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Posted to users@tapestry.apache.org by Robert <ca...@linuxmail.org> on 2004/04/27 23:55:12 UTC
Hibernate or Cayenne?
I am just curious as to which data persistence layer you guys are using
and why?
Robert
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Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by Cherry Development <av...@cherrydev.com>.
I have a question for you about Cayenne, not having used it. I'm in
the process of looking it over, though. I just finished a project
using Hibernate, though.
I am making a distributed EJB application in which business objects
will be loaded on the application server, sent to a remote client,
manipulated, sent back to the application server, and re-persisted. In
Hibernate, this is problematic because of all of the 'magic' that
Hibernate does to your objects in terms of class enhancement and
proxies in order to make your classes behave 'transparently'.
In your experience, how easy is it to use Cayenne in this way? I can't
find much about EJB on the cayenne web site other than the EJB example,
which doesn't tell me much. Is there anyone you could refer me to
about these issues?
Thanks
Avi Cherry
On May 5, 2004, at 12:43 PM, Eric Schneider wrote:
> f you have more questions, please feel free to email me personally. Or
> move it over to the Cayenne list if you prefer.
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Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by "j. mammen" <jo...@yahoo.com>.
Thanks Eric, it answers my question. Also I am tempted to use Cayenne because of
the modeler. Excellent product.
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Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by Eric Schneider <er...@centralparksoftware.com>.
j,
Every object entity has three panels associated with it in the modeler. The
left most tab labeled "Entity" has an ObjEntity Configuration section.
Under it, there are text fields where you can enter "ObjEntity Name", "Java
Class", and "Superclass".
If you enter a value in the "Superclass" field, this will be the wedge class
that your entities will extend. Of course, you have to implement this class
yourself (the modeler will not generate it for you like the entity auto
classes).
If you have more questions, please feel free to email me personally. Or
move it over to the Cayenne list if you prefer.
Thanks,
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "j. mammen" <jo...@yahoo.com>
To: <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> Eric,
> Can you give an example? or how to setup the modeler to acheive this.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
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Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by "j. mammen" <jo...@yahoo.com>.
Eric,
Can you give an example? or how to setup the modeler to acheive this.
Thanks.
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Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by Eric Schneider <er...@centralparksoftware.com>.
j,
> Only comment I have about Cayenne is that all buisness objects has to
extend
> org.objectstyle.cayenne.CayenneDataObject. This may become a problem in a
> complex inheritance structure
I'm assuming you mean entity classes are "business objects". If this is the
case, what you say is not true. You can wedge any business class in
between your entity classes and CayenneDataObject. This is very common in
Cayenne projects and can be easily setup in the modeler. Let me know if
you need clarification on how to do this.
eric
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From: "j.mammen" <jo...@yahoo.com>
To: <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 6:12 AM
Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> Only comment I have about Cayenne is that all buisness objects has to
extend
> org.objectstyle.cayenne.CayenneDataObject. This may become a problem in a
> complex inheritance structure
>
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Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by "j.mammen" <jo...@yahoo.com>.
Only comment I have about Cayenne is that all buisness objects has to extend
org.objectstyle.cayenne.CayenneDataObject. This may become a problem in a
complex inheritance structure
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Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by Eric Schneider <er...@centralparksoftware.com>.
Cayenne has something very similar. It's not a "syncing" plugin in eclipse,
but a Ant task bundled with Cayenne that examines the map file for changes
(that you'd make in the modeler) and regenerates your entity superclasses
when needed. It insures your project is always up-to-date with your model.
This Ant task is usually included as a dependency in the project's normal
build. It's fairly straightforward.
eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosdi Kasim" <ro...@onepixel.com.my>
To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
>
> I am new to both Cayenne and Hibernate.. (or even Tapestry infact!)..
>
> I do not know whether you guys are aware of it, but Eclipse has a
Hibernate
> plugin that is really cool! Hibernate Synchronizer can generate HBM files
> along with its Java classes with little effort (if any at all), and the
> author is so kind to give it for free...! take a look at
> http://www.binamics.com/hibernatesynch/
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Schneider" <er...@centralparksoftware.com>
> To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
>
>
> > Karel,
> >
> > There's a user guide.
> >
> > http://www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/userguide/index.html
> >
> > A modeler guide.
> >
> > http://www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/modelerguide/index.html
> >
> > A set of examples
> >
> > http://www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/examples/index.html
> >
> > Also, there is a Tapestry/Cayenne example application bundled with
> Cayenne.
