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Posted to dev@geronimo.apache.org by Joe Bohn <jo...@earthlink.net> on 2005/12/06 15:59:16 UTC
Confluence link on the welcome pages
When creating the Welcome Page with the new look & feel and the web
console welcome portlet I included a link to the current confluence
documentation. This is the "Additional Documentation" link. I added
it because I was thinking that this documentation was too good to not
have an easy way for the end user to access it and was curious to see if
anybody would complain.
Given all of the debate about confluence and the possibility that the
current confluence content may or may not be moving into a more official
site, I guess I should remove these links. Hopefully, whatever is
decided will ensure that this documentation is readily available to the
users for V1 (even if it requires one level of indirection). So I'll go
ahead and remove the links unless somebody really, really, thinks we
should keep them.
BTW, if we do make a complete change from the wiki to confluence is
there any possibility that we could keep the same URL? The Welcome page
has always included a link to the wiki and it would be great if this
didn't become a dead link on the installed images. It would probably be
better if we removed all of the links on the welcome page and the web
console welcome portlet and just point the user to the Geronimo home
page. This would allow us to keep things "up to date". Should I go
ahead and make this change too while updating the welcome page and the
web console welcome portlet?
Joe
--
Joe Bohn
joe.bohn@earthlink.net
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot
lose." -- Jim Elliot
Re: Confluence link on the welcome pages
Posted by Jason Dillon <ja...@planet57.com>.
FYI, http://geronimo.zones.apache.org is now licensed.
We have an OSS 200 user license at the moment, which should be fine
for now. I'm asking about getting an unlimited now.
--jason
On Dec 6, 2005, at 7:24 AM, Hernan Cunico wrote:
> Hi All,
> I would like to keep the link to the confluence site (the one
> hosted by Atlassian). Jason is working on getting a confluence site
> (licensed) hosted in one of the zones. Whenever the decision is
> taken on (if) moving the wiki, then we can update the console in
> the next refresh or as an intermediate "fix".
>
> For an immediate (but yet temporary) solution I would suggest, once
> the confluence doc is officially moved (if it is moved), to have a
> redirect on the Atlassian site.
>
> Cheers!
> Hernan
>
> Joe Bohn wrote:
>> When creating the Welcome Page with the new look & feel and the
>> web console welcome portlet I included a link to the current
>> confluence documentation. This is the "Additional Documentation"
>> link. I added it because I was thinking that this documentation
>> was too good to not have an easy way for the end user to access it
>> and was curious to see if anybody would complain.
>> Given all of the debate about confluence and the possibility that
>> the current confluence content may or may not be moving into a
>> more official site, I guess I should remove these links.
>> Hopefully, whatever is decided will ensure that this documentation
>> is readily available to the users for V1 (even if it requires one
>> level of indirection). So I'll go ahead and remove the links
>> unless somebody really, really, thinks we should keep them.
>> BTW, if we do make a complete change from the wiki to confluence
>> is there any possibility that we could keep the same URL? The
>> Welcome page has always included a link to the wiki and it would
>> be great if this didn't become a dead link on the installed
>> images. It would probably be better if we removed all of the
>> links on the welcome page and the web console welcome portlet and
>> just point the user to the Geronimo home page. This would allow
>> us to keep things "up to date". Should I go ahead and make this
>> change too while updating the welcome page and the web console
>> welcome portlet?
>> Joe
Re: Confluence link on the welcome pages
Posted by Paul McMahan <pa...@gmail.com>.
I opened JIRA 1318 and attached a patch that will create html files in the
geronimo.apache.org web site that redirect to the appropriate locations.
http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-1318
If a commiter could please inspect and apply that patch and then regen the
website it will allow Joe to adjust the links in the welcome portlet and
welcome application via JIRA 1300
http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-1300
The redirect mapping is as follows. I did not create redirects for web
pages that are already hosted under geronimo.apache.org (e.g. downloads).
Geronimo Wiki
http://geronimo.apache.org/redirects/wiki.html
redirects to ==> http://wiki.apache.org/geronimo
Confluence documentation
http://geronimo.apache.org/redirects/additionalDocumentation.html
redirects to ==>
http://opensource2.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO/Home
Samples in Confluence
http://geronimo.apache.org/redirects/additionalSamples.html
redirects to ==>
http://opensource2.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO/Samples+for+Apache+Geronimo
Developer mailing list archive
http://geronimo.apache.org/redirects/developerMailingList.html
redirects to ==> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-dev/
User mailing list archive
http://geronimo.apache.org/redirects/userMailingList.html
redirects to ==> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-user/
JIRA
http://geronimo.apache.org/redirects/issues.html
redirects to ==>
http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=10220
Best wishes,
Paul
On 12/6/05, Joe Bohn <jo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> Dain,
>
> Sounds like a good idea. Will you be creating these URLs with the
> redirects (I assume only a committer can do this)? If you let me know
> when they are complete I'll update the web console welcome and welcome
> page to reference these instead. We would need these links (just one or
> two additions to your list Dain):
>
> http://geronimo.apache.org/issues ==> jira (problem tracking)
> http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki ==> our current wiki
> http://geronimo.apache.org/download ==> our download page
> http://geronimo.apache.org/IRC ==> IRC - do we need a redirect for this?
> http://geronimo.apache.org/moreSamples ==> Additional Samples (on
> confluence)
> http://geronimo.apache.org/confluence ==> Confluence ***
>
> *** Based on the earlier responses I assume that we want to keep the
> confluence link on the welcome pages. Would this not be needed with the
> PDF that is also being discussed or do we also want the live link as well?
>
>
> There are a few others but they are already hosted in geronimo.apache
> such as Documentation, FAQs, dev & user mail archives.
>
> Joe
>
> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> > +1 lets define some URLs under geronimo.apache.org and setup redirect
> > rules for them
> >
> > I suggest the following:
> >
> > http://geronimo.apache.org/issues ==> jira insall
> > http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki ==> our current wiki
> > http://geronimo.apache.org/download ==> our download page
> >
> > maybe
> >
> > http://geronimo.apache.org/documentation
> > http://geronimo.apache.org/source
> >
> > -dain
> >
> > On Dec 6, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Paul McMahan wrote:
> >
> >> I agree with Hernan that the current links in the welcome portlet are
> >> very helpful. But I think we should only keep them if we can be sure
> >> they won't change in the foreseeable future. IMO the best way to
> >> ensure that would be to set up redirects and/or aliases under the
> >> HTTP server for geronimo.apache.org.
> >>
> >> For example, the "Problem Tracking Database" link in the welcome
> >> portlet currently points at :
> >> http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=10220
> >> But it's likely that URL could become stale within the lifespan of
> >> the Geronimo 1.0 console.
> >>
> >> So instead the welcome portlet could point at:
> >> http://geronimo.apache.org/problems
> >> and the server could redirect to the actual address.
> >>
> >> Can someone familiar with how the geronimo.apache.org HTTP server is
> >> administered please advise whether or not this sounds like a
> >> reasonable approach?
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/6/05, Hernan Cunico <hc...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi All,
> >> I would like to keep the link to the confluence site (the one hosted
> by
> >> Atlassian). Jason is working on getting a confluence site (licensed)
> >> hosted in one of the zones. Whenever the decision is taken on (if)
> >> moving the wiki, then we can update the console in the next refresh or
> >> as an intermediate "fix".
