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section problem
Greetings,
I am using OO.o 3.3.0 [OOO330m20 (Build:9567)] under Linux. I have an
85 page (so far) Writer document I am writing that includes a 4-page
table which I am trying to place into 2 columns in an area of the
document. I only want the table in a 2-column format, not the text
before and after the table. I inserted a 2-column "section" before the
table, selected the table, cut and pasted it into the new section and
that's when strange things happened. The table starts out fine for the
first 1.5 pages then, instead of continuing into the 2nd column on that
page, there are 4 "blank" but unselectable phantom pages inserted before
the remaining part of the table continues in column 1 again. These
"blank" pages cannot be typed into nor do they have the section's column
separator lines down the center. And yes, they do print as blank
pages. Putting the cursor at the end of the last cell of the table's
first part, using the cursor keys to step to the next cell, jumps over
the "blank" pages to the beginning of the first cell of the 2nd part of
the table. This "feature" effectively turned my 4-page table into a
7-page table! That is *not* the direction I wanted to go in to save paper!
I tried this same procedure in a new document by copy-pasting the
1-column table into the new document and following the same procedure to
create the 2-column table section. Same result. So it isn't something
else in the large, almost 10MB document. This is either a bug or
something I am doing wrong. I followed the procedure in the OpenOffice
Writer Guide, Chapter 4 - Formatting Pages; Using Sections for Page Layout.
Does anybody know what is going on here?
Is this a bug?
Is it a known bug?
Is there a work-around for this?
Thanks in advance.
Girvin Herr
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RE: [Solution] section problem
Posted by Maurice Howe <ma...@stny.rr.com>.
Thank you, Girvin, Thank You. I have 2 somewhat complicated multi-column
documents with many lists & tables. I was ready to write a post about a
very similar experience but I'll try your solution first. I think you're
really on to something here! Thanks again.
Maurice D. Howe
General MacArthur Honor Guard Assn
616 Lacey Drive
Endwell, NY 13760
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From: Girvin R. Herr [mailto:girvin.herr@sbcglobal.net]
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Subject: Re: [Solution] section problem
Back in March, I posted the following problem and received many responses,
which I thank all the responders for, but nothing seemed to work for me.
Now, I am posting this solution I discovered in case someone else in the
group could use it. The solution seems to be that when I inserted my table
into the new 2-column section, OO re-sized the table to fit the column
width. That is fine, but It appears that sections do not like this maximum
size. When I adjusted the table right margin to a bit less than the section
column width, the appearance changed to what I expected and there were no
blank pages inserted.
Hope this may help someone.
Girvin Herr
Greetings,
I am using OO.o 3.3.0 [OOO330m20 (Build:9567)] under Linux. Â I have an
85
page (so far) Writer document I am writing that includes a 4-page table
which I am trying to place into 2 columns in an area of the document. Â
I
only want the table in a 2-column format, not the text before and after
the
table. Â I inserted a 2-column "section" before the table, selected the
table, cut and pasted it into the new section and that's when strange
things
happened. Â The table starts out fine for the first 1.5 pages then,
instead
of continuing into the 2nd column on that page, there are 4 "blank" but
unselectable phantom pages inserted before the remaining part of the
table
continues in column 1 again. Â These "blank" pages cannot be typed into
nor
do they have the section's column separator lines down the center. Â And
yes,
they do print as blank pages. Â Putting the cursor at the end of the
last
cell of the table's first part, using the cursor keys to step to the
next
cell, jumps over the "blank" pages to the beginning of the first cell of
the
2nd part of the table. Â This "feature" effectively turned my 4-page
table
into a 7-page table! Â That is *not* the direction I wanted to go in to
save
paper!
I tried this same procedure in a new document by copy-pasting the
1-column
table into the new document and following the same procedure to create
the
2-column table section. Â Same result. Â So it isn't something else in
the
large, almost 10MB document. Â This is either a bug or something I am
doing
wrong. Â I followed the procedure in the OpenOffice Writer Guide,
Chapter 4 -
Formatting Pages; Using Sections for Page Layout.
