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Posted to dev@community.apache.org by Srinivas Tatikonda <sr...@gmail.com> on 2017/06/27 16:50:52 UTC
Java XML Framework
Hello Team,
I am Software Professional currently working in Integration
domain. I have designed and developed an XML framework using Java language.
This framework deals exclusively with XML data and helps to parse and
create different XML formats.
This may not sound interesting as there are other
utilities/frameworks that do this.Please find below few points that
distinguish from others,
1.This Framework is "Configuration-Driven" compared to "Code-Driven"
approach of parsing and creating XML (like using XSLT, DOM, JAXB etc.)
2.Developers need to focus only on the XML structure and the implementation
will be hidden and highly re-usable between any XML formats.
3.The initial observation shows that it out performs DOM, JAXB, XSLT when
we consider a set of XML to XML.
4.The framework handles scenarios like Source/Target Data level Validations
(like format, value etc..) without writing single line of Code.
5.The framework currently handles features like recursive copy of Source to
Target, copy array of elements, grouping etc..
6.The framework can be extended to handle complex XML scenarios that are
re-usable across Applications.
7.Reduces the overhead of maintenance for any kind of changes in Source or
Target data formats as it doesn't need changes in Code.
8.Third Party dependency is reduced hence is very light weight (requires
JDK and few other dependencies)
9.Can be easily plugged into any Application for processing XML data.
10.Can be extended to other programming languages if required other than
Java.
I am not sure if this is the right plkace to express, but if the above
points are of any significance I would be more than happy to share the POC
how this works with wider group.
Thanks,
Srinivas.
Re: Java XML Framework
Posted by Pradeep Wagh <wa...@gmail.com>.
Hello Srinivas,
Not a problem. Could you make it available to me via option work for you ..
may be email attachment, dropbox etc.
Thank you,
Pradeep
On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Srinivas Tatikonda <sr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello Pradeep,
> Sorry, but the code is not available in Public Repo.
> Currently it is only on my local repo.
>
> Thanks,
> Srinivas.
>
> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Pradeep Wagh <wa...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Srinivas,
> >
> > Is the code available for public fork at one of the repos? Please let me
> > know.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Pradeep
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Srinivas Tatikonda <
> > sritatikonda@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yes that makes sense, this can be packaged as a new trransformation
> > engine
> > > before this can be plugged with any XML processing framework.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Jun 28, 2017, at 23:02, Peter Hunsberger <
> > peter.hunsberger@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Cocoon is designed to use pluggable transformation engines to convert
> > > XML to other formats. So to the extent your code could be packaged as a
> > > Cocoon transformer you might have something of general use to that
> > project.
> > > >
> > > >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:40 AM Srinivas Tatikonda <
> > > sritatikonda@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> Hello Peter,
> > > >> I don't have much understanding of Cocoon. Based on
> > what
> > > I see Cocoon is creating XML Pipelines, I also see that it uses XSLT or
> > > other mechanism for transformation of XML. The framework mentioned
> above
> > > talks about using Java based transformation instead of using
> > XSLT/DOM/JAXB
> > > etc... to deal with XML data formats.
> > > >>
> > > >> What I am checking is if there is currently a framework that
> > transforms
> > > XML format to other formats (involves XML parsing and XML creation)
> > without
> > > using XSLT/DOM/JAXB and handles like the framework mentioned earlier.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >> Srinivas.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Peter Hunsberger <
> > > peter.hunsberger@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> You might want to look at the Cocoon project and see how well it
> > > matches up
> > > >>> with what you have done and whether you can contribute to it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:32 AM Srinivas Tatikonda <
> > > sritatikonda@gmail.com>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > Hello Bertrand,
> > > >>> > Thanks for the note. I was trying to see if there is any
> > > existing
> > > >>> > XML framework that matches like I mentioned earlier.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Thanks,
> > > >>> > Srinivas.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> > > >>> > bdelacretaz@apache.org
> > > >>> > > wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > > Hi,
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Srinivas Tatikonda
> > > >>> > > <sr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> > > >...I would be more than happy to share the POC
> > > >>> > > > how this works with wider group...
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > This list is meant to discuss community topics, as opposed to
> > > software
> > > >>> > > projects.
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > If you want to create a new project you can get in touch with
> > > >>> > > http://incubator.apache.org/ - but note that the Incubator
> > usually
> > > >>> > > asks for projects to build an existing community (even if very
> > > small)
> > > >>> > > before joining the Incubator, to demonstrate initial interest.
