11 from Jose Borges Ferreira <jo...@anubisnetworks.com> 2011-11-14 00:05:07 UTC ---
Here is the pt_BR translation:
lang pt_BR describe DCC_CHECK Classificado como spam pelo DCC (dcc-servers.net)
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--- Comment #3 from Sidney Markowitz <si...@sidney.com> 2011-11-12 23:06:14 UTC ---
Almost forgot this one:
Sending spamassassin-run.pod
Transmitting file data .
Committed revision 1201350.
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Posted by bu...@bugzilla.spamassassin.org.
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Bug 6699 depends on bug 6698, which changed state.
Bug 6698 Summary: New DCC.pm improves performance, is more resilient.
https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=6698
What |Old Value |New Value
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Status|NEW |RESOLVED
Resolution| |FIXED
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--- Comment #12 from Sidney Markowitz <si...@sidney.com> 2011-11-14 00:46:07 UTC ---
(in reply to comment #11)
Jose, does "Classificado como spam" mean classified as spam? The English
version is careful to say "Detected as bulk mail" not spam. DCC is only
checking if the same mail is sent out many times (a mass mailing or bulk mail)
not whether it is also spam.
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--- Comment #10 from Sidney Markowitz <si...@sidney.com> 2011-11-13 23:47:59 UTC ---
I changed 25_dcc.cf, leaving the others for native speakers to either speak up
here or commit it themselves.
Committed revision 1201551.
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--- Comment #15 from Sidney Markowitz <si...@sidney.com> 2011-11-14 18:52:44 UTC ---
(in reply to comment #14)
Sending 30_text_pt_br.cf
Transmitting file data .
Committed revision 1201823.
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Status|NEW |RESOLVED
Resolution| |FIXED
--- Comment #4 from Sidney Markowitz <si...@sidney.com> 2011-11-13 01:53:05 UTC ---
Bug 6698 hasn't been closed yet but the part that this bug is concerned with
has been committed.
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Kevin A. McGrail <km...@pccc.com> changed:
What |Removed |Added
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Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED
CC| |kmcgrail@pccc.com
Resolution|--- |FIXED
--- Comment #17 from Kevin A. McGrail <km...@pccc.com> ---
Closing as resolved
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--- Comment #1 from Sidney Markowitz <si...@sidney.com> 2011-11-12 22:47:30 UTC ---
It appears that the correct URL for general reference to DCC is
http://www.dcc-servers.net/dcc/ and that the places that need changing are in
DCC.pm, spamassassin-run.pod, and in rules 25_dcc.cf 30_text_de.cf
30_text_fr.cf 30_text_nl.cf 30_text_pl.cf 30_text_pt_br.cf
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--- Comment #9 from Karsten Bräckelmann <gu...@rudersport.de> 2011-11-13 22:16:27 UTC ---
> describe DCC_CHECK Detected as bulk mail by DCC (dcc-servers.net)
German translation, 30_text_de.cf
Als Massen-E-Mail erkannt von DCC (dcc-servers.net)
Feel free to propose different wording. I'm not used to such things being
localized anywhere.
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--- Comment #14 from Jose Borges Ferreira <jo...@anubisnetworks.com> 2011-11-14 11:54:32 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #12)
> (in reply to comment #11)
>
> Jose, does "Classificado como spam" mean classified as spam? The English
> version is careful to say "Detected as bulk mail" not spam. DCC is only
> checking if the same mail is sent out many times (a mass mailing or bulk mail)
> not whether it is also spam.
Yes it does.
I had some doubts on how I could translate "bulk mail" and for coherence sake i
checked with other rules in 30_text_pt_br.cf. In some, the word "spam" is used
and in others (like RATWARE_* ) uses "email em massa". Although correct, "email
em massa" is rarely used, if used at all.
If you feel that "spam" shouldn't be used, then use
lang pt_BR describe DCC_CHECK Classificado como email em massa pelo DCC
(dcc-servers.net)
José Borges Ferreira
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CC| |sidney@sidney.com
Target Milestone|Undefined |3.4.0
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