> >>
> >> For an immediate (but yet temporary) solution I would suggest,
> once the
> >> confluence doc is officially moved (if it is moved), to have
> a redirect
> >> on the Atlassian site.
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >> Hernan
> >>
> >> Joe Bohn wrote:
> >> >
> >> > When creating the Welcome Page with the new look & feel and the web
> >> > console welcome portlet I included a link to the current confluence
> >> > documentation. This is the "Additional Documentation"
> link. I added
> >> > it because I was thinking that this documentation was too good
> to not
> >> > have an easy way for the end user to access it and was curious to
> >> see if
> >> > anybody would complain.
> >> >
> >> > Given all of the debate about confluence and the possibility
> that the
> >> > current confluence content may or may not be moving into a more
> >> official
> >> > site, I guess I should remove these links. Hopefully, whatever is
> >> > decided will ensure that this documentation is readily available to
> >> the
> >> > users for V1 (even if it requires one level of indirection). So
> >> I'll go
> >> > ahead and remove the links unless somebody really, really, thinks we
> >> > should keep them.
> >> >
> >> > BTW, if we do make a complete change from the wiki to confluence is
> >> > there any possibility that we could keep the same URL? The Welcome
> >> page
> >> > has always included a link to the wiki and it would be great if this
> >> > didn't become a dead link on the installed images. It would
> >> probably be
> >> > better if we removed all of the links on the welcome page and
> the web
> >> > console welcome portlet and just point the user to the Geronimo home
> >> > page. This would allow us to keep things "up to date". Should I go
> >> > ahead and make this change too while updating the welcome page and
> the
> >> > web console welcome portlet?
> >> >
> >> > Joe
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Joe Bohn
> joe.bohn@earthlink.net
>
> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot
> lose." -- Jim Elliot
>
Re: Confluence link on the welcome pages
Posted by Jason Dillon <ja...@planet57.com>.
FYI, this is done.
I just reimported the documentation draft into the GDOCv1 space.
I also renamed MAIN to GERONIMO, and DEV to GDEV, to support a more
flexible namespace to allow sub-projects a space if they want.
I will see about getting email notifications enabled for this instance.
--jason
Re: Confluence link on the welcome pages
Posted by Dave Colasurdo <da...@earthlink.net>.
The main welcome page (http://localhost:8080) also contains links to the
installed samples as well as a link to download additional samples.
Currently it points to:
http://opensource2.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO/Samples+for+Apache+Geronimo
I'm assuming Hernan is going to move the existing confluence articles to
the geronimo zone. So, should the "additional Samples" link now point
directly to the geronimo zone or does it also need a redirect from the
main Apache site. I'm hoping users can get to additional samples with
one click..
Thanks
-Dave-
Hernan Cunico wrote:
> Jason D. just got a license for the confluence hosted within the ASF
> ...
> FYI, http://geronimo.zones.apache.org is now licensed.
>
> We have an OSS 200 user license at the moment, which should be fine for
> now. I'm asking about getting an unlimited now.
>
> --jason
> ...
>
> Can't we just move the confuence (on Atlassian) V1 Documentation Draft
> over here!?
>
> Cheers!
> Hernan
>
> Aaron Mulder wrote:
>
>> I would prefer to try to keep the documentation index together and
>> direct people to a documentation page on the Geronimo site, and from
>> there have links to all the documentation sources -- Confluence,
>> MoinMoin, the online books, etc. I'm not sure it behooves us to try
>> to break out separate links to each one on the welcome page and so on.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Aaron
>>
>> On 12/6/05, Joe Bohn <jo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Dain,
>>>
>>> Sounds like a good idea. Will you be creating these URLs with the
>>> redirects (I assume only a committer can do this)? If you let me know
>>> when they are complete I'll update the web console welcome and welcome
>>> page to reference these instead. We would need these links (just one or
>>> two additions to your list Dain):
>>>
>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/issues ==> jira (problem tracking)
>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki ==> our current wiki
>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/download ==> our download page
>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/IRC ==> IRC - do we need a redirect for this?
>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/moreSamples ==> Additional Samples (on
>>> confluence)
>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/confluence ==> Confluence ***
>>>
>>> *** Based on the earlier responses I assume that we want to keep the
>>> confluence link on the welcome pages. Would this not be needed with the
>>> PDF that is also being discussed or do we also want the live link as
>>> well?
>>>
>>>
>>> There are a few others but they are already hosted in geronimo.apache
>>> such as Documentation, FAQs, dev & user mail archives.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 lets define some URLs under geronimo.apache.org and setup redirect
>>>> rules for them
>>>>
>>>> I suggest the following:
>>>>
>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/issues ==> jira insall
>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki ==> our current wiki
>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/download ==> our download page
>>>>
>>>> maybe
>>>>
>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/documentation
>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/source
>>>>
>>>> -dain
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 6, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Paul McMahan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Hernan that the current links in the welcome portlet are
>>>>> very helpful. But I think we should only keep them if we can be sure
>>>>> they won't change in the foreseeable future. IMO the best way to
>>>>> ensure that would be to set up redirects and/or aliases under the
>>>>> HTTP server for geronimo.apache.org.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example, the "Problem Tracking Database" link in the welcome
>>>>> portlet currently points at :
>>>>> http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=10220
>>>>> But it's likely that URL could become stale within the lifespan of
>>>>> the Geronimo 1.0 console.
>>>>>
>>>>> So instead the welcome portlet could point at:
>>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/problems
>>>>> and the server could redirect to the actual address.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can someone familiar with how the geronimo.apache.org HTTP server is
>>>>> administered please advise whether or not this sounds like a
>>>>> reasonable approach?
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/6/05, Hernan Cunico <hc...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi All,
>>>>> I would like to keep the link to the confluence site (the one
>>>>> hosted by
>>>>> Atlassian). Jason is working on getting a confluence site (licensed)
>>>>> hosted in one of the zones. Whenever the decision is taken on (if)
>>>>> moving the wiki, then we can update the console in the next refresh or
>>>>> as an intermediate "fix".
>>>>>
>>>>> For an immediate (but yet temporary) solution I would suggest,
>>>>> once the
>>>>> confluence doc is officially moved (if it is moved), to have a
>>>>> redirect
>>>>> on the Atlassian site.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>> Hernan
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Bohn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> When creating the Welcome Page with the new look & feel and the web
>>>>>> console welcome portlet I included a link to the current confluence
>>>>>> documentation. This is the "Additional Documentation" link. I
>>>>>> added
>>>>>> it because I was thinking that this documentation was too good to
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> have an easy way for the end user to access it and was curious to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> see if
>>>>>
>>>>>> anybody would complain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given all of the debate about confluence and the possibility that
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> current confluence content may or may not be moving into a more
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> official
>>>>>
>>>>>> site, I guess I should remove these links. Hopefully, whatever is
>>>>>> decided will ensure that this documentation is readily available to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> users for V1 (even if it requires one level of indirection). So
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll go
>>>>>
>>>>>> ahead and remove the links unless somebody really, really, thinks we
>>>>>> should keep them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, if we do make a complete change from the wiki to confluence is
>>>>>> there any possibility that we could keep the same URL? The Welcome
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> page
>>>>>
>>>>>> has always included a link to the wiki and it would be great if this
>>>>>> didn't become a dead link on the installed images. It would
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> probably be
>>>>>
>>>>>> better if we removed all of the links on the welcome page and the
>>>>>> web
>>>>>> console welcome portlet and just point the user to the Geronimo home
>>>>>> page. This would allow us to keep things "up to date". Should I go
>>>>>> ahead and make this change too while updating the welcome page
>>>>>> and the
>>>>>> web console welcome portlet?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Joe Bohn
>>> joe.bohn@earthlink.net
>>>
>>> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot
>>> lose." -- Jim Elliot
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Confluence link on the welcome pages
Posted by Jason Dillon <ja...@planet57.com>.
