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Posted to dev@shindig.apache.org by "Quinn, Shannon P" <sq...@gatech.edu> on 2008/06/13 01:02:04 UTC
Integrate Shindig with Joomla
Hello all,
I apologize for spamming the list - I dug through the archives and perused the website, but couldn't really find a central point of contact for the project, so as long as I can converse with one person, the rest of you are free to ignore me. :P
My name is Shannon. I am participating in the 2008 rendition of GSoC, working with the Joomla CMS community to make it an OpenSocial container. However, after several conversations with my Joomla advisor, and several looks back at some of the other GSoC projects I'd almost applied for, Shindig captured our attention for many reasons.
I was wondering if I could be a bit more present in this community by way of working to make Joomla an OpenSocial container through integrating it with Shindig. I know there is currently an issue of licensing - Joomla uses the GPLv2 license, which is incompatible with the Apache 2.0 license. However, I understand that Joomla will be moving to GPLv3 very soon, which is apparently much friendlier with Apache's license.
That's pretty much my shpiel. Feedback, comments, and general suggestions are very much much welcome; in fact, I'd love to hear back with thoughts from anyone. Any direction from the experts is appreciated!
Thank you!
Regards,
Shannon Quinn
--
Shannon Quinn
College of Computing
squinn@gatech.edu
Re: Integrate Shindig with Joomla
Posted by Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl>.
Hey Shannon!
Don't worry that's one of the reasons this list exists, so that people
can ask questions about shindig. So don't hesitate Ok, we'd be happy
to help!
Will be cool to see a Open Social enabled Joomla, gadgets and social
gadgets make a lot of sense for a Content Management System where you
want to drop in functionality into your pages, it's almost a natural
extension.. so i can imagine it's a fun project to work on :)
As far as licensing goes, this piece does mention that the Apache
license and GPLv3 license are compatible: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=331
so i hope that would make direct integration possible for you in the
near future.
Until that time you could use the metadata service to get started. You
would take the metadata service to retrieve your gadget's metadata
(title, author, gallery thumbnail, etc etc), and use the iframe it
returns to you to put the actual gadget in the site ... this way the
shindig server and Joomla are completely separated and connected by a
common API, an action which isn't affected by either licenses.
Since your probably using Shindig PHP (since Joomla is written in PHP
too), i think you'll find Partuza a useful code example, it uses the
metadata service (though it creates it's own iframe's in the
templates), has most of the UI bits you would have to make to become
an 'open social container', and implements the custom data handlers
you need to create to connect shindig to your data back end.
So as far as directions on how to start go my suggestion would be to:
1) Set up shindig php and partuza on your server (or local machine).
If your (un)fortunate enough to run a windows box i wrote 2 guides
here that walk you through this process:
http://www.chabotc.com/generic/setting-up-shindig-and-partuza-on-windows/
If not, i hope your capable enough with your platform to figure it out
(if you know how apache vhosts and php modules work it's not so
difficult, if you do run into trouble feel free to ask)
2) Check out partuza's code and how it uses shindig through the
metadata service, how it builds iframe's (Views/gadget/gadget.php is
the main file for this), what param's are required for this iframe and
how to create a security token that the social data server uses to
retrieve the owner, viewer, app id, etc. This should hopefully give
you something of a clear picture how to reproduce this in Joomla
3) Check out the data handlers in partuza/Shindig/*.php, you'll have
to make a Joomla implementation of these to connect the gadgets to
your backend..
4) Start coding & have fun!
Ps, there's a lot of other concepts you'll have to get aquianted too,
like 'activities', 'app data', 'views' etc ... just wade through the
documentation and examples to get a feel for this.
We did a bit of a talk about shindig at the google io btw that you can
view online (only was posted today so good timing) that provides a
slight bit of information about it too:
http://sites.google.com/site/io/apache-shindig-make-your-social-site-an-opensocial-container
Welcome to Shindig & let us know if we can be of assistance!
-- Chris
On Jun 13, 2008, at 1:02 AM, Quinn, Shannon P wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I apologize for spamming the list - I dug through the archives and
> perused the website, but couldn't really find a central point of
> contact for the project, so as long as I can converse with one
> person, the rest of you are free to ignore me. :P
>
> My name is Shannon. I am participating in the 2008 rendition of
> GSoC, working with the Joomla CMS community to make it an OpenSocial
> container. However, after several conversations with my Joomla
> advisor, and several looks back at some of the other GSoC projects
> I'd almost applied for, Shindig captured our attention for many
> reasons.