> > The cayenne user list is very helpful as well.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Karel Miarka" <ka...@issa.cz>
> > To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:03 AM
> > Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> >
> >
> > > Eric,
> > >
> > > is there some documentation (user guide, tutorials) for Cayenne? I
have
> > > looked to Caynne web site several times, but I have found only some
very
> > > short documentation. This always made me stay with Hibernate which is
> > > already quite well documented and a book (Hibernate in Action) is
> ongoing.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Karel
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Eric Schneider" <er...@centralparksoftware.com>
> > > To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 12:21 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Colin,
> > > >
> > > > Much more of an explanation than I needed. Being a contributor to
the
> > > > Cayenne project I'm always interested in hearing why people prefer
> > > > alternatives. It will help us make Cayenne a better framework.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all your great input.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Eric
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Colin Sampaleanu" <co...@exis.com>
> > > > To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 6:15 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Eric,
> > > > >
> > > > > I will admit upfront that I've used Hibernate extensively, but
only
> > > > > played around with Cayenne.
> > > > >
> > > > > I made the statement about Hibernate "probably" being more mature
> > based
> > > > > on the release history (i.e. how long have there been 1.0+
releases,
> > and
> > > > > what features did they contain). On this basis, the new Cayenne
1.1
> > > > release:
> > > > >
> > >
http://www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/userguide/introduction/whats-new.html
> > > > > seems to add a number of features that have been stable and
working
> in
> > > > > Hibernate for quite a while (Optimistic Locking, Entity
Inheritance,
> > > > > Container Managed Transactions, ..). Of course, Cayenne also has
> > > > > features like the CayenneModeler which are part of the distro,
while
> > > > > Hibernate users have to rely on third-party addons.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please don't get me wrong. I know from using it that Hibernate is
> > > > > decent, production ready product (with some holes, as in any
> product),
> > > > > and from what I can tell Cayenne is also a decent library in
roughly
> > the
> > > > > same class. I wasn't trying to do more with my message that
counter
> > the
> > > > > implication in Alex Khilov's message that Hibernate is not used in
> > real
> > > > > production, or is not mature.
> > > > >
> > > > > People should try both libraries and make an informed choice. I
know
> > I'm
> > > > > going to try to find some more time to play with Cayenne now that
> 1.1
> > is
> > > > > almost out the door.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Colin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Eric Schneider wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >Colin,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>Actually, in terms of product maturity, Hibernate is probably
more
> > > > > >>mature;
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Can you elaborate why you think it is more mature? Just
> > curious...have
> > > > you
> > > > > >used Cayenne?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>and has a much larger user base.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Similar to how Struts has a much larger user base over Tapestry.
> > > Anyone
> > > > > >that has used both will tell you that holds little water.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >eric
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "Colin Sampaleanu" <co...@exis.com>
> > > > > >To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:05 PM
> > > > > >Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>Actually, in terms of product maturity, Hibernate is probably
more
> > > > > >>mature; it's been around as a finished product longer, and has a
> > much
> > > > > >>larger user base. However they are both decent and capable
> > products...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Alex Khilov wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>Personally I would choose Cayenne. 'cause I got some experience
> > with
> > > > > >>>Hibernate (and Hibernate's XDoclet), and I really don't like
that
> > > much.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>But, I should admit, that until now I haven't any experience
with
> > > > > >>>Cayenne, so just read documentation on the web.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>Anyway, Cayenne already in real production (www.nhl.com), about
> > > > > >>>Hibernate - no such information.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>Regards,
> > > > > >>>Alex.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>Andy Hutchinson wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>>Thanks Eric, I read the archives. I think I am going to go
with
> > > > > >>>>>Cayenne. I will run with it for a bit to test its legs.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>Could I ask what made you choose Cayenne?
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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RE: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by "Filip S. Adamsen" <fi...@stubkjaer-adamsen.dk>.
Cayenne has a Modeller and some other stuff.
-Filip S. Adamsen
-----Original Message-----
From: Rosdi Kasim [mailto:rosdi@onepixel.com.my]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 3:57 AM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
I am new to both Cayenne and Hibernate.. (or even Tapestry infact!)..
I do not know whether you guys are aware of it, but Eclipse has a Hibernate
plugin that is really cool! Hibernate Synchronizer can generate HBM files
along with its Java classes with little effort (if any at all), and the
author is so kind to give it for free...! take a look at
http://www.binamics.com/hibernatesynch/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schneider" <er...@centralparksoftware.com>
To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> Karel,
>
> There's a user guide.
>
> http://www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/userguide/index.html
>
> A modeler guide.
>
> http://www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/modelerguide/index.html
>
> A set of examples
>
> http://www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/examples/index.html
>
> Also, there is a Tapestry/Cayenne example application bundled with
Cayenne.
> The cayenne user list is very helpful as well.
