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Where to place jspf beta release ?
Hi guys,
i want to move the jspf beta release to the final place, but I can't
remember where to put it ( shame on me). If I remember correct the
people.apache.org is not valid anymore for such purposes..
Anyone can tell me where I can drop the tarballs ?
bye
Norman
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Re: Where to place jspf beta release ?
Posted by Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>.
Norman Maurer ha scritto:
> Hi guys,
>
> i want to move the jspf beta release to the final place, but I can't
> remember where to put it ( shame on me). If I remember correct the
> people.apache.org is not valid anymore for such purposes..
> Anyone can tell me where I can drop the tarballs ?
>
> bye
> Norman
The updated release guidelines published here:
http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html
Seems to suggest that anything we voted to publish is an official
release and belongs to http://www.apache.org/dist
We have to take care to mark it as BETA stage, but it has been
officially supported and VOTEd.
Otherwise we can do developer builds that do not need to be voted and we
can publish them on people (http://people.apache.org/builds/) but we can
only publicize it on server-dev and not on the website or elsewhere.
Quotes from the guidelines:
"If the general public is being instructed to download a package, then
that package has been released"
"Releases are packages that have been approved for general public
release, with varying degrees of caveat regarding their perceived
quality or potential for change. Releases that are intended for everyday
usage by non-developers are usually referred to as "stable" or "general
availability (GA)" releases. Releases that are believed to be usable by
testers and developers outside the project, but perhaps not yet stable
in terms of features or functionality, are usually referred to as "beta"
or "unstable". Releases that only represent a project milestone and are
intended only for bleeding-edge developers working outside the project
are called "alpha"."
So jspf-b4 is an official release (we had a vote) and we refer to it as
beta or unstable.
I think you should use http://www.apache.org/dist/james/jspf/unstable/
or http://www.apache.org/dist/james/jspf/beta/
Stefano
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Re: Where to place jspf beta release ?
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On 2/9/07, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
> robert burrell donkin ha scritto:
> > On 2/9/07, Danny Angus <da...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> +1 to http://www.apache.org/dist/james/jspf/beta/
> >>
> >> not "unstable"
> >
> > FWIW i've had bad experiences after dubbing releases (of this kind)
> > 'beta'. i now strongly recommend using the 0.x convention (since it
> > more accurately conveys the intent).
> >
> > - robert
>
> I have no preferences: should we name the next release 0.9.5, using the
> last number instead of the beta number?
>
> Robert: is your note related also to the folder used to publish the
> artifact or only to the name/number of the released artifact?
just naming and numbering
- robert
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Re: Where to place jspf beta release ?
Posted by Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>.
robert burrell donkin ha scritto:
> On 2/9/07, Danny Angus <da...@apache.org> wrote:
>> +1 to http://www.apache.org/dist/james/jspf/beta/
>>
>> not "unstable"
>
> FWIW i've had bad experiences after dubbing releases (of this kind)
> 'beta'. i now strongly recommend using the 0.x convention (since it
> more accurately conveys the intent).
>
> - robert
I have no preferences: should we name the next release 0.9.5, using the
last number instead of the beta number?
Robert: is your note related also to the folder used to publish the
artifact or only to the name/number of the released artifact?
Stefano
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Re: Where to place jspf beta release ?
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On 2/9/07, Danny Angus <da...@apache.org> wrote:
> +1 to http://www.apache.org/dist/james/jspf/beta/
>
> not "unstable"
FWIW i've had bad experiences after dubbing releases (of this kind)
'beta'. i now strongly recommend using the 0.x convention (since it
more accurately conveys the intent).
- robert
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Re: Where to place jspf beta release ?
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On 2/9/07, Norman Maurer <nm...@byteaction.de> wrote:
> robert burrell donkin schrieb:
> > On 2/9/07, Danny Angus <da...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> +1 to http://www.apache.org/dist/james/jspf/beta/
> >>
> >> not "unstable"
> >
> > FWIW i've had bad experiences after dubbing releases (of this kind)
> > 'beta'. i now strongly recommend using the 0.x convention (since it
> > more accurately conveys the intent).
> >
> > - robert
> >
>
> We had some "discussion" about that in the past. Noel told us that we
> should use the beta label if remember right. He argue that there are a
> lot of "stable" projects out there which never reach the 1.x version number.
the problem is that beta is a term that's used with widely varying
meanings and so releasing a beta targeted at users (rather than
developers) tends to produce confusion about which version users are
supposed to download. on occasion, i've been asked questions about
beta that i thought were dead years ago. betas often given dependency
management software difficulties as well.
i now use beta's only for developer releases now
> Btw, im happy with the label or without it.
the beta designation was the one voted for and you should keep that label
- robert
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Re: Where to place jspf beta release ?
