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Posted to derby-dev@db.apache.org by David Van Couvering <Da...@Sun.COM> on 2006/05/23 19:04:23 UTC

Re: Looking for Stephen Fitch

Great, Darcy, thanks!  I'm copying the Derby Developer community so they 
know where things stand.  The main thing we need from Stephen is for him 
to sign an ICLA and to clarify the copyrights on the files (they say 
copyright 2004 but we suspect 2005?).

Thanks,

David

Darcy Benoit wrote:
> 
> Hi there. Stephen Fitch is the student that I am talking about. He has 
> recently graduated, and has taken a full-time job with the government. 
> He should be starting work soon. I've emailed him at one address that I 
> have, and I'll try him again at another email address. I'm prompting him 
> to get this done and over with, as I would hate to see this contribution 
> not make it into the code base.
> 
> darcy
> 
> On Tue, 23 May 2006 13:44:52 -0300, David Van Couvering 
> <Da...@Sun.COM> wrote:
> 
>> Hi, Darcy.  The student you mentioned who had implemented an in-memory
>> store for Derby -- is his name Stephen Fitch?
>>
>> If not, you can ignore the rest of this email.  Whoever your student is
>> does need to provide a patch and also likely sign an Individual
>> Contributor License Agreement.
>>
>> If Stephen Fitich *is* the contributor, we have his contribution at
>>
>> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-646
>>
>> but the problem is, as you can see from the comments on this JIRA item,
>> that Stephen never submitted an Individual Contributor License
>> Agreement, or ICLA.  Without that, we can not accept his contribution.
>>
>> We also are concerned about the fact that some files have a copyright
>> date starting at 1984.  Does Stephen own the copyright on all this code,
>> or did he obtain it elsewhere?
>>
>> Until we get these things cleared up, as much as we want to we can't
>> take his code, and that would be a real waste.
>>
>> We have tried contacting Stephen directly but he's not responding to his
>> emails.  Do you know how to reach him?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> David
>>
> 
> 
> 
> --Dr. Darcy Benoit
> http://cs.acadiau.ca/~dbenoit/

Re: In-memory store implementation how to move forward (WAS Re: ICLA's (WAS Re: Looking for Stephen Fitch) (Found!?))

Posted by Satheesh Bandaram <ba...@gmail.com>.
David Van Couvering wrote:

> Great ideas, Kathey, thanks.
>
Fixing copyrights in the files would also be good. Thanks Stephen for
getting back in touch!

May be a Wiki page with information requested about current state of the
project could be placed at: http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/DerbyProposals

Satheesh

> Also, I do hope Stephen can be available for quick email consults
> moving forward, if something turns out to be particularly hard to grok.
>
> David
>
> Kathey Marsden wrote:
>
>> Stephen Fitch wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> 4. As for a functional spec, some of my thesis may not be too bad
>>> for some it.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions as to what I can try to do withing the next few days
>>> to get this goin?
>>>
>> If we are looking at a few  days work and then you disappear  maybe ...
>>
>> - Attach your thesis to the issue or extract the relevant parts  if
>> you can contribute that.
>> - Try to make a detailed list of what you know the outstanding
>> issues  and work to be, so it is easy for the next person to pick up.
>> - It might be good to schedule an IRC Q&A time  if there are folks 
>> who are interested in acting on this right away they could probe you
>> for information before you disappear.
>>
>> Thanks for making the effort to keep this moving along.
>>
>> Kathey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>



Re: In-memory store implementation how to move forward (WAS Re: ICLA's (WAS Re: Looking for Stephen Fitch) (Found!?))

Posted by David Van Couvering <Da...@Sun.COM>.
Great ideas, Kathey, thanks.

Also, I do hope Stephen can be available for quick email consults moving 
forward, if something turns out to be particularly hard to grok.

David

Kathey Marsden wrote:
> Stephen Fitch wrote:
> 
>>
>> 4. As for a functional spec, some of my thesis may not be too bad for 
>> some it.
>>
>> Any suggestions as to what I can try to do withing the next few days 
>> to get this goin?
>>
> If we are looking at a few  days work and then you disappear  maybe ...
> 
> - Attach your thesis to the issue or extract the relevant parts  if you 
> can contribute that.
> - Try to make a detailed list of what you know the outstanding issues  
> and work to be, so it is easy for the next person to pick up.
> - It might be good to schedule an IRC Q&A time  if there are folks  who 
> are interested in acting on this right away they could probe you for 
> information before you disappear.
> 
> Thanks for making the effort to keep this moving along.
> 
> Kathey
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

In-memory store implementation how to move forward (WAS Re: ICLA's (WAS Re: Looking for Stephen Fitch) (Found!?))

