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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by "Nygard, Carl J" <ca...@cengage.com> on 2019/09/03 19:16:59 UTC
Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaObjects for Apache Incubator
Justin,
I'm running into a bit of chicken/egg problem in terms of process for donating source code.
To frame the problem: Part of the code is already released as open-source, which is available in the github repository. Part of the code is yet to be released since it was developed internally by Cengage. Cengage wishes to donate the code to Apache, but is unable to do so until the project is accepted as an Incubator project. The Apache community members looking to approve the project understandably would like to better understand what they are approving and so would like to get access to the code which is to be donated.
I'm sure you've seen similar issues in the past and I'm looking for some advice/options to be able to move forward.
--carl
From: Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 4:35 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaObjects for Apache Incubator
Hi,
> Currently most development is happening within Cengage. The core library hasn't changed much, aside from some bug fixes. Most of the recent innovation has occurred in other libraries built upon the draagon-metaobjects foundations. That code is part of
what is proposed to be donated to the apache-metaobjects project.
Thanks for that, I still a little unclear what code base is being donated. I’m just asking as that may make the IP transfers process easier or harder, you might have to get ICLA from people who have worked on it in the past for instance.
> Regarding the mentor list, I saw the Apache committer list included Heath, but misunderstood that being a committer did not imply ASF membership, which was my mistake. However, Johan Edstrom and James Carman are members of the IPMC, and Jamie mentioned to
me that he has requested IPMC membership as well. In addition, James has mentored a few projects in the past. We would welcome another mentor if anyone is interested in helping build a community around the project.
I think it would be best for a project if you had an mentor with some more experience. It can be difficult if you mentors go missing or if they may not be familiar with recent changes in infrastructure or the incubator.
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaObjects for Apache Incubator
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
HI
> On Sep 5, 2019, at 11:25 AM, Nygard, Carl J <ca...@cengage.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>>> Cengage wishes to donate the code to Apache, but is unable to do so until the project is accepted as an Incubator project.
>
>> Could you expand a little on why is that?
>
> Perhaps it is an issue of understanding the path to Incubator and trying to deal with the corporate policies regarding open-source donation. Donation to Apache seems to be the clearest path with the least number of obstacles.
Agreed. The concern is that should the SGA not happen due to internal issues at the donating company that podling will have trouble succeeding. We’ve seen that with a podling that took over 6 months to get an SGA and essentially lost all its mentors.
>
>>> The Apache community members looking to approve the project understandably would like to better understand what they are approving and so would like to get access to the code which is to be donated.
>
>> I don’t see this a being a big issue, the other code can be donated later, but may complicate things in terms of SGAs, ICLAs and IP provenance.
The issue is seeing the code to check to see if there are dependencies that don’t fit with Apache Release Policy. Of course this is also a part of Incubation.
>
> Can you expand on this? Is there a different process for donating a large body of work to an existing Incubator project?
No - such a donation would be an additional SGA and/or CLA.
I have not looked deeply at your proposal, but I think the concern would be who your mentors are and whether or not the IPMC thinks that these issues will be handled properly.
(But I’m just another member of the IPMC and not Justin)
Regards,
Dave
>
> --carl
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaObjects for Apache Incubator
Posted by ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <09...@gmail.com>.
ในวันที่ ศ. 6 ก.ย. 2019 01:25 Nygard, Carl J <ca...@cengage.com>
เขียนว่า:
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> > > Cengage wishes to donate the code to Apache, but is unable to do so
> until the project is accepted as an Incubator project.
>
> > Could you expand a little on why is that?
>
> Perhaps it is an issue of understanding the path to Incubator and trying
> to deal with the corporate policies regarding open-source donation.
> Donation to Apache seems to be the clearest path with the least number of
> obstacles.
>
> > > The Apache community members looking to approve the project
> understandably would like to better understand what they are approving and
> so would like to get access to the code which is to be donated.
>
> > I don’t see this a being a big issue, the other code can be donated
> later, but may complicate things in terms of SGAs, ICLAs and IP provenance.
>
> Can you expand on this? Is there a different process for donating a large
> body of work to an existing Incubator project?
>
> --carl
>
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaObjects for Apache Incubator
Posted by "Nygard, Carl J" <ca...@cengage.com>.
Hi,
> > Cengage wishes to donate the code to Apache, but is unable to do so until the project is accepted as an Incubator project.
> Could you expand a little on why is that?
Perhaps it is an issue of understanding the path to Incubator and trying to deal with the corporate policies regarding open-source donation. Donation to Apache seems to be the clearest path with the least number of obstacles.
> > The Apache community members looking to approve the project understandably would like to better understand what they are approving and so would like to get access to the code which is to be donated.
> I don’t see this a being a big issue, the other code can be donated later, but may complicate things in terms of SGAs, ICLAs and IP provenance.
Can you expand on this? Is there a different process for donating a large body of work to an existing Incubator project?
--carl
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Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaObjects for Apache Incubator
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> Cengage wishes to donate the code to Apache, but is unable to do so until the project is accepted as an Incubator project.
Could you expand a little on why is that?
> The Apache community members looking to approve the project understandably would like to better understand what they are approving and so would like to get access to the code which is to be donated.
I don’t see this a being a big issue, the other code can be donated later, but may complicate things in terms of SGAs, ICLAs and IP provenance.
Thanks,
Justin
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