>
> I was wondering if I could be a bit more present in this community
> by way of working to make Joomla an OpenSocial container through
> integrating it with Shindig. I know there is currently an issue of
> licensing - Joomla uses the GPLv2 license, which is incompatible
> with the Apache 2.0 license. However, I understand that Joomla will
> be moving to GPLv3 very soon, which is apparently much friendlier
> with Apache's license.
>
> That's pretty much my shpiel. Feedback, comments, and general
> suggestions are very much much welcome; in fact, I'd love to hear
> back with thoughts from anyone. Any direction from the experts is
> appreciated!
>
> Thank you!
>
> Regards,
> Shannon Quinn
>
> --
> Shannon Quinn
> College of Computing
> squinn@gatech.edu
Re: Integrate Shindig with Joomla
Posted by Brad Defnall <bd...@gmail.com>.
I have experience with joomla and its codebase. I second the notion of a
blackbox shindig deployment.... I wouldn't attempt to merge their codebases
at all, or even run the two in the same container. I'd run shindig on
another server.
You could put an OAuth agent on the web tier (joomla side) to aid with user
authorization to shindig, and maintain joomla's user registration and
authentication/authorization.
That's just my opinion, it's only worth what you paid for it ;)
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 2:35 AM, John Hjelmstad <fa...@google.com> wrote:
> Hey Chris:
>
> The clarification is appreciated. I knew APLv2 allows redistribution so
> long
> as it maintains APLv2 licensing. I wasn't aware that using Shindig as a
> library (albeit a copied one, under separate license) was not possible via
> GPLv2'd code... In any case, in a post-GPLv3 world all works well.
>
> Clearly Joomla's being written in PHP makes Shindig PHP a better fit for
> their use. :) This said, a black-box Shindig deployment would work as a JAR
> (or WAR).. just sayin :)
>
> John
>
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> > Hey John! Hows things?
> >
> > To avoid confusion, the apache license does allow you to cut and paste as
> > you want, however the GPLv2 does not allow you to put anything in there
> ....
> > it's viral and the added code would automatically become 'gpl v2'. Since
> he
> > isn't the author of shindig, he doesn't have the right to license it as
> > such, so is effectively barred from using shindig's code in Joomla.
> However
> > as he mentioned, the GPLv3 does allow this
> >
> > An brief discussion about this can be found here:
> > http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=331
> >
> > With even a specific mention of the GPLv3 and APLv2:
> >
> > "The FSF has stated explicitly that Apache 2.0 is compatible with GPLv3.
> I
> > asked Apache if they could confirm. "Yes," wrote Justin Erenkrantz of the
> > Apache Foundation, "and we're very excited about this!" He says section 7
> is
> > the key to the claim of compatibility between GPLv3 and the Apache
> License
> > v2."
> >
> > oh and as a small ps: Joomla is written in PHP, so my guess is he doesn't
> > JAR a lot :)
> >
> > -- Chris
> >
> >
> > On Jun 13, 2008, at 1:35 AM, John Hjelmstad wrote:
> >
> > Also, Shindig's license allows
> >> you to copy code into your codebase (raw or as JARs)
> >>
> >
> >
>
Re: Integrate Shindig with Joomla
Posted by John Hjelmstad <fa...@google.com>.
Hey Chris:
The clarification is appreciated. I knew APLv2 allows redistribution so long
as it maintains APLv2 licensing. I wasn't aware that using Shindig as a
library (albeit a copied one, under separate license) was not possible via
GPLv2'd code... In any case, in a post-GPLv3 world all works well.
Clearly Joomla's being written in PHP makes Shindig PHP a better fit for
their use. :) This said, a black-box Shindig deployment would work as a JAR
(or WAR).. just sayin :)
John
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Hey John! Hows things?
>
> To avoid confusion, the apache license does allow you to cut and paste as
> you want, however the GPLv2 does not allow you to put anything in there ....
> it's viral and the added code would automatically become 'gpl v2'. Since he
> isn't the author of shindig, he doesn't have the right to license it as
> such, so is effectively barred from using shindig's code in Joomla. However
> as he mentioned, the GPLv3 does allow this
>
> An brief discussion about this can be found here:
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=331
>
> With even a specific mention of the GPLv3 and APLv2:
>
> "The FSF has stated explicitly that Apache 2.0 is compatible with GPLv3. I
> asked Apache if they could confirm. "Yes," wrote Justin Erenkrantz of the
> Apache Foundation, "and we're very excited about this!" He says section 7 is
> the key to the claim of compatibility between GPLv3 and the Apache License
> v2."
