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Posted to dev@cloudstack.apache.org by Haijiao <18...@163.com> on 2019/03/14 06:16:22 UTC
Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
HI, Community
According to the LTS roadmap https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/LTS , current 4.11.x is supposed to reach EOL on Jul.1 this year.
Seems the next candidate of LTS is not available yet ( 4.13 ?) , do we have plan to extend the life of 4.11.x and at least promote another maintenance release with estimated date ?, e.g. 4.11.3 in Q2
Thanks ！
Re: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
Posted by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com>.
That is written from the point of view of a developer.
From someone who has no desire to ever see the code, let alone change
it, EOL has a big impact.
In a normal project, in the period prior to EOL, the developers commit
to fixing bugs and issuing security notices with resolutions.
Cloudstack will have a hard time gaining traction outside the companies
that develop it, if EOL has no meaning.
I worry that the lack of control over the roadmap and the apparent lack
of commitment to EOL means that, as good as Cloudstack may be, it is not
a system for production use unless the user is prepared to take on the
long-term maintenance at a moments notice and live with uncertainty
about future viability.
A bit harsh but the conversation about EOL is disturbing.
Ron
On 3/15/19 11:04 AM, Giles Sirett wrote:
> Yes - I see your point
> I think the thing to bear in mind here is that there is no *formal* EOL for an ACS version or branch - its open source - EOL effectively means that people have lost the interest in maintaining that branch. If people see a demand for more releases on a branch in order to maintain that branch longer- then I'd think it unlikely that anybody here is going to say "no"
>
>
> maybe the wording in the wiki is misleading
>
>
>
> Kind regards
> Giles
>
> giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK
> @shapeblue
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Francois Nadeau <th...@gmail.com>
> Sent: 15 March 2019 12:49
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Cc: Riepl, Gregor (SWISS TXT) <Gr...@swisstxt.ch>
> Subject: Re: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
>
> I can only agree with Haijiao, that 4.11 deserves a longer time span.
> Because many bugs are found naturally between the .0 and .1 of the next LTS release with it's adoption.
>
> For us 4.11 could only be adopted with 4.11.2.0 after several bugs needed
> to get resolved. So if 4.11's support stops in July then it's time span
> was only 6 months from our perspective.
>
> -jfn
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 5:34 AM Wido den Hollander <wi...@widodh.nl> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 3/15/19 10:20 AM, Riepl, Gregor (SWISS TXT) wrote:
>>> Hi Giles,
>>>
>>>> I would *expect* 4.13.0 (LTS) to be released in Q2, which will
>>>> supersede the 4.11 branch as the current LTS branch
>>> Are you confident that this schedule can be kept?
>>> 4.12 is still in RC right now, and I don't think it's a good idea to
>>> rush another major release in just 3 months...
>>>
>> 4.11.3 will be released first with some bugfixes to keep 4.11 a proper
>> release.
>>
>> 4.12 needs to go out now so that we can test and prepare for 4.13. I'm
>> confident we can have a stable and proper 4.13 release as long as we
>> don't keep the window open for too long.
>>
>> The major problem is having the master branch open for a long time,
>> features going in and people not testing it sufficiently.
>>
>> By having a relatively short period between 4.12 and 4.13 we can catch
>> most bugs and stabilize for a proper LTS.
>>
>> Wido
>>
RE: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
Posted by Giles Sirett <gi...@shapeblue.com>.
Yes - I see your point
I think the thing to bear in mind here is that there is no *formal* EOL for an ACS version or branch - its open source - EOL effectively means that people have lost the interest in maintaining that branch. If people see a demand for more releases on a branch in order to maintain that branch longer- then I'd think it unlikely that anybody here is going to say "no"
maybe the wording in the wiki is misleading
Kind regards
Giles
giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
www.shapeblue.com
Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK
@shapeblue
-----Original Message-----
From: Jean-Francois Nadeau <th...@gmail.com>
Sent: 15 March 2019 12:49
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: Riepl, Gregor (SWISS TXT) <Gr...@swisstxt.ch>
Subject: Re: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
I can only agree with Haijiao, that 4.11 deserves a longer time span.