>
> Eric
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karel Miarka" <ka...@issa.cz>
> To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:03 AM
> Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
>
>
> > Eric,
> >
> > is there some documentation (user guide, tutorials) for Cayenne? I have
> > looked to Caynne web site several times, but I have found only some very
> > short documentation. This always made me stay with Hibernate which is
> > already quite well documented and a book (Hibernate in Action) is
ongoing.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Karel
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eric Schneider" <er...@centralparksoftware.com>
> > To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 12:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> >
> >
> > > Colin,
> > >
> > > Much more of an explanation than I needed. Being a contributor to the
> > > Cayenne project I'm always interested in hearing why people prefer
> > > alternatives. It will help us make Cayenne a better framework.
> > >
> > > Thanks for all your great input.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Eric
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Colin Sampaleanu" <co...@exis.com>
> > > To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 6:15 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Eric,
> > > >
> > > > I will admit upfront that I've used Hibernate extensively, but only
> > > > played around with Cayenne.
> > > >
> > > > I made the statement about Hibernate "probably" being more mature
> based
> > > > on the release history (i.e. how long have there been 1.0+ releases,
> and
> > > > what features did they contain). On this basis, the new Cayenne 1.1
> > > release:
> > > >
> > http://www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/userguide/introduction/whats-new.html
> > > > seems to add a number of features that have been stable and working
in
> > > > Hibernate for quite a while (Optimistic Locking, Entity Inheritance,
> > > > Container Managed Transactions, ..). Of course, Cayenne also has
> > > > features like the CayenneModeler which are part of the distro, while
> > > > Hibernate users have to rely on third-party addons.
> > > >
> > > > Please don't get me wrong. I know from using it that Hibernate is
> > > > decent, production ready product (with some holes, as in any
product),
> > > > and from what I can tell Cayenne is also a decent library in roughly
> the
> > > > same class. I wasn't trying to do more with my message that counter
> the
> > > > implication in Alex Khilov's message that Hibernate is not used in
> real
> > > > production, or is not mature.
> > > >
> > > > People should try both libraries and make an informed choice. I know
> I'm
> > > > going to try to find some more time to play with Cayenne now that
1.1
> is
> > > > almost out the door.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Colin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Eric Schneider wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Colin,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>Actually, in terms of product maturity, Hibernate is probably more
> > > > >>mature;
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >Can you elaborate why you think it is more mature? Just
> curious...have
> > > you
> > > > >used Cayenne?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>and has a much larger user base.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >Similar to how Struts has a much larger user base over Tapestry.
> > Anyone
> > > > >that has used both will tell you that holds little water.
> > > > >
> > > > >eric
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Colin Sampaleanu" <co...@exis.com>
> > > > >To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:05 PM
> > > > >Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>Actually, in terms of product maturity, Hibernate is probably more
> > > > >>mature; it's been around as a finished product longer, and has a
> much
> > > > >>larger user base. However they are both decent and capable
> products...
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Alex Khilov wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>Personally I would choose Cayenne. 'cause I got some experience
> with
> > > > >>>Hibernate (and Hibernate's XDoclet), and I really don't like that
> > much.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>But, I should admit, that until now I haven't any experience with
> > > > >>>Cayenne, so just read documentation on the web.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Anyway, Cayenne already in real production (www.nhl.com), about
> > > > >>>Hibernate - no such information.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Regards,
> > > > >>>Alex.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Andy Hutchinson wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>Thanks Eric, I read the archives. I think I am going to go with
> > > > >>>>>Cayenne. I will run with it for a bit to test its legs.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>Could I ask what made you choose Cayenne?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by Rosdi Kasim <ro...@onepixel.com.my>.
I am new to both Cayenne and Hibernate.. (or even Tapestry infact!)..
I do not know whether you guys are aware of it, but Eclipse has a Hibernate
plugin that is really cool! Hibernate Synchronizer can generate HBM files
along with its Java classes with little effort (if any at all), and the
author is so kind to give it for free...! take a look at
http://www.binamics.com/hibernatesynch/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schneider" <er...@centralparksoftware.com>
To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> Karel,
>
> There's a user guide.
>
> http://www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/userguide/index.html
>
> A modeler guide.
>
> http://www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/modelerguide/index.html
>
> A set of examples
>
> http://www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/examples/index.html
>
> Also, there is a Tapestry/Cayenne example application bundled with
Cayenne.
> The cayenne user list is very helpful as well.
>
> Eric
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karel Miarka" <ka...@issa.cz>
> To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:03 AM
> Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
>
>
> > Eric,
> >
> > is there some documentation (user guide, tutorials) for Cayenne? I have
> > looked to Caynne web site several times, but I have found only some very
> > short documentation. This always made me stay with Hibernate which is
> > already quite well documented and a book (Hibernate in Action) is
ongoing.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Karel
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eric Schneider" <er...@centralparksoftware.com>
> > To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 12:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> >
> >
> > > Colin,
> > >
> > > Much more of an explanation than I needed. Being a contributor to the
> > > Cayenne project I'm always interested in hearing why people prefer
> > > alternatives. It will help us make Cayenne a better framework.