I will reimport again tomorrow and migrate all of the content to the
DOC10 space.
I will let ya know when its done.
Um, not sure but we might want to limit write to the DOC10 space to
publishers, not just anyone who creates an account. We can create a
community space as a free for all, but we might want to keep a
tighter leash on the docs.
Anyways, just a thought. Now I gotta crash and get some sleep.
--jason
On Dec 6, 2005, at 1:01 PM, Hernan Cunico wrote:
> Jason D. just got a license for the confluence hosted within the ASF
> ...
> FYI, http://geronimo.zones.apache.org is now licensed.
>
> We have an OSS 200 user license at the moment, which should be
> fine for now. I'm asking about getting an unlimited now.
>
> --jason
> ...
>
> Can't we just move the confuence (on Atlassian) V1 Documentation
> Draft over here!?
>
> Cheers!
> Hernan
>
> Aaron Mulder wrote:
>> I would prefer to try to keep the documentation index together and
>> direct people to a documentation page on the Geronimo site, and from
>> there have links to all the documentation sources -- Confluence,
>> MoinMoin, the online books, etc. I'm not sure it behooves us to try
>> to break out separate links to each one on the welcome page and so
>> on.
>> Thanks,
>> Aaron
>> On 12/6/05, Joe Bohn <jo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Dain,
>>>
>>> Sounds like a good idea. Will you be creating these URLs with the
>>> redirects (I assume only a committer can do this)? If you let
>>> me know
>>> when they are complete I'll update the web console welcome and
>>> welcome
>>> page to reference these instead. We would need these links (just
>>> one or
>>> two additions to your list Dain):
>>>
>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/issues ==> jira (problem tracking)
>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki ==> our current wiki
>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/download ==> our download page
>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/IRC ==> IRC - do we need a redirect
>>> for this?
>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/moreSamples ==> Additional Samples (on
>>> confluence)
>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/confluence ==> Confluence ***
>>>
>>> *** Based on the earlier responses I assume that we want to keep the
>>> confluence link on the welcome pages. Would this not be needed
>>> with the
>>> PDF that is also being discussed or do we also want the live link
>>> as well?
>>>
>>>
>>> There are a few others but they are already hosted in
>>> geronimo.apache
>>> such as Documentation, FAQs, dev & user mail archives.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 lets define some URLs under geronimo.apache.org and setup
>>>> redirect
>>>> rules for them
>>>>
>>>> I suggest the following:
>>>>
>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/issues ==> jira insall
>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki ==> our current wiki
>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/download ==> our download page
>>>>
>>>> maybe
>>>>
>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/documentation
>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/source
>>>>
>>>> -dain
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 6, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Paul McMahan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Hernan that the current links in the welcome
>>>>> portlet are
>>>>> very helpful. But I think we should only keep them if we can
>>>>> be sure
>>>>> they won't change in the foreseeable future. IMO the best way to
>>>>> ensure that would be to set up redirects and/or aliases under the
>>>>> HTTP server for geronimo.apache.org.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example, the "Problem Tracking Database" link in the welcome
>>>>> portlet currently points at :
>>>>> http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=10220
>>>>> But it's likely that URL could become stale within the lifespan of
>>>>> the Geronimo 1.0 console.
>>>>>
>>>>> So instead the welcome portlet could point at:
>>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/problems
>>>>> and the server could redirect to the actual address.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can someone familiar with how the geronimo.apache.org HTTP
>>>>> server is
>>>>> administered please advise whether or not this sounds like a
>>>>> reasonable approach?
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/6/05, Hernan Cunico <hc...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi All,
>>>>> I would like to keep the link to the confluence site (the one
>>>>> hosted by
>>>>> Atlassian). Jason is working on getting a confluence site
>>>>> (licensed)
>>>>> hosted in one of the zones. Whenever the decision is taken on (if)
>>>>> moving the wiki, then we can update the console in the next
>>>>> refresh or
>>>>> as an intermediate "fix".
>>>>>
>>>>> For an immediate (but yet temporary) solution I would suggest,
>>>>> once the
>>>>> confluence doc is officially moved (if it is moved), to have a
>>>>> redirect
>>>>> on the Atlassian site.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>> Hernan
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Bohn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> When creating the Welcome Page with the new look & feel and
>>>>>> the web
>>>>>> console welcome portlet I included a link to the current
>>>>>> confluence
>>>>>> documentation. This is the "Additional Documentation" link.
>>>>>> I added
>>>>>> it because I was thinking that this documentation was too good
>>>>>> to not
>>>>>> have an easy way for the end user to access it and was curious to
>>>>>
>>>>> see if
>>>>>
>>>>>> anybody would complain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given all of the debate about confluence and the possibility
>>>>>> that the
>>>>>> current confluence content may or may not be moving into a more
>>>>>
>>>>> official
>>>>>
>>>>>> site, I guess I should remove these links. Hopefully,
>>>>>> whatever is
>>>>>> decided will ensure that this documentation is readily
>>>>>> available to
>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> users for V1 (even if it requires one level of indirection). So
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll go
>>>>>
>>>>>> ahead and remove the links unless somebody really, really,
>>>>>> thinks we
>>>>>> should keep them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, if we do make a complete change from the wiki to
>>>>>> confluence is
>>>>>> there any possibility that we could keep the same URL? The
>>>>>> Welcome
>>>>>
>>>>> page
>>>>>
>>>>>> has always included a link to the wiki and it would be great
>>>>>> if this
>>>>>> didn't become a dead link on the installed images. It would
>>>>>
>>>>> probably be
>>>>>
>>>>>> better if we removed all of the links on the welcome page and
>>>>>> the web
>>>>>> console welcome portlet and just point the user to the
>>>>>> Geronimo home
>>>>>> page. This would allow us to keep things "up to date".
>>>>>> Should I go
>>>>>> ahead and make this change too while updating the welcome
>>>>>> page and the
>>>>>> web console welcome portlet?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Joe Bohn
>>> joe.bohn@earthlink.net
>>>
>>> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot
>>> lose." -- Jim Elliot
>>>
Re: Confluence link on the welcome pages
Posted by Hernan Cunico <hc...@gmail.com>.
Jason D. just got a license for the confluence hosted within the ASF
...
FYI, http://geronimo.zones.apache.org is now licensed.
We have an OSS 200 user license at the moment, which should be fine for
now. I'm asking about getting an unlimited now.
