Re: Healthcare Division for Apache

[Peter Abramowitsch <pa...@gmail.com>]

Hi Javi,

I'm a long term ctakes user and contributor who has worked in various
professional, incubator, and standards-creating environments for
healthcare.  I like your idea in theory, but I see an on-the-ground issue
with a specific health oriented section of Apache - and that is a lack of
content.  Unless I have missed something, cTakes is the only mature Apache
project in this space - it is not as if there are a set of domain-related
projects in this space waiting to be promoted.

There would also be something materially different about a Healthcare
specific component of Apache - which is not to say it isn't a valid idea,
but it is worth discussion.  The difference is that most all of the
projects in Apache are embedded in the information technology domain and
its challenges - storage, search, management, presentation etc - but tend
to be agnostic with regard to the information content over which the Apache
technology is implemented.

Health, on the other hand is its own specific domain, so the tasks,
problems, and solutions here are not just about creation, transport and
presentation of health related information, but what the information
actually is, how it is used, and by whom.  Here we're talking about
clinical informatics and a host of other information spaces that require
very high levels of experience and understanding that are tangential to the
problems of system infrastructure.

If I could invent an analogy...  A lot of Apache's software is probably
being used in the logistics domain,  warehousing, supply chain
optimization, package deliveries and such, but would that be a reason to
create an Apache shipping and delivery software presence?

So this is my hesitation about endorsing a Health initiative at the
moment.  As I've said, it would be a wonderful idea, but the cart is
somewhat before the horse in my opinion.   More localized and feasible
might be a cTakes user group that goes beyond just this email address.

Regards
Peter

Re: Healthcare Division for Apache

[Javi Roman <jr...@gmail.com>]

Hi Boson,
at the moment there is not much individual interest in collaborating,
possibly because they are not very clear about the idea I have proposed. In
any case, we are discussing the creation of a space for it [1].

For my part I am going to create a test page that will serve as a
demonstration of what I would like to do, as soon as I have it I will share
it so that anyone can give their opinion. I'm hoping that by seeing the
structure of the page there will be more interest.


[1]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r75eb3930f4d730d586a94f3492cde2a9e6ac9df5e10d323c5f6edcac%40%3Cdev.community.apache.org%3E
--
Javi Roman


On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 3:00 PM Bonson Mampilli <bo...@yahoo.com.invalid>
wrote:

