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Posted to dev@bval.apache.org by Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> on 2011/05/06 02:36:25 UTC
Where to, Bean Validation?
All,
The Apache Incubator is an entry point for bringing new projects into the Apache Software Foundation. It's not a final resting point, however... So, my question for the community is what would you like to do? You've had 3 successful releases. The community has grown. It's time to discuss what you'd like to do next.
When initially proposed, one possibility was for the project to graduate as a subproject of Apache Commons (replacing or becoming the 2.0 version of the Validator subproject). If the community prefers, you can consider becoming a top-level project. Or perhaps there are other TLP's you'd like to join?
First step is to decide what you'd like to do...
--kevan
Re: Where to, Bean Validation?
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
yup +1 for TLP
There are quite a few other TLPs which are depending on BVAL.
And it has it's own TCK and time frame. All in all JSR-303 has well specified edges and connections to other EE specs.
Commons is more the brew_your_own_stuff thingy and I'm not sure if all the TCK stuff would fit for them.
LieGrue,
strub
----- Original Message -----
> From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
> To: bval-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Friday, May 6, 2011 7:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Where to, Bean Validation?
>
> +1 for a top-level project
>
> regards,
> gerhard
>
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> 2011/5/6 Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>
>
>> All,
>> The Apache Incubator is an entry point for bringing new projects into the
>> Apache Software Foundation. It's not a final resting point, however...
> So,
>> my question for the community is what would you like to do? You've had
> 3
>> successful releases. The community has grown. It's time to discuss what
>> you'd like to do next.
>>
>> When initially proposed, one possibility was for the project to graduate as
>> a subproject of Apache Commons (replacing or becoming the 2.0 version of
> the
>> Validator subproject). If the community prefers, you can consider becoming
> a
>> top-level project. Or perhaps there are other TLP's you'd like to
> join?
>>
>> First step is to decide what you'd like to do...
>>
>> --kevan
>
Re: Where to, Bean Validation?
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>.
+1 for a top-level project
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/5/6 Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>
> All,
> The Apache Incubator is an entry point for bringing new projects into the
> Apache Software Foundation. It's not a final resting point, however... So,
> my question for the community is what would you like to do? You've had 3
> successful releases. The community has grown. It's time to discuss what
> you'd like to do next.
>
> When initially proposed, one possibility was for the project to graduate as
> a subproject of Apache Commons (replacing or becoming the 2.0 version of the
> Validator subproject). If the community prefers, you can consider becoming a
> top-level project. Or perhaps there are other TLP's you'd like to join?
>
> First step is to decide what you'd like to do...
>
> --kevan
Re: Where to, Bean Validation?
Posted by Jeremy Bauer <te...@gmail.com>.
I missed this discussion earlier. +1 for a TLP.
-Jeremy
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Simone Tripodi
<si...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi all guys,
> sorry for joining so late the discussion but I got too much distracted
> by apache-commons :P
> Indeed, I think that Commons would be the perfect place to host BVAL,
> IMHO perfectly fits as commons-validator2.
> Anyway I don't have any objection on proposing it as TLP if the
> majority thinks that that's BVAL future.
> Thanks!!!
>
> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> http://www.99soft.org/
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din
> <no...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> +1 for TLP - @see my comments below
>>
>> Hi...
>>
>> I know I've not been active *at all* on this project, but allow me
>> to add some comments on my vote. As Albert Lee said, it is a
>> technology which can have its own path and growth.
>>
>> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Albert Lee <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> With the potential of future feature enhancements and usage from other
>>> depending projects, it feels like TLP is the right home for this technology.
>>>
>>> Albert Lee.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All,
>>>> The Apache Incubator is an entry point for bringing new projects into the
>>>> Apache Software Foundation. It's not a final resting point, however... So,
>>>> my question for the community is what would you like to do? You've had 3
>>>> successful releases. The community has grown. It's time to discuss what
>>>> you'd like to do next.
>>>>
>>>> When initially proposed, one possibility was for the project to graduate as
>>>> a subproject of Apache Commons (replacing or becoming the 2.0 version of the
>>>> Validator subproject). If the community prefers, you can consider becoming a
>>>> top-level project. Or perhaps there are other TLP's you'd like to join?
>>>>
>>>> First step is to decide what you'd like to do...
>>>>
>>>> --kevan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Albert Lee.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks
>> - Mohammad Nour
>> Author of (WebSphere Application Server Community Edition 2.0 User Guide)
>> http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html
>> - LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour
>> - Blog: http://tadabborat.blogspot.com
>> ----
>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
>> - Albert Einstein
>>
>> "Writing clean code is what you must do in order to call yourself a
>> professional. There is no reasonable excuse for doing anything less
>> than your best."
>> - Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship
>>
>> "Stay hungry, stay foolish."
>> - Steve Jobs
>>
>
Re: Where to, Bean Validation?
