Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project

[Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org>]

Hi,

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dave & Others,
>
> This "3rd party" site (https://github.com/dubbo) is used for building
> Dubbo's eco-system. Just as you said, It contains both the projects which
> will be donated and which may not, so the final goal for this "3rd party"
> site is pretty clear: it will contain and only contain projects won't
> donate, and if there's no project left eventually, this site does not
> necessarily exist.
>
> What we're doing now is to solve the potential branding issues, in order to
> answer the challenges from whom wearing the trademark committee hat. It is
> an ad-hoc actions since we need to solve this particular issue as quickly
> as possible. Here're what we are doing as short-term actions:
>
> 1. Rename dubbo group to other name. - not yet

Or create a new group and move all the projects to it, left dubbo as
an empty group. (The purpose is just to ensure nobody is trying to
abuse it)

> 2. Stop using Dubbo logo as group's avatar - done
> 3. Rename all project names in compliance with the policies - ongoing

+1

>
>
> At the same time, I strongly agree with what Dave suggested for the long
> run plan. Here's what I propose (certainly this plan needs to be vote in
> dubbo's mailing list):
>
> 1. All projects will be transferred to Apache group with ETA

I will try to discuss this with the project owners and Dubbo community
to work out a ETA.

> 2. After that, all members in this group will be join Apache if they are
> willing to (after they go through the vote certainly)

As long as the project is under ASF, anyone can become committer by
earning enough merit.

> 3. After the transition is done, this particular group will be deleted

+1.

>
> I will init the vote for the long term plan in dubbo's community today, and
> we will get back with the concrete transition plan with ETA to the board
> meeting as soon as possible. I hope we can satisfy the IPMC by doing this.
> Pls. let me know if this is sufficient. We can adjust the plan if any
> further suggestion comes up.

I think the Dubbo community can deliver an improved version of [1] to
IPMC, by filling all the blanks and with a new column ETA.

[1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
>
> Regards,
> -Ian.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:29 AM Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi -
> >
> > (With trademark committee hat)
> >
> > Trademark resources can all be found from here:
> > Trademark resources sitemap:
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
> > PMC responsibility: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility
> > Improper third party uses:
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#police
> > Formal policy: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
> >
> > I don’t think that there is a formal policy to handle the situation where
> > a transitional, "3rd party” site controlled by the PMC exists that will be
> > phased out. Generally trademarks is looking for that PMC to be working with
> > and engaging 3rd parties to fix any branding issues.
> >
> > I think it is important to know what the goal is for the "3rd party" site
> > is and when that will be achieved.
> >
> > (Dubbo mentor hat)
> >
> > I think that rather than quickly responding by fixing various issues in an
> > ad hoc manner it would be good to present the long term plan and then agree
> > on the needed language on the “3rd party site”
> >
> > For example, the treatment of “product” that will be donated into the
> > project codebase differs from “product” that won’t be. The “for Apache
> > Dubbo” makes no sense for product that will be moved into Dubbo.
> >
> > The next board meeting is May 15th and there is time to carefully address
> > the plan to the satisfaction of the IPMC.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> >
> > > On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates that
> > > such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need that
> > > information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > >
> > > I used to read this from incubator discussions. Zipkin and SkyWalking
> > were
> > > facing that question. Could someone help about this?
> > >
> > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > >
> > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > >
> > >
> > > Jan Piotrowski <pi...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午11:29写道：
> > >
> > >> Semi OT:
> > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates that
> > >> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need that
> > >> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > >>
> > >> -J
> > >>
> > >> Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu <
> > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > >>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > >>>
> > >>> The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, especially for these
> > >> three.
> > >>> I also used to see the traditional rename to xxx-for-apache-project
> > >>> 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > >>> 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py
> > >>> 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework
> > >>>
> > >>> Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release repo(npm), the
> > >>> description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2]. Right?
> > >>> If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking used to be
> > asked
> > >>> stop in the same case.
> > >>> Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which isn't.
> > >>>
> > >>> [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js
> > >>> [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > >>>
> > >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > >>>
> > >>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > >>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:46写道：
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to other
> > >> name
> > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > >>>> dubbo.github.io,
> > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep website
> > >> in
> > >>>>> this group
> > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Please discuss with your community, then make the decision. I just
> > >> reply
> > >>>> the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the
> > dubbo.github.io
> > >> ,
> > >>>> if the community wants), is also a good idea.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my concern. I trust
> > >> the
> > >>>> Dubbo community could make it right.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > >>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道：
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Those two are good options. Please read my prev reply[1], which
> > >>>>> concerns me
> > >>>>>> more are
> > >>>>>> 1. Website codebase.
> > >>>>>> 2. GitHub org name and logo.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be disallowed, we will
> > >> do
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>> following things against dubbo group:
> > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to other
> > name
> > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > >> dubbo.github.io
> > >>>>> ,
> > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep website
> > >> in
> > >>>>> this group
> > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Let me know if your concerns will be completely addressed once the
> > >> actions
> > >>>>> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our mentors and
> > >>>>> hopefully get back to you soon.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>> -Ian.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu <
> > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hi.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going. We
> > >> cannot
> > >>>>>> do it
> > >>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make sure ICLA
> > >> for
> > >>>>>> each
> > >>>>>>> projects are signed,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo, which is
> > >> decided by
> > >>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>> project owner or Dubbo community.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> eventually we hope to move everything into Apache group except
> > >> for
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>>> repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> As you mentioned, which make me concern more. Especially you say
> > >>>>>>> `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> No. The redirection has been completed.
> > >>>>>> You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io
> > >>>>>> The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME.
> > >>>>>> Other files are archive for the old website before joining ASF.
> > >>>>>> To make it better understandable, I think it is better to move them
> > >> to
> > >>>>>> other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose.
> > >>>>>> I update the description and readme, removing the word "eventually".
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section Initial
> > >> Source,
> > >>>>> "Home
> > >>>>>>> Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"
> > >>>>>>> If the transfer has not been finished, you should wait for that
> > >> before
> > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to dubbo.io has been
> > >>>>>> redirected to dubbo.apache.org.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and host all in
> > >>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If not, which
> > >> is
> > >>>>>> harder
> > >>>>>>> to understand for me.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to either Apache
> > >> or
> > >>>>>> Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF.
> > >>>>>> The Dubbo community do not have access to change the DNS record.
> > >>>>>> The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> This is a block for me.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group
> > >> like
> > >>>>> this:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You changed some. But if you look clearly about the logo(GitHub
> > >> org
> > >>>>>>> avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are the same,
> > >> which
> > >>>>> both
> > >>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>> them belong to ASF.
> > >>>>>>> Which makes me think the branding has not been cleared.
> > >> Especially, I
> > >>>>>> think
> > >>>>>>> Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so this should
> > >> be
> > >>>>> able
> > >>>>>>> to be fixed.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I have no objection to rename the organization if this is an issue.
> > >>>>>> I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is useful just for
> > >>>>>> defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it.
> > >>>>>> Another way is to create another group with something other than
> > >>>>>> dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
> > >>>>>>> this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system temporarily before the
> > >>>>>>> transition finishes.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are going to be a
> > >> TLP, the
> > >>>>>>> PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what do you want
> > >> about
> > >>>>>> your
> > >>>>>>> own repo.
> > >>>>>>> Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the specific ones
> > >> in
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>>> initial org, https://github.com/dubbo
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> > >>>>>>> [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
> > >>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/dubbo
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > >>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道：
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are
> > >> done.
> > >>>>>> Could
> > >>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1] org
> > >> to
> > >>>>> be
> > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other
> > >>>>>> way(community
> > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very important.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going. We
> > >> cannot
> > >>>>>> do it
> > >>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make sure
> > >> ICLA
> > >>>>> for
> > >>>>>> each
> > >>>>>>>> projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move everything
> > >> into
> > >>>>>> Apache
> > >>>>>>>> group except for the repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io
> > >> to
> > >>>>>>>> dubbo.apache.org.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group
> > >> like
> > >>>>> this:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem
> > >>>>>>>> Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this group is for
> > >>>>> hosting
> > >>>>>> dubbo
> > >>>>>>>> eco-system temporaryly before the transition finishes.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I hope this can answer your concerns.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>>>> -Ian.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu <
> > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > >> redirects
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it may
> > >> be
> > >>>>>> that a
> > >>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is being
> > >> taken.
> > >>>>> The
> > >>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number of
> > >> times
> > >>>>> in
> > >>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g. [1][2] and
> > >> more
> > >>>>>>>> recently
> > >>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is happening [5].
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are
> > >> done.
> > >>>>>> Could
> > >>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1] org
> > >> to
> > >>>>> be
> > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other
> > >>>>>> way(community
> > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very important.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many
> > >>>>>> projects/developers,
> > >>>>>>>> so
> > >>>>>>>>> please consider to make sure the branding is clear before
> > >>>>> graduation.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled,
> > >> the
> > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > >>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
> > >> started on
> > >>>>>> legal
> > >>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note it
> > >> was
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>> PPMC
> > >>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> This is not a blocker, this comes from the same reason I asked
> > >>>>> about
> > >>>>>>>>> branding.
> > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many media(s), many
> > >>>>>>>>> watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub.
> > >>>>>>>>> I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF project, and the
> > >> PMC
> > >>>>> is
> > >>>>>>>> ready
> > >>>>>>>>> to find the license issue in first place.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > >>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
> > >> 上午7:19写道：
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be Apache branding,
> > >>>>> then
> > >>>>>> why
> > >>>>>>>>>>> dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially the exact
> > >> name
> > >>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>> logo.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > >> redirects
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it
> > >> may be
> > >>>>>> that a
> > >>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is being
> > >>>>> taken.
> > >>>>>> The
> > >>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number of
> > >>>>> times
> > >>>>>> in
> > >>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g. [1][2]
> > >> and
> > >>>>> more
> > >>>>>>>>> recently
> > >>>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is happening [5].
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using Apache mail
> > >>>>>> list[3].
> > >>>>>>>> But
> > >>>>>>>>>>> groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> I would guess this is just an oversight, but if someone
> > >> from the
> > >>>>>> PPMC
> > >>>>>>>> can
> > >>>>>>>>>> comment on this that would be good.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use the Dubbo
> > >> name.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> See [5].
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release Apache Dubbo
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue hasn't been
> > >>>>>> addressed
> > >>>>>>>>>> inside
> > >>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain thing(maybe),
> > >>>>> but at
> > >>>>>>>> this
> > >>>>>>>>>>> moment, it should not be included.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled,
> > >> the
> > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > >>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
> > >> started
> > >>>>> on
> > >>>>>>>> legal
> > >>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note
> > >> it was
> > >>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>> PPMC
> > >>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>>>>> Justin
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> 1.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > >>>>>>>>>> 2.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > >>>>>>>>>> 3.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > >>>>>>>>>> 4.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > >>>>>>>>>> 5.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
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> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> Best Regards！
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Huxing
> > >>>>>>
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Huxing

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project

[Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org>]

Hi,

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 4:18 PM Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Are you planning to invite the authors to the PPMC? I didn’t find any
> discussions on that using some basic searching.
>
> Yes. I think the community should discuss this.

Please see my previous thread to answer this.

