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[DISCUSSION] OSGi core version in Karaf version
Hi team,
As you know, OSGi core 5.0.0 has been released.
I would like to discuss about which version of Karaf should support
which version of the OSGi core (and so the corresponding OSGi frameworks).
I have the following proposal:
- Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
- Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
- Karaf 3.0.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
- Karaf 3.1.x => OSGi core 5.0.0
I would wait Karaf 3.1.x to update to OSGi core 5.0.0 as the OSGi
frameworks are not yet fully ready on this specification.
WDYT ?
Regards
JB
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [DISCUSSION] OSGi core version in Karaf version
Posted by Scott England-Sullivan <su...@gmail.com>.
Thanks JB.
Updated patches have been added to KARAF-1753.
Best Regards,
Scott ES
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>wrote:
> Thanks Scott,
>
> I will review and apply the patch.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
>
> On 09/12/2012 03:30 PM, Scott England-Sullivan wrote:
>
>> Makes sense to me. They still have a number of issues that they are
>> working to include in 1.8.x. I will add a note in the Javadoc stating
>> what
>> version is currently supported.
>>
>> I am uploading a new patch to KARAF-1753 today. It will take the place of
>> the one currently attached to the ticket. It catches up on some conflicts
>> to the original patch.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Scott ES
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net
>> >wrote:
>>
>> Oh, got it Scott.
>>>
>>> IMHO, I would prefer to stay with Felix DS 1.6.0. As we are going to
>>> release 2.3.0 very soon, we can ship SNAPSHOT.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>>
>>> On 09/12/2012 03:22 PM, Scott England-Sullivan wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the response. Bad question on my part.
>>>>
>>>> Better question is are we going to wait until all the functionality that
>>>> is
>>>> to be included in Karaf 2.3 that is dependent on the corresponding Felix
>>>> projects to get updated? Felix DS (SCR) with support for OSGi 4.3/DS
>>>> Spec
>>>> 1.2 (Felix DS 1.8.0-SNAPSHOT) is still under development.
>>>>
>>>> Should I migrate the SCR bundles to the Felix DS 1.8.0-SNAPSHOT for
>>>> Karaf
>>>> 2.3?
>>>>
>>>> Or do I wait, leave it at OSGi 4.2/DS Spec 1.1 (Felix DS 1.6.0) and then
>>>> update them in a later release of Karaf 2.3.x?
>>>>
>>>> I am OK with either. Just need your input.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Karaf 2.3 already uses OSGi r4.3 (and corresponding framework).
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> JB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/12/2012 02:41 PM, Scott England-Sullivan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What was the final outcome on this? Is Karaf-2.3.x going to be based
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> OSGi 4.3?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Needing to know if I should update the Karaf 2.3.x SCR bundles to the
>>>>>> Felix
>>>>>> DS 1.8.0-SNAPSHOT which has the 4.3 support in it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>> Scott ES
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Freeman Fang <freeman.fang@gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 for Andreas's first plan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Freeman
>>>>>>> －－－－－－－－－－－－－
>>>>>>> Freeman Fang
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>> Email:ffang@fusesource.com
>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>> Twitter: freemanfang
>>>>>>> Blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.******com<http://freemanfang.**
>>>>>>> blogspot.com <http://freemanfang.blogspot.**com<http://freemanfang.blogspot.com>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/******1473905042<http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/****1473905042>
>>>>>>> <http://blog.sina.**com.cn/u/**1473905042<http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/**1473905042>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> <http://blog.sina.**com.cn/u/**1473905042<http://com.cn/u/1473905042>
>>>>>>> <http://blog.sina.**com.cn/u/1473905042<http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/1473905042>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> weibo: http://weibo.com/u/1473905042
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2012-8-18, at 下午1:19, Andreas Pieber wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TBH I personally would rather prefer:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>>>>>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>>>>> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>>>>> - Karaf 4.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>>>>>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>>>>> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know that both options are not really optimal, but I don't think
>>>>>>>> that we really want to upgrade the inner core of the entire thing to
>>>>>>>> the next major version in a minor of Karaf. There where some API
>>>>>>>> changes from a user lvl of view which disallow to drop the same
>>>>>>>> bundle
>>>>>>>> into a 4.2/4.3 environment and a 5.0. I do not really fancy the idea
>>>>>>>> of breaking compatibility between minor releases. If ppls setup
>>>>>>>> break
>>>>>>>> from one minor to the next they lost trust and upgrade ways too late
>>>>>>>> although there should be no reason.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>> Andreas
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
>>>>>>>> jb@nanthrax.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi team,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As you know, OSGi core 5.0.0 has been released.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would like to discuss about which version of Karaf should support
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> version of the OSGi core (and so the corresponding OSGi
>>>>>>> frameworks).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have the following proposal:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>>>>>>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>>>>>> - Karaf 3.0.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>>>>>> - Karaf 3.1.x => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would wait Karaf 3.1.x to update to OSGi core 5.0.0 as the OSGi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> frameworks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> are not yet fully ready on this specification.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WDYT ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> JB
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>
--
--
Scott England-Sullivan
----------------------------------
FuseSource
Web: http://www.fusesource.com
Blog: http://sully6768.blogspot.com
Twitter: sully6768
Re: [DISCUSSION] OSGi core version in Karaf version
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Thanks Scott,
I will review and apply the patch.