--jason
...
Can't we just move the confuence (on Atlassian) V1 Documentation Draft
over here!?
Cheers!
Hernan
Aaron Mulder wrote:
> I would prefer to try to keep the documentation index together and
> direct people to a documentation page on the Geronimo site, and from
> there have links to all the documentation sources -- Confluence,
> MoinMoin, the online books, etc. I'm not sure it behooves us to try
> to break out separate links to each one on the welcome page and so on.
>
> Thanks,
> Aaron
>
> On 12/6/05, Joe Bohn <jo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>Dain,
>>
>>Sounds like a good idea. Will you be creating these URLs with the
>>redirects (I assume only a committer can do this)? If you let me know
>>when they are complete I'll update the web console welcome and welcome
>>page to reference these instead. We would need these links (just one or
>>two additions to your list Dain):
>>
>>http://geronimo.apache.org/issues ==> jira (problem tracking)
>>http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki ==> our current wiki
>>http://geronimo.apache.org/download ==> our download page
>>http://geronimo.apache.org/IRC ==> IRC - do we need a redirect for this?
>>http://geronimo.apache.org/moreSamples ==> Additional Samples (on
>>confluence)
>>http://geronimo.apache.org/confluence ==> Confluence ***
>>
>>*** Based on the earlier responses I assume that we want to keep the
>>confluence link on the welcome pages. Would this not be needed with the
>>PDF that is also being discussed or do we also want the live link as well?
>>
>>
>>There are a few others but they are already hosted in geronimo.apache
>>such as Documentation, FAQs, dev & user mail archives.
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>
>>>+1 lets define some URLs under geronimo.apache.org and setup redirect
>>>rules for them
>>>
>>>I suggest the following:
>>>
>>>http://geronimo.apache.org/issues ==> jira insall
>>>http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki ==> our current wiki
>>>http://geronimo.apache.org/download ==> our download page
>>>
>>>maybe
>>>
>>>http://geronimo.apache.org/documentation
>>>http://geronimo.apache.org/source
>>>
>>>-dain
>>>
>>>On Dec 6, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Paul McMahan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I agree with Hernan that the current links in the welcome portlet are
>>>>very helpful. But I think we should only keep them if we can be sure
>>>>they won't change in the foreseeable future. IMO the best way to
>>>>ensure that would be to set up redirects and/or aliases under the
>>>>HTTP server for geronimo.apache.org.
>>>>
>>>>For example, the "Problem Tracking Database" link in the welcome
>>>>portlet currently points at :
>>>>http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=10220
>>>>But it's likely that URL could become stale within the lifespan of
>>>>the Geronimo 1.0 console.
>>>>
>>>>So instead the welcome portlet could point at:
>>>>http://geronimo.apache.org/problems
>>>>and the server could redirect to the actual address.
>>>>
>>>>Can someone familiar with how the geronimo.apache.org HTTP server is
>>>>administered please advise whether or not this sounds like a
>>>>reasonable approach?
>>>>
>>>>thanks,
>>>>Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 12/6/05, Hernan Cunico <hc...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi All,
>>>>I would like to keep the link to the confluence site (the one hosted by
>>>>Atlassian). Jason is working on getting a confluence site (licensed)
>>>>hosted in one of the zones. Whenever the decision is taken on (if)
>>>>moving the wiki, then we can update the console in the next refresh or
>>>>as an intermediate "fix".
>>>>
>>>>For an immediate (but yet temporary) solution I would suggest, once the
>>>>confluence doc is officially moved (if it is moved), to have a redirect
>>>>on the Atlassian site.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers!
>>>>Hernan
>>>>
>>>>Joe Bohn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>When creating the Welcome Page with the new look & feel and the web
>>>>>console welcome portlet I included a link to the current confluence
>>>>>documentation. This is the "Additional Documentation" link. I added
>>>>>it because I was thinking that this documentation was too good to not
>>>>>have an easy way for the end user to access it and was curious to
>>>>
>>>>see if
>>>>
>>>>>anybody would complain.
>>>>>
>>>>>Given all of the debate about confluence and the possibility that the
>>>>>current confluence content may or may not be moving into a more
>>>>
>>>>official
>>>>
>>>>>site, I guess I should remove these links. Hopefully, whatever is
>>>>>decided will ensure that this documentation is readily available to
>>>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>users for V1 (even if it requires one level of indirection). So
>>>>
>>>>I'll go
>>>>
>>>>>ahead and remove the links unless somebody really, really, thinks we
>>>>>should keep them.
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW, if we do make a complete change from the wiki to confluence is
>>>>>there any possibility that we could keep the same URL? The Welcome
>>>>
>>>>page
>>>>
>>>>>has always included a link to the wiki and it would be great if this
>>>>>didn't become a dead link on the installed images. It would
>>>>
>>>>probably be
>>>>
>>>>>better if we removed all of the links on the welcome page and the web
>>>>>console welcome portlet and just point the user to the Geronimo home
>>>>>page. This would allow us to keep things "up to date". Should I go
>>>>>ahead and make this change too while updating the welcome page and the
>>>>>web console welcome portlet?
>>>>>
>>>>>Joe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Joe Bohn
>>joe.bohn@earthlink.net
>>
>>"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot
>>lose." -- Jim Elliot
>>
>
>
Re: Confluence link on the welcome pages
Posted by Aaron Mulder <am...@alumni.princeton.edu>.
I would prefer to try to keep the documentation index together and
direct people to a documentation page on the Geronimo site, and from
there have links to all the documentation sources -- Confluence,
MoinMoin, the online books, etc. I'm not sure it behooves us to try
to break out separate links to each one on the welcome page and so on.
Thanks,
Aaron
On 12/6/05, Joe Bohn <jo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Dain,
>
> Sounds like a good idea. Will you be creating these URLs with the
> redirects (I assume only a committer can do this)? If you let me know
> when they are complete I'll update the web console welcome and welcome
> page to reference these instead. We would need these links (just one or
> two additions to your list Dain):
>
> http://geronimo.apache.org/issues ==> jira (problem tracking)
> http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki ==> our current wiki
> http://geronimo.apache.org/download ==> our download page
> http://geronimo.apache.org/IRC ==> IRC - do we need a redirect for this?
> http://geronimo.apache.org/moreSamples ==> Additional Samples (on
> confluence)
> http://geronimo.apache.org/confluence ==> Confluence ***
>
> *** Based on the earlier responses I assume that we want to keep the
> confluence link on the welcome pages. Would this not be needed with the
> PDF that is also being discussed or do we also want the live link as well?
>
>
> There are a few others but they are already hosted in geronimo.apache
> such as Documentation, FAQs, dev & user mail archives.
>
> Joe
>
> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> > +1 lets define some URLs under geronimo.apache.org and setup redirect
> > rules for them
> >
> > I suggest the following:
> >
> > http://geronimo.apache.org/issues ==> jira insall
> > http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki ==> our current wiki
> > http://geronimo.apache.org/download ==> our download page
> >
> > maybe
> >
> > http://geronimo.apache.org/documentation
> > http://geronimo.apache.org/source
> >
> > -dain
> >
> > On Dec 6, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Paul McMahan wrote:
> >
> >> I agree with Hernan that the current links in the welcome portlet are
> >> very helpful. But I think we should only keep them if we can be sure
> >> they won't change in the foreseeable future. IMO the best way to
> >> ensure that would be to set up redirects and/or aliases under the
> >> HTTP server for geronimo.apache.org.