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > -Bertrand
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ---------
> > > >>> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > > >>> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> Peter Hunsberger
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Peter Hunsberger
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thank you,
> > Pradeep
> >
>
--
Thank you,
Pradeep
Re: Java XML Framework
Posted by Srinivas Tatikonda <sr...@gmail.com>.
Hello Pradeep,
Sorry, but the code is not available in Public Repo.
Currently it is only on my local repo.
Thanks,
Srinivas.
On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Pradeep Wagh <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Srinivas,
>
> Is the code available for public fork at one of the repos? Please let me
> know.
>
> Best Regards,
> Pradeep
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Srinivas Tatikonda <
> sritatikonda@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes that makes sense, this can be packaged as a new trransformation
> engine
> > before this can be plugged with any XML processing framework.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jun 28, 2017, at 23:02, Peter Hunsberger <
> peter.hunsberger@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Cocoon is designed to use pluggable transformation engines to convert
> > XML to other formats. So to the extent your code could be packaged as a
> > Cocoon transformer you might have something of general use to that
> project.
> > >
> > >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:40 AM Srinivas Tatikonda <
> > sritatikonda@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Hello Peter,
> > >> I don't have much understanding of Cocoon. Based on
> what
> > I see Cocoon is creating XML Pipelines, I also see that it uses XSLT or
> > other mechanism for transformation of XML. The framework mentioned above
> > talks about using Java based transformation instead of using
> XSLT/DOM/JAXB
> > etc... to deal with XML data formats.
> > >>
> > >> What I am checking is if there is currently a framework that
> transforms
> > XML format to other formats (involves XML parsing and XML creation)
> without
> > using XSLT/DOM/JAXB and handles like the framework mentioned earlier.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Srinivas.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Peter Hunsberger <
> > peter.hunsberger@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> You might want to look at the Cocoon project and see how well it
> > matches up
> > >>> with what you have done and whether you can contribute to it.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:32 AM Srinivas Tatikonda <
> > sritatikonda@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> > Hello Bertrand,
> > >>> > Thanks for the note. I was trying to see if there is any
> > existing
> > >>> > XML framework that matches like I mentioned earlier.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Thanks,
> > >>> > Srinivas.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> > >>> > bdelacretaz@apache.org
> > >>> > > wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > > Hi,
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Srinivas Tatikonda
> > >>> > > <sr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> > > >...I would be more than happy to share the POC
> > >>> > > > how this works with wider group...
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > This list is meant to discuss community topics, as opposed to
> > software
> > >>> > > projects.
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > If you want to create a new project you can get in touch with
> > >>> > > http://incubator.apache.org/ - but note that the Incubator
> usually
> > >>> > > asks for projects to build an existing community (even if very
> > small)
> > >>> > > before joining the Incubator, to demonstrate initial interest.
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > -Bertrand
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---------
> > >>> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > >>> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> >
> > >>> --
> > >>> Peter Hunsberger
> > >
> > > --
> > > Peter Hunsberger
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Thank you,
> Pradeep
>
Re: Java XML Framework
Posted by Pradeep Wagh <wa...@gmail.com>.
Hello Srinivas,
Is the code available for public fork at one of the repos? Please let me
know.
Best Regards,
Pradeep
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Srinivas Tatikonda <sr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Yes that makes sense, this can be packaged as a new trransformation engine
> before this can be plugged with any XML processing framework.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 23:02, Peter Hunsberger <pe...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Cocoon is designed to use pluggable transformation engines to convert
> XML to other formats. So to the extent your code could be packaged as a
> Cocoon transformer you might have something of general use to that project.
> >
> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:40 AM Srinivas Tatikonda <
> sritatikonda@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hello Peter,
> >> I don't have much understanding of Cocoon. Based on what
> I see Cocoon is creating XML Pipelines, I also see that it uses XSLT or
> other mechanism for transformation of XML. The framework mentioned above
> talks about using Java based transformation instead of using XSLT/DOM/JAXB
> etc... to deal with XML data formats.