Regards
JB
On 09/12/2012 03:30 PM, Scott England-Sullivan wrote:
> Makes sense to me. They still have a number of issues that they are
> working to include in 1.8.x. I will add a note in the Javadoc stating what
> version is currently supported.
>
> I am uploading a new patch to KARAF-1753 today. It will take the place of
> the one currently attached to the ticket. It catches up on some conflicts
> to the original patch.
>
> Best Regards,
> Scott ES
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>wrote:
>
>> Oh, got it Scott.
>>
>> IMHO, I would prefer to stay with Felix DS 1.6.0. As we are going to
>> release 2.3.0 very soon, we can ship SNAPSHOT.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 09/12/2012 03:22 PM, Scott England-Sullivan wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the response. Bad question on my part.
>>>
>>> Better question is are we going to wait until all the functionality that
>>> is
>>> to be included in Karaf 2.3 that is dependent on the corresponding Felix
>>> projects to get updated? Felix DS (SCR) with support for OSGi 4.3/DS Spec
>>> 1.2 (Felix DS 1.8.0-SNAPSHOT) is still under development.
>>>
>>> Should I migrate the SCR bundles to the Felix DS 1.8.0-SNAPSHOT for Karaf
>>> 2.3?
>>>
>>> Or do I wait, leave it at OSGi 4.2/DS Spec 1.1 (Felix DS 1.6.0) and then
>>> update them in a later release of Karaf 2.3.x?
>>>
>>> I am OK with either. Just need your input.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Scott,
>>>>
>>>> Karaf 2.3 already uses OSGi r4.3 (and corresponding framework).
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 09/12/2012 02:41 PM, Scott England-Sullivan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> What was the final outcome on this? Is Karaf-2.3.x going to be based on
>>>>> OSGi 4.3?
>>>>>
>>>>> Needing to know if I should update the Karaf 2.3.x SCR bundles to the
>>>>> Felix
>>>>> DS 1.8.0-SNAPSHOT which has the 4.3 support in it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Scott ES
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Freeman Fang <freeman.fang@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 for Andreas's first plan.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Freeman
>>>>>> －－－－－－－－－－－－－
>>>>>> Freeman Fang
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>> Email:ffang@fusesource.com
>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>> Twitter: freemanfang
>>>>>> Blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.****com<http://freemanfang.**
>>>>>> blogspot.com <http://freemanfang.blogspot.com>>
>>>>>> http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/****1473905042<http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/**1473905042>
>>>>>> <http://blog.sina.**com.cn/u/1473905042<http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/1473905042>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> weibo: http://weibo.com/u/1473905042
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2012-8-18, at 下午1:19, Andreas Pieber wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TBH I personally would rather prefer:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>>>>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>>>> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>>>> - Karaf 4.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>>>>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>>>> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know that both options are not really optimal, but I don't think
>>>>>>> that we really want to upgrade the inner core of the entire thing to
>>>>>>> the next major version in a minor of Karaf. There where some API
>>>>>>> changes from a user lvl of view which disallow to drop the same bundle
>>>>>>> into a 4.2/4.3 environment and a 5.0. I do not really fancy the idea
>>>>>>> of breaking compatibility between minor releases. If ppls setup break
>>>>>>> from one minor to the next they lost trust and upgrade ways too late
>>>>>>> although there should be no reason.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>> Andreas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
>>>>>>> jb@nanthrax.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi team,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As you know, OSGi core 5.0.0 has been released.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would like to discuss about which version of Karaf should support
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> version of the OSGi core (and so the corresponding OSGi frameworks).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have the following proposal:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>>>>>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>>>>> - Karaf 3.0.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>>>>> - Karaf 3.1.x => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would wait Karaf 3.1.x to update to OSGi core 5.0.0 as the OSGi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> frameworks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> are not yet fully ready on this specification.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WDYT ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> JB
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>
>
>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [DISCUSSION] OSGi core version in Karaf version
Posted by Scott England-Sullivan <su...@gmail.com>.
Makes sense to me. They still have a number of issues that they are
working to include in 1.8.x. I will add a note in the Javadoc stating what
version is currently supported.
I am uploading a new patch to KARAF-1753 today. It will take the place of
the one currently attached to the ticket. It catches up on some conflicts
to the original patch.
Best Regards,
Scott ES
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>wrote:
> Oh, got it Scott.
>
> IMHO, I would prefer to stay with Felix DS 1.6.0. As we are going to
> release 2.3.0 very soon, we can ship SNAPSHOT.
>
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 09/12/2012 03:22 PM, Scott England-Sullivan wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the response. Bad question on my part.
>>
>> Better question is are we going to wait until all the functionality that
>> is
>> to be included in Karaf 2.3 that is dependent on the corresponding Felix
>> projects to get updated? Felix DS (SCR) with support for OSGi 4.3/DS Spec
>> 1.2 (Felix DS 1.8.0-SNAPSHOT) is still under development.
>>
>> Should I migrate the SCR bundles to the Felix DS 1.8.0-SNAPSHOT for Karaf
>> 2.3?