Posted by Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>.
On Jun 4, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Niall Pemberton wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Gerhard Petracek <gp...@apache.org> wrote:
>> imo they can join the effort in any case. i won't use project borders as an
>> argument (since we are still within the asf).
>
> +1 - commons knew about this incubating effort and could have joined in.
>
> I would say the only reason to go to commons would be if there were
> not enough active people for a TLP to function. If there are then a
> TLP would be better IMO.
Agreed. Also, the bar for a sub-project is perhaps a bit lower than a TLP. Either way, the community will need to drive graduation. It won't happen on it's own.
--kevan
Re: Where to, Bean Validation?
Posted by Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>.
I'd like to see the community coming to some sort of conclusion (and acting on that conclusion :).
I think the majority felt that a TLP was best. Some others felt a Commons sub-project would be best. I'm fine with either outcome. I'll note that I do not plan on participating in the bval community post-graduation (beyond continuing in a mentor's role to insure a successful transition for the project).
Members of the community (volunteers?) will have to drive the graduation process. If we aren't willing to do this, well then maybe graduation is not an appropriate next step for Bean Validation...
--kevan
Re: Where to, Bean Validation?
Posted by Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Gerhard Petracek <gp...@apache.org> wrote:
> imo they can join the effort in any case. i won't use project borders as an
> argument (since we are still within the asf).
+1 - commons knew about this incubating effort and could have joined in.
I would say the only reason to go to commons would be if there were
not enough active people for a TLP to function. If there are then a
TLP would be better IMO.
Niall
> regards,
> gerhard
>
>
>
> 2011/6/4 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>
>> actually if there are people over at commons interested in helping out,
>> then this might be a very valuable option.
>>
>> However, we need to make sure that there are not too many dependencies
>> pulled in into bval.
>>
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>>
>> --- On Sat, 6/4/11, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: Where to, Bean Validation?
>> > To: bval-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> > Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 6:45 AM
>> >
>> > On May 27, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Simone Tripodi wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi all guys,
>> > > sorry for joining so late the discussion but I got too
>> > much distracted
>> > > by apache-commons :P
>> > > Indeed, I think that Commons would be the perfect
>> > place to host BVAL,
>> > > IMHO perfectly fits as commons-validator2.
>> > > Anyway I don't have any objection on proposing it as
>> > TLP if the
>> > > majority thinks that that's BVAL future.
>> >
>> > I'm pretty much in agreement with Simone. It seems the
>> > majority would favor TLP, however -- which is fine, too.
>> >
>> > So... if the community wants to graduate, the community
>> > will need to make it happen... Incubation is not a process
>> > that lasts forever. We should be moving towards graduation
>> > -- http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>> >
>> > --kevan
>>
>
Re: Where to, Bean Validation?
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <gp...@apache.org>.
imo they can join the effort in any case. i won't use project borders as an
argument (since we are still within the asf).
regards,
gerhard
2011/6/4 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> actually if there are people over at commons interested in helping out,
> then this might be a very valuable option.
>
> However, we need to make sure that there are not too many dependencies
> pulled in into bval.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
> --- On Sat, 6/4/11, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: Where to, Bean Validation?
> > To: bval-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 6:45 AM
> >
> > On May 27, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Simone Tripodi wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all guys,
> > > sorry for joining so late the discussion but I got too
> > much distracted
> > > by apache-commons :P
> > > Indeed, I think that Commons would be the perfect
> > place to host BVAL,
> > > IMHO perfectly fits as commons-validator2.
> > > Anyway I don't have any objection on proposing it as
> > TLP if the
> > > majority thinks that that's BVAL future.
> >
> > I'm pretty much in agreement with Simone. It seems the
> > majority would favor TLP, however -- which is fine, too.
> >
> > So... if the community wants to graduate, the community
> > will need to make it happen... Incubation is not a process
> > that lasts forever. We should be moving towards graduation
> > -- http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> >
> > --kevan
>
Re: Where to, Bean Validation?
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
actually if there are people over at commons interested in helping out, then this might be a very valuable option.
However, we need to make sure that there are not too many dependencies pulled in into bval.
LieGrue,
strub
--- On Sat, 6/4/11, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Where to, Bean Validation?
> To: bval-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 6:45 AM
>
> On May 27, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Simone Tripodi wrote:
>
> > Hi all guys,
> > sorry for joining so late the discussion but I got too
> much distracted
> > by apache-commons :P
> > Indeed, I think that Commons would be the perfect
> place to host BVAL,
> > IMHO perfectly fits as commons-validator2.
> > Anyway I don't have any objection on proposing it as
> TLP if the
> > majority thinks that that's BVAL future.
>
> I'm pretty much in agreement with Simone. It seems the
> majority would favor TLP, however -- which is fine, too.
>
> So... if the community wants to graduate, the community
> will need to make it happen... Incubation is not a process
> that lasts forever. We should be moving towards graduation
> -- http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>
> --kevan
Re: Where to, Bean Validation?