> Hello Javi and Peter,
> I shall be very happy to collaborate and help in this.
>
> Regards,Bonson Sebastian MampilliMy LinkedIn
> My Google Scholar
>
>
>     On Monday, 3 May, 2021, 11:28:56 pm IST, Javi Roman <
> jroman.espinar@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 6:37 PM Peter Abramowitsch <
> pabramowitsch@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Javi,
> >
> > I'm a long term ctakes user and contributor who has worked in various
> > professional, incubator, and standards-creating environments for
> > healthcare.  I like your idea in theory, but I see an on-the-ground issue
> > with a specific health oriented section of Apache - and that is a lack of
> > content.  Unless I have missed something, cTakes is the only mature
> Apache
> > project in this space - it is not as if there are a set of domain-related
> > projects in this space waiting to be promoted.
> >
>
> With lesser software there are foundations that are putting the focus on
> health [1] , to promote the association and join forces in something as
> laudable as health. My original idea is based on public movements in Europe
> for the promotion of Big Data and health [2]. If we take into account that
> innovation in Big Data is in the open source and also the main organization
> in Big Data is the ASF, this together with a really important project
> focused on health (Apache cTAKES + Apache UIMA + Apache OpenNLP).
>
> [1] https://www.lfph.io/
> [2] https://www.bigmedilytics.eu/
>
>
> > There would also be something materially different about a Healthcare
> > specific component of Apache - which is not to say it isn't a valid idea,
> > but it is worth discussion.  The difference is that most all of the
> > projects in Apache are embedded in the information technology domain and
> > its challenges - storage, search, management, presentation etc - but tend
> > to be agnostic with regard to the information content over which the
> Apache
> > technology is implemented.
> >
> > Health, on the other hand is its own specific domain, so the tasks,
> > problems, and solutions here are not just about creation, transport and
> > presentation of health related information, but what the information
> > actually is, how it is used, and by whom.  Here we're talking about
> > clinical informatics and a host of other information spaces that require
> > very high levels of experience and understanding that are tangential to
> the
> > problems of system infrastructure.
> >
>
> I agree that healthcare is a very specialized field with issues beyond pure
> infrastructure technology. But infrastructure is an enabler for
> researchers, scientists and users. One of the ideas I propose (and I'm not
> saying it has to be done, but I think it's good to discuss it) is how a set
> of ASF technologies can give complete solutions focused on health. It's not
> just medical records processing, there is a lot in healthcare today that
> can be modernized (at least in the healthcare system I know).
>
>
> >
> > If I could invent an analogy...  A lot of Apache's software is probably
> > being used in the logistics domain,  warehousing, supply chain
> > optimization, package deliveries and such, but would that be a reason to
> > create an Apache shipping and delivery software presence?
> >
>
> This could be the beginning of similar initiatives, what's wrong with that?
> It is a way to promote ASF projects, with a different approach: How
> different technologies can be integrated to provide solutions to societal
> needs, how open source breaks new ground and catalyzes innovation in all
> sectors.
>
> >
> > So this is my hesitation about endorsing a Health initiative at the
> > moment.  As I've said, it would be a wonderful idea, but the cart is
> > somewhat before the horse in my opinion.  More localized and feasible
> > might be a cTakes user group that goes beyond just this email address.
> >
>
> Thank you very much for your comments Peter, I think this is an exciting
> topic, and the principle can be a place to discuss these ideas, by way of
> exploration. It may come to nothing in the end, or something interesting
> may come out of it, but who knows, I would try something new.
>
> >
> > Regards
> > Peter
> >
>

Re: Healthcare Division for Apache

[Bonson Mampilli <bo...@yahoo.com.INVALID>]

Hello Javi and Peter,
I shall be very happy to collaborate and help in this. 

Regards,Bonson Sebastian MampilliMy LinkedIn
My Google Scholar
 

    On Monday, 3 May, 2021, 11:28:56 pm IST, Javi Roman <jr...@gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 6:37 PM Peter Abramowitsch <pa...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Javi,
>
> I'm a long term ctakes user and contributor who has worked in various
> professional, incubator, and standards-creating environments for
> healthcare.  I like your idea in theory, but I see an on-the-ground issue
> with a specific health oriented section of Apache - and that is a lack of
> content.  Unless I have missed something, cTakes is the only mature Apache
> project in this space - it is not as if there are a set of domain-related
> projects in this space waiting to be promoted.
>

With lesser software there are foundations that are putting the focus on
health [1] , to promote the association and join forces in something as
laudable as health. My original idea is based on public movements in Europe
for the promotion of Big Data and health [2]. If we take into account that
innovation in Big Data is in the open source and also the main organization
in Big Data is the ASF, this together with a really important project
focused on health (Apache cTAKES + Apache UIMA + Apache OpenNLP).

[1] https://www.lfph.io/
[2] https://www.bigmedilytics.eu/


> There would also be something materially different about a Healthcare
> specific component of Apache - which is not to say it isn't a valid idea,
> but it is worth discussion.  The difference is that most all of the
> projects in Apache are embedded in the information technology domain and
> its challenges - storage, search, management, presentation etc - but tend
> to be agnostic with regard to the information content over which the Apache
> technology is implemented.
>
> Health, on the other hand is its own specific domain, so the tasks,
> problems, and solutions here are not just about creation, transport and
> presentation of health related information, but what the information
> actually is, how it is used, and by whom.  Here we're talking about
> clinical informatics and a host of other information spaces that require
> very high levels of experience and understanding that are tangential to the
> problems of system infrastructure.
>

I agree that healthcare is a very specialized field with issues beyond pure
infrastructure technology. But infrastructure is an enabler for
researchers, scientists and users. One of the ideas I propose (and I'm not
saying it has to be done, but I think it's good to discuss it) is how a set
of ASF technologies can give complete solutions focused on health. It's not
just medical records processing, there is a lot in healthcare today that
can be modernized (at least in the healthcare system I know).