> >>
> >> For example, the "Problem Tracking Database" link in the welcome
> >> portlet currently points at :
> >> http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=10220
> >> But it's likely that URL could become stale within the lifespan of
> >> the Geronimo 1.0 console.
> >>
> >> So instead the welcome portlet could point at:
> >> http://geronimo.apache.org/problems
> >> and the server could redirect to the actual address.
> >>
> >> Can someone familiar with how the geronimo.apache.org HTTP server is
> >> administered please advise whether or not this sounds like a
> >> reasonable approach?
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/6/05, Hernan Cunico <hc...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi All,
> >> I would like to keep the link to the confluence site (the one hosted by
> >> Atlassian). Jason is working on getting a confluence site (licensed)
> >> hosted in one of the zones. Whenever the decision is taken on (if)
> >> moving the wiki, then we can update the console in the next refresh or
> >> as an intermediate "fix".
> >>
> >> For an immediate (but yet temporary) solution I would suggest, once the
> >> confluence doc is officially moved (if it is moved), to have a redirect
> >> on the Atlassian site.
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >> Hernan
> >>
> >> Joe Bohn wrote:
> >> >
> >> > When creating the Welcome Page with the new look & feel and the web
> >> > console welcome portlet I included a link to the current confluence
> >> > documentation. This is the "Additional Documentation" link. I added
> >> > it because I was thinking that this documentation was too good to not
> >> > have an easy way for the end user to access it and was curious to
> >> see if
> >> > anybody would complain.
> >> >
> >> > Given all of the debate about confluence and the possibility that the
> >> > current confluence content may or may not be moving into a more
> >> official
> >> > site, I guess I should remove these links. Hopefully, whatever is
> >> > decided will ensure that this documentation is readily available to
> >> the
> >> > users for V1 (even if it requires one level of indirection). So
> >> I'll go
> >> > ahead and remove the links unless somebody really, really, thinks we
> >> > should keep them.
> >> >
> >> > BTW, if we do make a complete change from the wiki to confluence is
> >> > there any possibility that we could keep the same URL? The Welcome
> >> page
> >> > has always included a link to the wiki and it would be great if this
> >> > didn't become a dead link on the installed images. It would
> >> probably be
> >> > better if we removed all of the links on the welcome page and the web
> >> > console welcome portlet and just point the user to the Geronimo home
> >> > page. This would allow us to keep things "up to date". Should I go
> >> > ahead and make this change too while updating the welcome page and the
> >> > web console welcome portlet?
> >> >
> >> > Joe
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Joe Bohn
> joe.bohn@earthlink.net
>
> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot
> lose." -- Jim Elliot
>
Re: Confluence link on the welcome pages
Posted by Joe Bohn <jo...@earthlink.net>.
Dain,
Sounds like a good idea. Will you be creating these URLs with the
redirects (I assume only a committer can do this)? If you let me know
when they are complete I'll update the web console welcome and welcome
page to reference these instead. We would need these links (just one or
two additions to your list Dain):
http://geronimo.apache.org/issues ==> jira (problem tracking)
http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki ==> our current wiki
http://geronimo.apache.org/download ==> our download page
http://geronimo.apache.org/IRC ==> IRC - do we need a redirect for this?
http://geronimo.apache.org/moreSamples ==> Additional Samples (on
confluence)
http://geronimo.apache.org/confluence ==> Confluence ***
*** Based on the earlier responses I assume that we want to keep the
confluence link on the welcome pages. Would this not be needed with the
PDF that is also being discussed or do we also want the live link as well?
There are a few others but they are already hosted in geronimo.apache
such as Documentation, FAQs, dev & user mail archives.
Joe
Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> +1 lets define some URLs under geronimo.apache.org and setup redirect
> rules for them
>
> I suggest the following:
>
> http://geronimo.apache.org/issues ==> jira insall
> http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki ==> our current wiki
> http://geronimo.apache.org/download ==> our download page
>
> maybe
>
> http://geronimo.apache.org/documentation
> http://geronimo.apache.org/source
>
> -dain
>
> On Dec 6, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Paul McMahan wrote:
>
>> I agree with Hernan that the current links in the welcome portlet are
>> very helpful. But I think we should only keep them if we can be sure
>> they won't change in the foreseeable future. IMO the best way to
>> ensure that would be to set up redirects and/or aliases under the
>> HTTP server for geronimo.apache.org.
>>
>> For example, the "Problem Tracking Database" link in the welcome
>> portlet currently points at :
>> http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=10220
>> But it's likely that URL could become stale within the lifespan of
>> the Geronimo 1.0 console.
>>
>> So instead the welcome portlet could point at:
>> http://geronimo.apache.org/problems
>> and the server could redirect to the actual address.
>>
>> Can someone familiar with how the geronimo.apache.org HTTP server is
>> administered please advise whether or not this sounds like a
>> reasonable approach?
>>
>> thanks,
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On 12/6/05, Hernan Cunico <hc...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi All,
>> I would like to keep the link to the confluence site (the one hosted by
>> Atlassian). Jason is working on getting a confluence site (licensed)
>> hosted in one of the zones. Whenever the decision is taken on (if)
>> moving the wiki, then we can update the console in the next refresh or
>> as an intermediate "fix".
>>
>> For an immediate (but yet temporary) solution I would suggest, once the
>> confluence doc is officially moved (if it is moved), to have a redirect
>> on the Atlassian site.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Hernan
>>
>> Joe Bohn wrote:
>> >
>> > When creating the Welcome Page with the new look & feel and the web
>> > console welcome portlet I included a link to the current confluence
>> > documentation. This is the "Additional Documentation" link. I added
>> > it because I was thinking that this documentation was too good to not
>> > have an easy way for the end user to access it and was curious to
>> see if
>> > anybody would complain.
>> >
>> > Given all of the debate about confluence and the possibility that the
>> > current confluence content may or may not be moving into a more
>> official
>> > site, I guess I should remove these links. Hopefully, whatever is
>> > decided will ensure that this documentation is readily available to
>> the
>> > users for V1 (even if it requires one level of indirection). So
>> I'll go
>> > ahead and remove the links unless somebody really, really, thinks we
>> > should keep them.
>> >
>> > BTW, if we do make a complete change from the wiki to confluence is
>> > there any possibility that we could keep the same URL? The Welcome
>> page
>> > has always included a link to the wiki and it would be great if this
>> > didn't become a dead link on the installed images. It would
>> probably be
>> > better if we removed all of the links on the welcome page and the web
>> > console welcome portlet and just point the user to the Geronimo home
>> > page. This would allow us to keep things "up to date". Should I go
>> > ahead and make this change too while updating the welcome page and the
>> > web console welcome portlet?
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
--
Joe Bohn
joe.bohn@earthlink.net
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot
lose." -- Jim Elliot
Re: Confluence link on the welcome pages
Posted by John Sisson <jr...@gmail.com>.