>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月29日周一 上午5:33写道：
>
> > Are you planning to invite the authors to the PPMC? I didn’t find any
> > discussions on that using some basic searching.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 10:05, Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I am wrapping the latest update from Dubbo community.
> > >
> > > - The avator of dubbo[1] group has been deleted
> > > - The description of dubbo group has been rename as Eco System For Apache
> > > Dubbo
> > > - A new group called thubbo[2] has been created
> > > - All projects under dubbo group are renamed in xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > format in compliance with the policies
> > > - For the 19 projects remaining in dubbo group, the Dubbo community
> > > has contacted all the project owners, and got response from 18
> > > projects[3]. Among them,
> > >   * 14 projects will be transferred to ASF (13 of them will be
> > > transferred by May 31st, 1 project will be transferred by June 30th)
> > >   * 3 projects will be transferred outside dubbo group, with all
> > > branding issues cleared.
> > >   * 1 project (dubbo.github.io) will be deleted by May 31st. (redirect
> > > dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org via dns)
> > >   * The remaining 1 project (intellij-idea-plugin) will be transferred
> > > to thubbo group if no response is received.
> > >   * The detailed status has been summarized here[4].
> > >   * If any project failed to be transferred before ETA, it will be
> > > transferred to thubbo group instead.
> > >
> > > Given that all project has given ETA to be transferred to ASF/outside
> > > dubbo, a suggestion is given that there is no need to move the
> > > projects to thubbo group unless they are not transferred before ETA.
> > >
> > > The Dubbo community is seeking comments from the IPMC that whether
> > > this proposal is OK or not. Any feedback will be appreciated. Hope
> > > this could clear the concern from IPMC.
> > >
> > > [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > [2] https://github.com/thubbo
> > > [3]
> > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8dc772242181517e3159d583c6aa7d1fcf5ce6f321ebb9e882ab6ad@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > [4]
> > >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:46 PM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave & Others,
> > > > >
> > > > > This "3rd party" site (https://github.com/dubbo) is used for
> > building
> > > > > Dubbo's eco-system. Just as you said, It contains both the projects
> > > which
> > > > > will be donated and which may not, so the final goal for this "3rd
> > > party"
> > > > > site is pretty clear: it will contain and only contain projects won't
> > > > > donate, and if there's no project left eventually, this site does not
> > > > > necessarily exist.
> > > > >
> > > > > What we're doing now is to solve the potential branding issues, in
> > > order to
> > > > > answer the challenges from whom wearing the trademark committee hat.
> > > It is
> > > > > an ad-hoc actions since we need to solve this particular issue as
> > > quickly
> > > > > as possible. Here're what we are doing as short-term actions:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Rename dubbo group to other name. - not yet
> > > >
> > > > Or create a new group and move all the projects to it, left dubbo as
> > > > an empty group. (The purpose is just to ensure nobody is trying to
> > > > abuse it)
> > > >
> > > > > 2. Stop using Dubbo logo as group's avatar - done
> > > > > 3. Rename all project names in compliance with the policies - ongoing
> > > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > At the same time, I strongly agree with what Dave suggested for the
> > > long
> > > > > run plan. Here's what I propose (certainly this plan needs to be vote
> > > in
> > > > > dubbo's mailing list):
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. All projects will be transferred to Apache group with ETA
> > > >
> > > > I will try to discuss this with the project owners and Dubbo community
> > > > to work out a ETA.
> > > >
> > > > > 2. After that, all members in this group will be join Apache if they
> > > are
> > > > > willing to (after they go through the vote certainly)
> > > >
> > > > As long as the project is under ASF, anyone can become committer by
> > > > earning enough merit.
> > > >
> > > > > 3. After the transition is done, this particular group will be
> > deleted
> > > >
> > > > +1.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I will init the vote for the long term plan in dubbo's community
> > > today, and
> > > > > we will get back with the concrete transition plan with ETA to the
> > > board
> > > > > meeting as soon as possible. I hope we can satisfy the IPMC by doing
> > > this.
> > > > > Pls. let me know if this is sufficient. We can adjust the plan if any
> > > > > further suggestion comes up.
> > > >
> > > > I think the Dubbo community can deliver an improved version of [1] to
> > > > IPMC, by filling all the blanks and with a new column ETA.
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > -Ian.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:29 AM Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (With trademark committee hat)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Trademark resources can all be found from here:
> > > > > > Trademark resources sitemap:
> > > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
> > > > > > PMC responsibility:
> > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility
> > > > > > Improper third party uses:
> > > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#police
> > > > > > Formal policy: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don’t think that there is a formal policy to handle the situation
> > > where
> > > > > > a transitional, "3rd party” site controlled by the PMC exists that
> > > will be
> > > > > > phased out. Generally trademarks is looking for that PMC to be
> > > working with
> > > > > > and engaging 3rd parties to fix any branding issues.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think it is important to know what the goal is for the "3rd
> > party"
> > > site
> > > > > > is and when that will be achieved.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (Dubbo mentor hat)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think that rather than quickly responding by fixing various
> > issues
> > > in an
> > > > > > ad hoc manner it would be good to present the long term plan and
> > > then agree
> > > > > > on the needed language on the “3rd party site”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For example, the treatment of “product” that will be donated into
> > the
> > > > > > project codebase differs from “product” that won’t be. The “for
> > > Apache
> > > > > > Dubbo” makes no sense for product that will be moved into Dubbo.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The next board meeting is May 15th and there is time to carefully
> > > address
> > > > > > the plan to the satisfaction of the IPMC.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Dave
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> > > that
> > > > > > > such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need that
> > > > > > > information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I used to read this from incubator discussions. Zipkin and
> > > SkyWalking
> > > > > > were
> > > > > > > facing that question. Could someone help about this?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jan Piotrowski <pi...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午11:29写道：
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Semi OT:
> > > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> > > that
> > > > > > >> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need
> > that
> > > > > > >> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> -J
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu <
> > > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > > >>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, especially for
> > > these
> > > > > > >> three.
> > > > > > >>> I also used to see the traditional rename to
> > > xxx-for-apache-project
> > > > > > >>> 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > > > >>> 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py
> > > > > > >>> 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release
> > > repo(npm), the
> > > > > > >>> description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2]. Right?
> > > > > > >>> If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking used to
> > > be
> > > > > > asked
> > > > > > >>> stop in the same case.
> > > > > > >>> Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which isn't.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js
> > > > > > >>> [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > >>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:46写道：
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Hi
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
> > > other
> > > > > > >> name
> > > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > > > > > >>>> dubbo.github.io,
> > > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep
> > > website
> > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Please discuss with your community, then make the decision. I
> > > just
> > > > > > >> reply
> > > > > > >>>> the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the
> > > > > > dubbo.github.io
> > > > > > >> ,
> > > > > > >>>> if the community wants), is also a good idea.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my concern.
> > I
> > > trust
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >>>> Dubbo community could make it right.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Thanks.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > >>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道：
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Those two are good options. Please read my prev reply[1],
> > > which
> > > > > > >>>>> concerns me
> > > > > > >>>>>> more are
> > > > > > >>>>>> 1. Website codebase.
> > > > > > >>>>>> 2. GitHub org name and logo.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be disallowed,
> > > we will
> > > > > > >> do
> > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>> following things against dubbo group:
> > > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
> > > other
> > > > > > name
> > > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > > > > > >> dubbo.github.io
> > > > > > >>>>> ,
> > > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep
> > > website
> > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Let me know if your concerns will be completely addressed
> > once
> > > the
> > > > > > >> actions
> > > > > > >>>>> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our
> > > mentors and
> > > > > > >>>>> hopefully get back to you soon.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > > > > >>>>> -Ian.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <
> > > huxing@apache.org>
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Hi.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going.
> > > We
> > > > > > >> cannot
> > > > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > > > >>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make
> > sure
> > > ICLA
> > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > > > >>>>>>> projects are signed,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo, which is
> > > > > > >> decided by
> > > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>> project owner or Dubbo community.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> eventually we hope to move everything into Apache group
> > > except
> > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>> repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to
> > > dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> As you mentioned, which make me concern more. Especially
> > you
> > > say
> > > > > > >>>>>>> `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional?
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> No. The redirection has been completed.
> > > > > > >>>>>> You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io
> > > > > > >>>>>> The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME.
> > > > > > >>>>>> Other files are archive for the old website before joining
> > > ASF.
> > > > > > >>>>>> To make it better understandable, I think it is better to
> > > move them
> > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > >>>>>> other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose.
> > > > > > >>>>>> I update the description and readme, removing the word
> > > "eventually".
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section Initial
> > > > > > >> Source,
> > > > > > >>>>> "Home
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"
> > > > > > >>>>>>> If the transfer has not been finished, you should wait for
> > > that
> > > > > > >> before
> > > > > > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to dubbo.io
> > > has been
> > > > > > >>>>>> redirected to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and host
> > > all in
> > > > > > >>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If not,
> > > which
> > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > >>>>>> harder
> > > > > > >>>>>>> to understand for me.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to either
> > > Apache
> > > > > > >> or
> > > > > > >>>>>> Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF.
> > > > > > >>>>>> The Dubbo community do not have access to change the DNS
> > > record.
> > > > > > >>>>>> The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org
> > .
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> This is a block for me.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo
> > group
> > > > > > >> like
> > > > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> You changed some. But if you look clearly about the
> > > logo(GitHub
> > > > > > >> org
> > > > > > >>>>>>> avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are the
> > same,
> > > > > > >> which
> > > > > > >>>>> both
> > > > > > >>>>>> of
> > > > > > >>>>>>> them belong to ASF.
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Which makes me think the branding has not been cleared.
> > > > > > >> Especially, I
> > > > > > >>>>>> think
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so this
> > > should
> > > > > > >> be
> > > > > > >>>>> able
> > > > > > >>>>>>> to be fixed.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> I have no objection to rename the organization if this is an
> > > issue.
> > > > > > >>>>>> I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is useful
> > just
> > > for
> > > > > > >>>>>> defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it.
> > > > > > >>>>>> Another way is to create another group with something other
> > > than
> > > > > > >>>>>> dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > > > >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
> > > > > > >>>>>>> this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system temporarily
> > > before the
> > > > > > >>>>>>> transition finishes.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are going to
> > be a
> > > > > > >> TLP, the
> > > > > > >>>>>>> PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what do you
> > > want
> > > > > > >> about
> > > > > > >>>>>> your
> > > > > > >>>>>>> own repo.
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the
> > specific
> > > ones
> > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>> initial org, https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> > > > > > >>>>>>> [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
> > > > > > >>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道：
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects
> > are
> > > > > > >> done.
> > > > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
> > > org
> > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some
> > other
> > > > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> > > important.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going.
> > > We
> > > > > > >> cannot
> > > > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make
> > sure
> > > > > > >> ICLA
> > > > > > >>>>> for
> > > > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move
> > > everything
> > > > > > >> into
> > > > > > >>>>>> Apache
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> group except for the repo [1] which serves redirection
> > > dubbo.io
> > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo
> > group
> > > > > > >> like
> > > > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this group is
> > > for
> > > > > > >>>>> hosting
> > > > > > >>>>>> dubbo
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> eco-system temporaryly before the transition finishes.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> I hope this can answer your concerns.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> -Ian.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > > > > > >> redirects
> > > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it
> > > may
> > > > > > >> be
> > > > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is
> > being
> > > > > > >> taken.
> > > > > > >>>>> The
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number
> > of
> > > > > > >> times
> > > > > > >>>>> in
> > > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g. [1][2]
> > > and
> > > > > > >> more
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> recently
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is happening
> > > [5].
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects
> > are
> > > > > > >> done.
> > > > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
> > > org
> > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some
> > other
> > > > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> > > important.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many
> > > > > > >>>>>> projects/developers,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> so
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> please consider to make sure the branding is clear before
> > > > > > >>>>> graduation.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been
> > canceled,
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
> > > > > > >> started on
> > > > > > >>>>>> legal
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note
> > > it
> > > > > > >> was
> > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> This is not a blocker, this comes from the same reason I
> > > asked
> > > > > > >>>>> about
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> branding.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many media(s),
> > > many
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF project, and
> > > the
> > > > > > >> PMC
> > > > > > >>>>> is
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> ready
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> to find the license issue in first place.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
> > > > > > >> 上午7:19写道：
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be Apache
> > > branding,
> > > > > > >>>>> then
> > > > > > >>>>>> why
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially the exact
> > > > > > >> name
> > > > > > >>>>> and
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> logo.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > > > > > >> redirects
> > > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects
> > it
> > > > > > >> may be
> > > > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is
> > being
> > > > > > >>>>> taken.
> > > > > > >>>>>> The
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number
> > > of
> > > > > > >>>>> times
> > > > > > >>>>>> in
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g.
> > [1][2]
> > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > >>>>> more
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> recently
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is happening
> > > [5].
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using Apache
> > mail
> > > > > > >>>>>> list[3].
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> But
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I would guess this is just an oversight, but if someone
> > > > > > >> from the
> > > > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> can
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> comment on this that would be good.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use the Dubbo
> > > > > > >> name.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> See [5].
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release Apache
> > > Dubbo
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue hasn't
> > been
> > > > > > >>>>>> addressed
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> inside
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain
> > > thing(maybe),
> > > > > > >>>>> but at
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> this
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> moment, it should not be included.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been
> > canceled,
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
> > > > > > >> started
> > > > > > >>>>> on
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> legal
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also
> > note
> > > > > > >> it was
> > > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Justin
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 1.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 3.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 4.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 5.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>
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> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> --
> > > > > > >>>>>> Best Regards！
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
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> > > > > > >>>>>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project

[Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>]

> Are you planning to invite the authors to the PPMC? I didn’t find any
discussions on that using some basic searching.