Because many bugs are found naturally between the .0 and .1 of the next LTS release with it's adoption.
For us 4.11 could only be adopted with 4.11.2.0 after several bugs needed
to get resolved. So if 4.11's support stops in July then it's time span
was only 6 months from our perspective.
-jfn
On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 5:34 AM Wido den Hollander <wi...@widodh.nl> wrote:
>
>
> On 3/15/19 10:20 AM, Riepl, Gregor (SWISS TXT) wrote:
> > Hi Giles,
> >
> >> I would *expect* 4.13.0 (LTS) to be released in Q2, which will
> >> supersede the 4.11 branch as the current LTS branch
> >
> > Are you confident that this schedule can be kept?
> > 4.12 is still in RC right now, and I don't think it's a good idea to
> > rush another major release in just 3 months...
> >
> 4.11.3 will be released first with some bugfixes to keep 4.11 a proper
> release.
>
> 4.12 needs to go out now so that we can test and prepare for 4.13. I'm
> confident we can have a stable and proper 4.13 release as long as we
> don't keep the window open for too long.
>
> The major problem is having the master branch open for a long time,
> features going in and people not testing it sufficiently.
>
> By having a relatively short period between 4.12 and 4.13 we can catch
> most bugs and stabilize for a proper LTS.
>
> Wido
>
Re: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
Posted by Jean-Francois Nadeau <th...@gmail.com>.
I can only agree with Haijiao, that 4.11 deserves a longer time span.
Because many bugs are found naturally between the .0 and .1 of the next LTS
release with it's adoption.
For us 4.11 could only be adopted with 4.11.2.0 after several bugs needed
to get resolved. So if 4.11's support stops in July then it's time span
was only 6 months from our perspective.
-jfn
On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 5:34 AM Wido den Hollander <wi...@widodh.nl> wrote:
>
>
> On 3/15/19 10:20 AM, Riepl, Gregor (SWISS TXT) wrote:
> > Hi Giles,
> >
> >> I would *expect* 4.13.0 (LTS) to be released in Q2, which will
> >> supersede the 4.11 branch as the current LTS branch
> >
> > Are you confident that this schedule can be kept?
> > 4.12 is still in RC right now, and I don't think it's a good idea to
> > rush another major release in just 3 months...
> >
> 4.11.3 will be released first with some bugfixes to keep 4.11 a proper
> release.
>
> 4.12 needs to go out now so that we can test and prepare for 4.13. I'm
> confident we can have a stable and proper 4.13 release as long as we
> don't keep the window open for too long.
>
> The major problem is having the master branch open for a long time,
> features going in and people not testing it sufficiently.
>
> By having a relatively short period between 4.12 and 4.13 we can catch
> most bugs and stabilize for a proper LTS.
>
> Wido
>
Re: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
Posted by Wido den Hollander <wi...@widodh.nl>.
On 3/15/19 10:20 AM, Riepl, Gregor (SWISS TXT) wrote:
> Hi Giles,
>
>> I would *expect* 4.13.0 (LTS) to be released in Q2, which will
>> supersede the 4.11 branch as the current LTS branch
>
> Are you confident that this schedule can be kept?
> 4.12 is still in RC right now, and I don't think it's a good idea to
> rush another major release in just 3 months...
>
4.11.3 will be released first with some bugfixes to keep 4.11 a proper
release.
4.12 needs to go out now so that we can test and prepare for 4.13. I'm
confident we can have a stable and proper 4.13 release as long as we
don't keep the window open for too long.
The major problem is having the master branch open for a long time,
features going in and people not testing it sufficiently.
By having a relatively short period between 4.12 and 4.13 we can catch
most bugs and stabilize for a proper LTS.
Wido
Re: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
Posted by "Riepl, Gregor (SWISS TXT)" <Gr...@swisstxt.ch>.
