Switching wikis?

[Bryan Pendleton <bp...@gmail.com>]

Hi all,

We have an unbelievably fabulous collection of knowledge in the
Derby wiki at http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby

However, when I was working with the wiki during the 10.13
release process, I found it rather frustrating, because the wiki
is very slow to respond and even slower to edit.

Sometimes I would have to wait several minutes for the wiki
to respond to a page edit or page save request, and I would
routinely have to wait 30 seconds or more to navigate between pages.

I contacted infra@, and they responded with this:

 > Unfortunately, the Moinmoin backend for wiki.apache.org doesn\u2019t
 > scale well, and performance issues are a common problem. We
 > suggest moving over to our Confluence-based wiki site, cwiki.apache.org.
 > We can assist you with this transition.
 >
 > There is very little we can do about the performance of
 > wiki.apache.org. The stop-and-go slowness issues are usually
 > due to crawlers, spam-bots, or other nefarious entities which
 > cause the existing server to bog down due to the architecture of Moin.

Has this issue been discussed among the Derby community before?

Do folks have an opinion about what we should do here?

thanks,

bryan

Re: Switching wikis?

[Me <m....@gmail.com>]

Hi Bryan,

My 2c:
If the current wiki doesn't fulfill the needs, then switching makes sense. Is converting a lot of work? Are the systems compatible or do we risk having to fix up a lot of formatting? Is it necessary to convert all current pages? Perhaps it's possible to refer to legacy pages and only add new stuff in the new format/tool.

Myrna 

> On Oct 19, 2016, at 6:03 PM, Rick Hillegas <ri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 10/19/16, 4:20 PM, Bryan Pendleton wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> We have an unbelievably fabulous collection of knowledge in the
>> Derby wiki at http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby
>> 
>> However, when I was working with the wiki during the 10.13
>> release process, I found it rather frustrating, because the wiki
>> is very slow to respond and even slower to edit.
>> 
>> Sometimes I would have to wait several minutes for the wiki
>> to respond to a page edit or page save request, and I would
>> routinely have to wait 30 seconds or more to navigate between pages.
>> 
>> I contacted infra@, and they responded with this:
>> 
>> > Unfortunately, the Moinmoin backend for wiki.apache.org doesn’t
>> > scale well, and performance issues are a common problem. We
>> > suggest moving over to our Confluence-based wiki site, cwiki.apache.org.
>> > We can assist you with this transition.
>> >
>> > There is very little we can do about the performance of
>> > wiki.apache.org. The stop-and-go slowness issues are usually
>> > due to crawlers, spam-bots, or other nefarious entities which
>> > cause the existing server to bog down due to the architecture of Moin.
>> 
>> Has this issue been discussed among the Derby community before?
>> 
>> Do folks have an opinion about what we should do here?
>> 
>> thanks,
>> 
>> bryan
> Thanks for looking into this, Bryan. Wiki edits do seem to take longer to commit. I looked at a couple Confluence wikis. They have an attractive layout and use a left pane as a page index, much like our html doc set. I don't know how much work it would take to convert our website to exploit that navigation pane.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Rick

Re: Switching wikis?

[Rick Hillegas <ri...@gmail.com>]

On 10/19/16, 4:20 PM, Bryan Pendleton wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We have an unbelievably fabulous collection of knowledge in the
> Derby wiki at http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby
>
> However, when I was working with the wiki during the 10.13
> release process, I found it rather frustrating, because the wiki
> is very slow to respond and even slower to edit.
>
> Sometimes I would have to wait several minutes for the wiki
> to respond to a page edit or page save request, and I would
> routinely have to wait 30 seconds or more to navigate between pages.
>
> I contacted infra@, and they responded with this:
>
> > Unfortunately, the Moinmoin backend for wiki.apache.org doesn\u2019t
> > scale well, and performance issues are a common problem. We
> > suggest moving over to our Confluence-based wiki site, 
> cwiki.apache.org.
> > We can assist you with this transition.
> >
> > There is very little we can do about the performance of
> > wiki.apache.org. The stop-and-go slowness issues are usually
> > due to crawlers, spam-bots, or other nefarious entities which
> > cause the existing server to bog down due to the architecture of Moin.
>
> Has this issue been discussed among the Derby community before?
>
> Do folks have an opinion about what we should do here?
>
> thanks,
>
> bryan
>
Thanks for looking into this, Bryan. Wiki edits do seem to take longer 
to commit. I looked at a couple Confluence wikis. They have an 
attractive layout and use a left pane as a page index, much like our 
html doc set. I don't know how much work it would take to convert our 
website to exploit that navigation pane.

Thanks,
-Rick