>
> oh and as a small ps: Joomla is written in PHP, so my guess is he doesn't
> JAR a lot :)
>
> -- Chris
>
>
> On Jun 13, 2008, at 1:35 AM, John Hjelmstad wrote:
>
> Also, Shindig's license allows
>> you to copy code into your codebase (raw or as JARs)
>>
>
>
Re: Integrate Shindig with Joomla
Posted by Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl>.
Hey John! Hows things?
To avoid confusion, the apache license does allow you to cut and paste
as you want, however the GPLv2 does not allow you to put anything in
there .... it's viral and the added code would automatically become
'gpl v2'. Since he isn't the author of shindig, he doesn't have the
right to license it as such, so is effectively barred from using
shindig's code in Joomla. However as he mentioned, the GPLv3 does
allow this
An brief discussion about this can be found here: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=331
With even a specific mention of the GPLv3 and APLv2:
"The FSF has stated explicitly that Apache 2.0 is compatible with
GPLv3. I asked Apache if they could confirm. “Yes,” wrote Justin
Erenkrantz of the Apache Foundation, “and we’re very excited about
this!” He says section 7 is the key to the claim of compatibility
between GPLv3 and the Apache License v2."
oh and as a small ps: Joomla is written in PHP, so my guess is he
doesn't JAR a lot :)
-- Chris
On Jun 13, 2008, at 1:35 AM, John Hjelmstad wrote:
> Also, Shindig's license allows
> you to copy code into your codebase (raw or as JARs)
Re: Integrate Shindig with Joomla
Posted by John Hjelmstad <fa...@google.com>.
Hi Shannon:
We're always happy to welcome a new OpenSocial and gadgets container into
the mix, and Joomla looks like an interesting way to create whole sets of
them. From a superficial read of the Joomla site (joomla.org), a few
integration points might be:
* Ability to add a gadget to an arbitrary Joomla "page"
- with fixed configuration (UserPrefs) or user-defined
* Ability to add an "add gadget to this page" control to any Joomla "page"
- Allows any arbitrary gadget, or set thereof, to be added to the page
* To the extent that Joomla knows about the concept of "users" and how
they're related to one another, providing Joomla-linked implementations of
Person, Activity, and AppData handlers for the OpenSocial APIs. These in
turn would be integrated into a running instance of the Shindig RESTful
server and make the above gadget(s) into OpenSocial Apps relevant to the
Joomla context.
Note that to do any of these, the code bases don't need to merge -- Joomla
can happily be a client or extension of OpenSocial/gadgets by using Shindig
code or by building the container pieces itself. This is advisable since it
keeps the mission of each product focused. Also, Shindig's license allows
you to copy code into your codebase (raw or as JARs)... probably
container-related code (mostly JavaScript) if anything.
Could you say more about Joomla and how you see it working with - or
extended by - Shindig's implementation of OpenSocial and gadgets?
Welcome to Shindig!
--John
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Quinn, Shannon P <sq...@gatech.edu> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I apologize for spamming the list - I dug through the archives and perused
> the website, but couldn't really find a central point of contact for the
> project, so as long as I can converse with one person, the rest of you are
> free to ignore me. :P
>
> My name is Shannon. I am participating in the 2008 rendition of GSoC,
> working with the Joomla CMS community to make it an OpenSocial container.
> However, after several conversations with my Joomla advisor, and several
> looks back at some of the other GSoC projects I'd almost applied for,
> Shindig captured our attention for many reasons.
>
> I was wondering if I could be a bit more present in this community by way
> of working to make Joomla an OpenSocial container through integrating it
> with Shindig. I know there is currently an issue of licensing - Joomla uses
> the GPLv2 license, which is incompatible with the Apache 2.0 license.
> However, I understand that Joomla will be moving to GPLv3 very soon, which
> is apparently much friendlier with Apache's license.
>
> That's pretty much my shpiel. Feedback, comments, and general suggestions
> are very much much welcome; in fact, I'd love to hear back with thoughts
> from anyone. Any direction from the experts is appreciated!
>
> Thank you!
>
> Regards,
> Shannon Quinn
>
> --
> Shannon Quinn
> College of Computing
> squinn@gatech.edu
>