+1
John
Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> +1 lets define some URLs under geronimo.apache.org and setup redirect
> rules for them
>
> I suggest the following:
>
> http://geronimo.apache.org/issues ==> jira insall
> http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki ==> our current wiki
> http://geronimo.apache.org/download ==> our download page
>
> maybe
>
> http://geronimo.apache.org/documentation
> http://geronimo.apache.org/source
>
> -dain
>
> On Dec 6, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Paul McMahan wrote:
>
>> I agree with Hernan that the current links in the welcome portlet
>> are very helpful. But I think we should only keep them if we can be
>> sure they won't change in the foreseeable future. IMO the best way
>> to ensure that would be to set up redirects and/or aliases under the
>> HTTP server for geronimo.apache.org.
>>
>> For example, the "Problem Tracking Database" link in the welcome
>> portlet currently points at :
>> http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=10220
>> But it's likely that URL could become stale within the lifespan of
>> the Geronimo 1.0 console.
>>
>> So instead the welcome portlet could point at:
>> http://geronimo.apache.org/problems
>> and the server could redirect to the actual address.
>>
>> Can someone familiar with how the geronimo.apache.org HTTP server is
>> administered please advise whether or not this sounds like a
>> reasonable approach?
>>
>> thanks,
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On 12/6/05, Hernan Cunico <hc...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi All,
>> I would like to keep the link to the confluence site (the one hosted by
>> Atlassian). Jason is working on getting a confluence site (licensed)
>> hosted in one of the zones. Whenever the decision is taken on (if)
>> moving the wiki, then we can update the console in the next refresh or
>> as an intermediate "fix".
>>
>> For an immediate (but yet temporary) solution I would suggest, once the
>> confluence doc is officially moved (if it is moved), to have a redirect
>> on the Atlassian site.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Hernan
>>
>> Joe Bohn wrote:
>> >
>> > When creating the Welcome Page with the new look & feel and the web
>> > console welcome portlet I included a link to the current confluence
>> > documentation. This is the "Additional Documentation" link. I
>> added
>> > it because I was thinking that this documentation was too good to not
>> > have an easy way for the end user to access it and was curious to
>> see if
>> > anybody would complain.
>> >
>> > Given all of the debate about confluence and the possibility that the
>> > current confluence content may or may not be moving into a more
>> official
>> > site, I guess I should remove these links. Hopefully, whatever is
>> > decided will ensure that this documentation is readily available
>> to the
>> > users for V1 (even if it requires one level of indirection). So
>> I'll go
>> > ahead and remove the links unless somebody really, really, thinks we
>> > should keep them.
>> >
>> > BTW, if we do make a complete change from the wiki to confluence is
>> > there any possibility that we could keep the same URL? The
>> Welcome page
>> > has always included a link to the wiki and it would be great if this
>> > didn't become a dead link on the installed images. It would
>> probably be
>> > better if we removed all of the links on the welcome page and the web
>> > console welcome portlet and just point the user to the Geronimo home
>> > page. This would allow us to keep things "up to date". Should I go
>> > ahead and make this change too while updating the welcome page and
>> the
>> > web console welcome portlet?
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
Re: Confluence link on the welcome pages
Posted by Hernan Cunico <hc...@gmail.com>.
Done. Here is the JIRA
http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-1298
Cheers!
Hernan
Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> +1 to adding a pdf to the release and an xml export to the source tree.
>
> Hernan can you create a PDF and an xml export and add it to a JIRA?
> Mark it for a 1.0 fix and as Blocker issue.
>
> thanks
>
> -dain
>
> On Dec 6, 2005, at 11:27 AM, David Blevins wrote:
>
>> This is cool. How about we also stick a PDF (or a few) of the
>> confluence doco in the release itself as well as check in an xml
>> export of that content?
>>
>> -David
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2005, at 9:47 AM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>
>>> +1 lets define some URLs under geronimo.apache.org and setup
>>> redirect rules for them
>>>
>>> I suggest the following:
>>>
>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/issues ==> jira insall
>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki ==> our current wiki
>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/download ==> our download page
>>>
>>> maybe
>>>
>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/documentation
>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/source
>>>
>>> -dain
>>>
>>> On Dec 6, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Paul McMahan wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree with Hernan that the current links in the welcome portlet
>>>> are very helpful. But I think we should only keep them if we can
>>>> be sure they won't change in the foreseeable future. IMO the best
>>>> way to ensure that would be to set up redirects and/or aliases
>>>> under the HTTP server for geronimo.apache.org.
>>>>
>>>> For example, the "Problem Tracking Database" link in the welcome
>>>> portlet currently points at :
>>>> http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=10220
>>>> But it's likely that URL could become stale within the lifespan of
>>>> the Geronimo 1.0 console.
>>>>
>>>> So instead the welcome portlet could point at:
>>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/problems
>>>> and the server could redirect to the actual address.
>>>>
>>>> Can someone familiar with how the geronimo.apache.org HTTP server
>>>> is administered please advise whether or not this sounds like a
>>>> reasonable approach?
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/6/05, Hernan Cunico <hc...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi All,
>>>> I would like to keep the link to the confluence site (the one
>>>> hosted by
>>>> Atlassian). Jason is working on getting a confluence site (licensed)
>>>> hosted in one of the zones. Whenever the decision is taken on (if)
>>>> moving the wiki, then we can update the console in the next refresh or
>>>> as an intermediate "fix".
>>>>
>>>> For an immediate (but yet temporary) solution I would suggest, once
>>>> the
>>>> confluence doc is officially moved (if it is moved), to have a
>>>> redirect
>>>> on the Atlassian site.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>> Hernan
>>>>
>>>> Joe Bohn wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > When creating the Welcome Page with the new look & feel and the web
>>>> > console welcome portlet I included a link to the current confluence
>>>> > documentation. This is the "Additional Documentation" link. I
>>>> added
>>>> > it because I was thinking that this documentation was too good to
>>>> not
>>>> > have an easy way for the end user to access it and was curious to
>>>> see if
>>>> > anybody would complain.
>>>> >
>>>> > Given all of the debate about confluence and the possibility that
>>>> the
>>>> > current confluence content may or may not be moving into a more
>>>> official
>>>> > site, I guess I should remove these links. Hopefully, whatever is
>>>> > decided will ensure that this documentation is readily available
>>>> to the
>>>> > users for V1 (even if it requires one level of indirection). So
>>>> I'll go
>>>> > ahead and remove the links unless somebody really, really, thinks we
>>>> > should keep them.
>>>> >
>>>> > BTW, if we do make a complete change from the wiki to confluence is
>>>> > there any possibility that we could keep the same URL? The
>>>> Welcome page
>>>> > has always included a link to the wiki and it would be great if this
>>>> > didn't become a dead link on the installed images. It would
>>>> probably be
>>>> > better if we removed all of the links on the welcome page and the
>>>> web
>>>> > console welcome portlet and just point the user to the Geronimo home
>>>> > page. This would allow us to keep things "up to date". Should I go
>>>> > ahead and make this change too while updating the welcome page
>>>> and the
>>>> > web console welcome portlet?
>>>> >
>>>> > Joe
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>
>
Re: Confluence link on the welcome pages
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com>.
+1 to adding a pdf to the release and an xml export to the source tree.
