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Posted to user@ambari.apache.org by "Preston, Dale" <Da...@conocophillips.com> on 2019/11/01 20:42:56 UTC
RE: [EXTERNAL]Difference between installing from Apache vs
Hortonworks
The difference is huge. From Hortonworks, you can install packages using your package manager. Building and deploying from Maven is not a light undertaking. I’ve done it a couple times out of obstinance and stubbornness just to say I had. I was eventually successful but I wouldn’t want to do it again.
From: Reed Villanueva <rv...@ucera.org>
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 3:03 PM
To: user@ambari.apache.org
Subject: [EXTERNAL]Difference between installing from Apache vs Hortonworks
Is there a difference between installing ambari via the apache docs<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FAMBARI%2FInstallation%2BGuide%2Bfor%2BAmbari%2B2.7.3&data=02%7C01%7CDale.Preston%40conocophillips.com%7C6afbf2f6a9384b4a202008d75f09bd49%7Cb449db5ea80a48eba4c23c88bb78353b%7C0%7C0%7C637082367779801165&sdata=IdI5aWHqqlMYdRHoARp9VZG2yrwk3PlKFWWobZ2bRi0%3D&reserved=0> vs Hortonworks docs<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.cloudera.com%2FHDPDocuments%2FAmbari-2.7.4.0%2Fbk_ambari-installation%2Fcontent%2Fdownload_the_ambari_repo_lnx7.html&data=02%7C01%7CDale.Preston%40conocophillips.com%7C6afbf2f6a9384b4a202008d75f09bd49%7Cb449db5ea80a48eba4c23c88bb78353b%7C0%7C0%7C637082367779811161&sdata=maBF6Ne1g5FLapNQ9KtNrRN%2FGO6wmaizEV6kLJNjOWk%3D&reserved=0>?
I assume that the end result is exactly the same since Hortonworks labels the distribution in the docs as "Apache" and the repo they instruct to add uses apache.org<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapache.org&data=02%7C01%7CDale.Preston%40conocophillips.com%7C6afbf2f6a9384b4a202008d75f09bd49%7Cb449db5ea80a48eba4c23c88bb78353b%7C0%7C0%7C637082367779811161&sdata=eEJBH87k2r4eQDk5KZI14nklBCRsS13ORS%2BDJ%2Fel2UI%3D&reserved=0> as the package URL:
[root@HW001 ~]# yum info ambari-server
Installed Packages
Name : ambari-server
Arch : x86_64
Version : 2.7.3.0
Release : 139
Size : 418 M
Repo : installed
From repo : ambari-2.7.3.0
Summary : Ambari Server
URL : http://www.apache.org<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org&data=02%7C01%7CDale.Preston%40conocophillips.com%7C6afbf2f6a9384b4a202008d75f09bd49%7Cb449db5ea80a48eba4c23c88bb78353b%7C0%7C0%7C637082367779811161&sdata=RfXFC7r0uVyvnJgjTHtYRsUe2IBeo10P4Ho53bSg8iI%3D&reserved=0>
License : (c) Apache Software Foundation
Description : Maven Recipe: RPM Package.
However, the installation instructions that the ambari project site links to are different and only involve building from source via maven (and seem to nowhere mention installation options via package manager), so gives me pause as to whether these are exactly the same.
Could anyone with more experience here explain this a bit more to me?
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Re: [EXTERNAL]Difference between installing from Apache vs Hortonworks
Posted by Reed Villanueva <rv...@ucera.org>.
Thanks for the info.
For others, a bit more information from the Cloudera forums can be found
here:
https://community.cloudera.com/t5/Support-Questions/Difference-between-installing-from-Apache-vs-Hortonworks/m-p/281996/highlight/true#M209704
On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 8:46 AM Jonathan Hurley <jh...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> Yes, there is typically a slight difference between the x.y.z version from
> Apache and that offered by Hortonworks. The Hortonworks version usually
> contains several additional fixes that did not make it into the official
> Apache release. Additionally, there are stacks shipped with the Hortonworks
> version which are not shipped with the Apache version.
