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google mini? who needs it when Lucene is there
Hi,
I was searching using google and just found that there was a new
feature called "google mini". Initially I thought it was another free
service for small companies. Then I realized that it costs quite some
money ($4,995) for the hardware and software. (I guess the proprietary
software costs a whole lot more than actual hardware.)
The "nice" feature is that, you can only index up to 50,000 documents
with this price. If you need to index more, sorry, send in the
check...
It seems to me that any small biz will be ripped off if they install
this google mini thing, compared to using Lucene to implement a easy
to use search software, which could search up to whatever number of
documents you could image.
I hope the lucene project could get exposed more to the enterprise so
that people know that they have not only cheaper but more importantly,
BETTER alternatives.
Jian
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competition - Re: rackmount lucene/nutch - Re: google mini? who needs
it when Lucene is there
Posted by David Spencer <da...@tropo.com>.
I wasn't sure where in this thread to reply so I'm replying to myself :)
What search appliances exist now?
I only found 3:
[1] Google
[2] Thunderstone
http://www.thunderstone.com/texis/site/pages/Appliance.html
[3] IndexEngines (not out yet)
http://www.indexengines.com/
------
Also, out of curiosity, do people have appliance h/w vendors they like?
These guys seem like they have nice options for pretty colors:
http://www.mbx.com/oem/index.cfm
http://www.mbx.com/oem/options/
David Spencer wrote:
> This reminds me, has anyone every discussed something similar:
>
> - rackmount server ( or for coolness factor, that mini mac)
> - web i/f for config/control
>
> - of course the server would have the following s/w:
> -- web server
> -- lucene / nutch
>
> Part of the work here I think is having a decent web i/f to configure
> the thing and to customize the L&F of the search results.
>
>
>
> jian chen wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was searching using google and just found that there was a new
>> feature called "google mini". Initially I thought it was another free
>> service for small companies. Then I realized that it costs quite some
>> money ($4,995) for the hardware and software. (I guess the proprietary
>> software costs a whole lot more than actual hardware.)
>>
>> The "nice" feature is that, you can only index up to 50,000 documents
>> with this price. If you need to index more, sorry, send in the
>> check...
>>
>> It seems to me that any small biz will be ripped off if they install
>> this google mini thing, compared to using Lucene to implement a easy
>> to use search software, which could search up to whatever number of
>> documents you could image.
>>
>> I hope the lucene project could get exposed more to the enterprise so
>> that people know that they have not only cheaper but more importantly,
>> BETTER alternatives.
>>
>> Jian
>>
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Re: rackmount lucene/nutch - Re: google mini? who needs it when Lucene is there
Posted by Erik Hatcher <er...@ehatchersolutions.com>.
I've often said that there is a business to be had in packaging up
Lucene (and now Nutch) into a cute little box with user friendly
management software to search your intranet. SearchBlox is already
there (except they don't include the box).
I really hope that an application like SearchBlox/Zilverline can be
created as part of the Lucene project itself, replacing the sad demos
that currently ship with Lucene. I've got so many things on my plate
that I don't foresee myself getting to this as soon as I'd like, but I
would most definitely support and contribute what time I could to such
an effort. If the web UI used Tapestry, I'd be very inclined to dig in
hardcore to it. Any other web UI technology would likely turn me off.
One of these days I'll Tapestry-ify Nutch just for grins and submit it
as a replacement for the JSPs.
And I'm even more sold on it if Mac Mini's are involved! :)
Erik
On Jan 27, 2005, at 7:16 PM, David Spencer wrote:
> This reminds me, has anyone every discussed something similar:
>
> - rackmount server ( or for coolness factor, that mini mac)
> - web i/f for config/control
>
> - of course the server would have the following s/w:
> -- web server
> -- lucene / nutch
>
> Part of the work here I think is having a decent web i/f to configure
> the thing and to customize the L&F of the search results.