Posted by Norman Maurer <nm...@byteaction.de>.
robert burrell donkin schrieb:
> On 2/9/07, Norman Maurer <nm...@byteaction.de> wrote:
>> robert burrell donkin schrieb:
>> > On 2/9/07, Danny Angus <da...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> +1 to http://www.apache.org/dist/james/jspf/beta/
>> >>
>> >> not "unstable"
>> >
>> > FWIW i've had bad experiences after dubbing releases (of this kind)
>> > 'beta'. i now strongly recommend using the 0.x convention (since it
>> > more accurately conveys the intent).
>> >
>> > - robert
>> >
>>
>> We had some "discussion" about that in the past. Noel told us that we
>> should use the beta label if remember right. He argue that there are a
>> lot of "stable" projects out there which never reach the 1.x version
>> number.
>
> the problem is that beta is a term that's used with widely varying
> meanings and so releasing a beta targeted at users (rather than
> developers) tends to produce confusion about which version users are
> supposed to download. on occasion, i've been asked questions about
> beta that i thought were dead years ago. betas often given dependency
> management software difficulties as well.
>
> i now use beta's only for developer releases now
>
>> Btw, im happy with the label or without it.
>
> the beta designation was the one voted for and you should keep that label
>
> - robert
Ok thx for the clearify ;-)
I did all the necessary changes and update the website. Now we have to
wait for the mirrors
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i.A. Norman Maurer
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Re: Where to place jspf beta release ?
Posted by Norman Maurer <nm...@byteaction.de>.
robert burrell donkin schrieb:
> On 2/9/07, Danny Angus <da...@apache.org> wrote:
>> +1 to http://www.apache.org/dist/james/jspf/beta/
>>
>> not "unstable"
>
> FWIW i've had bad experiences after dubbing releases (of this kind)
> 'beta'. i now strongly recommend using the 0.x convention (since it
> more accurately conveys the intent).
>
> - robert
>
We had some "discussion" about that in the past. Noel told us that we
should use the beta label if remember right. He argue that there are a
lot of "stable" projects out there which never reach the 1.x version number.
Btw, im happy with the label or without it.
bye
Norman
--
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i.A. Norman Maurer
Systemadministrator
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Re: Where to place jspf beta release ?
Posted by Danny Angus <da...@apache.org>.
+1 to http://www.apache.org/dist/james/jspf/beta/
not "unstable"
d.
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Re: Where to place jspf beta release ?
Posted by Norman Maurer <nm...@byteaction.de>.
Stefano Bagnara schrieb:
> Norman Maurer ha scritto:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> i want to move the jspf beta release to the final place, but I can't
>> remember where to put it ( shame on me). If I remember correct the
>> people.apache.org is not valid anymore for such purposes..
>> Anyone can tell me where I can drop the tarballs ?
>>
>> bye
>> Norman
>
> The updated release guidelines published here:
> http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html
>
> Seems to suggest that anything we voted to publish is an official
> release and belongs to http://www.apache.org/dist
> We have to take care to mark it as BETA stage, but it has been
> officially supported and VOTEd.
>
> Otherwise we can do developer builds that do not need to be voted and
> we can publish them on people (http://people.apache.org/builds/) but
> we can only publicize it on server-dev and not on the website or
> elsewhere.
>
> Quotes from the guidelines:
>
> "If the general public is being instructed to download a package, then
> that package has been released"
>
> "Releases are packages that have been approved for general public
> release, with varying degrees of caveat regarding their perceived
> quality or potential for change. Releases that are intended for
> everyday usage by non-developers are usually referred to as "stable"
> or "general availability (GA)" releases. Releases that are believed to
> be usable by testers and developers outside the project, but perhaps
> not yet stable in terms of features or functionality, are usually
> referred to as "beta" or "unstable". Releases that only represent a
> project milestone and are intended only for bleeding-edge developers
> working outside the project are called "alpha"."
>
> So jspf-b4 is an official release (we had a vote) and we refer to it
> as beta or unstable.
>
> I think you should use http://www.apache.org/dist/james/jspf/unstable/
> or http://www.apache.org/dist/james/jspf/beta/
>
> Stefano
>
Ok, anyone see problems with this ? I will move it to this folder ff
noone will raise his voice ..
bye
Norman
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