Hernan can you create a PDF and an xml export and add it to a JIRA?
Mark it for a 1.0 fix and as Blocker issue.
thanks
-dain
On Dec 6, 2005, at 11:27 AM, David Blevins wrote:
> This is cool. How about we also stick a PDF (or a few) of the
> confluence doco in the release itself as well as check in an xml
> export of that content?
>
> -David
>
> On Dec 6, 2005, at 9:47 AM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>
>> +1 lets define some URLs under geronimo.apache.org and setup
>> redirect rules for them
>>
>> I suggest the following:
>>
>> http://geronimo.apache.org/issues ==> jira insall
>> http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki ==> our current wiki
>> http://geronimo.apache.org/download ==> our download page
>>
>> maybe
>>
>> http://geronimo.apache.org/documentation
>> http://geronimo.apache.org/source
>>
>> -dain
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Paul McMahan wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with Hernan that the current links in the welcome portlet
>>> are very helpful. But I think we should only keep them if we can
>>> be sure they won't change in the foreseeable future. IMO the
>>> best way to ensure that would be to set up redirects and/or
>>> aliases under the HTTP server for geronimo.apache.org.
>>>
>>> For example, the "Problem Tracking Database" link in the welcome
>>> portlet currently points at :
>>> http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=10220
>>> But it's likely that URL could become stale within the lifespan
>>> of the Geronimo 1.0 console.
>>>
>>> So instead the welcome portlet could point at:
>>> http://geronimo.apache.org/problems
>>> and the server could redirect to the actual address.
>>>
>>> Can someone familiar with how the geronimo.apache.org HTTP server
>>> is administered please advise whether or not this sounds like a
>>> reasonable approach?
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/6/05, Hernan Cunico <hc...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi All,
>>> I would like to keep the link to the confluence site (the one
>>> hosted by
>>> Atlassian). Jason is working on getting a confluence site (licensed)
>>> hosted in one of the zones. Whenever the decision is taken on (if)
>>> moving the wiki, then we can update the console in the next
>>> refresh or
>>> as an intermediate "fix".
>>>
>>> For an immediate (but yet temporary) solution I would suggest,
>>> once the
>>> confluence doc is officially moved (if it is moved), to have a
>>> redirect
>>> on the Atlassian site.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Hernan
>>>
>>> Joe Bohn wrote:
>>> >
>>> > When creating the Welcome Page with the new look & feel and the
>>> web
>>> > console welcome portlet I included a link to the current
>>> confluence
>>> > documentation. This is the "Additional Documentation" link.
>>> I added
>>> > it because I was thinking that this documentation was too good
>>> to not
>>> > have an easy way for the end user to access it and was curious
>>> to see if
>>> > anybody would complain.
>>> >
>>> > Given all of the debate about confluence and the possibility
>>> that the
>>> > current confluence content may or may not be moving into a more
>>> official
>>> > site, I guess I should remove these links. Hopefully, whatever is
>>> > decided will ensure that this documentation is readily
>>> available to the
>>> > users for V1 (even if it requires one level of indirection).
>>> So I'll go
>>> > ahead and remove the links unless somebody really, really,
>>> thinks we
>>> > should keep them.
>>> >
>>> > BTW, if we do make a complete change from the wiki to
>>> confluence is
>>> > there any possibility that we could keep the same URL? The
>>> Welcome page
>>> > has always included a link to the wiki and it would be great if
>>> this
>>> > didn't become a dead link on the installed images. It would
>>> probably be
>>> > better if we removed all of the links on the welcome page and
>>> the web
>>> > console welcome portlet and just point the user to the Geronimo
>>> home
>>> > page. This would allow us to keep things "up to date". Should
>>> I go
>>> > ahead and make this change too while updating the welcome page
>>> and the
>>> > web console welcome portlet?
>>> >
>>> > Joe
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
Re: Confluence link on the welcome pages
Posted by David Blevins <da...@visi.com>.
This is cool. How about we also stick a PDF (or a few) of the
confluence doco in the release itself as well as check in an xml
export of that content?
-David
On Dec 6, 2005, at 9:47 AM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> +1 lets define some URLs under geronimo.apache.org and setup
> redirect rules for them
>
> I suggest the following:
>
> http://geronimo.apache.org/issues ==> jira insall
> http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki ==> our current wiki
> http://geronimo.apache.org/download ==> our download page
>
> maybe
>
> http://geronimo.apache.org/documentation
> http://geronimo.apache.org/source
>
> -dain
>
> On Dec 6, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Paul McMahan wrote:
>
>> I agree with Hernan that the current links in the welcome portlet
>> are very helpful. But I think we should only keep them if we can
>> be sure they won't change in the foreseeable future. IMO the best
>> way to ensure that would be to set up redirects and/or aliases
>> under the HTTP server for geronimo.apache.org.
>>
>> For example, the "Problem Tracking Database" link in the welcome
>> portlet currently points at :
>> http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=10220
>> But it's likely that URL could become stale within the lifespan of
>> the Geronimo 1.0 console.
>>
>> So instead the welcome portlet could point at:
>> http://geronimo.apache.org/problems
>> and the server could redirect to the actual address.
>>
>> Can someone familiar with how the geronimo.apache.org HTTP server
>> is administered please advise whether or not this sounds like a
>> reasonable approach?
>>
>> thanks,
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On 12/6/05, Hernan Cunico <hc...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi All,
>> I would like to keep the link to the confluence site (the one
>> hosted by
>> Atlassian). Jason is working on getting a confluence site (licensed)
>> hosted in one of the zones. Whenever the decision is taken on (if)
>> moving the wiki, then we can update the console in the next
>> refresh or
>> as an intermediate "fix".
>>
>> For an immediate (but yet temporary) solution I would suggest,
>> once the
>> confluence doc is officially moved (if it is moved), to have a
>> redirect
>> on the Atlassian site.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Hernan
>>
>> Joe Bohn wrote:
>> >
>> > When creating the Welcome Page with the new look & feel and the web
>> > console welcome portlet I included a link to the current confluence
>> > documentation. This is the "Additional Documentation" link. I
>> added
>> > it because I was thinking that this documentation was too good
>> to not
>> > have an easy way for the end user to access it and was curious
>> to see if
>> > anybody would complain.
>> >
>> > Given all of the debate about confluence and the possibility
>> that the
>> > current confluence content may or may not be moving into a more
>> official
>> > site, I guess I should remove these links. Hopefully, whatever is
>> > decided will ensure that this documentation is readily available
>> to the
>> > users for V1 (even if it requires one level of indirection). So
>> I'll go
>> > ahead and remove the links unless somebody really, really,
>> thinks we
>> > should keep them.
>> >
>> > BTW, if we do make a complete change from the wiki to confluence is
>> > there any possibility that we could keep the same URL? The
>> Welcome page
>> > has always included a link to the wiki and it would be great if
>> this
>> > didn't become a dead link on the installed images. It would
>> probably be
>> > better if we removed all of the links on the welcome page and
>> the web
>> > console welcome portlet and just point the user to the Geronimo
>> home
>> > page. This would allow us to keep things "up to date". Should
>> I go
>> > ahead and make this change too while updating the welcome page
>> and the
>> > web console welcome portlet?
