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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Donald Harbison <dp...@gmail.com> on 2011/12/01 16:56:34 UTC
Trademark Clearance: Apache OpenOffice
The PPMC has approved the trademark and brand for the project and product
as 'Apache OpenOffice'[1].
We request confirmation that the ASF has registered the trademark in the
US.
What is the ASF guidelines for using 'Apache OpenOffice' worldwide?
[1]http://s.apache.org/O3P
Re: Trademark Clearance: Apache OpenOffice
Posted by Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com>.
On 1 December 2011 21:39, Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
> On 2011-12-01 10:56 AM, Donald Harbison wrote:
>
>> The PPMC has approved the trademark and brand for the project and
>> product as 'Apache OpenOffice'[1].
>>
>> We request confirmation that the ASF has registered the trademark in the
>> US.
>>
>
> Trademark for what, specifically? You don't have an available software
> product yet. ;-)
>
> Trademarks - at least in the US - only have being as an identifier tying a
> specific product to a specific organization that produces that product, so
> as to prevent consumer confusion over the source of the actual goods
> (typically for us, the actual software product downloads).
>
Is there not a danger then of some other organisations saying we have a
company called Apache Tribesmen and we have an Open Office in London so we
are trademarking Apache OpenOffice?
> Normally we would not process trademark registrations - which take
> resources and funding - for podlings. But this may be a special case, so
> once the AOO PPMC has a publicly downloadable release of a useable software
> product called "Apache OpenOffice", we can discuss if we are willing to
> start the registration process for the podling, or if we wait (as we
> usually would) for you to graduate to TLP.
>
> In any case, you should certainly treat Apache OpenOffice as our trademark
> for our website and the product we plan to offer, and use a TM by it as
> noted in the branding policy.
>
>
>
>> What is the ASF guidelines for using 'Apache OpenOffice' worldwide?
>>
>
> Currently, the same as all the rest of our TLP projects (i.e., when AOO
> wants to graduate): make sure your website and product comply with the
> branding policy:
>
> http://www.apache.org/**foundation/marks/pmcs<http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs>
>
> Given that our only real presence is on the web, we don't have specific
> policies for different jurisdictions at this time.
>
> - Shane
>
>
>> [1]http://s.apache.org/O3P
>>
>
>
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Re: Trademark Clearance: Apache OpenOffice
Posted by Donald Harbison <dp...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
> On 2011-12-01 10:56 AM, Donald Harbison wrote:
>
>> The PPMC has approved the trademark and brand for the project and
>> product as 'Apache OpenOffice'[1].
>>
>> We request confirmation that the ASF has registered the trademark in the
>> US.
>>
>
> Trademark for what, specifically? You don't have an available software
> product yet. ;-)
>
> We are aiming for an Apache OpenOffice 3.4 release in early 2012. We'll
plan on using the mark in this product during its preparation.
> Trademarks - at least in the US - only have being as an identifier tying a
> specific product to a specific organization that produces that product, so
> as to prevent consumer confusion over the source of the actual goods
> (typically for us, the actual software product downloads).
>
> Normally we would not process trademark registrations - which take
> resources and funding - for podlings. But this may be a special case, so
> once the AOO PPMC has a publicly downloadable release of a useable software
> product called "Apache OpenOffice", we can discuss if we are willing to
> start the registration process for the podling, or if we wait (as we
> usually would) for you to graduate to TLP.
>
This looks to be a special case given how the equity of 'OpenOffice' as
developed by use of the former trademark, 'OpenOffice.org' remains quite
high. We now have the challenge to transfer this equity and merge it with
the value of the Apache brand. With the stakes high here, it seems in order
to justify processing the trademark registrations, despite our podling
status. (IMHO).
> In any case, you should certainly treat Apache OpenOffice as our trademark
> for our website and the product we plan to offer, and use a TM by it as
> noted in the branding policy.
>
>
>
>> What is the ASF guidelines for using 'Apache OpenOffice' worldwide?
>>
>
> Currently, the same as all the rest of our TLP projects (i.e., when AOO
> wants to graduate): make sure your website and product comply with the
> branding policy:
>
> Thanks, good advice, we will.
> http://www.apache.org/**foundation/marks/pmcs<http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs>
>
> Given that our only real presence is on the web, we don't have specific
> policies for different jurisdictions at this time.
>
> - Shane
>
>
>> [1]http://s.apache.org/O3P
>>
>
>
Re: Trademark Clearance: Apache OpenOffice
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
On 2011-12-01 10:56 AM, Donald Harbison wrote:
> The PPMC has approved the trademark and brand for the project and
> product as 'Apache OpenOffice'[1].
>
> We request confirmation that the ASF has registered the trademark in the
> US.
Trademark for what, specifically? You don't have an available software
product yet. ;-)
Trademarks - at least in the US - only have being as an identifier tying
a specific product to a specific organization that produces that
product, so as to prevent consumer confusion over the source of the
actual goods (typically for us, the actual software product downloads).
Normally we would not process trademark registrations - which take
resources and funding - for podlings. But this may be a special case,
so once the AOO PPMC has a publicly downloadable release of a useable
software product called "Apache OpenOffice", we can discuss if we are
willing to start the registration process for the podling, or if we wait
(as we usually would) for you to graduate to TLP.
In any case, you should certainly treat Apache OpenOffice as our
trademark for our website and the product we plan to offer, and use a TM
by it as noted in the branding policy.
>
> What is the ASF guidelines for using 'Apache OpenOffice' worldwide?
Currently, the same as all the rest of our TLP projects (i.e., when AOO
wants to graduate): make sure your website and product comply with the
branding policy:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
Given that our only real presence is on the web, we don't have specific
policies for different jurisdictions at this time.
- Shane
>
> [1]http://s.apache.org/O3P