>>
>> Or do I wait, leave it at OSGi 4.2/DS Spec 1.1 (Felix DS 1.6.0) and then
>> update them in a later release of Karaf 2.3.x?
>>
>> I am OK with either. Just need your input.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net
>> >wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott,
>>>
>>> Karaf 2.3 already uses OSGi r4.3 (and corresponding framework).
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/12/2012 02:41 PM, Scott England-Sullivan wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> What was the final outcome on this? Is Karaf-2.3.x going to be based on
>>>> OSGi 4.3?
>>>>
>>>> Needing to know if I should update the Karaf 2.3.x SCR bundles to the
>>>> Felix
>>>> DS 1.8.0-SNAPSHOT which has the 4.3 support in it.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Scott ES
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Freeman Fang <freeman.fang@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1 for Andreas's first plan.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Freeman
>>>>> －－－－－－－－－－－－－
>>>>> Freeman Fang
>>>>>
>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>> Email:ffang@fusesource.com
>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>> Twitter: freemanfang
>>>>> Blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.****com<http://freemanfang.**
>>>>> blogspot.com <http://freemanfang.blogspot.com>>
>>>>> http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/****1473905042<http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/**1473905042>
>>>>> <http://blog.sina.**com.cn/u/1473905042<http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/1473905042>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> weibo: http://weibo.com/u/1473905042
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2012-8-18, at 下午1:19, Andreas Pieber wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> TBH I personally would rather prefer:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>>>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>>> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>>> - Karaf 4.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>>>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>>> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that both options are not really optimal, but I don't think
>>>>>> that we really want to upgrade the inner core of the entire thing to
>>>>>> the next major version in a minor of Karaf. There where some API
>>>>>> changes from a user lvl of view which disallow to drop the same bundle
>>>>>> into a 4.2/4.3 environment and a 5.0. I do not really fancy the idea
>>>>>> of breaking compatibility between minor releases. If ppls setup break
>>>>>> from one minor to the next they lost trust and upgrade ways too late
>>>>>> although there should be no reason.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>> Andreas
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
>>>>>> jb@nanthrax.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi team,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As you know, OSGi core 5.0.0 has been released.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to discuss about which version of Karaf should support
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> version of the OSGi core (and so the corresponding OSGi frameworks).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have the following proposal:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>>>>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>>>> - Karaf 3.0.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>>>> - Karaf 3.1.x => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would wait Karaf 3.1.x to update to OSGi core 5.0.0 as the OSGi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> frameworks
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> are not yet fully ready on this specification.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WDYT ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> JB
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>
--
--
Scott England-Sullivan
----------------------------------
FuseSource
Web: http://www.fusesource.com
Blog: http://sully6768.blogspot.com
Twitter: sully6768
Re: [DISCUSSION] OSGi core version in Karaf version
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Oh, got it Scott.
IMHO, I would prefer to stay with Felix DS 1.6.0. As we are going to
release 2.3.0 very soon, we can ship SNAPSHOT.
Regards
JB
On 09/12/2012 03:22 PM, Scott England-Sullivan wrote:
> Thanks for the response. Bad question on my part.
>
> Better question is are we going to wait until all the functionality that is
> to be included in Karaf 2.3 that is dependent on the corresponding Felix
> projects to get updated? Felix DS (SCR) with support for OSGi 4.3/DS Spec
> 1.2 (Felix DS 1.8.0-SNAPSHOT) is still under development.
>
> Should I migrate the SCR bundles to the Felix DS 1.8.0-SNAPSHOT for Karaf
> 2.3?
>
> Or do I wait, leave it at OSGi 4.2/DS Spec 1.1 (Felix DS 1.6.0) and then
> update them in a later release of Karaf 2.3.x?
>
> I am OK with either. Just need your input.
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>wrote:
>
>> Hi Scott,
>>
>> Karaf 2.3 already uses OSGi r4.3 (and corresponding framework).
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>>
>> On 09/12/2012 02:41 PM, Scott England-Sullivan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> What was the final outcome on this? Is Karaf-2.3.x going to be based on
>>> OSGi 4.3?
>>>
>>> Needing to know if I should update the Karaf 2.3.x SCR bundles to the
>>> Felix
>>> DS 1.8.0-SNAPSHOT which has the 4.3 support in it.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Scott ES
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Freeman Fang <freeman.fang@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 for Andreas's first plan.
>>>>
>>>> Freeman
>>>> －－－－－－－－－－－－－
>>>> Freeman Fang
>>>>
>>>> FuseSource
>>>> Email:ffang@fusesource.com
>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>> Twitter: freemanfang
>>>> Blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.**com<http://freemanfang.blogspot.com>
>>>> http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/**1473905042<http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/1473905042>
>>>> weibo: http://weibo.com/u/1473905042
>>>>
>>>> On 2012-8-18, at 下午1:19, Andreas Pieber wrote:
>>>>
>>>> TBH I personally would rather prefer:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>> - Karaf 4.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>>>
>>>>> or
>>>>>
>>>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that both options are not really optimal, but I don't think
>>>>> that we really want to upgrade the inner core of the entire thing to
>>>>> the next major version in a minor of Karaf. There where some API
>>>>> changes from a user lvl of view which disallow to drop the same bundle
>>>>> into a 4.2/4.3 environment and a 5.0. I do not really fancy the idea
>>>>> of breaking compatibility between minor releases. If ppls setup break
>>>>> from one minor to the next they lost trust and upgrade ways too late
>>>>> although there should be no reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Andreas
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi team,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As you know, OSGi core 5.0.0 has been released.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to discuss about which version of Karaf should support
>>>>>>
>>>>> which
>>>>
>>>>> version of the OSGi core (and so the corresponding OSGi frameworks).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have the following proposal:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>>>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>>> - Karaf 3.0.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>>> - Karaf 3.1.x => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would wait Karaf 3.1.x to update to OSGi core 5.0.0 as the OSGi
>>>>>>
>>>>> frameworks
>>>>
>>>>> are not yet fully ready on this specification.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WDYT ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> JB
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>
>
>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [DISCUSSION] OSGi core version in Karaf version
Posted by Scott England-Sullivan <su...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for the response. Bad question on my part.