> > >
> > > Thanks for all your great input.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Eric
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Colin Sampaleanu" <co...@exis.com>
> > > To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 6:15 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Eric,
> > > >
> > > > I will admit upfront that I've used Hibernate extensively, but only
> > > > played around with Cayenne.
> > > >
> > > > I made the statement about Hibernate "probably" being more mature
> based
> > > > on the release history (i.e. how long have there been 1.0+ releases,
> and
> > > > what features did they contain). On this basis, the new Cayenne 1.1
> > > release:
> > > >
> > http://www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/userguide/introduction/whats-new.html
> > > > seems to add a number of features that have been stable and working
in
> > > > Hibernate for quite a while (Optimistic Locking, Entity Inheritance,
> > > > Container Managed Transactions, ..). Of course, Cayenne also has
> > > > features like the CayenneModeler which are part of the distro, while
> > > > Hibernate users have to rely on third-party addons.
> > > >
> > > > Please don't get me wrong. I know from using it that Hibernate is
> > > > decent, production ready product (with some holes, as in any
product),
> > > > and from what I can tell Cayenne is also a decent library in roughly
> the
> > > > same class. I wasn't trying to do more with my message that counter
> the
> > > > implication in Alex Khilov's message that Hibernate is not used in
> real
> > > > production, or is not mature.
> > > >
> > > > People should try both libraries and make an informed choice. I know
> I'm
> > > > going to try to find some more time to play with Cayenne now that
1.1
> is
> > > > almost out the door.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Colin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Eric Schneider wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Colin,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>Actually, in terms of product maturity, Hibernate is probably more
> > > > >>mature;
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >Can you elaborate why you think it is more mature? Just
> curious...have
> > > you
> > > > >used Cayenne?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>and has a much larger user base.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >Similar to how Struts has a much larger user base over Tapestry.
> > Anyone
> > > > >that has used both will tell you that holds little water.
> > > > >
> > > > >eric
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Colin Sampaleanu" <co...@exis.com>
> > > > >To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:05 PM
> > > > >Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>Actually, in terms of product maturity, Hibernate is probably more
> > > > >>mature; it's been around as a finished product longer, and has a
> much
> > > > >>larger user base. However they are both decent and capable
> products...
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Alex Khilov wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>Personally I would choose Cayenne. 'cause I got some experience
> with
> > > > >>>Hibernate (and Hibernate's XDoclet), and I really don't like that
> > much.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>But, I should admit, that until now I haven't any experience with
> > > > >>>Cayenne, so just read documentation on the web.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Anyway, Cayenne already in real production (www.nhl.com), about
> > > > >>>Hibernate - no such information.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Regards,
> > > > >>>Alex.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Andy Hutchinson wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>Thanks Eric, I read the archives. I think I am going to go with
> > > > >>>>>Cayenne. I will run with it for a bit to test its legs.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>Could I ask what made you choose Cayenne?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by Eric Schneider <er...@centralparksoftware.com>.
Karel,
There's a user guide.
http://www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/userguide/index.html
A modeler guide.
http://www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/modelerguide/index.html
A set of examples
http://www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/examples/index.html
Also, there is a Tapestry/Cayenne example application bundled with Cayenne.
The cayenne user list is very helpful as well.
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karel Miarka" <ka...@issa.cz>
To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> Eric,
>
> is there some documentation (user guide, tutorials) for Cayenne? I have
> looked to Caynne web site several times, but I have found only some very
> short documentation. This always made me stay with Hibernate which is
> already quite well documented and a book (Hibernate in Action) is ongoing.
>
> Regards,
> Karel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Schneider" <er...@centralparksoftware.com>
> To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 12:21 AM
> Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
>
>
> > Colin,
> >
> > Much more of an explanation than I needed. Being a contributor to the
> > Cayenne project I'm always interested in hearing why people prefer
> > alternatives. It will help us make Cayenne a better framework.
> >
> > Thanks for all your great input.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Eric
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Colin Sampaleanu" <co...@exis.com>
> > To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 6:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> >
> >
> > > Eric,
> > >
> > > I will admit upfront that I've used Hibernate extensively, but only
> > > played around with Cayenne.
> > >
> > > I made the statement about Hibernate "probably" being more mature
based
> > > on the release history (i.e. how long have there been 1.0+ releases,
and
> > > what features did they contain). On this basis, the new Cayenne 1.1
> > release:
> > >
> http://www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/userguide/introduction/whats-new.html
> > > seems to add a number of features that have been stable and working in
> > > Hibernate for quite a while (Optimistic Locking, Entity Inheritance,
> > > Container Managed Transactions, ..). Of course, Cayenne also has
> > > features like the CayenneModeler which are part of the distro, while
> > > Hibernate users have to rely on third-party addons.