>
>
>
> jian chen wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I was searching using google and just found that there was a new
>> feature called "google mini". Initially I thought it was another free
>> service for small companies. Then I realized that it costs quite some
>> money ($4,995) for the hardware and software. (I guess the proprietary
>> software costs a whole lot more than actual hardware.)
>> The "nice" feature is that, you can only index up to 50,000 documents
>> with this price. If you need to index more, sorry, send in the
>> check...
>> It seems to me that any small biz will be ripped off if they install
>> this google mini thing, compared to using Lucene to implement a easy
>> to use search software, which could search up to whatever number of
>> documents you could image.
>> I hope the lucene project could get exposed more to the enterprise so
>> that people know that they have not only cheaper but more importantly,
>> BETTER alternatives.
>> Jian
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Re: rackmount lucene/nutch - Re: google mini? who needs it when Lucene is there
Posted by Chris Lamprecht <cl...@gmail.com>.
As they say, nothing lasts forever ;)
I like the idea. If a project like this gets going, I think I'd be
interested in helping.
The Google mini looks very well done (they have two demos on the web
page). For $5000, it's probably a very good solution for many
businesses. If the demos are accurate, it seems like you almost
literally plug it in, configure a few things using the web interface,
and you're in business. Demos are at
http://www.google.com/enterprise/mini/product_tours_demos.html
-chris
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:40:53 -0800 (PST), Otis Gospodnetic
<ot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I discuss this with myself a lot.... inside my head... :)
> Seriously, I agree with Erik. I think this is a business opportunity.
> How many people are hating me now and going "shhhhhh"? Raise your
> hands!
>
> Otis
>
> --- David Spencer <da...@tropo.com> wrote:
>
> > This reminds me, has anyone every discussed something similar:
> >
> > - rackmount server ( or for coolness factor, that mini mac)
> > - web i/f for config/control
> >
> > - of course the server would have the following s/w:
> > -- web server
> > -- lucene / nutch
> >
> > Part of the work here I think is having a decent web i/f to configure
> >
> > the thing and to customize the L&F of the search results.
> >
> >
> >
> > jian chen wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I was searching using google and just found that there was a new
> > > feature called "google mini". Initially I thought it was another
> > free
> > > service for small companies. Then I realized that it costs quite
> > some
> > > money ($4,995) for the hardware and software. (I guess the
> > proprietary
> > > software costs a whole lot more than actual hardware.)
> > >
> > > The "nice" feature is that, you can only index up to 50,000
> > documents
> > > with this price. If you need to index more, sorry, send in the
> > > check...
> > >
> > > It seems to me that any small biz will be ripped off if they
> > install
> > > this google mini thing, compared to using Lucene to implement a
> > easy
> > > to use search software, which could search up to whatever number of
> > > documents you could image.
> > >
> > > I hope the lucene project could get exposed more to the enterprise
> > so
> > > that people know that they have not only cheaper but more
> > importantly,
> > > BETTER alternatives.
> > >
> > > Jian
> > >
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Re: rackmount lucene/nutch - Re: google mini? who needs it when Lucene
is there
Posted by David Spencer <da...@tropo.com>.
Jason Polites wrote:
> I think everyone agrees that this would be a very neat application of
> opensource technology like Lucene... however (opens drawer, pulls out
> devil's advocate hat, places on head)... there are several complexities
> here not addressed by Lucene (et. al). Not because Lucene isn't damn
> fantastic, just because it's not its job.
>
> One of the big ones is security. Enterprise search is no good if it
> doesn't match up with the authentication and authorization paradigms
> existing in the organisation. How useful is it to return a whole bunch
> of search results for documents to which you don't have access? Not to
> mention the issues around whether you are even authorized to know it
> exists.
I was gonna mention this - you beat me to the punch. I suspect that
LDAP/JNDI itegration is a start, but you need hooks for an arbitrary
auth plugin. And once we address this it might be the case that a user
has to *log in* to the search server. We have Verity where I work and
this is all the case, along w/ the fact that a sale seems to involve
mandatory consulting work (not that that's bad, but if you're trying to
ship a shrink wrapped search engine in a box then this is an issue).