Better question is are we going to wait until all the functionality that is
to be included in Karaf 2.3 that is dependent on the corresponding Felix
projects to get updated? Felix DS (SCR) with support for OSGi 4.3/DS Spec
1.2 (Felix DS 1.8.0-SNAPSHOT) is still under development.
Should I migrate the SCR bundles to the Felix DS 1.8.0-SNAPSHOT for Karaf
2.3?
Or do I wait, leave it at OSGi 4.2/DS Spec 1.1 (Felix DS 1.6.0) and then
update them in a later release of Karaf 2.3.x?
I am OK with either. Just need your input.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>wrote:
> Hi Scott,
>
> Karaf 2.3 already uses OSGi r4.3 (and corresponding framework).
>
> Regards
> JB
>
>
> On 09/12/2012 02:41 PM, Scott England-Sullivan wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> What was the final outcome on this? Is Karaf-2.3.x going to be based on
>> OSGi 4.3?
>>
>> Needing to know if I should update the Karaf 2.3.x SCR bundles to the
>> Felix
>> DS 1.8.0-SNAPSHOT which has the 4.3 support in it.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Scott ES
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Freeman Fang <freeman.fang@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> +1 for Andreas's first plan.
>>>
>>> Freeman
>>> －－－－－－－－－－－－－
>>> Freeman Fang
>>>
>>> FuseSource
>>> Email:ffang@fusesource.com
>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>> Twitter: freemanfang
>>> Blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.**com<http://freemanfang.blogspot.com>
>>> http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/**1473905042<http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/1473905042>
>>> weibo: http://weibo.com/u/1473905042
>>>
>>> On 2012-8-18, at 下午1:19, Andreas Pieber wrote:
>>>
>>> TBH I personally would rather prefer:
>>>>
>>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>> - Karaf 4.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>>
>>>> I know that both options are not really optimal, but I don't think
>>>> that we really want to upgrade the inner core of the entire thing to
>>>> the next major version in a minor of Karaf. There where some API
>>>> changes from a user lvl of view which disallow to drop the same bundle
>>>> into a 4.2/4.3 environment and a 5.0. I do not really fancy the idea
>>>> of breaking compatibility between minor releases. If ppls setup break
>>>> from one minor to the next they lost trust and upgrade ways too late
>>>> although there should be no reason.
>>>>
>>>> WDYT?
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Andreas
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net
>>>> >
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi team,
>>>>>
>>>>> As you know, OSGi core 5.0.0 has been released.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to discuss about which version of Karaf should support
>>>>>
>>>> which
>>>
>>>> version of the OSGi core (and so the corresponding OSGi frameworks).
>>>>>
>>>>> I have the following proposal:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>> - Karaf 3.0.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>> - Karaf 3.1.x => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>>>
>>>>> I would wait Karaf 3.1.x to update to OSGi core 5.0.0 as the OSGi
>>>>>
>>>> frameworks
>>>
>>>> are not yet fully ready on this specification.
>>>>>
>>>>> WDYT ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> JB
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>
--
--
Scott England-Sullivan
----------------------------------
FuseSource
Web: http://www.fusesource.com
Blog: http://sully6768.blogspot.com
Twitter: sully6768
Re: [DISCUSSION] OSGi core version in Karaf version
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Scott,
Karaf 2.3 already uses OSGi r4.3 (and corresponding framework).
Regards
JB
On 09/12/2012 02:41 PM, Scott England-Sullivan wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> What was the final outcome on this? Is Karaf-2.3.x going to be based on
> OSGi 4.3?
>
> Needing to know if I should update the Karaf 2.3.x SCR bundles to the Felix
> DS 1.8.0-SNAPSHOT which has the 4.3 support in it.
>
> Best Regards,
> Scott ES
>
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Freeman Fang <fr...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> +1 for Andreas's first plan.
>>
>> Freeman
>> －－－－－－－－－－－－－
>> Freeman Fang
>>
>> FuseSource
>> Email:ffang@fusesource.com
>> Web: fusesource.com
>> Twitter: freemanfang
>> Blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.com
>> http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/1473905042
>> weibo: http://weibo.com/u/1473905042
>>
>> On 2012-8-18, at 下午1:19, Andreas Pieber wrote:
>>
>>> TBH I personally would rather prefer:
>>>
>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>> - Karaf 4.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>
>>> I know that both options are not really optimal, but I don't think
>>> that we really want to upgrade the inner core of the entire thing to
>>> the next major version in a minor of Karaf. There where some API
>>> changes from a user lvl of view which disallow to drop the same bundle
>>> into a 4.2/4.3 environment and a 5.0. I do not really fancy the idea
>>> of breaking compatibility between minor releases. If ppls setup break
>>> from one minor to the next they lost trust and upgrade ways too late
>>> although there should be no reason.