> > >
> > > Please don't get me wrong. I know from using it that Hibernate is
> > > decent, production ready product (with some holes, as in any product),
> > > and from what I can tell Cayenne is also a decent library in roughly
the
> > > same class. I wasn't trying to do more with my message that counter
the
> > > implication in Alex Khilov's message that Hibernate is not used in
real
> > > production, or is not mature.
> > >
> > > People should try both libraries and make an informed choice. I know
I'm
> > > going to try to find some more time to play with Cayenne now that 1.1
is
> > > almost out the door.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Colin
> > >
> > >
> > > Eric Schneider wrote:
> > >
> > > >Colin,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Actually, in terms of product maturity, Hibernate is probably more
> > > >>mature;
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Can you elaborate why you think it is more mature? Just
curious...have
> > you
> > > >used Cayenne?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>and has a much larger user base.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Similar to how Struts has a much larger user base over Tapestry.
> Anyone
> > > >that has used both will tell you that holds little water.
> > > >
> > > >eric
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Colin Sampaleanu" <co...@exis.com>
> > > >To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:05 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Actually, in terms of product maturity, Hibernate is probably more
> > > >>mature; it's been around as a finished product longer, and has a
much
> > > >>larger user base. However they are both decent and capable
products...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>Alex Khilov wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>Personally I would choose Cayenne. 'cause I got some experience
with
> > > >>>Hibernate (and Hibernate's XDoclet), and I really don't like that
> much.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>But, I should admit, that until now I haven't any experience with
> > > >>>Cayenne, so just read documentation on the web.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Anyway, Cayenne already in real production (www.nhl.com), about
> > > >>>Hibernate - no such information.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Regards,
> > > >>>Alex.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Andy Hutchinson wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>Thanks Eric, I read the archives. I think I am going to go with
> > > >>>>>Cayenne. I will run with it for a bit to test its legs.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Could I ask what made you choose Cayenne?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
> > >
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RE: Palette Width
Posted by Perry Q Hertler <pe...@yahoo.com>.
I should have mentioned in my original post that I
have tried what is in the documentation with no
success. However, I have tried what I suggested and
it does work.
--- "Filip S. Adamsen" <fi...@stubkjaer-adamsen.dk>
wrote:
> This was taken from the Component Reference page
> about contrib:Palette:
>
> [quote]
> A Palette requires some CSS entries to render
> correctly ... especially the
> middle column, which contains the two or four
> buttons for moving selections
> between the two columns. The width and alignment of
> this column must be set
> using CSS. Additionally, CSS is commonly used to
> give the Palette columns a
> fixed width, and to dress up the titles. Here is an
> example of some CSS you
> can use to format the palette component:
>
> TD.available-cell SELECT
> {
> font-weight: normal;
> background-color: #FFFFFF;
> width: 200px;
> }
>
> TD.selected-cell SELECT
> {
> font-weight: normal;
> background-color: #FFFFFF;
> width: 200px;
> }
> [/quote]
>
>
http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry/doc/api/org/apache/tapestry/contrib/palet
> te/Palette.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Perry Q Hertler
> [mailto:perry_hertler@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 3:21 AM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Palette Width
>
> It looks to me like there is no way of setting the
> width of the <select> inside the Palette component.
>
> It seems that the render method in
> org.apache.tapestry.contrib.palette.PaletteColumn
> needs to allow for a class attribute.
>
> Am I missing something or do I need to modify the
> PaletteColum code?
>
> Thanks,
> Perry
>
>
>
>
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RE: Palette Width
Posted by "Filip S. Adamsen" <fi...@stubkjaer-adamsen.dk>.
This was taken from the Component Reference page about contrib:Palette:
[quote]
A Palette requires some CSS entries to render correctly ... especially the
middle column, which contains the two or four buttons for moving selections
between the two columns. The width and alignment of this column must be set
using CSS. Additionally, CSS is commonly used to give the Palette columns a
fixed width, and to dress up the titles. Here is an example of some CSS you
can use to format the palette component:
TD.available-cell SELECT
{
font-weight: normal;
background-color: #FFFFFF;
width: 200px;
}
TD.selected-cell SELECT
{
font-weight: normal;
background-color: #FFFFFF;
width: 200px;
}
[/quote]
http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry/doc/api/org/apache/tapestry/contrib/palet
te/Palette.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Perry Q Hertler [mailto:perry_hertler@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 3:21 AM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Palette Width
It looks to me like there is no way of setting the
width of the <select> inside the Palette component.
It seems that the render method in
org.apache.tapestry.contrib.palette.PaletteColumn
needs to allow for a class attribute.