> >>
> >> What I am checking is if there is currently a framework that transforms
> XML format to other formats (involves XML parsing and XML creation) without
> using XSLT/DOM/JAXB and handles like the framework mentioned earlier.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Srinivas.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Peter Hunsberger <
> peter.hunsberger@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> You might want to look at the Cocoon project and see how well it
> matches up
> >>> with what you have done and whether you can contribute to it.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:32 AM Srinivas Tatikonda <
> sritatikonda@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Hello Bertrand,
> >>> > Thanks for the note. I was trying to see if there is any
> existing
> >>> > XML framework that matches like I mentioned earlier.
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks,
> >>> > Srinivas.
> >>> >
> >>> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> >>> > bdelacretaz@apache.org
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > Hi,
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Srinivas Tatikonda
> >>> > > <sr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > > >...I would be more than happy to share the POC
> >>> > > > how this works with wider group...
> >>> > >
> >>> > > This list is meant to discuss community topics, as opposed to
> software
> >>> > > projects.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > If you want to create a new project you can get in touch with
> >>> > > http://incubator.apache.org/ - but note that the Incubator usually
> >>> > > asks for projects to build an existing community (even if very
> small)
> >>> > > before joining the Incubator, to demonstrate initial interest.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > -Bertrand
> >>> > >
> >>> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> >>> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> >>> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>> --
> >>> Peter Hunsberger
> >
> > --
> > Peter Hunsberger
>
--
Thank you,
Pradeep
Re: Java XML Framework
Posted by Srinivas Tatikonda <sr...@gmail.com>.
Yes that makes sense, this can be packaged as a new trransformation engine before this can be plugged with any XML processing framework.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 23:02, Peter Hunsberger <pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Cocoon is designed to use pluggable transformation engines to convert XML to other formats. So to the extent your code could be packaged as a Cocoon transformer you might have something of general use to that project.
>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:40 AM Srinivas Tatikonda <sr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Peter,
>> I don't have much understanding of Cocoon. Based on what I see Cocoon is creating XML Pipelines, I also see that it uses XSLT or other mechanism for transformation of XML. The framework mentioned above talks about using Java based transformation instead of using XSLT/DOM/JAXB etc... to deal with XML data formats.
>>
>> What I am checking is if there is currently a framework that transforms XML format to other formats (involves XML parsing and XML creation) without using XSLT/DOM/JAXB and handles like the framework mentioned earlier.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Srinivas.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Peter Hunsberger <pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> You might want to look at the Cocoon project and see how well it matches up
>>> with what you have done and whether you can contribute to it.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:32 AM Srinivas Tatikonda <sr...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hello Bertrand,
>>> > Thanks for the note. I was trying to see if there is any existing
>>> > XML framework that matches like I mentioned earlier.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Srinivas.
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
>>> > bdelacretaz@apache.org
>>> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Hi,
>>> > >
>>> > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Srinivas Tatikonda
>>> > > <sr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > >...I would be more than happy to share the POC
>>> > > > how this works with wider group...
>>> > >
>>> > > This list is meant to discuss community topics, as opposed to software
>>> > > projects.
>>> > >
>>> > > If you want to create a new project you can get in touch with
>>> > > http://incubator.apache.org/ - but note that the Incubator usually
>>> > > asks for projects to build an existing community (even if very small)
>>> > > before joining the Incubator, to demonstrate initial interest.
>>> > >
>>> > > -Bertrand
>>> > >
>>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
>>> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> --
>>> Peter Hunsberger
>
> --
> Peter Hunsberger
Re: Java XML Framework
Posted by Peter Hunsberger <pe...@gmail.com>.
Cocoon is designed to use pluggable transformation engines to convert XML
to other formats. So to the extent your code could be packaged as a Cocoon
transformer you might have something of general use to that project.
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:40 AM Srinivas Tatikonda <sr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello Peter,
> I don't have much understanding of Cocoon. Based on what I
> see Cocoon is creating XML Pipelines, I also see that it uses XSLT or other
> mechanism for transformation of XML. The framework mentioned above talks
> about using Java based transformation instead of using XSLT/DOM/JAXB etc...
> to deal with XML data formats.
>
> What I am checking is if there is currently a framework that transforms
> XML format to other formats (involves XML parsing and XML creation) without
> using XSLT/DOM/JAXB and handles like the framework mentioned earlier.
>
> Thanks,
> Srinivas.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Peter Hunsberger <
> peter.hunsberger@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You might want to look at the Cocoon project and see how well it matches
>> up
>> with what you have done and whether you can contribute to it.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:32 AM Srinivas Tatikonda <
>> sritatikonda@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello Bertrand,
>> > Thanks for the note. I was trying to see if there is any existing
>> > XML framework that matches like I mentioned earlier.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Srinivas.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
>> > bdelacretaz@apache.org
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Srinivas Tatikonda
>> > > <sr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >...I would be more than happy to share the POC
>> > > > how this works with wider group...