>>>
>>> WDYT?
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Andreas
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> Hi team,
>>>>
>>>> As you know, OSGi core 5.0.0 has been released.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to discuss about which version of Karaf should support
>> which
>>>> version of the OSGi core (and so the corresponding OSGi frameworks).
>>>>
>>>> I have the following proposal:
>>>>
>>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>> - Karaf 3.0.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>> - Karaf 3.1.x => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>>
>>>> I would wait Karaf 3.1.x to update to OSGi core 5.0.0 as the OSGi
>> frameworks
>>>> are not yet fully ready on this specification.
>>>>
>>>> WDYT ?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>> --
>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>
>>
>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [DISCUSSION] OSGi core version in Karaf version
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Scott England-Sullivan <sully6768@gmail.com
> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> What was the final outcome on this? Is Karaf-2.3.x going to be based on
> OSGi 4.3?
>
Karaf 2.3.x is laready using OSGi 4.3
>
> Needing to know if I should update the Karaf 2.3.x SCR bundles to the Felix
> DS 1.8.0-SNAPSHOT which has the 4.3 support in it.
>
> Best Regards,
> Scott ES
>
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Freeman Fang <freeman.fang@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > +1 for Andreas's first plan.
> >
> > Freeman
> > －－－－－－－－－－－－－
> > Freeman Fang
> >
> > FuseSource
> > Email:ffang@fusesource.com
> > Web: fusesource.com
> > Twitter: freemanfang
> > Blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.com
> > http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/1473905042
> > weibo: http://weibo.com/u/1473905042
> >
> > On 2012-8-18, at 下午1:19, Andreas Pieber wrote:
> >
> > > TBH I personally would rather prefer:
> > >
> > > - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
> > > - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
> > > - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 4.3.0
> > > - Karaf 4.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
> > >
> > > or
> > >
> > > - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
> > > - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
> > > - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
> > >
> > > I know that both options are not really optimal, but I don't think
> > > that we really want to upgrade the inner core of the entire thing to
> > > the next major version in a minor of Karaf. There where some API
> > > changes from a user lvl of view which disallow to drop the same bundle
> > > into a 4.2/4.3 environment and a 5.0. I do not really fancy the idea
> > > of breaking compatibility between minor releases. If ppls setup break
> > > from one minor to the next they lost trust and upgrade ways too late
> > > although there should be no reason.
> > >
> > > WDYT?
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Andreas
> > >
> > > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> jb@nanthrax.net>
> > wrote:
> > >> Hi team,
> > >>
> > >> As you know, OSGi core 5.0.0 has been released.
> > >>
> > >> I would like to discuss about which version of Karaf should support
> > which
> > >> version of the OSGi core (and so the corresponding OSGi frameworks).
> > >>
> > >> I have the following proposal:
> > >>
> > >> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
> > >> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
> > >> - Karaf 3.0.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
> > >> - Karaf 3.1.x => OSGi core 5.0.0
> > >>
> > >> I would wait Karaf 3.1.x to update to OSGi core 5.0.0 as the OSGi
> > frameworks
> > >> are not yet fully ready on this specification.
> > >>
> > >> WDYT ?
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >> JB
> > >> --
> > >> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> > >> jbonofre@apache.org
> > >> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> > >> Talend - http://www.talend.com
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> --
> Scott England-Sullivan
> ----------------------------------
> FuseSource
> Web: http://www.fusesource.com
> Blog: http://sully6768.blogspot.com
> Twitter: sully6768
>
--
------------------------
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------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
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Re: [DISCUSSION] OSGi core version in Karaf version
Posted by Scott England-Sullivan <su...@gmail.com>.
Hi All,
What was the final outcome on this? Is Karaf-2.3.x going to be based on
OSGi 4.3?
Needing to know if I should update the Karaf 2.3.x SCR bundles to the Felix
DS 1.8.0-SNAPSHOT which has the 4.3 support in it.
Best Regards,
Scott ES
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Freeman Fang <fr...@gmail.com>wrote:
> +1 for Andreas's first plan.
>
> Freeman
> －－－－－－－－－－－－－
> Freeman Fang
>
> FuseSource
> Email:ffang@fusesource.com
> Web: fusesource.com
> Twitter: freemanfang
> Blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.com
> http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/1473905042
> weibo: http://weibo.com/u/1473905042
>
> On 2012-8-18, at 下午1:19, Andreas Pieber wrote:
>
> > TBH I personally would rather prefer:
> >
> > - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
> > - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
> > - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 4.3.0
> > - Karaf 4.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
> >
> > or
> >
> > - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
> > - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
> > - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
> >
> > I know that both options are not really optimal, but I don't think
> > that we really want to upgrade the inner core of the entire thing to
> > the next major version in a minor of Karaf. There where some API
> > changes from a user lvl of view which disallow to drop the same bundle
> > into a 4.2/4.3 environment and a 5.0. I do not really fancy the idea
> > of breaking compatibility between minor releases. If ppls setup break
> > from one minor to the next they lost trust and upgrade ways too late
> > although there should be no reason.