Does anybody know what is going on here? Is this a bug? Is it a known
bug?
Is there a work-around for this?
Thanks in advance.
Girvin Herr
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Re: [Solution] section problem
Posted by "Girvin R. Herr" <gi...@sbcglobal.net>.
Back in March, I posted the following problem and received many
responses, which I thank all the responders for, but nothing seemed to
work for me. Now, I am posting this solution I discovered in case
someone else in the group could use it. The solution seems to be that
when I inserted my table into the new 2-column section, OO re-sized the
table to fit the column width. That is fine, but It appears that
sections do not like this maximum size. When I adjusted the table right
margin to a bit less than the section column width, the appearance
changed to what I expected and there were no blank pages inserted.
Hope this may help someone.
Girvin Herr
Greetings,
I am using OO.o 3.3.0 [OOO330m20 (Build:9567)] under Linux. Â I have an 85
page (so far) Writer document I am writing that includes a 4-page table
which I am trying to place into 2 columns in an area of the document. Â I
only want the table in a 2-column format, not the text before and after the
table. Â I inserted a 2-column "section" before the table, selected the
table, cut and pasted it into the new section and that's when strange things
happened. Â The table starts out fine for the first 1.5 pages then, instead
of continuing into the 2nd column on that page, there are 4 "blank" but
unselectable phantom pages inserted before the remaining part of the table
continues in column 1 again. Â These "blank" pages cannot be typed into nor
do they have the section's column separator lines down the center. Â And yes,
they do print as blank pages. Â Putting the cursor at the end of the last
cell of the table's first part, using the cursor keys to step to the next
cell, jumps over the "blank" pages to the beginning of the first cell of the
2nd part of the table. Â This "feature" effectively turned my 4-page table
into a 7-page table! Â That is *not* the direction I wanted to go in to save
paper!
I tried this same procedure in a new document by copy-pasting the 1-column
table into the new document and following the same procedure to create the
2-column table section. Â Same result. Â So it isn't something else in the
large, almost 10MB document. Â This is either a bug or something I am doing
wrong. Â I followed the procedure in the OpenOffice Writer Guide, Chapter 4 -
Formatting Pages; Using Sections for Page Layout.
Does anybody know what is going on here? Is this a bug? Is it a known bug?
Is there a work-around for this?
Thanks in advance.
Girvin Herr
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Re: section problem
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
You can register the forum and add your topic, attach the file (use something like mediafire.com if bigger than 128kB), perhaps someone will have an idea.
You can also add your votes to the bug report (up to 2 votes per issue).
Hagar
> Hagar,
> Yes, this does look very similar. Too bad Apache only rates this bug as "P3 trivial". After reading your link, it sounds to me like the problem is more pervasive and annoying than "trivial".
> I agree with you that this is a weird problem. Although it appears repeatable in a particular context, the affects may be different, depending on the context. In my case it was with tables in sections, some were tables in included sub-documents, and some were plain linear tables in the main document. Actually, I haven't mentioned it in this posting before, but I have seen this blank page problem in another document of mine which has a table. Virtually the entire document, a form, is a table with text before and after the table. The table takes up the entire page and wraps from page 1 to page 2. Normally, this document is 2 pages long, but now and then, for no apparent reason, it registers as 3 pages and prints as 3 pages, wasting paper. The third page, like this table-in-section problem, is unusable. By that, I mean I cannot put the cursor on it and start typing, nor can I delete it. I am sure there are other contexts where this problem occurs.
>
> Thanks for your help.
> Girvin
>
>
> Hagar Delest wrote:
>> It seems rather similar to that problem: http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=47761 there is also another link to a bug report at the end.