Am I missing something or do I need to modify the
PaletteColum code?
Thanks,
Perry
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Palette Width
Posted by Perry Q Hertler <pe...@yahoo.com>.
It looks to me like there is no way of setting the
width of the <select> inside the Palette component.
It seems that the render method in
org.apache.tapestry.contrib.palette.PaletteColumn
needs to allow for a class attribute.
Am I missing something or do I need to modify the
PaletteColum code?
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Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by Karel Miarka <ka...@issa.cz>.
Eric,
is there some documentation (user guide, tutorials) for Cayenne? I have
looked to Caynne web site several times, but I have found only some very
short documentation. This always made me stay with Hibernate which is
already quite well documented and a book (Hibernate in Action) is ongoing.
Regards,
Karel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schneider" <er...@centralparksoftware.com>
To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> Colin,
>
> Much more of an explanation than I needed. Being a contributor to the
> Cayenne project I'm always interested in hearing why people prefer
> alternatives. It will help us make Cayenne a better framework.
>
> Thanks for all your great input.
>
> Cheers,
> Eric
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Colin Sampaleanu" <co...@exis.com>
> To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
>
>
> > Eric,
> >
> > I will admit upfront that I've used Hibernate extensively, but only
> > played around with Cayenne.
> >
> > I made the statement about Hibernate "probably" being more mature based
> > on the release history (i.e. how long have there been 1.0+ releases, and
> > what features did they contain). On this basis, the new Cayenne 1.1
> release:
> >
http://www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/userguide/introduction/whats-new.html
> > seems to add a number of features that have been stable and working in
> > Hibernate for quite a while (Optimistic Locking, Entity Inheritance,
> > Container Managed Transactions, ..). Of course, Cayenne also has
> > features like the CayenneModeler which are part of the distro, while
> > Hibernate users have to rely on third-party addons.
> >
> > Please don't get me wrong. I know from using it that Hibernate is
> > decent, production ready product (with some holes, as in any product),
> > and from what I can tell Cayenne is also a decent library in roughly the
> > same class. I wasn't trying to do more with my message that counter the
> > implication in Alex Khilov's message that Hibernate is not used in real
> > production, or is not mature.
> >
> > People should try both libraries and make an informed choice. I know I'm
> > going to try to find some more time to play with Cayenne now that 1.1 is
> > almost out the door.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Colin
> >
> >
> > Eric Schneider wrote:
> >
> > >Colin,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Actually, in terms of product maturity, Hibernate is probably more
> > >>mature;
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >Can you elaborate why you think it is more mature? Just curious...have
> you
> > >used Cayenne?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>and has a much larger user base.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >Similar to how Struts has a much larger user base over Tapestry.
Anyone
> > >that has used both will tell you that holds little water.
> > >
> > >eric
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Colin Sampaleanu" <co...@exis.com>
> > >To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:05 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Actually, in terms of product maturity, Hibernate is probably more
> > >>mature; it's been around as a finished product longer, and has a much
> > >>larger user base. However they are both decent and capable products...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Alex Khilov wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Personally I would choose Cayenne. 'cause I got some experience with
> > >>>Hibernate (and Hibernate's XDoclet), and I really don't like that
much.
> > >>>
> > >>>But, I should admit, that until now I haven't any experience with
> > >>>Cayenne, so just read documentation on the web.
> > >>>
> > >>>Anyway, Cayenne already in real production (www.nhl.com), about
> > >>>Hibernate - no such information.
> > >>>
> > >>>Regards,
> > >>>Alex.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Andy Hutchinson wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>Thanks Eric, I read the archives. I think I am going to go with
> > >>>>>Cayenne. I will run with it for a bit to test its legs.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Could I ask what made you choose Cayenne?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> >
> >
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Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by Eric Schneider <er...@centralparksoftware.com>.
Colin,
Much more of an explanation than I needed. Being a contributor to the
Cayenne project I'm always interested in hearing why people prefer
alternatives. It will help us make Cayenne a better framework.
Thanks for all your great input.
Cheers,
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin Sampaleanu" <co...@exis.com>
To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> Eric,
>
> I will admit upfront that I've used Hibernate extensively, but only
> played around with Cayenne.
>
> I made the statement about Hibernate "probably" being more mature based
> on the release history (i.e. how long have there been 1.0+ releases, and
> what features did they contain). On this basis, the new Cayenne 1.1
release:
> http://www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/userguide/introduction/whats-new.html
> seems to add a number of features that have been stable and working in
> Hibernate for quite a while (Optimistic Locking, Entity Inheritance,
> Container Managed Transactions, ..). Of course, Cayenne also has
> features like the CayenneModeler which are part of the distro, while
> Hibernate users have to rely on third-party addons.