>
> The other prickly one is file types. It's all well and good to index
> HTML, XML and text but when you start looking at PDF, MS Office (OLE
> docs, PSTs, Outlook MSG files, MS Project files etc), Lotus Notes
> databases etc etc, things begin to look less simple and far less elegant
> than a nice clean lucene rackmount. Sure there are great projects like
> Apache POI but they are still have a bit of a way to go before they
> mature to a point of really solving these problems. After which time
> Microsoft will probably be rolling out Longhorn and everyone may need to
> start from scratch.
Also need http://jcifs.samba.org/ so you can spider windows file shares.
>
> This is not to say that it's not a great idea, but as with most great
> ideas the challenge is not the formation of the idea, but its
> implementation.
Indeed.
>
> I think a great first step would be to start developing good, reliable,
> opensource extensions to Lucene which strive to solve some of these issues.
>
> end rant.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Otis Gospodnetic"
> <ot...@yahoo.com>
> To: "Lucene Users List" <lu...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 12:40 PM
> Subject: Re: rackmount lucene/nutch - Re: google mini? who needs it when
> Lucene is there
>
>
>> I discuss this with myself a lot.... inside my head... :)
>> Seriously, I agree with Erik. I think this is a business opportunity.
>> How many people are hating me now and going "shhhhhh"? Raise your
>> hands!
>>
>> Otis
>>
>> --- David Spencer <da...@tropo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This reminds me, has anyone every discussed something similar:
>>>
>>> - rackmount server ( or for coolness factor, that mini mac)
>>> - web i/f for config/control
>>>
>>> - of course the server would have the following s/w:
>>> -- web server
>>> -- lucene / nutch
>>>
>>> Part of the work here I think is having a decent web i/f to configure
>>>
>>> the thing and to customize the L&F of the search results.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> jian chen wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I was searching using google and just found that there was a new
>>> > feature called "google mini". Initially I thought it was another
>>> free
>>> > service for small companies. Then I realized that it costs quite
>>> some
>>> > money ($4,995) for the hardware and software. (I guess the
>>> proprietary
>>> > software costs a whole lot more than actual hardware.)
>>> >
>>> > The "nice" feature is that, you can only index up to 50,000
>>> documents
>>> > with this price. If you need to index more, sorry, send in the
>>> > check...
>>> >
>>> > It seems to me that any small biz will be ripped off if they
>>> install
>>> > this google mini thing, compared to using Lucene to implement a
>>> easy
>>> > to use search software, which could search up to whatever number of
>>> > documents you could image.
>>> >
>>> > I hope the lucene project could get exposed more to the enterprise
>>> so
>>> > that people know that they have not only cheaper but more
>>> importantly,
>>> > BETTER alternatives.
>>> >
>>> > Jian
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: rackmount lucene/nutch - Re: google mini? who needs it when Lucene is there
Posted by Jason Polites <ja...@tpg.com.au>.
I think everyone agrees that this would be a very neat application of
opensource technology like Lucene... however (opens drawer, pulls out
devil's advocate hat, places on head)... there are several complexities here
not addressed by Lucene (et. al). Not because Lucene isn't damn fantastic,
just because it's not its job.
One of the big ones is security. Enterprise search is no good if it doesn't
match up with the authentication and authorization paradigms existing in the
organisation. How useful is it to return a whole bunch of search results
for documents to which you don't have access? Not to mention the issues
around whether you are even authorized to know it exists.
The other prickly one is file types. It's all well and good to index HTML,
XML and text but when you start looking at PDF, MS Office (OLE docs, PSTs,
Outlook MSG files, MS Project files etc), Lotus Notes databases etc etc,
things begin to look less simple and far less elegant than a nice clean
lucene rackmount. Sure there are great projects like Apache POI but they
are still have a bit of a way to go before they mature to a point of really
solving these problems. After which time Microsoft will probably be rolling
out Longhorn and everyone may need to start from scratch.