Yes. I think the community should discuss this.

Sheng Wu 吴晟

Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108


Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月29日周一 上午5:33写道：

> Are you planning to invite the authors to the PPMC? I didn’t find any
> discussions on that using some basic searching.
>
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 10:05, Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am wrapping the latest update from Dubbo community.
> >
> > - The avator of dubbo[1] group has been deleted
> > - The description of dubbo group has been rename as Eco System For Apache
> > Dubbo
> > - A new group called thubbo[2] has been created
> > - All projects under dubbo group are renamed in xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > format in compliance with the policies
> > - For the 19 projects remaining in dubbo group, the Dubbo community
> > has contacted all the project owners, and got response from 18
> > projects[3]. Among them,
> >   * 14 projects will be transferred to ASF (13 of them will be
> > transferred by May 31st, 1 project will be transferred by June 30th)
> >   * 3 projects will be transferred outside dubbo group, with all
> > branding issues cleared.
> >   * 1 project (dubbo.github.io) will be deleted by May 31st. (redirect
> > dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org via dns)
> >   * The remaining 1 project (intellij-idea-plugin) will be transferred
> > to thubbo group if no response is received.
> >   * The detailed status has been summarized here[4].
> >   * If any project failed to be transferred before ETA, it will be
> > transferred to thubbo group instead.
> >
> > Given that all project has given ETA to be transferred to ASF/outside
> > dubbo, a suggestion is given that there is no need to move the
> > projects to thubbo group unless they are not transferred before ETA.
> >
> > The Dubbo community is seeking comments from the IPMC that whether
> > this proposal is OK or not. Any feedback will be appreciated. Hope
> > this could clear the concern from IPMC.
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > [2] https://github.com/thubbo
> > [3]
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8dc772242181517e3159d583c6aa7d1fcf5ce6f321ebb9e882ab6ad@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > [4]
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:46 PM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dave & Others,
> > > >
> > > > This "3rd party" site (https://github.com/dubbo) is used for
> building
> > > > Dubbo's eco-system. Just as you said, It contains both the projects
> > which
> > > > will be donated and which may not, so the final goal for this "3rd
> > party"
> > > > site is pretty clear: it will contain and only contain projects won't
> > > > donate, and if there's no project left eventually, this site does not
> > > > necessarily exist.
> > > >
> > > > What we're doing now is to solve the potential branding issues, in
> > order to
> > > > answer the challenges from whom wearing the trademark committee hat.
> > It is
> > > > an ad-hoc actions since we need to solve this particular issue as
> > quickly
> > > > as possible. Here're what we are doing as short-term actions:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Rename dubbo group to other name. - not yet
> > >
> > > Or create a new group and move all the projects to it, left dubbo as
> > > an empty group. (The purpose is just to ensure nobody is trying to
> > > abuse it)
> > >
> > > > 2. Stop using Dubbo logo as group's avatar - done
> > > > 3. Rename all project names in compliance with the policies - ongoing
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At the same time, I strongly agree with what Dave suggested for the
> > long
> > > > run plan. Here's what I propose (certainly this plan needs to be vote
> > in
> > > > dubbo's mailing list):
> > > >
> > > > 1. All projects will be transferred to Apache group with ETA
> > >
> > > I will try to discuss this with the project owners and Dubbo community
> > > to work out a ETA.
> > >
> > > > 2. After that, all members in this group will be join Apache if they
> > are
> > > > willing to (after they go through the vote certainly)
> > >
> > > As long as the project is under ASF, anyone can become committer by
> > > earning enough merit.
> > >
> > > > 3. After the transition is done, this particular group will be
> deleted
> > >
> > > +1.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I will init the vote for the long term plan in dubbo's community
> > today, and
> > > > we will get back with the concrete transition plan with ETA to the
> > board
> > > > meeting as soon as possible. I hope we can satisfy the IPMC by doing
> > this.
> > > > Pls. let me know if this is sufficient. We can adjust the plan if any
> > > > further suggestion comes up.
> > >
> > > I think the Dubbo community can deliver an improved version of [1] to
> > > IPMC, by filling all the blanks and with a new column ETA.
> > >
> > > [1]
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > -Ian.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:29 AM Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi -
> > > > >
> > > > > (With trademark committee hat)
> > > > >
> > > > > Trademark resources can all be found from here:
> > > > > Trademark resources sitemap:
> > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
> > > > > PMC responsibility:
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility
> > > > > Improper third party uses:
> > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#police
> > > > > Formal policy: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
> > > > >
> > > > > I don’t think that there is a formal policy to handle the situation
> > where
> > > > > a transitional, "3rd party” site controlled by the PMC exists that
> > will be
> > > > > phased out. Generally trademarks is looking for that PMC to be
> > working with
> > > > > and engaging 3rd parties to fix any branding issues.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it is important to know what the goal is for the "3rd
> party"
> > site
> > > > > is and when that will be achieved.
> > > > >
> > > > > (Dubbo mentor hat)
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that rather than quickly responding by fixing various
> issues
> > in an
> > > > > ad hoc manner it would be good to present the long term plan and
> > then agree
> > > > > on the needed language on the “3rd party site”
> > > > >
> > > > > For example, the treatment of “product” that will be donated into
> the
> > > > > project codebase differs from “product” that won’t be. The “for
> > Apache
> > > > > Dubbo” makes no sense for product that will be moved into Dubbo.
> > > > >
> > > > > The next board meeting is May 15th and there is time to carefully
> > address
> > > > > the plan to the satisfaction of the IPMC.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> > that
> > > > > > such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need that
> > > > > > information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I used to read this from incubator discussions. Zipkin and
> > SkyWalking
> > > > > were
> > > > > > facing that question. Could someone help about this?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jan Piotrowski <pi...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午11:29写道：
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Semi OT:
> > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> > that
> > > > > >> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need
> that
> > > > > >> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -J
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu <
> > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > >>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, especially for
> > these
> > > > > >> three.
> > > > > >>> I also used to see the traditional rename to
> > xxx-for-apache-project
> > > > > >>> 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > > >>> 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py
> > > > > >>> 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release
> > repo(npm), the
> > > > > >>> description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2]. Right?
> > > > > >>> If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking used to
> > be
> > > > > asked
> > > > > >>> stop in the same case.
> > > > > >>> Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which isn't.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js
> > > > > >>> [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > >>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:46写道：
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Hi
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
> > other
> > > > > >> name
> > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > > > > >>>> dubbo.github.io,
> > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep
> > website
> > > > > >> in
> > > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Please discuss with your community, then make the decision. I
> > just
> > > > > >> reply
> > > > > >>>> the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the
> > > > > dubbo.github.io
> > > > > >> ,
> > > > > >>>> if the community wants), is also a good idea.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my concern.
> I
> > trust
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >>>> Dubbo community could make it right.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Thanks.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > >>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道：
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Those two are good options. Please read my prev reply[1],
> > which
> > > > > >>>>> concerns me
> > > > > >>>>>> more are
> > > > > >>>>>> 1. Website codebase.
> > > > > >>>>>> 2. GitHub org name and logo.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be disallowed,
> > we will
> > > > > >> do
> > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>> following things against dubbo group:
> > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
> > other
> > > > > name
> > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > > > > >> dubbo.github.io
> > > > > >>>>> ,
> > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep
> > website
> > > > > >> in
> > > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Let me know if your concerns will be completely addressed
> once
> > the
> > > > > >> actions
> > > > > >>>>> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our
> > mentors and
> > > > > >>>>> hopefully get back to you soon.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > > > >>>>> -Ian.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <
> > huxing@apache.org>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Hi.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going.
> > We
> > > > > >> cannot
> > > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > > >>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make
> sure
> > ICLA
> > > > > >> for
> > > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > > >>>>>>> projects are signed,
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo, which is
> > > > > >> decided by
> > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>> project owner or Dubbo community.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> eventually we hope to move everything into Apache group
> > except
> > > > > >> for
> > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>> repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to
> > dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> As you mentioned, which make me concern more. Especially
> you
> > say
> > > > > >>>>>>> `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional?
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> No. The redirection has been completed.
> > > > > >>>>>> You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io
> > > > > >>>>>> The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME.
> > > > > >>>>>> Other files are archive for the old website before joining
> > ASF.
> > > > > >>>>>> To make it better understandable, I think it is better to
> > move them
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >>>>>> other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose.
> > > > > >>>>>> I update the description and readme, removing the word
> > "eventually".
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section Initial
> > > > > >> Source,
> > > > > >>>>> "Home
> > > > > >>>>>>> Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"
> > > > > >>>>>>> If the transfer has not been finished, you should wait for
> > that
> > > > > >> before
> > > > > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to dubbo.io
> > has been
> > > > > >>>>>> redirected to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and host
> > all in
> > > > > >>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If not,
> > which
> > > > > >> is
> > > > > >>>>>> harder
> > > > > >>>>>>> to understand for me.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to either
> > Apache
> > > > > >> or
> > > > > >>>>>> Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF.
> > > > > >>>>>> The Dubbo community do not have access to change the DNS
> > record.
> > > > > >>>>>> The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org
> .
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> This is a block for me.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo
> group
> > > > > >> like
> > > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> You changed some. But if you look clearly about the
> > logo(GitHub
> > > > > >> org
> > > > > >>>>>>> avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are the
> same,
> > > > > >> which
> > > > > >>>>> both
> > > > > >>>>>> of
> > > > > >>>>>>> them belong to ASF.
> > > > > >>>>>>> Which makes me think the branding has not been cleared.
> > > > > >> Especially, I
> > > > > >>>>>> think
> > > > > >>>>>>> Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so this
> > should
> > > > > >> be
> > > > > >>>>> able
> > > > > >>>>>>> to be fixed.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> I have no objection to rename the organization if this is an
> > issue.
> > > > > >>>>>> I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is useful
> just
> > for
> > > > > >>>>>> defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it.
> > > > > >>>>>> Another way is to create another group with something other
> > than
> > > > > >>>>>> dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > > >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
> > > > > >>>>>>> this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system temporarily
> > before the
> > > > > >>>>>>> transition finishes.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are going to
> be a
> > > > > >> TLP, the
> > > > > >>>>>>> PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what do you
> > want
> > > > > >> about
> > > > > >>>>>> your
> > > > > >>>>>>> own repo.
> > > > > >>>>>>> Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the
> specific
> > ones
> > > > > >> in
> > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>> initial org, https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> > > > > >>>>>>> [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
> > > > > >>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > >>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道：
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects
> are
> > > > > >> done.
> > > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
> > org
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some
> other
> > > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> > important.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going.
> > We
> > > > > >> cannot
> > > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > > >>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make
> sure
> > > > > >> ICLA
> > > > > >>>>> for
> > > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > > >>>>>>>> projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move
> > everything
> > > > > >> into
> > > > > >>>>>> Apache
> > > > > >>>>>>>> group except for the repo [1] which serves redirection
> > dubbo.io
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >>>>>>>> dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo
> group
> > > > > >> like
> > > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this group is
> > for
> > > > > >>>>> hosting
> > > > > >>>>>> dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>>>> eco-system temporaryly before the transition finishes.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> I hope this can answer your concerns.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> -Ian.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > > > > >> redirects
> > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it
> > may
> > > > > >> be
> > > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is
> being
> > > > > >> taken.
> > > > > >>>>> The
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number
> of
> > > > > >> times
> > > > > >>>>> in
> > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g. [1][2]
> > and
> > > > > >> more
> > > > > >>>>>>>> recently
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is happening
> > [5].
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects
> are
> > > > > >> done.
> > > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
> > org
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some
> other
> > > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> > important.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many
> > > > > >>>>>> projects/developers,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> so
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> please consider to make sure the branding is clear before
> > > > > >>>>> graduation.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been
> canceled,
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
> > > > > >> started on
> > > > > >>>>>> legal
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note
> > it
> > > > > >> was
> > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> This is not a blocker, this comes from the same reason I
> > asked
> > > > > >>>>> about
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> branding.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many media(s),
> > many
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF project, and
> > the
> > > > > >> PMC
> > > > > >>>>> is
> > > > > >>>>>>>> ready
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> to find the license issue in first place.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
> > > > > >> 上午7:19写道：
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be Apache
> > branding,
> > > > > >>>>> then
> > > > > >>>>>> why
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially the exact
> > > > > >> name
> > > > > >>>>> and
> > > > > >>>>>>>> logo.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > > > > >> redirects
> > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects
> it
> > > > > >> may be
> > > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is
> being
> > > > > >>>>> taken.
> > > > > >>>>>> The
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number
> > of
> > > > > >>>>> times
> > > > > >>>>>> in
> > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g.
> [1][2]
> > > > > >> and
> > > > > >>>>> more
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> recently
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is happening
> > [5].
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using Apache
> mail
> > > > > >>>>>> list[3].
> > > > > >>>>>>>> But
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I would guess this is just an oversight, but if someone
> > > > > >> from the
> > > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > >>>>>>>> can
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> comment on this that would be good.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use the Dubbo
> > > > > >> name.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> See [5].
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release Apache
> > Dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue hasn't
> been
> > > > > >>>>>> addressed
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> inside
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain
> > thing(maybe),
> > > > > >>>>> but at
> > > > > >>>>>>>> this
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> moment, it should not be included.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been
> canceled,
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
> > > > > >> started
> > > > > >>>>> on
> > > > > >>>>>>>> legal
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also
> note
> > > > > >> it was
> > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Justin
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 1.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 3.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 4.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 5.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>
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> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> --
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> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
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>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project

[Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org>]

Hi,

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 5:33 AM Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Are you planning to invite the authors to the PPMC? I didn’t find any
> discussions on that using some basic searching.

No. How to give the right permission to the authors of the projects
has been discussed here[1].
I have quoted below:

2. Gain write access to your project after transfer

If your project has been transferred to ASF, you will lose write
access temporally. The Dubbo community will vote you in as committer
by following standard ASF way. This means you have to contribute to
the project for some time in order to earn enough merit.

[1] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8dc772242181517e3159d583c6aa7d1fcf5ce6f321ebb9e882ab6ad@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E

>
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 10:05, Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am wrapping the latest update from Dubbo community.
> >
> > - The avator of dubbo[1] group has been deleted
> > - The description of dubbo group has been rename as Eco System For Apache
> > Dubbo
> > - A new group called thubbo[2] has been created
> > - All projects under dubbo group are renamed in xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > format in compliance with the policies
> > - For the 19 projects remaining in dubbo group, the Dubbo community
> > has contacted all the project owners, and got response from 18
> > projects[3]. Among them,
> >   * 14 projects will be transferred to ASF (13 of them will be
> > transferred by May 31st, 1 project will be transferred by June 30th)
> >   * 3 projects will be transferred outside dubbo group, with all
> > branding issues cleared.
> >   * 1 project (dubbo.github.io) will be deleted by May 31st. (redirect
> > dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org via dns)
> >   * The remaining 1 project (intellij-idea-plugin) will be transferred
> > to thubbo group if no response is received.
> >   * The detailed status has been summarized here[4].
> >   * If any project failed to be transferred before ETA, it will be
> > transferred to thubbo group instead.
> >
> > Given that all project has given ETA to be transferred to ASF/outside
> > dubbo, a suggestion is given that there is no need to move the
> > projects to thubbo group unless they are not transferred before ETA.
> >
> > The Dubbo community is seeking comments from the IPMC that whether
> > this proposal is OK or not. Any feedback will be appreciated. Hope
> > this could clear the concern from IPMC.
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > [2] https://github.com/thubbo
> > [3]
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8dc772242181517e3159d583c6aa7d1fcf5ce6f321ebb9e882ab6ad@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > [4]
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:46 PM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dave & Others,
> > > >
> > > > This "3rd party" site (https://github.com/dubbo) is used for building
> > > > Dubbo's eco-system. Just as you said, It contains both the projects
> > which
> > > > will be donated and which may not, so the final goal for this "3rd
> > party"
> > > > site is pretty clear: it will contain and only contain projects won't
> > > > donate, and if there's no project left eventually, this site does not
> > > > necessarily exist.
> > > >
> > > > What we're doing now is to solve the potential branding issues, in
> > order to
> > > > answer the challenges from whom wearing the trademark committee hat.
> > It is
> > > > an ad-hoc actions since we need to solve this particular issue as
> > quickly
> > > > as possible. Here're what we are doing as short-term actions:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Rename dubbo group to other name. - not yet
> > >
> > > Or create a new group and move all the projects to it, left dubbo as
> > > an empty group. (The purpose is just to ensure nobody is trying to
> > > abuse it)
> > >
> > > > 2. Stop using Dubbo logo as group's avatar - done
> > > > 3. Rename all project names in compliance with the policies - ongoing
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At the same time, I strongly agree with what Dave suggested for the
> > long
> > > > run plan. Here's what I propose (certainly this plan needs to be vote
> > in
> > > > dubbo's mailing list):
> > > >
> > > > 1. All projects will be transferred to Apache group with ETA
> > >
> > > I will try to discuss this with the project owners and Dubbo community
> > > to work out a ETA.
> > >
> > > > 2. After that, all members in this group will be join Apache if they
> > are
> > > > willing to (after they go through the vote certainly)
> > >
> > > As long as the project is under ASF, anyone can become committer by
> > > earning enough merit.
> > >
> > > > 3. After the transition is done, this particular group will be deleted
> > >
> > > +1.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I will init the vote for the long term plan in dubbo's community
> > today, and
> > > > we will get back with the concrete transition plan with ETA to the
> > board
> > > > meeting as soon as possible. I hope we can satisfy the IPMC by doing
> > this.
> > > > Pls. let me know if this is sufficient. We can adjust the plan if any
> > > > further suggestion comes up.
> > >
> > > I think the Dubbo community can deliver an improved version of [1] to
> > > IPMC, by filling all the blanks and with a new column ETA.
> > >
> > > [1]
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > -Ian.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:29 AM Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi -
> > > > >
> > > > > (With trademark committee hat)
> > > > >
> > > > > Trademark resources can all be found from here:
> > > > > Trademark resources sitemap:
> > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
> > > > > PMC responsibility:
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility
> > > > > Improper third party uses:
> > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#police
> > > > > Formal policy: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
> > > > >
> > > > > I don’t think that there is a formal policy to handle the situation
> > where
> > > > > a transitional, "3rd party” site controlled by the PMC exists that
> > will be
> > > > > phased out. Generally trademarks is looking for that PMC to be
> > working with
> > > > > and engaging 3rd parties to fix any branding issues.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it is important to know what the goal is for the "3rd party"
> > site
> > > > > is and when that will be achieved.
> > > > >
> > > > > (Dubbo mentor hat)
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that rather than quickly responding by fixing various issues
> > in an
> > > > > ad hoc manner it would be good to present the long term plan and
> > then agree
> > > > > on the needed language on the “3rd party site”
> > > > >
> > > > > For example, the treatment of “product” that will be donated into the
> > > > > project codebase differs from “product” that won’t be. The “for
> > Apache
> > > > > Dubbo” makes no sense for product that will be moved into Dubbo.
> > > > >
> > > > > The next board meeting is May 15th and there is time to carefully
> > address
> > > > > the plan to the satisfaction of the IPMC.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> > that
> > > > > > such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need that
> > > > > > information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I used to read this from incubator discussions. Zipkin and
> > SkyWalking
> > > > > were
> > > > > > facing that question. Could someone help about this?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jan Piotrowski <pi...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午11:29写道：
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Semi OT:
> > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> > that
> > > > > >> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need that
> > > > > >> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -J
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu <
> > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > >>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, especially for
> > these
> > > > > >> three.
> > > > > >>> I also used to see the traditional rename to
> > xxx-for-apache-project
> > > > > >>> 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > > >>> 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py
> > > > > >>> 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release
> > repo(npm), the
> > > > > >>> description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2]. Right?
> > > > > >>> If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking used to
> > be
> > > > > asked
> > > > > >>> stop in the same case.
> > > > > >>> Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which isn't.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js
> > > > > >>> [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > >>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:46写道：
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Hi
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
> > other
> > > > > >> name
> > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > > > > >>>> dubbo.github.io,
> > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep
> > website
> > > > > >> in
> > > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Please discuss with your community, then make the decision. I
> > just
> > > > > >> reply
> > > > > >>>> the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the
> > > > > dubbo.github.io
> > > > > >> ,
> > > > > >>>> if the community wants), is also a good idea.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my concern. I
> > trust
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >>>> Dubbo community could make it right.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Thanks.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > >>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道：
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Those two are good options. Please read my prev reply[1],
> > which
> > > > > >>>>> concerns me
> > > > > >>>>>> more are
> > > > > >>>>>> 1. Website codebase.
> > > > > >>>>>> 2. GitHub org name and logo.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be disallowed,
> > we will
> > > > > >> do
> > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>> following things against dubbo group:
> > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
> > other
> > > > > name
> > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > > > > >> dubbo.github.io
> > > > > >>>>> ,
> > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep
> > website
> > > > > >> in
> > > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Let me know if your concerns will be completely addressed once
> > the
> > > > > >> actions
> > > > > >>>>> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our
> > mentors and
> > > > > >>>>> hopefully get back to you soon.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > > > >>>>> -Ian.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <
> > huxing@apache.org>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Hi.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going.
> > We
> > > > > >> cannot
> > > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > > >>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make sure
> > ICLA
> > > > > >> for
> > > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > > >>>>>>> projects are signed,
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo, which is
> > > > > >> decided by
> > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>> project owner or Dubbo community.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> eventually we hope to move everything into Apache group
> > except
> > > > > >> for
> > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>> repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to
> > dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> As you mentioned, which make me concern more. Especially you
> > say
> > > > > >>>>>>> `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional?
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> No. The redirection has been completed.
> > > > > >>>>>> You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io
> > > > > >>>>>> The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME.
> > > > > >>>>>> Other files are archive for the old website before joining
> > ASF.
> > > > > >>>>>> To make it better understandable, I think it is better to
> > move them
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >>>>>> other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose.
> > > > > >>>>>> I update the description and readme, removing the word
> > "eventually".
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section Initial
> > > > > >> Source,
> > > > > >>>>> "Home
> > > > > >>>>>>> Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"
> > > > > >>>>>>> If the transfer has not been finished, you should wait for
> > that
> > > > > >> before
> > > > > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to dubbo.io
> > has been
> > > > > >>>>>> redirected to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and host
> > all in
> > > > > >>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If not,
> > which
> > > > > >> is
> > > > > >>>>>> harder
> > > > > >>>>>>> to understand for me.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to either
> > Apache
> > > > > >> or
> > > > > >>>>>> Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF.
> > > > > >>>>>> The Dubbo community do not have access to change the DNS
> > record.
> > > > > >>>>>> The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> This is a block for me.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group
> > > > > >> like
> > > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> You changed some. But if you look clearly about the
> > logo(GitHub
> > > > > >> org
> > > > > >>>>>>> avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are the same,
> > > > > >> which
> > > > > >>>>> both
> > > > > >>>>>> of
> > > > > >>>>>>> them belong to ASF.
> > > > > >>>>>>> Which makes me think the branding has not been cleared.
> > > > > >> Especially, I
> > > > > >>>>>> think
> > > > > >>>>>>> Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so this
> > should
> > > > > >> be
> > > > > >>>>> able
> > > > > >>>>>>> to be fixed.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> I have no objection to rename the organization if this is an
> > issue.
> > > > > >>>>>> I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is useful just
> > for
> > > > > >>>>>> defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it.
> > > > > >>>>>> Another way is to create another group with something other
> > than
> > > > > >>>>>> dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > > >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
> > > > > >>>>>>> this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system temporarily
> > before the
> > > > > >>>>>>> transition finishes.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are going to be a
> > > > > >> TLP, the
> > > > > >>>>>>> PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what do you
> > want
> > > > > >> about
> > > > > >>>>>> your
> > > > > >>>>>>> own repo.
> > > > > >>>>>>> Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the specific
> > ones
> > > > > >> in
> > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>> initial org, https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> > > > > >>>>>>> [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
> > > > > >>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > >>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道：
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are
> > > > > >> done.
> > > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
> > org
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other
> > > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> > important.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going.
> > We
> > > > > >> cannot
> > > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > > >>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make sure
> > > > > >> ICLA
> > > > > >>>>> for
> > > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > > >>>>>>>> projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move
> > everything
> > > > > >> into
> > > > > >>>>>> Apache
> > > > > >>>>>>>> group except for the repo [1] which serves redirection
> > dubbo.io
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >>>>>>>> dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group
> > > > > >> like
> > > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this group is
> > for
> > > > > >>>>> hosting
> > > > > >>>>>> dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>>>> eco-system temporaryly before the transition finishes.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> I hope this can answer your concerns.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> -Ian.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > > > > >> redirects
> > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it
> > may
> > > > > >> be
> > > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is being
> > > > > >> taken.
> > > > > >>>>> The
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number of
> > > > > >> times
> > > > > >>>>> in
> > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g. [1][2]
> > and
> > > > > >> more
> > > > > >>>>>>>> recently
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is happening
> > [5].
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are
> > > > > >> done.
> > > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
> > org
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other
> > > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> > important.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many
> > > > > >>>>>> projects/developers,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> so
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> please consider to make sure the branding is clear before
> > > > > >>>>> graduation.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled,
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
> > > > > >> started on
> > > > > >>>>>> legal
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note
> > it
> > > > > >> was
> > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> This is not a blocker, this comes from the same reason I
> > asked
> > > > > >>>>> about
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> branding.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many media(s),
> > many
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF project, and
> > the
> > > > > >> PMC
> > > > > >>>>> is
> > > > > >>>>>>>> ready
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> to find the license issue in first place.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
> > > > > >> 上午7:19写道：
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be Apache
> > branding,
> > > > > >>>>> then
> > > > > >>>>>> why
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially the exact
> > > > > >> name
> > > > > >>>>> and
> > > > > >>>>>>>> logo.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > > > > >> redirects
> > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it
> > > > > >> may be
> > > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is being
> > > > > >>>>> taken.
> > > > > >>>>>> The
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number
> > of
> > > > > >>>>> times
> > > > > >>>>>> in
> > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g. [1][2]
> > > > > >> and
> > > > > >>>>> more
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> recently
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is happening
> > [5].
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using Apache mail
> > > > > >>>>>> list[3].
> > > > > >>>>>>>> But
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I would guess this is just an oversight, but if someone
> > > > > >> from the
> > > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > >>>>>>>> can
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> comment on this that would be good.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use the Dubbo
> > > > > >> name.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> See [5].
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release Apache
> > Dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue hasn't been
> > > > > >>>>>> addressed
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> inside
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain
> > thing(maybe),
> > > > > >>>>> but at
> > > > > >>>>>>>> this
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> moment, it should not be included.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled,
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
> > > > > >> started
> > > > > >>>>> on
> > > > > >>>>>>>> legal
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note
> > > > > >> it was
> > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Justin
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 1.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 3.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 4.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 5.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
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> > > > > >>>>>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project

[Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>]

Are you planning to invite the authors to the PPMC? I didn’t find any
discussions on that using some basic searching.

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 10:05, Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am wrapping the latest update from Dubbo community.
>
> - The avator of dubbo[1] group has been deleted
> - The description of dubbo group has been rename as Eco System For Apache
> Dubbo
> - A new group called thubbo[2] has been created
> - All projects under dubbo group are renamed in xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> format in compliance with the policies
> - For the 19 projects remaining in dubbo group, the Dubbo community
> has contacted all the project owners, and got response from 18
> projects[3]. Among them,
>   * 14 projects will be transferred to ASF (13 of them will be
> transferred by May 31st, 1 project will be transferred by June 30th)
>   * 3 projects will be transferred outside dubbo group, with all
> branding issues cleared.
>   * 1 project (dubbo.github.io) will be deleted by May 31st. (redirect
> dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org via dns)
>   * The remaining 1 project (intellij-idea-plugin) will be transferred
> to thubbo group if no response is received.
>   * The detailed status has been summarized here[4].
>   * If any project failed to be transferred before ETA, it will be
> transferred to thubbo group instead.
>
> Given that all project has given ETA to be transferred to ASF/outside
> dubbo, a suggestion is given that there is no need to move the
> projects to thubbo group unless they are not transferred before ETA.
>
> The Dubbo community is seeking comments from the IPMC that whether
> this proposal is OK or not. Any feedback will be appreciated. Hope
> this could clear the concern from IPMC.
>
> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> [2] https://github.com/thubbo
> [3]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8dc772242181517e3159d583c6aa7d1fcf5ce6f321ebb9e882ab6ad@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> [4]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:46 PM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dave & Others,
> > >
> > > This "3rd party" site (https://github.com/dubbo) is used for building
> > > Dubbo's eco-system. Just as you said, It contains both the projects
> which
> > > will be donated and which may not, so the final goal for this "3rd
> party"
> > > site is pretty clear: it will contain and only contain projects won't
> > > donate, and if there's no project left eventually, this site does not
> > > necessarily exist.
> > >
> > > What we're doing now is to solve the potential branding issues, in
> order to
> > > answer the challenges from whom wearing the trademark committee hat.
> It is
> > > an ad-hoc actions since we need to solve this particular issue as
> quickly
> > > as possible. Here're what we are doing as short-term actions:
> > >
> > > 1. Rename dubbo group to other name. - not yet
> >
> > Or create a new group and move all the projects to it, left dubbo as
> > an empty group. (The purpose is just to ensure nobody is trying to
> > abuse it)
> >
> > > 2. Stop using Dubbo logo as group's avatar - done
> > > 3. Rename all project names in compliance with the policies - ongoing
> >
> > +1
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > At the same time, I strongly agree with what Dave suggested for the
> long
> > > run plan. Here's what I propose (certainly this plan needs to be vote
> in
> > > dubbo's mailing list):
> > >
> > > 1. All projects will be transferred to Apache group with ETA
> >
> > I will try to discuss this with the project owners and Dubbo community
> > to work out a ETA.
> >
> > > 2. After that, all members in this group will be join Apache if they
> are
> > > willing to (after they go through the vote certainly)
> >
> > As long as the project is under ASF, anyone can become committer by
> > earning enough merit.
> >
> > > 3. After the transition is done, this particular group will be deleted
> >
> > +1.
> >
> > >
> > > I will init the vote for the long term plan in dubbo's community
> today, and
> > > we will get back with the concrete transition plan with ETA to the
> board
> > > meeting as soon as possible. I hope we can satisfy the IPMC by doing
> this.
> > > Pls. let me know if this is sufficient. We can adjust the plan if any
> > > further suggestion comes up.
> >
> > I think the Dubbo community can deliver an improved version of [1] to
> > IPMC, by filling all the blanks and with a new column ETA.
> >
> > [1]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > -Ian.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:29 AM Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi -
> > > >
> > > > (With trademark committee hat)
> > > >
> > > > Trademark resources can all be found from here:
> > > > Trademark resources sitemap:
> > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
> > > > PMC responsibility:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility
> > > > Improper third party uses:
> > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#police
> > > > Formal policy: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
> > > >
> > > > I don’t think that there is a formal policy to handle the situation
> where
> > > > a transitional, "3rd party” site controlled by the PMC exists that
> will be
> > > > phased out. Generally trademarks is looking for that PMC to be
> working with
> > > > and engaging 3rd parties to fix any branding issues.
> > > >
> > > > I think it is important to know what the goal is for the "3rd party"
> site
> > > > is and when that will be achieved.
> > > >
> > > > (Dubbo mentor hat)
> > > >
> > > > I think that rather than quickly responding by fixing various issues
> in an
> > > > ad hoc manner it would be good to present the long term plan and
> then agree
> > > > on the needed language on the “3rd party site”
> > > >
> > > > For example, the treatment of “product” that will be donated into the
> > > > project codebase differs from “product” that won’t be. The “for
> Apache
> > > > Dubbo” makes no sense for product that will be moved into Dubbo.
> > > >
> > > > The next board meeting is May 15th and there is time to carefully
> address
> > > > the plan to the satisfaction of the IPMC.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > > On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> that
> > > > > such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need that
> > > > > information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > I used to read this from incubator discussions. Zipkin and
> SkyWalking
> > > > were
> > > > > facing that question. Could someone help about this?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > >
> > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jan Piotrowski <pi...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午11:29写道：
> > > > >
> > > > >> Semi OT:
> > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> that
> > > > >> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need that
> > > > >> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -J
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu <
> > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > >>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, especially for
> these
> > > > >> three.
> > > > >>> I also used to see the traditional rename to
> xxx-for-apache-project
> > > > >>> 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > >>> 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py
> > > > >>> 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release
> repo(npm), the
> > > > >>> description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2]. Right?
> > > > >>> If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking used to
> be
> > > > asked
> > > > >>> stop in the same case.
> > > > >>> Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which isn't.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js
> > > > >>> [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > >>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:46写道：
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Hi
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
> other
> > > > >> name
> > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > > > >>>> dubbo.github.io,
> > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep
> website
> > > > >> in
> > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Please discuss with your community, then make the decision. I
> just
> > > > >> reply
> > > > >>>> the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the
> > > > dubbo.github.io
> > > > >> ,
> > > > >>>> if the community wants), is also a good idea.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my concern. I
> trust
> > > > >> the
> > > > >>>> Dubbo community could make it right.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Thanks.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > >>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道：
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Those two are good options. Please read my prev reply[1],
> which
> > > > >>>>> concerns me
> > > > >>>>>> more are
> > > > >>>>>> 1. Website codebase.
> > > > >>>>>> 2. GitHub org name and logo.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be disallowed,
> we will
> > > > >> do
> > > > >>>>> the
> > > > >>>>> following things against dubbo group:
> > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
> other
> > > > name
> > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > > > >> dubbo.github.io
> > > > >>>>> ,
> > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep
> website
> > > > >> in
> > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Let me know if your concerns will be completely addressed once
> the
> > > > >> actions
> > > > >>>>> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our
> mentors and
> > > > >>>>> hopefully get back to you soon.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > > >>>>> -Ian.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <
> huxing@apache.org>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Hi,
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Hi.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going.
> We
> > > > >> cannot
> > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > >>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make sure
> ICLA
> > > > >> for
> > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > >>>>>>> projects are signed,
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo, which is
> > > > >> decided by
> > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>> project owner or Dubbo community.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> eventually we hope to move everything into Apache group
> except
> > > > >> for
> > > > >>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>> repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to
> dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> As you mentioned, which make me concern more. Especially you
> say
> > > > >>>>>>> `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional?
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> No. The redirection has been completed.
> > > > >>>>>> You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io
> > > > >>>>>> The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME.
> > > > >>>>>> Other files are archive for the old website before joining
> ASF.
> > > > >>>>>> To make it better understandable, I think it is better to
> move them
> > > > >> to
> > > > >>>>>> other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose.
> > > > >>>>>> I update the description and readme, removing the word
> "eventually".
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section Initial
> > > > >> Source,
> > > > >>>>> "Home
> > > > >>>>>>> Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"
> > > > >>>>>>> If the transfer has not been finished, you should wait for
> that
> > > > >> before
> > > > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to dubbo.io
> has been
> > > > >>>>>> redirected to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and host
> all in
> > > > >>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If not,
> which
> > > > >> is
> > > > >>>>>> harder
> > > > >>>>>>> to understand for me.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to either
> Apache
> > > > >> or
> > > > >>>>>> Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF.
> > > > >>>>>> The Dubbo community do not have access to change the DNS
> record.
> > > > >>>>>> The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> This is a block for me.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group
> > > > >> like
> > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> You changed some. But if you look clearly about the
> logo(GitHub
> > > > >> org
> > > > >>>>>>> avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are the same,
> > > > >> which
> > > > >>>>> both
> > > > >>>>>> of
> > > > >>>>>>> them belong to ASF.
> > > > >>>>>>> Which makes me think the branding has not been cleared.
> > > > >> Especially, I
> > > > >>>>>> think
> > > > >>>>>>> Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so this
> should
> > > > >> be
> > > > >>>>> able
> > > > >>>>>>> to be fixed.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> I have no objection to rename the organization if this is an
> issue.
> > > > >>>>>> I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is useful just
> for
> > > > >>>>>> defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it.
> > > > >>>>>> Another way is to create another group with something other
> than
> > > > >>>>>> dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
> > > > >>>>>>> this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system temporarily
> before the
> > > > >>>>>>> transition finishes.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are going to be a
> > > > >> TLP, the
> > > > >>>>>>> PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what do you
> want
> > > > >> about
> > > > >>>>>> your
> > > > >>>>>>> own repo.
> > > > >>>>>>> Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the specific
> ones
> > > > >> in
> > > > >>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>> initial org, https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> > > > >>>>>>> [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
> > > > >>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > >>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道：
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are
> > > > >> done.
> > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
> org
> > > > >> to
> > > > >>>>> be
> > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other
> > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> important.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going.
> We
> > > > >> cannot
> > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > >>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make sure
> > > > >> ICLA
> > > > >>>>> for
> > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > >>>>>>>> projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move
> everything
> > > > >> into
> > > > >>>>>> Apache
> > > > >>>>>>>> group except for the repo [1] which serves redirection
> dubbo.io
> > > > >> to
> > > > >>>>>>>> dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group
> > > > >> like
> > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem
> > > > >>>>>>>> Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this group is
> for
> > > > >>>>> hosting
> > > > >>>>>> dubbo
> > > > >>>>>>>> eco-system temporaryly before the transition finishes.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> I hope this can answer your concerns.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > >>>>>>>> -Ian.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > > > >> redirects
> > > > >>>>> to
> > > > >>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it
> may
> > > > >> be
> > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > >>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is being
> > > > >> taken.
> > > > >>>>> The
> > > > >>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number of
> > > > >> times
> > > > >>>>> in
> > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g. [1][2]
> and
> > > > >> more
> > > > >>>>>>>> recently
> > > > >>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is happening
> [5].
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are
> > > > >> done.
> > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
> org
> > > > >> to
> > > > >>>>> be
> > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other
> > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> important.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many
> > > > >>>>>> projects/developers,
> > > > >>>>>>>> so
> > > > >>>>>>>>> please consider to make sure the branding is clear before
> > > > >>>>> graduation.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled,
> > > > >> the
> > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > >>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
> > > > >> started on
> > > > >>>>>> legal
> > > > >>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note
> it
> > > > >> was
> > > > >>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > >>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> This is not a blocker, this comes from the same reason I
> asked
> > > > >>>>> about
> > > > >>>>>>>>> branding.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many media(s),
> many
> > > > >>>>>>>>> watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF project, and
> the
> > > > >> PMC
> > > > >>>>> is
> > > > >>>>>>>> ready
> > > > >>>>>>>>> to find the license issue in first place.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
> > > > >> 上午7:19写道：
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be Apache
> branding,
> > > > >>>>> then
> > > > >>>>>> why
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially the exact
> > > > >> name
> > > > >>>>> and
> > > > >>>>>>>> logo.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > > > >> redirects
> > > > >>>>> to
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it
> > > > >> may be
> > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is being
> > > > >>>>> taken.
> > > > >>>>>> The
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number
> of
> > > > >>>>> times
> > > > >>>>>> in
> > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g. [1][2]
> > > > >> and
> > > > >>>>> more
> > > > >>>>>>>>> recently
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is happening
> [5].
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using Apache mail
> > > > >>>>>> list[3].
> > > > >>>>>>>> But
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I would guess this is just an oversight, but if someone
> > > > >> from the
> > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > >>>>>>>> can
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> comment on this that would be good.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use the Dubbo
> > > > >> name.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> See [5].
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release Apache
> Dubbo
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue hasn't been
> > > > >>>>>> addressed
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> inside
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain
> thing(maybe),
> > > > >>>>> but at
> > > > >>>>>>>> this
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> moment, it should not be included.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled,
> > > > >> the
> > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
> > > > >> started
> > > > >>>>> on
> > > > >>>>>>>> legal
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note
> > > > >> it was
> > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>>> PPMC
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Justin
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 1.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 3.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 4.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 5.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>
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> > > > >>>>> general-help@incubator.apache.org
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> --
> > > > >>>>>> Best Regards！
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Huxing
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>
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> > Huxing
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project

[Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>]

Hi

Sorry, I copy the wrong link.
> - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en [archieved in
chickenlj[2] personal repo]
In the proposal, it is https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-dev-book-en

>- https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-admin-book-en [archieved in chickenlj
personal repo]
In the proposal, it is https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-admin-book-en

Sheng Wu 吴晟

Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108


Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月29日周一 下午2:22写道：

> Hi
> Branding issues should be improved now. No concern for that.
>
> But, I have a question, which also needs the Dubbo community to clear.
>
> In the Dubbo incubator proposal[1], there are several repositories
> in Initial Source
> - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en [archieved in
> chickenlj[2] personal repo]
> - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-admin-book-en [archieved in
> chickenlj personal repo]
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-docker-sample [404]
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-http-demo [404]
> ...(and several others repos)
>
> Also, chickenlj[3] can't be found in Dubbo team[4]. Maybe really 'can't`,
> but I can't find a match by name(ken or ken.lj).
>
> Could someone tell me what is going on?
> Are these being included in the Dubbo website document, already? Or the
> proposal changed.
>
> Thanks.
>
> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> [2] https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en
> [3] https://github.com/chickenlj
> [4] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/docs/developers/developers_dev.html
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> 于2019年4月28日周日 下午11:05写道：
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am wrapping the latest update from Dubbo community.
>>
>> - The avator of dubbo[1] group has been deleted
>> - The description of dubbo group has been rename as Eco System For Apache
>> Dubbo
>> - A new group called thubbo[2] has been created
>> - All projects under dubbo group are renamed in xxx-for-apache-dubbo
>> format in compliance with the policies
>> - For the 19 projects remaining in dubbo group, the Dubbo community
>> has contacted all the project owners, and got response from 18
>> projects[3]. Among them,
>>   * 14 projects will be transferred to ASF (13 of them will be
>> transferred by May 31st, 1 project will be transferred by June 30th)
>>   * 3 projects will be transferred outside dubbo group, with all
>> branding issues cleared.
>>   * 1 project (dubbo.github.io) will be deleted by May 31st. (redirect
>> dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org via dns)
>>   * The remaining 1 project (intellij-idea-plugin) will be transferred
>> to thubbo group if no response is received.
>>   * The detailed status has been summarized here[4].
>>   * If any project failed to be transferred before ETA, it will be
>> transferred to thubbo group instead.
>>
>> Given that all project has given ETA to be transferred to ASF/outside
>> dubbo, a suggestion is given that there is no need to move the
>> projects to thubbo group unless they are not transferred before ETA.
>>
>> The Dubbo community is seeking comments from the IPMC that whether
>> this proposal is OK or not. Any feedback will be appreciated. Hope
>> this could clear the concern from IPMC.
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
>> [2] https://github.com/thubbo
>> [3]
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8dc772242181517e3159d583c6aa7d1fcf5ce6f321ebb9e882ab6ad@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>> [4]
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:46 PM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Dave & Others,
>> > >
>> > > This "3rd party" site (https://github.com/dubbo) is used for building
>> > > Dubbo's eco-system. Just as you said, It contains both the projects
>> which
>> > > will be donated and which may not, so the final goal for this "3rd
>> party"
>> > > site is pretty clear: it will contain and only contain projects won't
>> > > donate, and if there's no project left eventually, this site does not
>> > > necessarily exist.
>> > >
>> > > What we're doing now is to solve the potential branding issues, in
>> order to
>> > > answer the challenges from whom wearing the trademark committee hat.
>> It is
>> > > an ad-hoc actions since we need to solve this particular issue as
>> quickly
>> > > as possible. Here're what we are doing as short-term actions:
>> > >
>> > > 1. Rename dubbo group to other name. - not yet
>> >
>> > Or create a new group and move all the projects to it, left dubbo as
>> > an empty group. (The purpose is just to ensure nobody is trying to
>> > abuse it)
>> >
>> > > 2. Stop using Dubbo logo as group's avatar - done
>> > > 3. Rename all project names in compliance with the policies - ongoing
>> >
>> > +1
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > At the same time, I strongly agree with what Dave suggested for the
>> long
>> > > run plan. Here's what I propose (certainly this plan needs to be vote
>> in
>> > > dubbo's mailing list):
>> > >
>> > > 1. All projects will be transferred to Apache group with ETA
>> >
>> > I will try to discuss this with the project owners and Dubbo community
>> > to work out a ETA.
>> >
>> > > 2. After that, all members in this group will be join Apache if they
>> are
>> > > willing to (after they go through the vote certainly)
>> >
>> > As long as the project is under ASF, anyone can become committer by
>> > earning enough merit.
>> >
>> > > 3. After the transition is done, this particular group will be deleted
>> >
>> > +1.
>> >
>> > >
>> > > I will init the vote for the long term plan in dubbo's community
>> today, and
>> > > we will get back with the concrete transition plan with ETA to the
>> board
>> > > meeting as soon as possible. I hope we can satisfy the IPMC by doing
>> this.
>> > > Pls. let me know if this is sufficient. We can adjust the plan if any
>> > > further suggestion comes up.
>> >
>> > I think the Dubbo community can deliver an improved version of [1] to
>> > IPMC, by filling all the blanks and with a new column ETA.
>> >
>> > [1]
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > -Ian.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:29 AM Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi -
>> > > >
>> > > > (With trademark committee hat)
>> > > >
>> > > > Trademark resources can all be found from here:
>> > > > Trademark resources sitemap:
>> > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
>> > > > PMC responsibility:
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility
>> > > > Improper third party uses:
>> > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#police
>> > > > Formal policy: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>> > > >
>> > > > I don’t think that there is a formal policy to handle the situation
>> where
>> > > > a transitional, "3rd party” site controlled by the PMC exists that
>> will be
>> > > > phased out. Generally trademarks is looking for that PMC to be
>> working with
>> > > > and engaging 3rd parties to fix any branding issues.
>> > > >
>> > > > I think it is important to know what the goal is for the "3rd
>> party" site
>> > > > is and when that will be achieved.
>> > > >
>> > > > (Dubbo mentor hat)
>> > > >
>> > > > I think that rather than quickly responding by fixing various
>> issues in an
>> > > > ad hoc manner it would be good to present the long term plan and
>> then agree
>> > > > on the needed language on the “3rd party site”
>> > > >
>> > > > For example, the treatment of “product” that will be donated into
>> the
>> > > > project codebase differs from “product” that won’t be. The “for
>> Apache
>> > > > Dubbo” makes no sense for product that will be moved into Dubbo.
>> > > >
>> > > > The next board meeting is May 15th and there is time to carefully
>> address
>> > > > the plan to the satisfaction of the IPMC.
>> > > >
>> > > > Regards,
>> > > > Dave
>> > > >
>> > > > > On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hi
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
>> that
>> > > > > such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need that
>> > > > > information soon-ish myself, thanks.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I used to read this from incubator discussions. Zipkin and
>> SkyWalking
>> > > > were
>> > > > > facing that question. Could someone help about this?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>> > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Jan Piotrowski <pi...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午11:29写道：
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> Semi OT:
>> > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
>> that
>> > > > >> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need that
>> > > > >> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> -J
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu <
>> > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Hi,
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
>> > > > >>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, especially for
>> these
>> > > > >> three.
>> > > > >>> I also used to see the traditional rename to
>> xxx-for-apache-project
>> > > > >>> 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
>> > > > >>> 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py
>> > > > >>> 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release
>> repo(npm), the
>> > > > >>> description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2]. Right?
>> > > > >>> If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking used to
>> be
>> > > > asked
>> > > > >>> stop in the same case.
>> > > > >>> Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which isn't.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js
>> > > > >>> [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>> > > > >>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:46写道：
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>>> Hi
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
>> > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
>> other
>> > > > >> name
>> > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
>> > > > >>>> dubbo.github.io,
>> > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep
>> website
>> > > > >> in
>> > > > >>>>> this group
>> > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
>> > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> Please discuss with your community, then make the decision. I
>> just
>> > > > >> reply
>> > > > >>>> the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the
>> > > > dubbo.github.io
>> > > > >> ,
>> > > > >>>> if the community wants), is also a good idea.
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my concern.
>> I trust
>> > > > >> the
>> > > > >>>> Dubbo community could make it right.
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> Thanks.
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>> > > > >>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道：
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> Those two are good options. Please read my prev reply[1],
>> which
>> > > > >>>>> concerns me
>> > > > >>>>>> more are
>> > > > >>>>>> 1. Website codebase.
>> > > > >>>>>> 2. GitHub org name and logo.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be disallowed,
>> we will
>> > > > >> do
>> > > > >>>>> the
>> > > > >>>>> following things against dubbo group:
>> > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
>> > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
>> other
>> > > > name
>> > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
>> > > > >> dubbo.github.io
>> > > > >>>>> ,
>> > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep
>> website
>> > > > >> in
>> > > > >>>>> this group
>> > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
>> > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> Let me know if your concerns will be completely addressed
>> once the
>> > > > >> actions
>> > > > >>>>> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our
>> mentors and
>> > > > >>>>> hopefully get back to you soon.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> Regards,
>> > > > >>>>> -Ian.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <
>> huxing@apache.org>
>> > > > >> wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> Hi,
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu <
>> > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
>> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> Hi.
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going.
>> We
>> > > > >> cannot
>> > > > >>>>>> do it
>> > > > >>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make
>> sure ICLA
>> > > > >> for
>> > > > >>>>>> each
>> > > > >>>>>>> projects are signed,
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo, which is
>> > > > >> decided by
>> > > > >>>>>> the
>> > > > >>>>>>> project owner or Dubbo community.
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> eventually we hope to move everything into Apache group
>> except
>> > > > >> for
>> > > > >>>>> the
>> > > > >>>>>>> repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to
>> dubbo.apache.org.
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> As you mentioned, which make me concern more. Especially
>> you say
>> > > > >>>>>>> `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional?
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> No. The redirection has been completed.
>> > > > >>>>>> You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io
>> > > > >>>>>> The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME.
>> > > > >>>>>> Other files are archive for the old website before joining
>> ASF.
>> > > > >>>>>> To make it better understandable, I think it is better to
>> move them
>> > > > >> to
>> > > > >>>>>> other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose.
>> > > > >>>>>> I update the description and readme, removing the word
>> "eventually".
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section Initial
>> > > > >> Source,
>> > > > >>>>> "Home
>> > > > >>>>>>> Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"
>> > > > >>>>>>> If the transfer has not been finished, you should wait for
>> that
>> > > > >> before
>> > > > >>>>>>> graduation.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to dubbo.io
>> has been
>> > > > >>>>>> redirected to dubbo.apache.org.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and host
>> all in
>> > > > >>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If not,
>> which
>> > > > >> is
>> > > > >>>>>> harder
>> > > > >>>>>>> to understand for me.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to either
>> Apache
>> > > > >> or
>> > > > >>>>>> Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF.
>> > > > >>>>>> The Dubbo community do not have access to change the DNS
>> record.
>> > > > >>>>>> The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> This is a block for me.
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo
>> group
>> > > > >> like
>> > > > >>>>> this:
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> You changed some. But if you look clearly about the
>> logo(GitHub
>> > > > >> org
>> > > > >>>>>>> avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are the
>> same,
>> > > > >> which
>> > > > >>>>> both
>> > > > >>>>>> of
>> > > > >>>>>>> them belong to ASF.
>> > > > >>>>>>> Which makes me think the branding has not been cleared.
>> > > > >> Especially, I
>> > > > >>>>>> think
>> > > > >>>>>>> Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so this
>> should
>> > > > >> be
>> > > > >>>>> able
>> > > > >>>>>>> to be fixed.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> I have no objection to rename the organization if this is an
>> issue.
>> > > > >>>>>> I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is useful
>> just for
>> > > > >>>>>> defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it.
>> > > > >>>>>> Another way is to create another group with something other
>> than
>> > > > >>>>>> dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
>> > > > >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
>> > > > >>>>>>> this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system temporarily
>> before the
>> > > > >>>>>>> transition finishes.
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are going to be
>> a
>> > > > >> TLP, the
>> > > > >>>>>>> PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what do you
>> want
>> > > > >> about
>> > > > >>>>>> your
>> > > > >>>>>>> own repo.
>> > > > >>>>>>> Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the
>> specific ones
>> > > > >> in
>> > > > >>>>> the
>> > > > >>>>>>> initial org, https://github.com/dubbo
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
>> > > > >>>>>>> [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
>> > > > >>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/dubbo
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>> > > > >>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道：
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are
>> > > > >> done.
>> > > > >>>>>> Could
>> > > > >>>>>>>> the
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
>> org
>> > > > >> to
>> > > > >>>>> be
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other
>> > > > >>>>>> way(community
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
>> important.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going.
>> We
>> > > > >> cannot
>> > > > >>>>>> do it
>> > > > >>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make
>> sure
>> > > > >> ICLA
>> > > > >>>>> for
>> > > > >>>>>> each
>> > > > >>>>>>>> projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move
>> everything
>> > > > >> into
>> > > > >>>>>> Apache
>> > > > >>>>>>>> group except for the repo [1] which serves redirection
>> dubbo.io
>> > > > >> to
>> > > > >>>>>>>> dubbo.apache.org.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo
>> group
>> > > > >> like
>> > > > >>>>> this:
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem
>> > > > >>>>>>>> Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
>> > > > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this group is
>> for
>> > > > >>>>> hosting
>> > > > >>>>>> dubbo
>> > > > >>>>>>>> eco-system temporaryly before the transition finishes.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> I hope this can answer your concerns.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> Regards,
>> > > > >>>>>>>> -Ian.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu <
>> > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
>> > > > >> redirects
>> > > > >>>>> to
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it
>> may
>> > > > >> be
>> > > > >>>>>> that a
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is being
>> > > > >> taken.
>> > > > >>>>> The
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number
>> of
>> > > > >> times
>> > > > >>>>> in
>> > > > >>>>>> the
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g. [1][2]
>> and
>> > > > >> more
>> > > > >>>>>>>> recently
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> [3][4].
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is happening
>> [5].
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are
>> > > > >> done.
>> > > > >>>>>> Could
>> > > > >>>>>>>> the
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
>> org
>> > > > >> to
>> > > > >>>>> be
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other
>> > > > >>>>>> way(community
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
>> important.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many
>> > > > >>>>>> projects/developers,
>> > > > >>>>>>>> so
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> please consider to make sure the branding is clear before
>> > > > >>>>> graduation.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled,
>> > > > >> the
>> > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
>> > > > >> started on
>> > > > >>>>>> legal
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note
>> it
>> > > > >> was
>> > > > >>>>> the
>> > > > >>>>>> PPMC
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> This is not a blocker, this comes from the same reason I
>> asked
>> > > > >>>>> about
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> branding.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many media(s),
>> many
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF project, and
>> the
>> > > > >> PMC
>> > > > >>>>> is
>> > > > >>>>>>>> ready
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> to find the license issue in first place.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
>> > > > >> 上午7:19写道：
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be Apache
>> branding,
>> > > > >>>>> then
>> > > > >>>>>> why
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially the exact
>> > > > >> name
>> > > > >>>>> and
>> > > > >>>>>>>> logo.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
>> > > > >> redirects
>> > > > >>>>> to
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it
>> > > > >> may be
>> > > > >>>>>> that a
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is
>> being
>> > > > >>>>> taken.
>> > > > >>>>>> The
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number
>> of
>> > > > >>>>> times
>> > > > >>>>>> in
>> > > > >>>>>>>> the
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g. [1][2]
>> > > > >> and
>> > > > >>>>> more
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> recently
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> [3][4].
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is happening
>> [5].
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using Apache
>> mail
>> > > > >>>>>> list[3].
>> > > > >>>>>>>> But
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I would guess this is just an oversight, but if someone
>> > > > >> from the
>> > > > >>>>>> PPMC
>> > > > >>>>>>>> can
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> comment on this that would be good.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use the Dubbo
>> > > > >> name.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> See [5].
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release Apache
>> Dubbo
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue hasn't
>> been
>> > > > >>>>>> addressed
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> inside
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain
>> thing(maybe),
>> > > > >>>>> but at
>> > > > >>>>>>>> this
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> moment, it should not be included.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled,
>> > > > >> the
>> > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
>> > > > >> started
>> > > > >>>>> on
>> > > > >>>>>>>> legal
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note
>> > > > >> it was
>> > > > >>>>>> the
>> > > > >>>>>>>> PPMC
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Justin
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 1.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>
>> > > >
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>
>> > > >
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 3.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>
>> > > >
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 4.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>
>> > > >
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 5.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>
>> > > >
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> --
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project

[Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com>]

Willem, cannot agree with you any more. It is not a rocket science as you
said. It's in fact just an engineering practice. We will keep improving it
and make sure everyone follows it.

Cheers,
-Ian.