>> > >
>> > > This list is meant to discuss community topics, as opposed to software
>> > > projects.
>> > >
>> > > If you want to create a new project you can get in touch with
>> > > http://incubator.apache.org/ - but note that the Incubator usually
>> > > asks for projects to build an existing community (even if very small)
>> > > before joining the Incubator, to demonstrate initial interest.
>> > >
>> > > -Bertrand
>> > >
>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
>> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> --
>> Peter Hunsberger
>>
>
> --
Peter Hunsberger
Re: Java XML Framework
Posted by Srinivas Tatikonda <sr...@gmail.com>.
Hello Peter,
I don't have much understanding of Cocoon. Based on what I
see Cocoon is creating XML Pipelines, I also see that it uses XSLT or other
mechanism for transformation of XML. The framework mentioned above talks
about using Java based transformation instead of using XSLT/DOM/JAXB etc...
to deal with XML data formats.
What I am checking is if there is currently a framework that transforms XML
format to other formats (involves XML parsing and XML creation) without
using XSLT/DOM/JAXB and handles like the framework mentioned earlier.
Thanks,
Srinivas.
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Peter Hunsberger <
peter.hunsberger@gmail.com> wrote:
> You might want to look at the Cocoon project and see how well it matches up
> with what you have done and whether you can contribute to it.
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:32 AM Srinivas Tatikonda <sritatikonda@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Bertrand,
> > Thanks for the note. I was trying to see if there is any existing
> > XML framework that matches like I mentioned earlier.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Srinivas.
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> > bdelacretaz@apache.org
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Srinivas Tatikonda
> > > <sr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >...I would be more than happy to share the POC
> > > > how this works with wider group...
> > >
> > > This list is meant to discuss community topics, as opposed to software
> > > projects.
> > >
> > > If you want to create a new project you can get in touch with
> > > http://incubator.apache.org/ - but note that the Incubator usually
> > > asks for projects to build an existing community (even if very small)
> > > before joining the Incubator, to demonstrate initial interest.
> > >
> > > -Bertrand
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> --
> Peter Hunsberger
>
Re: Java XML Framework
Posted by Peter Hunsberger <pe...@gmail.com>.
You might want to look at the Cocoon project and see how well it matches up
with what you have done and whether you can contribute to it.
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:32 AM Srinivas Tatikonda <sr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello Bertrand,
> Thanks for the note. I was trying to see if there is any existing
> XML framework that matches like I mentioned earlier.
>
> Thanks,
> Srinivas.
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacretaz@apache.org
> > wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Srinivas Tatikonda
> > <sr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >...I would be more than happy to share the POC
> > > how this works with wider group...
> >
> > This list is meant to discuss community topics, as opposed to software
> > projects.
> >
> > If you want to create a new project you can get in touch with
> > http://incubator.apache.org/ - but note that the Incubator usually
> > asks for projects to build an existing community (even if very small)
> > before joining the Incubator, to demonstrate initial interest.
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> >
> >
>
--
Peter Hunsberger
Re: Java XML Framework
Posted by Srinivas Tatikonda <sr...@gmail.com>.
Hello Bertrand,
Thanks for the note. I was trying to see if there is any existing
XML framework that matches like I mentioned earlier.
Thanks,
Srinivas.
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@apache.org
> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Srinivas Tatikonda
> <sr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >...I would be more than happy to share the POC
> > how this works with wider group...
>
> This list is meant to discuss community topics, as opposed to software
> projects.
>
> If you want to create a new project you can get in touch with
> http://incubator.apache.org/ - but note that the Incubator usually
> asks for projects to build an existing community (even if very small)
> before joining the Incubator, to demonstrate initial interest.
>
> -Bertrand
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
>
>
Re: Java XML Framework
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Srinivas Tatikonda
<sr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>...I would be more than happy to share the POC
> how this works with wider group...
This list is meant to discuss community topics, as opposed to software projects.
If you want to create a new project you can get in touch with
http://incubator.apache.org/ - but note that the Incubator usually
asks for projects to build an existing community (even if very small)
before joining the Incubator, to demonstrate initial interest.
-Bertrand
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