>
> If I could invent an analogy...  A lot of Apache's software is probably
> being used in the logistics domain,  warehousing, supply chain
> optimization, package deliveries and such, but would that be a reason to
> create an Apache shipping and delivery software presence?
>

This could be the beginning of similar initiatives, what's wrong with that?
It is a way to promote ASF projects, with a different approach: How
different technologies can be integrated to provide solutions to societal
needs, how open source breaks new ground and catalyzes innovation in all
sectors.

>
> So this is my hesitation about endorsing a Health initiative at the
> moment.  As I've said, it would be a wonderful idea, but the cart is
> somewhat before the horse in my opinion.  More localized and feasible
> might be a cTakes user group that goes beyond just this email address.
>

Thank you very much for your comments Peter, I think this is an exciting
topic, and the principle can be a place to discuss these ideas, by way of
exploration. It may come to nothing in the end, or something interesting
may come out of it, but who knows, I would try something new.

>
> Regards
> Peter
>
  

Re: Healthcare Division for Apache

[Javi Roman <jr...@gmail.com>]

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 6:37 PM Peter Abramowitsch <pa...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Javi,
>
> I'm a long term ctakes user and contributor who has worked in various
> professional, incubator, and standards-creating environments for
> healthcare.  I like your idea in theory, but I see an on-the-ground issue
> with a specific health oriented section of Apache - and that is a lack of
> content.  Unless I have missed something, cTakes is the only mature Apache
> project in this space - it is not as if there are a set of domain-related
> projects in this space waiting to be promoted.
>

With lesser software there are foundations that are putting the focus on
health [1] , to promote the association and join forces in something as
laudable as health. My original idea is based on public movements in Europe
for the promotion of Big Data and health [2]. If we take into account that
innovation in Big Data is in the open source and also the main organization
in Big Data is the ASF, this together with a really important project
focused on health (Apache cTAKES + Apache UIMA + Apache OpenNLP).

[1] https://www.lfph.io/
[2] https://www.bigmedilytics.eu/


> There would also be something materially different about a Healthcare
> specific component of Apache - which is not to say it isn't a valid idea,
> but it is worth discussion.  The difference is that most all of the
> projects in Apache are embedded in the information technology domain and
> its challenges - storage, search, management, presentation etc - but tend
> to be agnostic with regard to the information content over which the Apache
> technology is implemented.
>
> Health, on the other hand is its own specific domain, so the tasks,
> problems, and solutions here are not just about creation, transport and
> presentation of health related information, but what the information
> actually is, how it is used, and by whom.  Here we're talking about
> clinical informatics and a host of other information spaces that require
> very high levels of experience and understanding that are tangential to the
> problems of system infrastructure.
>

I agree that healthcare is a very specialized field with issues beyond pure
infrastructure technology. But infrastructure is an enabler for
researchers, scientists and users. One of the ideas I propose (and I'm not
saying it has to be done, but I think it's good to discuss it) is how a set
of ASF technologies can give complete solutions focused on health. It's not
just medical records processing, there is a lot in healthcare today that
can be modernized (at least in the healthcare system I know).


>
> If I could invent an analogy...  A lot of Apache's software is probably
> being used in the logistics domain,  warehousing, supply chain
> optimization, package deliveries and such, but would that be a reason to
> create an Apache shipping and delivery software presence?
>

This could be the beginning of similar initiatives, what's wrong with that?
It is a way to promote ASF projects, with a different approach: How
different technologies can be integrated to provide solutions to societal
needs, how open source breaks new ground and catalyzes innovation in all
sectors.

>
> So this is my hesitation about endorsing a Health initiative at the
> moment.  As I've said, it would be a wonderful idea, but the cart is
> somewhat before the horse in my opinion.   More localized and feasible
> might be a cTakes user group that goes beyond just this email address.
>

Thank you very much for your comments Peter, I think this is an exciting
topic, and the principle can be a place to discuss these ideas, by way of
exploration. It may come to nothing in the end, or something interesting
may come out of it, but who knows, I would try something new.

>
> Regards
> Peter
>