This is not to say that it's not a great idea, but as with most great ideas
the challenge is not the formation of the idea, but its implementation.
I think a great first step would be to start developing good, reliable,
opensource extensions to Lucene which strive to solve some of these issues.
end rant.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Otis Gospodnetic" <ot...@yahoo.com>
To: "Lucene Users List" <lu...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: rackmount lucene/nutch - Re: google mini? who needs it when
Lucene is there
>I discuss this with myself a lot.... inside my head... :)
> Seriously, I agree with Erik. I think this is a business opportunity.
> How many people are hating me now and going "shhhhhh"? Raise your
> hands!
>
> Otis
>
> --- David Spencer <da...@tropo.com> wrote:
>
>> This reminds me, has anyone every discussed something similar:
>>
>> - rackmount server ( or for coolness factor, that mini mac)
>> - web i/f for config/control
>>
>> - of course the server would have the following s/w:
>> -- web server
>> -- lucene / nutch
>>
>> Part of the work here I think is having a decent web i/f to configure
>>
>> the thing and to customize the L&F of the search results.
>>
>>
>>
>> jian chen wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I was searching using google and just found that there was a new
>> > feature called "google mini". Initially I thought it was another
>> free
>> > service for small companies. Then I realized that it costs quite
>> some
>> > money ($4,995) for the hardware and software. (I guess the
>> proprietary
>> > software costs a whole lot more than actual hardware.)
>> >
>> > The "nice" feature is that, you can only index up to 50,000
>> documents
>> > with this price. If you need to index more, sorry, send in the
>> > check...
>> >
>> > It seems to me that any small biz will be ripped off if they
>> install
>> > this google mini thing, compared to using Lucene to implement a
>> easy
>> > to use search software, which could search up to whatever number of
>> > documents you could image.
>> >
>> > I hope the lucene project could get exposed more to the enterprise
>> so
>> > that people know that they have not only cheaper but more
>> importantly,
>> > BETTER alternatives.
>> >
>> > Jian
>> >
>> >
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Re: rackmount lucene/nutch - Re: google mini? who needs it when Lucene is there
Posted by Otis Gospodnetic <ot...@yahoo.com>.
I discuss this with myself a lot.... inside my head... :)
Seriously, I agree with Erik. I think this is a business opportunity.
How many people are hating me now and going "shhhhhh"? Raise your
hands!
Otis
--- David Spencer <da...@tropo.com> wrote:
> This reminds me, has anyone every discussed something similar:
>
> - rackmount server ( or for coolness factor, that mini mac)
> - web i/f for config/control
>
> - of course the server would have the following s/w:
> -- web server
> -- lucene / nutch
>
> Part of the work here I think is having a decent web i/f to configure
>
> the thing and to customize the L&F of the search results.
>
>
>
> jian chen wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was searching using google and just found that there was a new
> > feature called "google mini". Initially I thought it was another
> free
> > service for small companies. Then I realized that it costs quite
> some
> > money ($4,995) for the hardware and software. (I guess the
> proprietary
> > software costs a whole lot more than actual hardware.)
> >
> > The "nice" feature is that, you can only index up to 50,000
> documents
> > with this price. If you need to index more, sorry, send in the
> > check...
> >
> > It seems to me that any small biz will be ripped off if they
> install
> > this google mini thing, compared to using Lucene to implement a
> easy
> > to use search software, which could search up to whatever number of
> > documents you could image.
> >
> > I hope the lucene project could get exposed more to the enterprise
> so
> > that people know that they have not only cheaper but more
> importantly,
> > BETTER alternatives.
> >
> > Jian
> >
> >
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rackmount lucene/nutch - Re: google mini? who needs it when Lucene
is there
Posted by David Spencer <da...@tropo.com>.