>>
>> Hagar
>>
>>
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Re: section problem
Posted by "Girvin R. Herr" <gi...@sbcglobal.net>.
Hagar,
Yes, this does look very similar. Too bad Apache only rates this bug as
"P3 trivial". After reading your link, it sounds to me like the problem
is more pervasive and annoying than "trivial".
I agree with you that this is a weird problem. Although it appears
repeatable in a particular context, the affects may be different,
depending on the context. In my case it was with tables in sections,
some were tables in included sub-documents, and some were plain linear
tables in the main document. Actually, I haven't mentioned it in this
posting before, but I have seen this blank page problem in another
document of mine which has a table. Virtually the entire document, a
form, is a table with text before and after the table. The table takes
up the entire page and wraps from page 1 to page 2. Normally, this
document is 2 pages long, but now and then, for no apparent reason, it
registers as 3 pages and prints as 3 pages, wasting paper. The third
page, like this table-in-section problem, is unusable. By that, I mean
I cannot put the cursor on it and start typing, nor can I delete it. I
am sure there are other contexts where this problem occurs.
Thanks for your help.
Girvin
Hagar Delest wrote:
> It seems rather similar to that problem:
> http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=47761
> there is also another link to a bug report at the end.
>
> Hagar
>
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Re: section problem
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
It seems rather similar to that problem: http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=47761 there is also another link to a bug report at the end.
Hagar
> Fred,
> Thanks for your response. Your grammar is fine. I understand you perfectly.
>
> Creating a 2-column page style would be good, but I want part of my page as single column. I only want the table to be in a 2-column section so it flows without editing the data in the table. So, that rules out a 2-column page style.
>
> The section creation works fine, but when I paste a table into that section, that is when things go wrong. I think I read somewhere that OO uses the term "section" when referring to including other document parts into the main document. That is probably useful when using a "Master Document". I am not doing that. My document is linear. That "section" term may be what you are referring to when you say using sections is difficult. The page "section" I am referring to is not all that difficult. It is as simple as Insert -> Section from the top menu. One time I created a section and couldn't figure out how to delete it. Since reading the Guide, I now know that a section can be "Removed" by Format -> Sections and selecting the section name and "Remove". So adding a section isn't all that difficult.
>
> Upon request, I sent my troublesome table to another user who is using OO 3.1.1 and he reports that he did not experience the problem I was with OO 3.3.0. Therefore, this problem must be a bug in 3.3.0.
>
> Since posting this problem, I discovered that if I save the bad 2-column section document and open it up later, the bad formatting clears up and the table looks fine. Unfortunately, now it takes 6 minutes to save the 10 MB document!
> Thanks again for your help.
> Girvin
>
>
> Fred Juan DIAZ wrote:
>> Hi Girvin
>>
>> I always try to avoid using sections in OO because they aren't easy to use,
>> and because OO prefers a "style logic", especially if you need to do
>> something on a whole page.
>> ... so I won't bring you an answer using sections.
>>
>> Proposition : create your own page style with 2 columns
>> for example, call it twocol or whatever you want
>> then insert manually page jump with your twocol page style.
>>
>> This solution is easier to manage because the sections in OO don't
>> work like sections in W$$d
>> and because when you need a page style, you just have to insert the
>> corresponding jump.
>>
>> other advantage : using styles in a doc make it lighter in bytes and
>> faster to work with.
>>
>> hope this to be useful and excuse me for the grammar mistakes.