>
> Please don't get me wrong. I know from using it that Hibernate is
> decent, production ready product (with some holes, as in any product),
> and from what I can tell Cayenne is also a decent library in roughly the
> same class. I wasn't trying to do more with my message that counter the
> implication in Alex Khilov's message that Hibernate is not used in real
> production, or is not mature.
>
> People should try both libraries and make an informed choice. I know I'm
> going to try to find some more time to play with Cayenne now that 1.1 is
> almost out the door.
>
> Regards,
> Colin
>
>
> Eric Schneider wrote:
>
> >Colin,
> >
> >
> >
> >>Actually, in terms of product maturity, Hibernate is probably more
> >>mature;
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Can you elaborate why you think it is more mature? Just curious...have
you
> >used Cayenne?
> >
> >
> >
> >>and has a much larger user base.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Similar to how Struts has a much larger user base over Tapestry. Anyone
> >that has used both will tell you that holds little water.
> >
> >eric
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Colin Sampaleanu" <co...@exis.com>
> >To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:05 PM
> >Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Actually, in terms of product maturity, Hibernate is probably more
> >>mature; it's been around as a finished product longer, and has a much
> >>larger user base. However they are both decent and capable products...
> >>
> >>
> >>Alex Khilov wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Personally I would choose Cayenne. 'cause I got some experience with
> >>>Hibernate (and Hibernate's XDoclet), and I really don't like that much.
> >>>
> >>>But, I should admit, that until now I haven't any experience with
> >>>Cayenne, so just read documentation on the web.
> >>>
> >>>Anyway, Cayenne already in real production (www.nhl.com), about
> >>>Hibernate - no such information.
> >>>
> >>>Regards,
> >>>Alex.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Andy Hutchinson wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>Thanks Eric, I read the archives. I think I am going to go with
> >>>>>Cayenne. I will run with it for a bit to test its legs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Could I ask what made you choose Cayenne?
> >>>>
> >>>>
>
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Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by Colin Sampaleanu <co...@exis.com>.
Eric,
I will admit upfront that I've used Hibernate extensively, but only
played around with Cayenne.
I made the statement about Hibernate "probably" being more mature based
on the release history (i.e. how long have there been 1.0+ releases, and
what features did they contain). On this basis, the new Cayenne 1.1 release:
http://www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/userguide/introduction/whats-new.html
seems to add a number of features that have been stable and working in
Hibernate for quite a while (Optimistic Locking, Entity Inheritance,
Container Managed Transactions, ..). Of course, Cayenne also has
features like the CayenneModeler which are part of the distro, while
Hibernate users have to rely on third-party addons.
Please don't get me wrong. I know from using it that Hibernate is
decent, production ready product (with some holes, as in any product),
and from what I can tell Cayenne is also a decent library in roughly the
same class. I wasn't trying to do more with my message that counter the
implication in Alex Khilov's message that Hibernate is not used in real
production, or is not mature.
People should try both libraries and make an informed choice. I know I'm
going to try to find some more time to play with Cayenne now that 1.1 is
almost out the door.
Regards,
Colin
Eric Schneider wrote:
>Colin,
>
>
>
>>Actually, in terms of product maturity, Hibernate is probably more
>>mature;
>>
>>
>
>Can you elaborate why you think it is more mature? Just curious...have you
>used Cayenne?
>
>
>
>>and has a much larger user base.
>>
>>
>
>Similar to how Struts has a much larger user base over Tapestry. Anyone
>that has used both will tell you that holds little water.
>
>eric
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Colin Sampaleanu" <co...@exis.com>
>To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:05 PM
>Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
>
>
>
>
>>Actually, in terms of product maturity, Hibernate is probably more
>>mature; it's been around as a finished product longer, and has a much
>>larger user base. However they are both decent and capable products...
>>
>>
>>Alex Khilov wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Personally I would choose Cayenne. 'cause I got some experience with
>>>Hibernate (and Hibernate's XDoclet), and I really don't like that much.
>>>
>>>But, I should admit, that until now I haven't any experience with
>>>Cayenne, so just read documentation on the web.
>>>
>>>Anyway, Cayenne already in real production (www.nhl.com), about
>>>Hibernate - no such information.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Alex.
>>>
>>>
>>>Andy Hutchinson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Thanks Eric, I read the archives. I think I am going to go with
>>>>>Cayenne. I will run with it for a bit to test its legs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Could I ask what made you choose Cayenne?
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by Eric Schneider <er...@centralparksoftware.com>.
Colin,
> Actually, in terms of product maturity, Hibernate is probably more
> mature;
Can you elaborate why you think it is more mature? Just curious...have you
used Cayenne?
> and has a much larger user base.