> >
> > WDYT?
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Andreas
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> wrote:
> >> Hi team,
> >>
> >> As you know, OSGi core 5.0.0 has been released.
> >>
> >> I would like to discuss about which version of Karaf should support
> which
> >> version of the OSGi core (and so the corresponding OSGi frameworks).
> >>
> >> I have the following proposal:
> >>
> >> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
> >> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
> >> - Karaf 3.0.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
> >> - Karaf 3.1.x => OSGi core 5.0.0
> >>
> >> I would wait Karaf 3.1.x to update to OSGi core 5.0.0 as the OSGi
> frameworks
> >> are not yet fully ready on this specification.
> >>
> >> WDYT ?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> JB
> >> --
> >> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> >> jbonofre@apache.org
> >> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> >> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>
>
--
--
Scott England-Sullivan
----------------------------------
FuseSource
Web: http://www.fusesource.com
Blog: http://sully6768.blogspot.com
Twitter: sully6768
Re: [DISCUSSION] OSGi core version in Karaf version
Posted by Freeman Fang <fr...@gmail.com>.
+1 for Andreas's first plan.
Freeman
－－－－－－－－－－－－－
Freeman Fang
FuseSource
Email:ffang@fusesource.com
Web: fusesource.com
Twitter: freemanfang
Blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.com
http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/1473905042
weibo: http://weibo.com/u/1473905042
On 2012-8-18, at 下午1:19, Andreas Pieber wrote:
> TBH I personally would rather prefer:
>
> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 4.3.0
> - Karaf 4.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>
> or
>
> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>
> I know that both options are not really optimal, but I don't think
> that we really want to upgrade the inner core of the entire thing to
> the next major version in a minor of Karaf. There where some API
> changes from a user lvl of view which disallow to drop the same bundle
> into a 4.2/4.3 environment and a 5.0. I do not really fancy the idea
> of breaking compatibility between minor releases. If ppls setup break
> from one minor to the next they lost trust and upgrade ways too late
> although there should be no reason.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Kind regards,
> Andreas
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>> Hi team,
>>
>> As you know, OSGi core 5.0.0 has been released.
>>
>> I would like to discuss about which version of Karaf should support which
>> version of the OSGi core (and so the corresponding OSGi frameworks).
>>
>> I have the following proposal:
>>
>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>> - Karaf 3.0.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>> - Karaf 3.1.x => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>
>> I would wait Karaf 3.1.x to update to OSGi core 5.0.0 as the OSGi frameworks
>> are not yet fully ready on this specification.
>>
>> WDYT ?
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [DISCUSSION] OSGi core version in Karaf version
Posted by Scott England-Sullivan <su...@gmail.com>.
All,
As someone who has to help organizations migrate and define adoption plans I much prefer the plan outlined by Andreas. Creating a break in backwards compatibility in a minor release causes a loss of faith in enterprise organizations. That faith is hard to rebuild later on without a compelling reason.
I also believe having a long term roadmap to adopt OSGi r.5 as part of the Karaf 4.0 baseline reinforces good faith. It allows technical leads and architects the time to create a migration plan. It also shows maturity in the leadership of Karaf which makes my life much easier.
Just my two cents.
Scott ES
Scott England-Sullivan
http://FuseSource.com
On Aug 19, 2012, at 6:45 AM, Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> IMHO we don't need to include the same amount of features for 4.0 as
> we did for 3.0 and I neither see any problem releasing Karaf 4 in 6-10
> month...
>
> Kind regards,
> Andreas
>
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org> wrote:
>> We spent one year before releasing 3.x. With this velocity we'll support OSGi 5 in same time as Java will support Jigsaw.
>>
>> IMHO Karaf 4 is too far to plan anything in it, especially that Equinox and Felix will be OSGi 5 compatible in more or less half year, I guess.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>> Wiadomość napisana przez Jean-Baptiste Onofré w dniu 18 sie 2012, o godz. 23:49:
>>
>>> The first solution sounds good to me.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>>
>>> On 08/18/2012 07:19 AM, Andreas Pieber wrote:
>>>> TBH I personally would rather prefer:
>>>>
>>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>> - Karaf 4.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>>
>>>> I know that both options are not really optimal, but I don't think
>>>> that we really want to upgrade the inner core of the entire thing to
>>>> the next major version in a minor of Karaf. There where some API
>>>> changes from a user lvl of view which disallow to drop the same bundle
>>>> into a 4.2/4.3 environment and a 5.0. I do not really fancy the idea
>>>> of breaking compatibility between minor releases. If ppls setup break
>>>> from one minor to the next they lost trust and upgrade ways too late
>>>> although there should be no reason.
>>>>
>>>> WDYT?
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Andreas
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hi team,
>>>>>
>>>>> As you know, OSGi core 5.0.0 has been released.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to discuss about which version of Karaf should support which
>>>>> version of the OSGi core (and so the corresponding OSGi frameworks).