This reminds me, has anyone every discussed something similar:
- rackmount server ( or for coolness factor, that mini mac)
- web i/f for config/control
- of course the server would have the following s/w:
-- web server
-- lucene / nutch
Part of the work here I think is having a decent web i/f to configure
the thing and to customize the L&F of the search results.
jian chen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was searching using google and just found that there was a new
> feature called "google mini". Initially I thought it was another free
> service for small companies. Then I realized that it costs quite some
> money ($4,995) for the hardware and software. (I guess the proprietary
> software costs a whole lot more than actual hardware.)
>
> The "nice" feature is that, you can only index up to 50,000 documents
> with this price. If you need to index more, sorry, send in the
> check...
>
> It seems to me that any small biz will be ripped off if they install
> this google mini thing, compared to using Lucene to implement a easy
> to use search software, which could search up to whatever number of
> documents you could image.
>
> I hope the lucene project could get exposed more to the enterprise so
> that people know that they have not only cheaper but more importantly,
> BETTER alternatives.
>
> Jian
>
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Re: google mini? who needs it when Lucene is there
Posted by John Wang <jo...@gmail.com>.
I think Google mini also includes crawling and a server wrapper. So it
is not entirely an 1-to-1 comparison.
Of couse extending lucene to have those features are not at all
difficult anyway.
-John
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:04:54 -0800 (PST), Xiaohong Yang (Sharon)
<sh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I agree that Google mini is quite expensive. It might be similar to the desktop version in quality. Anyone knows google's ratio of index to text? Is it true that Lucene's index is about 500 times the original text size (not including image size)? I don't have one installed, so I cannot measure.
>
> Best,
>
> Sharon
>
> jian chen <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was searching using google and just found that there was a new
> feature called "google mini". Initially I thought it was another free
> service for small companies. Then I realized that it costs quite some
> money ($4,995) for the hardware and software. (I guess the proprietary
> software costs a whole lot more than actual hardware.)
>
> The "nice" feature is that, you can only index up to 50,000 documents
> with this price. If you need to index more, sorry, send in the
> check...
>
> It seems to me that any small biz will be ripped off if they install
> this google mini thing, compared to using Lucene to implement a easy
> to use search software, which could search up to whatever number of
> documents you could image.
>
> I hope the lucene project could get exposed more to the enterprise so
> that people know that they have not only cheaper but more importantly,
> BETTER alternatives.
>
> Jian
>
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Re: google mini? who needs it when Lucene is there
Posted by David Spencer <da...@tropo.com>.
Xiaohong Yang (Sharon) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I agree that Google mini is quite expensive. It might be similar to the desktop version in quality. Anyone knows google's ratio of index to text? Is it true that Lucene's index is about 500 times the original text size (not including image size)? I don't have one installed, so I cannot measure.
500:1 for Lucene? I don't think so.
In my wikipedia search engine the data in the MySQL DB I index from is
approx 1.0 GB (sum of lengths of title and body), while the Lucene index
of just these 2 fields is 250MB, thus in this case the Lucene index is
25% of the corpus size.
>
> Best,
>
> Sharon
>
> jian chen <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was searching using google and just found that there was a new
> feature called "google mini". Initially I thought it was another free
> service for small companies. Then I realized that it costs quite some
> money ($4,995) for the hardware and software. (I guess the proprietary
> software costs a whole lot more than actual hardware.)
>
> The "nice" feature is that, you can only index up to 50,000 documents
> with this price. If you need to index more, sorry, send in the
> check...
>
> It seems to me that any small biz will be ripped off if they install
> this google mini thing, compared to using Lucene to implement a easy
> to use search software, which could search up to whatever number of
> documents you could image.
>
> I hope the lucene project could get exposed more to the enterprise so
> that people know that they have not only cheaper but more importantly,
> BETTER alternatives.