Hi Giles,
> I would *expect* 4.13.0 (LTS) to be released in Q2, which will
> supersede the 4.11 branch as the current LTS branch
Are you confident that this schedule can be kept?
4.12 is still in RC right now, and I don't think it's a good idea to
rush another major release in just 3 months...
Re:RE: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
Posted by Haijiao <18...@163.com>.
Thanks Giles !
As user, would be nice to see if we can have another release of 4.11 (say 4.11.3 ?) to include recently merged critical fixes, e.g. usage service issue in a couple of weeks.
Most of 4.11 users may not upgrade their environment to 4.13 once it's released, which means we will stay on 4.11.x for another 3-6 months at least. Another 4.11 LTS release will give users more confidence and prove the value of LTS.
Just my 2 cents.
在2019年03月14 17时48分, "Giles Sirett"<gi...@shapeblue.com>写道:
Hi Haijiao
I would *expect* 4.13.0 (LTS) to be released in Q2, which will supersede the 4.11 branch as the current LTS branch
Kind regards
Giles
giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
www.shapeblue.com
Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK
@shapeblue
-----Original Message-----
From: Haijiao <18...@163.com>
Sent: 14 March 2019 06:16
To: dev <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>; users <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Subject: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
HI, Community
According to the LTS roadmap https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/LTS , current 4.11.x is supposed to reach EOL on Jul.1 this year.
Seems the next candidate of LTS is not available yet ( 4.13 ?) , do we have plan to extend the life of 4.11.x and at least promote another maintenance release with estimated date ?, e.g. 4.11.3 in Q2
Thanks ！
Re: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
Posted by Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>.
Yes. This seems right to me.
The LTS release was introduced for exactly the purpose of giving
organizations with production deployments a predictable and stable path for
upgrades. There has to be a reasonably sized window for adoption of the new
LTS release before the previous one can be abandoned.
I think what Rene posted is a good guide. If we have other documentation
which specifies specific dates (which may be outdated), we may want to go
through and update to inspire more confidence in the LTS versions and the
expected upgrade path/window.
Cheers,
Will
On Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 11:37 AM Rene Moser <ma...@renemoser.net> wrote:
>
>
> On 3/14/19 10:48 AM, Giles Sirett wrote:
> > Hi Haijiao
> >
> > I would *expect* 4.13.0 (LTS) to be released in Q2, which will
> supersede the 4.11 branch as the current LTS branch
>
> btw...
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/LTS:
>
> "LTS releases starting with the first major release will be supported
> for a minimum of 6 months after next LTS release or a total period of 24
> months, whichever is greater"
>
> --> next LTS Q2 2019 + 6 months = 4.11 LTS ends Q4 2019
>
> Just my 2 cents
>
> René
>
Re: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
Posted by Rene Moser <ma...@renemoser.net>.
On 3/14/19 10:48 AM, Giles Sirett wrote:
> Hi Haijiao
>
> I would *expect* 4.13.0 (LTS) to be released in Q2, which will supersede the 4.11 branch as the current LTS branch
btw...
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/LTS:
"LTS releases starting with the first major release will be supported
for a minimum of 6 months after next LTS release or a total period of 24
months, whichever is greater"
--> next LTS Q2 2019 + 6 months = 4.11 LTS ends Q4 2019
Just my 2 cents
René
RE: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
Posted by Giles Sirett <gi...@shapeblue.com>.
Hi Haijiao
I would *expect* 4.13.0 (LTS) to be released in Q2, which will supersede the 4.11 branch as the current LTS branch
Kind regards
Giles
giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
www.shapeblue.com
Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK
@shapeblue
-----Original Message-----
From: Haijiao <18...@163.com>
Sent: 14 March 2019 06:16
To: dev <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>; users <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Subject: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
HI, Community
According to the LTS roadmap https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/LTS , current 4.11.x is supposed to reach EOL on Jul.1 this year.
Seems the next candidate of LTS is not available yet ( 4.13 ?) , do we have plan to extend the life of 4.11.x and at least promote another maintenance release with estimated date ?, e.g. 4.11.3 in Q2
Thanks ！