Posted by Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>.
On May 27, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Simone Tripodi wrote:
> Hi all guys,
> sorry for joining so late the discussion but I got too much distracted
> by apache-commons :P
> Indeed, I think that Commons would be the perfect place to host BVAL,
> IMHO perfectly fits as commons-validator2.
> Anyway I don't have any objection on proposing it as TLP if the
> majority thinks that that's BVAL future.
I'm pretty much in agreement with Simone. It seems the majority would favor TLP, however -- which is fine, too.
So... if the community wants to graduate, the community will need to make it happen... Incubation is not a process that lasts forever. We should be moving towards graduation -- http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
--kevan
Re: Where to, Bean Validation?
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
Hi all guys,
sorry for joining so late the discussion but I got too much distracted
by apache-commons :P
Indeed, I think that Commons would be the perfect place to host BVAL,
IMHO perfectly fits as commons-validator2.
Anyway I don't have any objection on proposing it as TLP if the
majority thinks that that's BVAL future.
Thanks!!!
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din
<no...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 for TLP - @see my comments below
>
> Hi...
>
> I know I've not been active *at all* on this project, but allow me
> to add some comments on my vote. As Albert Lee said, it is a
> technology which can have its own path and growth.
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Albert Lee <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> With the potential of future feature enhancements and usage from other
>> depending projects, it feels like TLP is the right home for this technology.
>>
>> Albert Lee.
>>
>> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>> The Apache Incubator is an entry point for bringing new projects into the
>>> Apache Software Foundation. It's not a final resting point, however... So,
>>> my question for the community is what would you like to do? You've had 3
>>> successful releases. The community has grown. It's time to discuss what
>>> you'd like to do next.
>>>
>>> When initially proposed, one possibility was for the project to graduate as
>>> a subproject of Apache Commons (replacing or becoming the 2.0 version of the
>>> Validator subproject). If the community prefers, you can consider becoming a
>>> top-level project. Or perhaps there are other TLP's you'd like to join?
>>>
>>> First step is to decide what you'd like to do...
>>>
>>> --kevan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Albert Lee.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> - Mohammad Nour
> Author of (WebSphere Application Server Community Edition 2.0 User Guide)
> http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html
> - LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour
> - Blog: http://tadabborat.blogspot.com
> ----
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
> - Albert Einstein
>
> "Writing clean code is what you must do in order to call yourself a
> professional. There is no reasonable excuse for doing anything less
> than your best."
> - Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship
>
> "Stay hungry, stay foolish."
> - Steve Jobs
>
Re: Where to, Bean Validation?
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
+1 for TLP - @see my comments below
Hi...
I know I've not been active *at all* on this project, but allow me
to add some comments on my vote. As Albert Lee said, it is a
technology which can have its own path and growth.
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Albert Lee <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> With the potential of future feature enhancements and usage from other
> depending projects, it feels like TLP is the right home for this technology.
>
> Albert Lee.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> The Apache Incubator is an entry point for bringing new projects into the
>> Apache Software Foundation. It's not a final resting point, however... So,
>> my question for the community is what would you like to do? You've had 3
>> successful releases. The community has grown. It's time to discuss what
>> you'd like to do next.
>>
>> When initially proposed, one possibility was for the project to graduate as
>> a subproject of Apache Commons (replacing or becoming the 2.0 version of the
>> Validator subproject). If the community prefers, you can consider becoming a
>> top-level project. Or perhaps there are other TLP's you'd like to join?
>>
>> First step is to decide what you'd like to do...
>>
>> --kevan
>
>
>
>
> --
> Albert Lee.
>
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
Author of (WebSphere Application Server Community Edition 2.0 User Guide)
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html
- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour
- Blog: http://tadabborat.blogspot.com
----
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein
"Writing clean code is what you must do in order to call yourself a
professional. There is no reasonable excuse for doing anything less
than your best."
- Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship
"Stay hungry, stay foolish."
- Steve Jobs
Re: Where to, Bean Validation?
Posted by Albert Lee <al...@gmail.com>.
With the potential of future feature enhancements and usage from other
depending projects, it feels like TLP is the right home for this technology.
Albert Lee.
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> All,
> The Apache Incubator is an entry point for bringing new projects into the
> Apache Software Foundation. It's not a final resting point, however... So,
> my question for the community is what would you like to do? You've had 3
> successful releases. The community has grown. It's time to discuss what
> you'd like to do next.
>
> When initially proposed, one possibility was for the project to graduate as
> a subproject of Apache Commons (replacing or becoming the 2.0 version of the
> Validator subproject). If the community prefers, you can consider becoming a
> top-level project. Or perhaps there are other TLP's you'd like to join?
>
> First step is to decide what you'd like to do...
>
> --kevan
--
Albert Lee.