>
> Jian
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Re: google mini? who needs it when Lucene is there
Posted by jian chen <ch...@gmail.com>.
Overall, even if google mini gives a lot of cool features compared to
a bare-born lucene project, what is good with the 50,000 documents
limit. It is useless with that limit. That is just their way of trying
to turn it into another cash cow.
Jian
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:45:03 -0800 (PST), Otis Gospodnetic
<ot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 500 times the original data? Not true! :)
>
> Otis
>
> --- "Xiaohong Yang (Sharon)" <sh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I agree that Google mini is quite expensive. It might be similar to
> > the desktop version in quality. Anyone knows google's ratio of index
> > to text? Is it true that Lucene's index is about 500 times the
> > original text size (not including image size)? I don't have one
> > installed, so I cannot measure.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Sharon
> >
> > jian chen <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was searching using google and just found that there was a new
> > feature called "google mini". Initially I thought it was another free
> > service for small companies. Then I realized that it costs quite some
> > money ($4,995) for the hardware and software. (I guess the
> > proprietary
> > software costs a whole lot more than actual hardware.)
> >
> > The "nice" feature is that, you can only index up to 50,000 documents
> > with this price. If you need to index more, sorry, send in the
> > check...
> >
> > It seems to me that any small biz will be ripped off if they install
> > this google mini thing, compared to using Lucene to implement a easy
> > to use search software, which could search up to whatever number of
> > documents you could image.
> >
> > I hope the lucene project could get exposed more to the enterprise so
> > that people know that they have not only cheaper but more
> > importantly,
> > BETTER alternatives.
> >
> > Jian
> >
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Re: google mini? who needs it when Lucene is there
Posted by Otis Gospodnetic <ot...@yahoo.com>.
500 times the original data? Not true! :)
Otis
--- "Xiaohong Yang (Sharon)" <sh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I agree that Google mini is quite expensive. It might be similar to
> the desktop version in quality. Anyone knows google's ratio of index
> to text? Is it true that Lucene's index is about 500 times the
> original text size (not including image size)? I don't have one
> installed, so I cannot measure.
>
> Best,
>
> Sharon
>
> jian chen <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was searching using google and just found that there was a new
> feature called "google mini". Initially I thought it was another free
> service for small companies. Then I realized that it costs quite some
> money ($4,995) for the hardware and software. (I guess the
> proprietary
> software costs a whole lot more than actual hardware.)
>
> The "nice" feature is that, you can only index up to 50,000 documents
> with this price. If you need to index more, sorry, send in the
> check...
>
> It seems to me that any small biz will be ripped off if they install
> this google mini thing, compared to using Lucene to implement a easy
> to use search software, which could search up to whatever number of
> documents you could image.
>
> I hope the lucene project could get exposed more to the enterprise so
> that people know that they have not only cheaper but more
> importantly,
> BETTER alternatives.
>
> Jian
>
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Re: google mini? who needs it when Lucene is there
Posted by "Xiaohong Yang (Sharon)" <sh...@yahoo.com>.
Hi,
I agree that Google mini is quite expensive. It might be similar to the desktop version in quality. Anyone knows google's ratio of index to text? Is it true that Lucene's index is about 500 times the original text size (not including image size)? I don't have one installed, so I cannot measure.
Best,
Sharon
jian chen <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I was searching using google and just found that there was a new
feature called "google mini". Initially I thought it was another free
service for small companies. Then I realized that it costs quite some
money ($4,995) for the hardware and software. (I guess the proprietary
software costs a whole lot more than actual hardware.)
The "nice" feature is that, you can only index up to 50,000 documents
with this price. If you need to index more, sorry, send in the
check...
It seems to me that any small biz will be ripped off if they install
this google mini thing, compared to using Lucene to implement a easy
to use search software, which could search up to whatever number of
documents you could image.
I hope the lucene project could get exposed more to the enterprise so
that people know that they have not only cheaper but more importantly,
BETTER alternatives.
Jian
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