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 7:13 PM Reed Villanueva <rv...@ucera.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I actually meant something more along the lines of: Is the underlying
>> code any different when getting the same ambari version from Hortonworks vs
>> building from source via the apache docs? And the reason for asking was due
>> to the differences in installation method, yet having both marketed as
>> "Apache".
>>
>> And I agree that the package manager is much easier than via the maven
>> build, but that was partly why I was asking if the actual underlying code
>> had any difference.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 10:51 AM Preston, Dale <
>> Dale.Preston@conocophillips.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The difference is huge. From Hortonworks, you can install packages
>>> using your package manager. Building and deploying from Maven is not a
>>> light undertaking. I’ve done it a couple times out of obstinance and
>>> stubbornness just to say I had. I was eventually successful but I wouldn’t
>>> want to do it again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Reed Villanueva <rv...@ucera.org>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, November 1, 2019 3:03 PM
>>> *To:* user@ambari.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL]Difference between installing from Apache vs
>>> Hortonworks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there a difference between installing ambari via the apache docs
>>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FAMBARI%2FInstallation%2BGuide%2Bfor%2BAmbari%2B2.7.3&data=02%7C01%7CDale.Preston%40conocophillips.com%7C6afbf2f6a9384b4a202008d75f09bd49%7Cb449db5ea80a48eba4c23c88bb78353b%7C0%7C0%7C637082367779801165&sdata=IdI5aWHqqlMYdRHoARp9VZG2yrwk3PlKFWWobZ2bRi0%3D&reserved=0>
>>> vs Hortonworks docs
>>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.cloudera.com%2FHDPDocuments%2FAmbari-2.7.4.0%2Fbk_ambari-installation%2Fcontent%2Fdownload_the_ambari_repo_lnx7.html&data=02%7C01%7CDale.Preston%40conocophillips.com%7C6afbf2f6a9384b4a202008d75f09bd49%7Cb449db5ea80a48eba4c23c88bb78353b%7C0%7C0%7C637082367779811161&sdata=maBF6Ne1g5FLapNQ9KtNrRN%2FGO6wmaizEV6kLJNjOWk%3D&reserved=0>
>>> ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I assume that the end result is exactly the same since Hortonworks
>>> labels the distribution in the docs as "Apache" and the repo they instruct
>>> to add uses apache.org
>>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapache.org&data=02%7C01%7CDale.Preston%40conocophillips.com%7C6afbf2f6a9384b4a202008d75f09bd49%7Cb449db5ea80a48eba4c23c88bb78353b%7C0%7C0%7C637082367779811161&sdata=eEJBH87k2r4eQDk5KZI14nklBCRsS13ORS%2BDJ%2Fel2UI%3D&reserved=0>
>>> as the package URL:
>>>
>>> [root@HW001 ~]# yum info ambari-server
>>> Installed Packages
>>> Name : ambari-server
>>> Arch : x86_64
>>> Version : 2.7.3.0
>>> Release : 139
>>> Size : 418 M
>>> Repo : installed
>>> From repo : ambari-2.7.3.0
>>> Summary : Ambari Server
>>> URL : http://www.apache.org
>>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org&data=02%7C01%7CDale.Preston%40conocophillips.com%7C6afbf2f6a9384b4a202008d75f09bd49%7Cb449db5ea80a48eba4c23c88bb78353b%7C0%7C0%7C637082367779811161&sdata=RfXFC7r0uVyvnJgjTHtYRsUe2IBeo10P4Ho53bSg8iI%3D&reserved=0>
>>> License : (c) Apache Software Foundation
>>> Description : Maven Recipe: RPM Package.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However, the installation instructions that the ambari project site
>>> links to are different and only involve building from source via maven (and
>>> seem to nowhere mention installation options via package manager), so gives
>>> me pause as to whether these are exactly the same.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Could anyone with more experience here explain this a bit more to me?
>>>
>>>
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Re: [EXTERNAL]Difference between installing from Apache vs Hortonworks
Posted by Jonathan Hurley <jh...@cloudera.com>.