>>>>>
>>>>> I have the following proposal:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>> - Karaf 3.0.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>>> - Karaf 3.1.x => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>>>
>>>>> I would wait Karaf 3.1.x to update to OSGi core 5.0.0 as the OSGi frameworks
>>>>> are not yet fully ready on this specification.
>>>>>
>>>>> WDYT ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> JB
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>
Re: [DISCUSSION] OSGi core version in Karaf version
Posted by Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com>.
IMHO we don't need to include the same amount of features for 4.0 as
we did for 3.0 and I neither see any problem releasing Karaf 4 in 6-10
month...
Kind regards,
Andreas
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org> wrote:
> We spent one year before releasing 3.x. With this velocity we'll support OSGi 5 in same time as Java will support Jigsaw.
>
> IMHO Karaf 4 is too far to plan anything in it, especially that Equinox and Felix will be OSGi 5 compatible in more or less half year, I guess.
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
> Wiadomość napisana przez Jean-Baptiste Onofré w dniu 18 sie 2012, o godz. 23:49:
>
>> The first solution sounds good to me.
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 08/18/2012 07:19 AM, Andreas Pieber wrote:
>>> TBH I personally would rather prefer:
>>>
>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>> - Karaf 4.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>
>>> I know that both options are not really optimal, but I don't think
>>> that we really want to upgrade the inner core of the entire thing to
>>> the next major version in a minor of Karaf. There where some API
>>> changes from a user lvl of view which disallow to drop the same bundle
>>> into a 4.2/4.3 environment and a 5.0. I do not really fancy the idea
>>> of breaking compatibility between minor releases. If ppls setup break
>>> from one minor to the next they lost trust and upgrade ways too late
>>> although there should be no reason.
>>>
>>> WDYT?
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Andreas
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi team,
>>>>
>>>> As you know, OSGi core 5.0.0 has been released.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to discuss about which version of Karaf should support which
>>>> version of the OSGi core (and so the corresponding OSGi frameworks).
>>>>
>>>> I have the following proposal:
>>>>
>>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>> - Karaf 3.0.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>>> - Karaf 3.1.x => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>>
>>>> I would wait Karaf 3.1.x to update to OSGi core 5.0.0 as the OSGi frameworks
>>>> are not yet fully ready on this specification.
>>>>
>>>> WDYT ?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>> --
>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>
Re: [DISCUSSION] OSGi core version in Karaf version
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
We spent one year before releasing 3.x. With this velocity we'll support OSGi 5 in same time as Java will support Jigsaw.
IMHO Karaf 4 is too far to plan anything in it, especially that Equinox and Felix will be OSGi 5 compatible in more or less half year, I guess.
Best regards,
Lukasz
Wiadomość napisana przez Jean-Baptiste Onofré w dniu 18 sie 2012, o godz. 23:49:
> The first solution sounds good to me.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 08/18/2012 07:19 AM, Andreas Pieber wrote:
>> TBH I personally would rather prefer:
>>
>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 4.3.0
>> - Karaf 4.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>
>> or
>>
>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>
>> I know that both options are not really optimal, but I don't think
>> that we really want to upgrade the inner core of the entire thing to
>> the next major version in a minor of Karaf. There where some API
>> changes from a user lvl of view which disallow to drop the same bundle
>> into a 4.2/4.3 environment and a 5.0. I do not really fancy the idea
>> of breaking compatibility between minor releases. If ppls setup break
>> from one minor to the next they lost trust and upgrade ways too late
>> although there should be no reason.
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Andreas
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>> Hi team,
>>>
>>> As you know, OSGi core 5.0.0 has been released.
>>>
>>> I would like to discuss about which version of Karaf should support which
>>> version of the OSGi core (and so the corresponding OSGi frameworks).
>>>
>>> I have the following proposal:
>>>
>>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>> - Karaf 3.0.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>>> - Karaf 3.1.x => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>>
>>> I would wait Karaf 3.1.x to update to OSGi core 5.0.0 as the OSGi frameworks
>>> are not yet fully ready on this specification.
>>>
>>> WDYT ?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>> --
>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [DISCUSSION] OSGi core version in Karaf version
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
The first solution sounds good to me.
Regards
JB
On 08/18/2012 07:19 AM, Andreas Pieber wrote:
> TBH I personally would rather prefer:
>
> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 4.3.0
> - Karaf 4.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>
> or
>
> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>
> I know that both options are not really optimal, but I don't think
> that we really want to upgrade the inner core of the entire thing to
> the next major version in a minor of Karaf. There where some API
> changes from a user lvl of view which disallow to drop the same bundle
> into a 4.2/4.3 environment and a 5.0. I do not really fancy the idea
> of breaking compatibility between minor releases. If ppls setup break
> from one minor to the next they lost trust and upgrade ways too late
> although there should be no reason.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Kind regards,
> Andreas
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>> Hi team,
>>
>> As you know, OSGi core 5.0.0 has been released.
>>
>> I would like to discuss about which version of Karaf should support which
>> version of the OSGi core (and so the corresponding OSGi frameworks).
>>
>> I have the following proposal:
>>
>> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>> - Karaf 3.0.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
>> - Karaf 3.1.x => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>
>> I would wait Karaf 3.1.x to update to OSGi core 5.0.0 as the OSGi frameworks
>> are not yet fully ready on this specification.