>>
>> Fred Juan Diaz
>> ============
>>
>>
>> Le 18 mars 2012 01:51, Girvin R. Herr <gi...@sbcglobal.net> a écrit :
>>> Greetings,
>>> I am using OO.o 3.3.0 [OOO330m20 (Build:9567)] under Linux. I have an 85
>>> page (so far) Writer document I am writing that includes a 4-page table
>>> which I am trying to place into 2 columns in an area of the document. I
>>> only want the table in a 2-column format, not the text before and after the
>>> table. I inserted a 2-column "section" before the table, selected the
>>> table, cut and pasted it into the new section and that's when strange things
>>> happened. The table starts out fine for the first 1.5 pages then, instead
>>> of continuing into the 2nd column on that page, there are 4 "blank" but
>>> unselectable phantom pages inserted before the remaining part of the table
>>> continues in column 1 again. These "blank" pages cannot be typed into nor
>>> do they have the section's column separator lines down the center. And yes,
>>> they do print as blank pages. Putting the cursor at the end of the last
>>> cell of the table's first part, using the cursor keys to step to the next
>>> cell, jumps over the "blank" pages to the beginning of the first cell of the
>>> 2nd part of the table. This "feature" effectively turned my 4-page table
>>> into a 7-page table! That is *not* the direction I wanted to go in to save
>>> paper!
>>>
>>> I tried this same procedure in a new document by copy-pasting the 1-column
>>> table into the new document and following the same procedure to create the
>>> 2-column table section. Same result. So it isn't something else in the
>>> large, almost 10MB document. This is either a bug or something I am doing
>>> wrong. I followed the procedure in the OpenOffice Writer Guide, Chapter 4 -
>>> Formatting Pages; Using Sections for Page Layout.
>>>
>>> Does anybody know what is going on here? Is this a bug? Is it a known bug?
>>> Is there a work-around for this?
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> Girvin Herr
>>>
>>>
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Re: section problem
Posted by "Girvin R. Herr" <gi...@sbcglobal.net>.
Fred,
Thanks for your response.
Your grammar is fine. I understand you perfectly.
Creating a 2-column page style would be good, but I want part of my page
as single column. I only want the table to be in a 2-column section so
it flows without editing the data in the table. So, that rules out a
2-column page style.
The section creation works fine, but when I paste a table into that
section, that is when things go wrong. I think I read somewhere that OO
uses the term "section" when referring to including other document parts
into the main document. That is probably useful when using a "Master
Document". I am not doing that. My document is linear. That "section"
term may be what you are referring to when you say using sections is
difficult. The page "section" I am referring to is not all that
difficult. It is as simple as Insert -> Section from the top menu. One
time I created a section and couldn't figure out how to delete it.
Since reading the Guide, I now know that a section can be "Removed" by
Format -> Sections and selecting the section name and "Remove". So
adding a section isn't all that difficult.
Upon request, I sent my troublesome table to another user who is using
OO 3.1.1 and he reports that he did not experience the problem I was
with OO 3.3.0. Therefore, this problem must be a bug in 3.3.0.
Since posting this problem, I discovered that if I save the bad 2-column
section document and open it up later, the bad formatting clears up and
the table looks fine. Unfortunately, now it takes 6 minutes to save the
10 MB document!
Thanks again for your help.
Girvin
Fred Juan DIAZ wrote:
> Hi Girvin
>
> I always try to avoid using sections in OO because they aren't easy to use,
> and because OO prefers a "style logic", especially if you need to do
> something on a whole page.
> ... so I won't bring you an answer using sections.
>
> Proposition : create your own page style with 2 columns
> for example, call it twocol or whatever you want
> then insert manually page jump with your twocol page style.
>
> This solution is easier to manage because the sections in OO don't
> work like sections in W$$d
> and because when you need a page style, you just have to insert the
> corresponding jump.
>
> other advantage : using styles in a doc make it lighter in bytes and
> faster to work with.
>
> hope this to be useful and excuse me for the grammar mistakes.