Similar to how Struts has a much larger user base over Tapestry. Anyone
that has used both will tell you that holds little water.
eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin Sampaleanu" <co...@exis.com>
To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> Actually, in terms of product maturity, Hibernate is probably more
> mature; it's been around as a finished product longer, and has a much
> larger user base. However they are both decent and capable products...
>
>
> Alex Khilov wrote:
>
> > Personally I would choose Cayenne. 'cause I got some experience with
> > Hibernate (and Hibernate's XDoclet), and I really don't like that much.
> >
> > But, I should admit, that until now I haven't any experience with
> > Cayenne, so just read documentation on the web.
> >
> > Anyway, Cayenne already in real production (www.nhl.com), about
> > Hibernate - no such information.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Alex.
> >
> >
> > Andy Hutchinson wrote:
> >
> >>> Thanks Eric, I read the archives. I think I am going to go with
> >>> Cayenne. I will run with it for a bit to test its legs.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Could I ask what made you choose Cayenne?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by Colin Sampaleanu <co...@exis.com>.
Actually, in terms of product maturity, Hibernate is probably more
mature; it's been around as a finished product longer, and has a much
larger user base. However they are both decent and capable products...
Alex Khilov wrote:
> Personally I would choose Cayenne. 'cause I got some experience with
> Hibernate (and Hibernate's XDoclet), and I really don't like that much.
>
> But, I should admit, that until now I haven't any experience with
> Cayenne, so just read documentation on the web.
>
> Anyway, Cayenne already in real production (www.nhl.com), about
> Hibernate - no such information.
>
> Regards,
> Alex.
>
>
> Andy Hutchinson wrote:
>
>>> Thanks Eric, I read the archives. I think I am going to go with
>>> Cayenne. I will run with it for a bit to test its legs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Could I ask what made you choose Cayenne?
>
>
>
>
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Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by Alex Khilov <kh...@ukr.net>.
Personally I would choose Cayenne. 'cause I got some experience with
Hibernate (and Hibernate's XDoclet), and I really don't like that much.
But, I should admit, that until now I haven't any experience with
Cayenne, so just read documentation on the web.
Anyway, Cayenne already in real production (www.nhl.com), about
Hibernate - no such information.
Regards,
Alex.
Andy Hutchinson wrote:
>> Thanks Eric, I read the archives. I think I am going to go with
>> Cayenne. I will run with it for a bit to test its legs.
>
>
> Could I ask what made you choose Cayenne?
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Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by Robert <ca...@linuxmail.org>.
Andy Hutchinson wrote:
> At 11:42 28/04/2004, Robert wrote:
>
>> Eric Schneider wrote:
>>
>>> BTW, there seems to be a lot of experience on this list with both O/R
>>> frameworks. You want have problems finding help with either.
>>> Good luck,
>>> Eric
>>
>> Thanks Eric, I read the archives. I think I am going to go with
>> Cayenne. I will run with it for a bit to test its legs.
>
>
> Could I ask what made you choose Cayenne?
>
I have a friend who is using it and is a ready store of information for
me. : )
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Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by Andy Hutchinson <an...@extensible.co.uk>.
At 11:42 28/04/2004, Robert wrote:
>Eric Schneider wrote:
>>BTW, there seems to be a lot of experience on this list with both O/R
>>frameworks. You want have problems finding help with either.
>>Good luck,
>>Eric
>Thanks Eric, I read the archives. I think I am going to go with Cayenne. I
>will run with it for a bit to test its legs.
Could I ask what made you choose Cayenne?
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Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by Robert <ca...@linuxmail.org>.
Eric Schneider wrote:
> BTW, there seems to be a lot of experience on this list with both O/R
> frameworks. You want have problems finding help with either.
>
> Good luck,
> Eric
>
>
Thanks Eric, I read the archives. I think I am going to go with Cayenne.
I will run with it for a bit to test its legs.
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Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by Eric Schneider <er...@centralparksoftware.com>.
BTW, there seems to be a lot of experience on this list with both O/R
frameworks. You want have problems finding help with either.
Good luck,
Eric
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From: "Robert" <ca...@linuxmail.org>
To: <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> Eric Schneider wrote:
>
> > Just do a search of the archives. There have been numerous posts on
this
> > topic.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> Will do!
>
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Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by Robert <ca...@linuxmail.org>.
Eric Schneider wrote:
> Just do a search of the archives. There have been numerous posts on this
> topic.
>
> Eric
>
Will do!
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Re: Hibernate or Cayenne?
Posted by Eric Schneider <er...@centralparksoftware.com>.
Just do a search of the archives. There have been numerous posts on this
topic.
Eric
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Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 5:55 PM
Subject: Hibernate or Cayenne?
> I am just curious as to which data persistence layer you guys are using
> and why?
>
> Robert
>
>
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