>>
>> WDYT ?
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
--
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jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [DISCUSSION] OSGi core version in Karaf version
Posted by Christian Schneider <ch...@die-schneider.net>.
Sounds good. Would be too late to change the major OSGi version for 3.x.
Christian
Am 18.08.2012 14:12, schrieb Jamie G.:
> I agree that we should not change major OSGi core versions on minor releases.
>
> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 4.3.0
> - Karaf 4.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>
> The above works for me.
>
> Cheers,
> Jamie
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I've no problem with either of those since the 4.3 release of the core
>>> does not break backward compatibility (compared to 5.0) --> also fine
>>> with that approach (BUT, AFAIK 2.3.x had been ported to 4.3 already)
>>>
>> Then our views are completely aligned :-)
>>
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>> *
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>>
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Re: [DISCUSSION] OSGi core version in Karaf version
Posted by Achim Nierbeck <bc...@googlemail.com>.
Hi all,
yeah I'm also for this
Karaf 3.0 sticks to 4.3 (OSGi Core)
and Karaf 4.0 to 5.0
regards, Achim
2012/8/18 Jamie G. <ja...@gmail.com>:
> I agree that we should not change major OSGi core versions on minor releases.
>
> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 4.3.0
> - Karaf 4.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>
> The above works for me.
>
> Cheers,
> Jamie
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've no problem with either of those since the 4.3 release of the core
>>> does not break backward compatibility (compared to 5.0) --> also fine
>>> with that approach (BUT, AFAIK 2.3.x had been ported to 4.3 already)
>>>
>>
>> Then our views are completely aligned :-)
>>
>> --
>> *Ioannis Canellos*
>> *
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>>
>> **
>> Blog: http://iocanel.blogspot.com
>> **
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>> *
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Re: [DISCUSSION] OSGi core version in Karaf version
Posted by "Jamie G." <ja...@gmail.com>.
I agree that we should not change major OSGi core versions on minor releases.
- Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 4.3.0
- Karaf 4.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
The above works for me.
Cheers,
Jamie
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've no problem with either of those since the 4.3 release of the core
>> does not break backward compatibility (compared to 5.0) --> also fine
>> with that approach (BUT, AFAIK 2.3.x had been ported to 4.3 already)
>>
>
> Then our views are completely aligned :-)
>
> --
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> *
> FuseSource <http://fusesource.com>
>
> **
> Blog: http://iocanel.blogspot.com
> **
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> *
Re: [DISCUSSION] OSGi core version in Karaf version
Posted by Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com>.
>
> I've no problem with either of those since the 4.3 release of the core
> does not break backward compatibility (compared to 5.0) --> also fine
> with that approach (BUT, AFAIK 2.3.x had been ported to 4.3 already)
>
Then our views are completely aligned :-)
--
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*
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**
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**
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*
Re: [DISCUSSION] OSGi core version in Karaf version
Posted by Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com>.
I've no problem with either of those since the 4.3 release of the core
does not break backward compatibility (compared to 5.0) --> also fine
with that approach (BUT, AFAIK 2.3.x had been ported to 4.3 already)
Kind regards,
Andreas
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like Andreas first proposal but with a minor change:
>
> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
>> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.2.0 (at some point we need to deliver new
>> features, without changing the world. For 4.3.0 in the 2.x branches maybe
>> we could have a 2.4.x, 2.5.x version of Karaf)
>>
> - Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 4.3.0
>> - Karaf 4.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>>
>
>
> --
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> *
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>
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Re: [DISCUSSION] OSGi core version in Karaf version
Posted by Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com>.
I like Andreas first proposal but with a minor change:
- Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.2.0 (at some point we need to deliver new
> features, without changing the world. For 4.3.0 in the 2.x branches maybe
> we could have a 2.4.x, 2.5.x version of Karaf)
>
- Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 4.3.0
> - Karaf 4.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
>
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*
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**
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Re: [DISCUSSION] OSGi core version in Karaf version
Posted by Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com>.
TBH I personally would rather prefer:
- Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
- Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
- Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 4.3.0
- Karaf 4.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
or
- Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
- Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
- Karaf 3.x.y => OSGi core 5.0.0
I know that both options are not really optimal, but I don't think
that we really want to upgrade the inner core of the entire thing to
the next major version in a minor of Karaf. There where some API
changes from a user lvl of view which disallow to drop the same bundle
into a 4.2/4.3 environment and a 5.0. I do not really fancy the idea
of breaking compatibility between minor releases. If ppls setup break
from one minor to the next they lost trust and upgrade ways too late
although there should be no reason.
WDYT?
Kind regards,
Andreas
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
> Hi team,
>
> As you know, OSGi core 5.0.0 has been released.
>
> I would like to discuss about which version of Karaf should support which
> version of the OSGi core (and so the corresponding OSGi frameworks).
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> - Karaf 2.2.x => OSGi core 4.2.0
> - Karaf 2.3.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
> - Karaf 3.0.x => OSGi core 4.3.0
> - Karaf 3.1.x => OSGi core 5.0.0
>
> I would wait Karaf 3.1.x to update to OSGi core 5.0.0 as the OSGi frameworks
> are not yet fully ready on this specification.
>
> WDYT ?
>
> Regards
> JB
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com