>
> Fred Juan Diaz
> ============
>
>
> Le 18 mars 2012 01:51, Girvin R. Herr <gi...@sbcglobal.net> a écrit :
>
>> Greetings,
>> I am using OO.o 3.3.0 [OOO330m20 (Build:9567)] under Linux. I have an 85
>> page (so far) Writer document I am writing that includes a 4-page table
>> which I am trying to place into 2 columns in an area of the document. I
>> only want the table in a 2-column format, not the text before and after the
>> table. I inserted a 2-column "section" before the table, selected the
>> table, cut and pasted it into the new section and that's when strange things
>> happened. The table starts out fine for the first 1.5 pages then, instead
>> of continuing into the 2nd column on that page, there are 4 "blank" but
>> unselectable phantom pages inserted before the remaining part of the table
>> continues in column 1 again. These "blank" pages cannot be typed into nor
>> do they have the section's column separator lines down the center. And yes,
>> they do print as blank pages. Putting the cursor at the end of the last
>> cell of the table's first part, using the cursor keys to step to the next
>> cell, jumps over the "blank" pages to the beginning of the first cell of the
>> 2nd part of the table. This "feature" effectively turned my 4-page table
>> into a 7-page table! That is *not* the direction I wanted to go in to save
>> paper!
>>
>> I tried this same procedure in a new document by copy-pasting the 1-column
>> table into the new document and following the same procedure to create the
>> 2-column table section. Same result. So it isn't something else in the
>> large, almost 10MB document. This is either a bug or something I am doing
>> wrong. I followed the procedure in the OpenOffice Writer Guide, Chapter 4 -
>> Formatting Pages; Using Sections for Page Layout.
>>
>> Does anybody know what is going on here? Is this a bug? Is it a known bug?
>> Is there a work-around for this?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Girvin Herr
>>
>>
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Re: section problem
Posted by Fred Juan DIAZ <fr...@gmail.com>.
Hi Girvin
I always try to avoid using sections in OO because they aren't easy to use,
and because OO prefers a "style logic", especially if you need to do
something on a whole page.
... so I won't bring you an answer using sections.
Proposition : create your own page style with 2 columns
for example, call it twocol or whatever you want
then insert manually page jump with your twocol page style.
This solution is easier to manage because the sections in OO don't
work like sections in W$$d
and because when you need a page style, you just have to insert the
corresponding jump.
other advantage : using styles in a doc make it lighter in bytes and
faster to work with.
hope this to be useful and excuse me for the grammar mistakes.
Fred Juan Diaz
============
Le 18 mars 2012 01:51, Girvin R. Herr <gi...@sbcglobal.net> a écrit :
> Greetings,
> I am using OO.o 3.3.0 [OOO330m20 (Build:9567)] under Linux. I have an 85
> page (so far) Writer document I am writing that includes a 4-page table
> which I am trying to place into 2 columns in an area of the document. I
> only want the table in a 2-column format, not the text before and after the
> table. I inserted a 2-column "section" before the table, selected the
> table, cut and pasted it into the new section and that's when strange things
> happened. The table starts out fine for the first 1.5 pages then, instead
> of continuing into the 2nd column on that page, there are 4 "blank" but
> unselectable phantom pages inserted before the remaining part of the table
> continues in column 1 again. These "blank" pages cannot be typed into nor
> do they have the section's column separator lines down the center. And yes,
> they do print as blank pages. Putting the cursor at the end of the last
> cell of the table's first part, using the cursor keys to step to the next
> cell, jumps over the "blank" pages to the beginning of the first cell of the
> 2nd part of the table. This "feature" effectively turned my 4-page table
> into a 7-page table! That is *not* the direction I wanted to go in to save
> paper!
>
> I tried this same procedure in a new document by copy-pasting the 1-column
> table into the new document and following the same procedure to create the
> 2-column table section. Same result. So it isn't something else in the
> large, almost 10MB document. This is either a bug or something I am doing
> wrong. I followed the procedure in the OpenOffice Writer Guide, Chapter 4 -
> Formatting Pages; Using Sections for Page Layout.
>
> Does anybody know what is going on here? Is this a bug? Is it a known bug?
> Is there a work-around for this?
> Thanks in advance.
> Girvin Herr
>
>
>
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