Posted by Kathey Marsden <km...@sbcglobal.net>.
Stephen Fitch wrote:

>
> 4. As for a functional spec, some of my thesis may not be too bad for 
> some it.
>
> Any suggestions as to what I can try to do withing the next few days 
> to get this goin?
>
If we are looking at a few  days work and then you disappear  maybe ...

- Attach your thesis to the issue or extract the relevant parts  if you 
can contribute that.
- Try to make a detailed list of what you know the outstanding issues  
and work to be, so it is easy for the next person to pick up.
- It might be good to schedule an IRC Q&A time  if there are folks  who 
are interested in acting on this right away they could probe you for 
information before you disappear.

Thanks for making the effort to keep this moving along.

Kathey






Re: ICLA's (WAS Re: Looking for Stephen Fitch) (Found!?)

Posted by Stephen Fitch <05...@acadiau.ca>.
Sorry for the delay, I'm not keeping as close an eye as I had been on 
the mailing list.

As for several concerns brought up...

1. It is my intention to donate all the code for this implementation to 
the ASF, I don't particularly care about any copyright on it. Anyone can 
use it :)

2. The copyrights in the files were copied from some other derby files 
and I should have brought them up to date, my bad. All code contributed 
was coded by myself over the last year.

3. The implementation as is works with the majority of the derbyall 
suite with a few problems I couldnt track down.  This was accomplished 
by hardcoding MemoryStorageFactory as the storagefactory for the 
directory subsubprotocol.  This is obviously a suboptimal solution but 
it does work. Any suggestions on a more generic way to test this?

4. As for a functional spec, some of my thesis may not be too bad for 
some it.

Any suggestions as to what I can try to do withing the next few days to 
get this goin?

Stephen



David Van Couvering wrote:
> I agree that this can't be accepted without further work, but at least 
> we can take what he's given us.  I suspect Stephen won't have time to do 
> the tests or functional spec, but perhaps someone with an itch can get 
> that done.  The good news is that that someone is no longer blocked from 
> using his code.
> 
> David
> 
> Satheesh Bandaram wrote:
> 
>> David Van Couvering wrote:
>>
>>> Great news!  Let's hope we can get all the loose ends tied up and get
>>> this contributed!
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>> As anyone tested this, other than the author? Dan seemed to have raised
>> some important concerns. Anyone with itch to follow up this work needs
>> to investigate more, address those concerns and try running all tests.
>> Also would be good to writeup a design or functional spec and get that
>> reviewed.
>>
>> Satheesh
>>
>>> Andrew McIntyre wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/23/06, Darcy Benoit <da...@acadiau.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree with you. One goal of this work was to hopefully bring the
>>>>> code to
>>>>> submission level, so we didn't complete the forms until the code 
>>>>> looked
>>>>> good enough to contribute. I was able to contact Stephen, and he
>>>>> submitted
>>>>> the ICLA forms by fax back in March. Hopefully they are on file
>>>>> somewhere,
>>>>> or he will have to submit them again. I've contacted him and asked
>>>>> him to
>>>>> finish up what is needed so that the code can be submitted to the 
>>>>> tree.
>>>>> Hopefully this will happen soon.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LOL. Yes, it's on file:
>>>>
>>>> http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html
>>>>
>>>> Down at the bottom. Should have checked there to begin with. Thanks,
>>>> Darcy. Sorry for all the noise.
>>>>
>>>> andrew
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> 


Re: ICLA's (WAS Re: Looking for Stephen Fitch)

Posted by David Van Couvering <Da...@Sun.COM>.
I agree that this can't be accepted without further work, but at least 
we can take what he's given us.  I suspect Stephen won't have time to do 
the tests or functional spec, but perhaps someone with an itch can get 
that done.  The good news is that that someone is no longer blocked from 
using his code.

David

Satheesh Bandaram wrote:
> David Van Couvering wrote:
> 
>> Great news!  Let's hope we can get all the loose ends tied up and get
>> this contributed!
>>
>> David
>>
> As anyone tested this, other than the author? Dan seemed to have raised
> some important concerns. Anyone with itch to follow up this work needs
> to investigate more, address those concerns and try running all tests.
> Also would be good to writeup a design or functional spec and get that
> reviewed.
> 
> Satheesh
> 
>> Andrew McIntyre wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/23/06, Darcy Benoit <da...@acadiau.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree with you. One goal of this work was to hopefully bring the
>>>> code to
>>>> submission level, so we didn't complete the forms until the code looked
>>>> good enough to contribute. I was able to contact Stephen, and he
>>>> submitted
>>>> the ICLA forms by fax back in March. Hopefully they are on file
>>>> somewhere,
>>>> or he will have to submit them again. I've contacted him and asked
>>>> him to
>>>> finish up what is needed so that the code can be submitted to the tree.
>>>> Hopefully this will happen soon.
>>>
>>> LOL. Yes, it's on file:
>>>
>>> http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html
>>>
>>> Down at the bottom. Should have checked there to begin with. Thanks,
>>> Darcy. Sorry for all the noise.
>>>
>>> andrew
>>
> 
> 

Re: ICLA's (WAS Re: Looking for Stephen Fitch)

Posted by Satheesh Bandaram <ba...@gmail.com>.
David Van Couvering wrote:

> Great news!  Let's hope we can get all the loose ends tied up and get
> this contributed!
>
> David
>
As anyone tested this, other than the author? Dan seemed to have raised
some important concerns. Anyone with itch to follow up this work needs
to investigate more, address those concerns and try running all tests.
Also would be good to writeup a design or functional spec and get that
reviewed.