Yes, there is typically a slight difference between the x.y.z version from
Apache and that offered by Hortonworks. The Hortonworks version usually
contains several additional fixes that did not make it into the official
Apache release. Additionally, there are stacks shipped with the Hortonworks
version which are not shipped with the Apache version.
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 7:13 PM Reed Villanueva <rv...@ucera.org>
wrote:
> I actually meant something more along the lines of: Is the underlying code
> any different when getting the same ambari version from Hortonworks vs
> building from source via the apache docs? And the reason for asking was due
> to the differences in installation method, yet having both marketed as
> "Apache".
>
> And I agree that the package manager is much easier than via the maven
> build, but that was partly why I was asking if the actual underlying code
> had any difference.
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 10:51 AM Preston, Dale <
> Dale.Preston@conocophillips.com> wrote:
>
>> The difference is huge. From Hortonworks, you can install packages using
>> your package manager. Building and deploying from Maven is not a light
>> undertaking. I’ve done it a couple times out of obstinance and
>> stubbornness just to say I had. I was eventually successful but I wouldn’t
>> want to do it again.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Reed Villanueva <rv...@ucera.org>
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 1, 2019 3:03 PM
>> *To:* user@ambari.apache.org
>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL]Difference between installing from Apache vs
>> Hortonworks
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there a difference between installing ambari via the apache docs
>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FAMBARI%2FInstallation%2BGuide%2Bfor%2BAmbari%2B2.7.3&data=02%7C01%7CDale.Preston%40conocophillips.com%7C6afbf2f6a9384b4a202008d75f09bd49%7Cb449db5ea80a48eba4c23c88bb78353b%7C0%7C0%7C637082367779801165&sdata=IdI5aWHqqlMYdRHoARp9VZG2yrwk3PlKFWWobZ2bRi0%3D&reserved=0>
>> vs Hortonworks docs
>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.cloudera.com%2FHDPDocuments%2FAmbari-2.7.4.0%2Fbk_ambari-installation%2Fcontent%2Fdownload_the_ambari_repo_lnx7.html&data=02%7C01%7CDale.Preston%40conocophillips.com%7C6afbf2f6a9384b4a202008d75f09bd49%7Cb449db5ea80a48eba4c23c88bb78353b%7C0%7C0%7C637082367779811161&sdata=maBF6Ne1g5FLapNQ9KtNrRN%2FGO6wmaizEV6kLJNjOWk%3D&reserved=0>
>> ?
>>
>>
>>
>> I assume that the end result is exactly the same since Hortonworks labels
>> the distribution in the docs as "Apache" and the repo they instruct to add
>> uses apache.org
>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapache.org&data=02%7C01%7CDale.Preston%40conocophillips.com%7C6afbf2f6a9384b4a202008d75f09bd49%7Cb449db5ea80a48eba4c23c88bb78353b%7C0%7C0%7C637082367779811161&sdata=eEJBH87k2r4eQDk5KZI14nklBCRsS13ORS%2BDJ%2Fel2UI%3D&reserved=0>
>> as the package URL:
>>
>> [root@HW001 ~]# yum info ambari-server
>> Installed Packages
>> Name : ambari-server
>> Arch : x86_64
>> Version : 2.7.3.0
>> Release : 139
>> Size : 418 M
>> Repo : installed
>> From repo : ambari-2.7.3.0
>> Summary : Ambari Server
>> URL : http://www.apache.org
>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org&data=02%7C01%7CDale.Preston%40conocophillips.com%7C6afbf2f6a9384b4a202008d75f09bd49%7Cb449db5ea80a48eba4c23c88bb78353b%7C0%7C0%7C637082367779811161&sdata=RfXFC7r0uVyvnJgjTHtYRsUe2IBeo10P4Ho53bSg8iI%3D&reserved=0>
>> License : (c) Apache Software Foundation
>> Description : Maven Recipe: RPM Package.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, the installation instructions that the ambari project site links
>> to are different and only involve building from source via maven (and seem
>> to nowhere mention installation options via package manager), so gives me
>> pause as to whether these are exactly the same.