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> >
>>
>
Re: Confluence link on the welcome pages
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com>.
+1 lets define some URLs under geronimo.apache.org and setup redirect
rules for them
I suggest the following:
http://geronimo.apache.org/issues ==> jira insall
http://geronimo.apache.org/wiki ==> our current wiki
http://geronimo.apache.org/download ==> our download page
maybe
http://geronimo.apache.org/documentation
http://geronimo.apache.org/source
-dain
On Dec 6, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Paul McMahan wrote:
> I agree with Hernan that the current links in the welcome portlet
> are very helpful. But I think we should only keep them if we can
> be sure they won't change in the foreseeable future. IMO the best
> way to ensure that would be to set up redirects and/or aliases
> under the HTTP server for geronimo.apache.org.
>
> For example, the "Problem Tracking Database" link in the welcome
> portlet currently points at :
> http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=10220
> But it's likely that URL could become stale within the lifespan of
> the Geronimo 1.0 console.
>
> So instead the welcome portlet could point at:
> http://geronimo.apache.org/problems
> and the server could redirect to the actual address.
>
> Can someone familiar with how the geronimo.apache.org HTTP server
> is administered please advise whether or not this sounds like a
> reasonable approach?
>
> thanks,
> Paul
>
>
> On 12/6/05, Hernan Cunico <hc...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi All,
> I would like to keep the link to the confluence site (the one
> hosted by
> Atlassian). Jason is working on getting a confluence site (licensed)
> hosted in one of the zones. Whenever the decision is taken on (if)
> moving the wiki, then we can update the console in the next refresh or
> as an intermediate "fix".
>
> For an immediate (but yet temporary) solution I would suggest, once
> the
> confluence doc is officially moved (if it is moved), to have a
> redirect
> on the Atlassian site.
>
> Cheers!
> Hernan
>
> Joe Bohn wrote:
> >
> > When creating the Welcome Page with the new look & feel and the web
> > console welcome portlet I included a link to the current confluence
> > documentation. This is the "Additional Documentation" link. I
> added
> > it because I was thinking that this documentation was too good to
> not
> > have an easy way for the end user to access it and was curious to
> see if
> > anybody would complain.
> >
> > Given all of the debate about confluence and the possibility that
> the
> > current confluence content may or may not be moving into a more
> official
> > site, I guess I should remove these links. Hopefully, whatever is
> > decided will ensure that this documentation is readily available
> to the
> > users for V1 (even if it requires one level of indirection). So
> I'll go
> > ahead and remove the links unless somebody really, really, thinks we
> > should keep them.
> >
> > BTW, if we do make a complete change from the wiki to confluence is
> > there any possibility that we could keep the same URL? The
> Welcome page
> > has always included a link to the wiki and it would be great if this
> > didn't become a dead link on the installed images. It would
> probably be
> > better if we removed all of the links on the welcome page and the
> web
> > console welcome portlet and just point the user to the Geronimo home
> > page. This would allow us to keep things "up to date". Should I go
> > ahead and make this change too while updating the welcome page
> and the
> > web console welcome portlet?
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
>
Re: Confluence link on the welcome pages
Posted by Paul McMahan <pa...@gmail.com>.
I agree with Hernan that the current links in the welcome portlet are very
helpful. But I think we should only keep them if we can be sure they won't
change in the foreseeable future. IMO the best way to ensure that would be
to set up redirects and/or aliases under the HTTP server for
geronimo.apache.org.
For example, the "Problem Tracking Database" link in the welcome portlet
currently points at :
http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=10220
But it's likely that URL could become stale within the lifespan of the
Geronimo 1.0 console.
So instead the welcome portlet could point at:
http://geronimo.apache.org/problems
and the server could redirect to the actual address.
Can someone familiar with how the geronimo.apache.org HTTP server is
administered please advise whether or not this sounds like a reasonable
approach?
thanks,
Paul
On 12/6/05, Hernan Cunico <hc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> I would like to keep the link to the confluence site (the one hosted by
> Atlassian). Jason is working on getting a confluence site (licensed)
> hosted in one of the zones. Whenever the decision is taken on (if)
> moving the wiki, then we can update the console in the next refresh or
> as an intermediate "fix".
>
> For an immediate (but yet temporary) solution I would suggest, once the
> confluence doc is officially moved (if it is moved), to have a redirect
> on the Atlassian site.
>
> Cheers!
> Hernan
>
> Joe Bohn wrote:
> >
> > When creating the Welcome Page with the new look & feel and the web
> > console welcome portlet I included a link to the current confluence
> > documentation. This is the "Additional Documentation" link. I added
> > it because I was thinking that this documentation was too good to not
> > have an easy way for the end user to access it and was curious to see if
> > anybody would complain.
> >
> > Given all of the debate about confluence and the possibility that the
> > current confluence content may or may not be moving into a more official
> > site, I guess I should remove these links. Hopefully, whatever is
> > decided will ensure that this documentation is readily available to the
> > users for V1 (even if it requires one level of indirection). So I'll go
> > ahead and remove the links unless somebody really, really, thinks we
> > should keep them.
> >
> > BTW, if we do make a complete change from the wiki to confluence is
> > there any possibility that we could keep the same URL? The Welcome page
> > has always included a link to the wiki and it would be great if this
> > didn't become a dead link on the installed images. It would probably be
> > better if we removed all of the links on the welcome page and the web
> > console welcome portlet and just point the user to the Geronimo home
> > page. This would allow us to keep things "up to date". Should I go
> > ahead and make this change too while updating the welcome page and the
> > web console welcome portlet?
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
>
Re: Confluence link on the welcome pages
Posted by Hernan Cunico <hc...@gmail.com>.
Hi All,
I would like to keep the link to the confluence site (the one hosted by
Atlassian). Jason is working on getting a confluence site (licensed)
hosted in one of the zones. Whenever the decision is taken on (if)
moving the wiki, then we can update the console in the next refresh or
as an intermediate "fix".
For an immediate (but yet temporary) solution I would suggest, once the
confluence doc is officially moved (if it is moved), to have a redirect
on the Atlassian site.
Cheers!
Hernan
Joe Bohn wrote:
>
> When creating the Welcome Page with the new look & feel and the web
> console welcome portlet I included a link to the current confluence
> documentation. This is the "Additional Documentation" link. I added
> it because I was thinking that this documentation was too good to not
> have an easy way for the end user to access it and was curious to see if
> anybody would complain.
>
> Given all of the debate about confluence and the possibility that the
> current confluence content may or may not be moving into a more official
> site, I guess I should remove these links. Hopefully, whatever is
> decided will ensure that this documentation is readily available to the
> users for V1 (even if it requires one level of indirection). So I'll go
> ahead and remove the links unless somebody really, really, thinks we
> should keep them.
>
> BTW, if we do make a complete change from the wiki to confluence is
> there any possibility that we could keep the same URL? The Welcome page
> has always included a link to the wiki and it would be great if this
> didn't become a dead link on the installed images. It would probably be
> better if we removed all of the links on the welcome page and the web
> console welcome portlet and just point the user to the Geronimo home
> page. This would allow us to keep things "up to date". Should I go
> ahead and make this change too while updating the welcome page and the
> web console welcome portlet?
>
> Joe
>
>