Satheesh

> Andrew McIntyre wrote:
>
>> On 5/23/06, Darcy Benoit <da...@acadiau.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I agree with you. One goal of this work was to hopefully bring the
>>> code to
>>> submission level, so we didn't complete the forms until the code looked
>>> good enough to contribute. I was able to contact Stephen, and he
>>> submitted
>>> the ICLA forms by fax back in March. Hopefully they are on file
>>> somewhere,
>>> or he will have to submit them again. I've contacted him and asked
>>> him to
>>> finish up what is needed so that the code can be submitted to the tree.
>>> Hopefully this will happen soon.
>>
>>
>> LOL. Yes, it's on file:
>>
>> http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html
>>
>> Down at the bottom. Should have checked there to begin with. Thanks,
>> Darcy. Sorry for all the noise.
>>
>> andrew
>
>



Re: ICLA's (WAS Re: Looking for Stephen Fitch)

Posted by David Van Couvering <Da...@Sun.COM>.
Great news!  Let's hope we can get all the loose ends tied up and get 
this contributed!

David

Andrew McIntyre wrote:
> On 5/23/06, Darcy Benoit <da...@acadiau.ca> wrote:
>>
>> I agree with you. One goal of this work was to hopefully bring the 
>> code to
>> submission level, so we didn't complete the forms until the code looked
>> good enough to contribute. I was able to contact Stephen, and he 
>> submitted
>> the ICLA forms by fax back in March. Hopefully they are on file 
>> somewhere,
>> or he will have to submit them again. I've contacted him and asked him to
>> finish up what is needed so that the code can be submitted to the tree.
>> Hopefully this will happen soon.
> 
> LOL. Yes, it's on file:
> 
> http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html
> 
> Down at the bottom. Should have checked there to begin with. Thanks,
> Darcy. Sorry for all the noise.
> 
> andrew

Re: ICLA's (WAS Re: Looking for Stephen Fitch)

Posted by Andrew McIntyre <mc...@gmail.com>.
On 5/23/06, Darcy Benoit <da...@acadiau.ca> wrote:
>
> I agree with you. One goal of this work was to hopefully bring the code to
> submission level, so we didn't complete the forms until the code looked
> good enough to contribute. I was able to contact Stephen, and he submitted
> the ICLA forms by fax back in March. Hopefully they are on file somewhere,
> or he will have to submit them again. I've contacted him and asked him to
> finish up what is needed so that the code can be submitted to the tree.
> Hopefully this will happen soon.

LOL. Yes, it's on file:

http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html

Down at the bottom. Should have checked there to begin with. Thanks,
Darcy. Sorry for all the noise.

andrew

Re: ICLA's (WAS Re: Looking for Stephen Fitch)

Posted by Darcy Benoit <da...@acadiau.ca>.
On Tue, 23 May 2006 15:13:55 -0300, Kathey Marsden  
<km...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I think it is good for students  (and everyone)  to complete an ICLA as
> soon as they start working on Derby even before their first
> contribution.  Not only does it protect the work and the project  from
> people going on with their lives, it is good for folks to understand and
> consent to the legalities and copyright  up front, before potentially
> bring in  inappropriate code or finding out after making the effort
> just how generous they are being with their IP.

I agree with you. One goal of this work was to hopefully bring the code to  
submission level, so we didn't complete the forms until the code looked  
good enough to contribute. I was able to contact Stephen, and he submitted  
the ICLA forms by fax back in March. Hopefully they are on file somewhere,  
or he will have to submit them again. I've contacted him and asked him to  
finish up what is needed so that the code can be submitted to the tree.  
Hopefully this will happen soon.

darcy

-- 
Dr. Darcy Benoit
http://cs.acadiau.ca/~dbenoit/

ICLA's (WAS Re: Looking for Stephen Fitch)

Posted by Kathey Marsden <km...@sbcglobal.net>.
I think it is good for students  (and everyone)  to complete an ICLA as 
soon as they start working on Derby even before their first 
contribution.  Not only does it protect the work and the project  from 
people going on with their lives, it is good for folks to understand and 
consent to the legalities and copyright  up front, before potentially 
bring in  inappropriate code or finding out after making the effort  
just how generous they are being with their IP.

Kathey