>>
>>
>>
>> Could anyone with more experience here explain this a bit more to me?
>>
>>
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Re: [EXTERNAL]Difference between installing from Apache vs Hortonworks
Posted by Reed Villanueva <rv...@ucera.org>.
I actually meant something more along the lines of: Is the underlying code
any different when getting the same ambari version from Hortonworks vs
building from source via the apache docs? And the reason for asking was due
to the differences in installation method, yet having both marketed as
"Apache".
And I agree that the package manager is much easier than via the maven
build, but that was partly why I was asking if the actual underlying code
had any difference.
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 10:51 AM Preston, Dale <
Dale.Preston@conocophillips.com> wrote:
> The difference is huge. From Hortonworks, you can install packages using
> your package manager. Building and deploying from Maven is not a light
> undertaking. I’ve done it a couple times out of obstinance and
> stubbornness just to say I had. I was eventually successful but I wouldn’t
> want to do it again.
>
>
>
> *From:* Reed Villanueva <rv...@ucera.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 1, 2019 3:03 PM
> *To:* user@ambari.apache.org
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL]Difference between installing from Apache vs
> Hortonworks
>
>
>
> Is there a difference between installing ambari via the apache docs
> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FAMBARI%2FInstallation%2BGuide%2Bfor%2BAmbari%2B2.7.3&data=02%7C01%7CDale.Preston%40conocophillips.com%7C6afbf2f6a9384b4a202008d75f09bd49%7Cb449db5ea80a48eba4c23c88bb78353b%7C0%7C0%7C637082367779801165&sdata=IdI5aWHqqlMYdRHoARp9VZG2yrwk3PlKFWWobZ2bRi0%3D&reserved=0>
> vs Hortonworks docs
> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.cloudera.com%2FHDPDocuments%2FAmbari-2.7.4.0%2Fbk_ambari-installation%2Fcontent%2Fdownload_the_ambari_repo_lnx7.html&data=02%7C01%7CDale.Preston%40conocophillips.com%7C6afbf2f6a9384b4a202008d75f09bd49%7Cb449db5ea80a48eba4c23c88bb78353b%7C0%7C0%7C637082367779811161&sdata=maBF6Ne1g5FLapNQ9KtNrRN%2FGO6wmaizEV6kLJNjOWk%3D&reserved=0>
> ?
>
>
>
> I assume that the end result is exactly the same since Hortonworks labels
> the distribution in the docs as "Apache" and the repo they instruct to add
> uses apache.org
> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapache.org&data=02%7C01%7CDale.Preston%40conocophillips.com%7C6afbf2f6a9384b4a202008d75f09bd49%7Cb449db5ea80a48eba4c23c88bb78353b%7C0%7C0%7C637082367779811161&sdata=eEJBH87k2r4eQDk5KZI14nklBCRsS13ORS%2BDJ%2Fel2UI%3D&reserved=0>
> as the package URL:
>
> [root@HW001 ~]# yum info ambari-server
> Installed Packages
> Name : ambari-server
> Arch : x86_64
> Version : 2.7.3.0
> Release : 139
> Size : 418 M
> Repo : installed
> From repo : ambari-2.7.3.0
> Summary : Ambari Server
> URL : http://www.apache.org
> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org&data=02%7C01%7CDale.Preston%40conocophillips.com%7C6afbf2f6a9384b4a202008d75f09bd49%7Cb449db5ea80a48eba4c23c88bb78353b%7C0%7C0%7C637082367779811161&sdata=RfXFC7r0uVyvnJgjTHtYRsUe2IBeo10P4Ho53bSg8iI%3D&reserved=0>
> License : (c) Apache Software Foundation
> Description : Maven Recipe: RPM Package.
>
>
>
> However, the installation instructions that the ambari project site links
> to are different and only involve building from source via maven (and seem
> to nowhere mention installation options via package manager), so gives me
> pause as to whether these are exactly the same.
>
>
>
> Could anyone with more experience here explain this a bit more to me?
>
>
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