On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 3:46 PM Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm happy to see the common Dubbo release practices could guide other
> incubating project. It's not a rocket science, we just need pay more
> attentions on the first and second around release to setup right
> release procedure and building scripts.  Please make sure the team
> member aware of this guide when they doing the release.
>
> Willem Jiang
>
> Twitter: willemjiang
> Weibo: 姜宁willem
>
> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 11:43 PM Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > We have a concrete release guide [1]  to guide team to perform an apache
> > release. @adrianfcole tweet this:
> >
> > I am always referencing #dubbo's Apache release guide. It probably needs
> to
> > > move to be..Apache's release guide.
> >
> >
> > But I like your idea of a release manager team. We will have much more
> > Dubbo relevant projects after we finish transferring them from dubbo
> group
> > to ASF. Those who have release experience should take closer eyes in this
> > area, but in my own opinion, we will encourage more committers to take
> > release engineer role, only if they strictly follow Dubbo's release
> guide.
> >
> > Regards,
> > -Ian.
> >
> >
> > 1.
> >
> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/docs/developers/committer-guide/release-guide_dev.html
> >
> > On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 4:27 PM Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > As there are some new subproject join the dubbo project. I think it
> > > could be a challenge to make sure all these new sub projects are
> > > following the Apache release rules. Did you have any plan to do this?
> > > Maybe a release manager team could help the new committer to do the
> > > first few release check.
> > >
> > > Willem Jiang
> > >
> > > Twitter: willemjiang
> > > Weibo: 姜宁willem
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 2:52 PM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi community,
> > > >
> > > > It looks like all the questions and concerns have been cleared.
> > > > If there is no other comments, I am planning to start the formal vote
> > > tomorrow.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best Regards！
> > > > Huxing
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project

[Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com>]

I'm happy to see the common Dubbo release practices could guide other
incubating project. It's not a rocket science, we just need pay more
attentions on the first and second around release to setup right
release procedure and building scripts.  Please make sure the team
member aware of this guide when they doing the release.

Willem Jiang

Twitter: willemjiang
Weibo: 姜宁willem

On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 11:43 PM Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We have a concrete release guide [1]  to guide team to perform an apache
> release. @adrianfcole tweet this:
>
> I am always referencing #dubbo's Apache release guide. It probably needs to
> > move to be..Apache's release guide.
>
>
> But I like your idea of a release manager team. We will have much more
> Dubbo relevant projects after we finish transferring them from dubbo group
> to ASF. Those who have release experience should take closer eyes in this
> area, but in my own opinion, we will encourage more committers to take
> release engineer role, only if they strictly follow Dubbo's release guide.
>
> Regards,
> -Ian.
>
>
> 1.
> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/docs/developers/committer-guide/release-guide_dev.html
>
> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 4:27 PM Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > As there are some new subproject join the dubbo project. I think it
> > could be a challenge to make sure all these new sub projects are
> > following the Apache release rules. Did you have any plan to do this?
> > Maybe a release manager team could help the new committer to do the
> > first few release check.
> >
> > Willem Jiang
> >
> > Twitter: willemjiang
> > Weibo: 姜宁willem
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 2:52 PM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi community,
> > >
> > > It looks like all the questions and concerns have been cleared.
> > > If there is no other comments, I am planning to start the formal vote
> > tomorrow.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best Regards！
> > > Huxing
> > >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project

[Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com>]

We have a concrete release guide [1]  to guide team to perform an apache
release. @adrianfcole tweet this:

I am always referencing #dubbo's Apache release guide. It probably needs to
> move to be..Apache's release guide.


But I like your idea of a release manager team. We will have much more
Dubbo relevant projects after we finish transferring them from dubbo group
to ASF. Those who have release experience should take closer eyes in this
area, but in my own opinion, we will encourage more committers to take
release engineer role, only if they strictly follow Dubbo's release guide.

Regards,
-Ian.


1.
http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/docs/developers/committer-guide/release-guide_dev.html

On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 4:27 PM Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As there are some new subproject join the dubbo project. I think it
> could be a challenge to make sure all these new sub projects are
> following the Apache release rules. Did you have any plan to do this?
> Maybe a release manager team could help the new committer to do the
> first few release check.
>
> Willem Jiang
>
> Twitter: willemjiang
> Weibo: 姜宁willem
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project

[Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com>]

Yeah, it's a good plan that the experienced PPMC can help other new
project members.
We just need to make sure it's on the good track.

It's good to see Dubbo is near graduation by the way.

Willem Jiang

Twitter: willemjiang
Weibo: 姜宁willem

On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 11:33 PM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 4:27 PM Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > As there are some new subproject join the dubbo project. I think it
> > could be a challenge to make sure all these new sub projects are
> > following the Apache release rules. Did you have any plan to do this?
>
> I was thinking about this. IMO, the new coming projects will not be
> able to do any releases because the project owners/contributors does
> not have write access to it. However,  the PPMC need to keep a close
> eye on the projects and the external repository like npm, pip, docker
> hub, etc. to make sure there is no unapproved releases.
> The Dubbo PPMC will vote them in as committers with standard Apache
> way, after that the PPMC will work with them to make their first
> Apache releases, just like how IPMC help Dubbo to make the releases.
> Because the Dubbo community has conducted 11 releases with 7 release
> managers since incubation, and the release guide is well documented[1]
> with checklist and scripts. I think the Dubbo community has
> demonstrated the ability to make release that complies Apache release
> policy.
> How do you think?
>
> [1] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/blog/prepare-an-apache-release.html
>
> > Maybe a release manager team could help the new committer to do the
> > first few release check.
> >
> > Willem Jiang
> >
> > Twitter: willemjiang
> > Weibo: 姜宁willem
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 2:52 PM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi community,
> > >
> > > It looks like all the questions and concerns have been cleared.
> > > If there is no other comments, I am planning to start the formal vote tomorrow.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best Regards！
> > > Huxing
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project

[Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org>]

Hi,

On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 4:27 PM Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As there are some new subproject join the dubbo project. I think it
> could be a challenge to make sure all these new sub projects are
> following the Apache release rules. Did you have any plan to do this?

I was thinking about this. IMO, the new coming projects will not be
able to do any releases because the project owners/contributors does
not have write access to it. However,  the PPMC need to keep a close
eye on the projects and the external repository like npm, pip, docker
hub, etc. to make sure there is no unapproved releases.
The Dubbo PPMC will vote them in as committers with standard Apache
way, after that the PPMC will work with them to make their first
Apache releases, just like how IPMC help Dubbo to make the releases.
Because the Dubbo community has conducted 11 releases with 7 release
managers since incubation, and the release guide is well documented[1]
with checklist and scripts. I think the Dubbo community has
demonstrated the ability to make release that complies Apache release
policy.
How do you think?

[1] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/blog/prepare-an-apache-release.html

> Maybe a release manager team could help the new committer to do the
> first few release check.
>
> Willem Jiang
>
> Twitter: willemjiang
> Weibo: 姜宁willem
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 2:52 PM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi community,
> >
> > It looks like all the questions and concerns have been cleared.
> > If there is no other comments, I am planning to start the formal vote tomorrow.
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards！
> > Huxing
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project

[Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com>]

As there are some new subproject join the dubbo project. I think it
could be a challenge to make sure all these new sub projects are
following the Apache release rules. Did you have any plan to do this?
Maybe a release manager team could help the new committer to do the
first few release check.

Willem Jiang

Twitter: willemjiang
Weibo: 姜宁willem

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>
> Hi community,
>
> It looks like all the questions and concerns have been cleared.
> If there is no other comments, I am planning to start the formal vote tomorrow.
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project

[Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org>]

Hi community,

It looks like all the questions and concerns have been cleared.
If there is no other comments, I am planning to start the formal vote tomorrow.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project

[Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>]

Hi Huxing Zhang & Jun Liu

Thanks to both of you. Clear these things quickly.
I think I am good now.

Wish the Dubbo project will graduate soon. Good luck.

Sheng Wu 吴晟

Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108


Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> 于2019年4月29日周一 下午5:50写道：

> Hi,
>
> I have summarized it here:
>
> Dubbo code base: https://github.com/alibaba/dubbo  has been
> transferred to  https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo
> Spring Boot Support:
> https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-spring-boot-project  has been
> transferred to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-spring-boot-project
> Dubbo Admin Console: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-ops has been
> transferred to https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-admin
> Json RPC extension: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-rpc-jsonrpc has
> been transferred to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-rpc-jsonrpc, and further
> merged into incubator-dubbo, which can be deleted.
> Home Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io, as summarized
> before, this repo hosts dubbo.io which has been redirected to
> https://dubbo.apache.org, and it will be deleted before May 31.
>
> Dubbo Documentation:
> - User guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-user-book-en
> - Developer guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-dev-book-en
> - Admin guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-admin-book-en
> Dubbo Documentation (Chinese)
> - User guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-user-book
> - Developer guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-dev-book
> - Admin guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-admin-book
>
> These have been transferred to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-docs, and further merged to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-website.
> I have noticed that https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-user-book-en has
> been redirected to an archived project
> https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-user-book-en. I've no idea how this
> is happened, I think it should be removed.
>
> Samples/Demo:
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-feature-test has been transferred to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-feature-test
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-docker-sample has been moved to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-samples and then deleted
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-http-demo has been moved to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-samples and then deleted
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-ws-demo has been moved to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-samples/ and then deleted
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 5:06 PM Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I am just asking the question about the repo in the proposal.
> > Because all repo(s) in the proposal should have been moved into ASF.
> > Could you add the status of all repo in your WIKI page?
> >
> > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> >
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> > Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> 于2019年4月29日周一 下午4:59写道：
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:29 PM Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi
> > > > Branding issues should be improved now. No concern for that.
> > > >
> > > > But, I have a question, which also needs the Dubbo community to
> clear.
> > > >
> > > > In the Dubbo incubator proposal[1], there are several repositories
> > > > in Initial Source
> > > > - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en [archieved in
> > > chickenlj[2]
> > > > personal repo]
> > > > - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-admin-book-en [archieved in
> > > chickenlj
> > > > personal repo]
> > > > - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-docker-sample [404]
> > > > - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-http-demo [404]
> > > > ...(and several others repos)
> > > >
> > > > Also, chickenlj[3] can't be found in Dubbo team[4]. Maybe really
> 'can't`,
> > > > but I can't find a match by name(ken or ken.lj).
> > > >
> > > > Could someone tell me what is going on?
> > >
> > > chickenlj is Jun Liu, who has been listed on the PMC members. You can
> > > find it in the resolution proposal.
> > > I do not quite understand, what is the concern here?
> > >
> > > > Are these being included in the Dubbo website document, already?
> > >
> > > Yes. dubbo-dev-book-en, dubbo-admin-book-en, and etc. has been
> > > transferred here[1], which just contains the documentation.
> > > After Dubbo joins incubator, a new Dubbo website has been created, and
> > > all the documentation has been merged into [2]
> > >
> > > > Or the proposal changed.
> > >
> > > [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-docs
> > > [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-website
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> > > > [2] https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en
> > > > [3] https://github.com/chickenlj
> > > > [4]
> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/docs/developers/developers_dev.html
> > > >
> > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > >
> > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> 于2019年4月28日周日 下午11:05写道：
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am wrapping the latest update from Dubbo community.
> > > > >
> > > > > - The avator of dubbo[1] group has been deleted
> > > > > - The description of dubbo group has been rename as Eco System For
> > > Apache
> > > > > Dubbo
> > > > > - A new group called thubbo[2] has been created
> > > > > - All projects under dubbo group are renamed in
> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > format in compliance with the policies
> > > > > - For the 19 projects remaining in dubbo group, the Dubbo community
> > > > > has contacted all the project owners, and got response from 18
> > > > > projects[3]. Among them,
> > > > >   * 14 projects will be transferred to ASF (13 of them will be
> > > > > transferred by May 31st, 1 project will be transferred by June
> 30th)
> > > > >   * 3 projects will be transferred outside dubbo group, with all
> > > > > branding issues cleared.
> > > > >   * 1 project (dubbo.github.io) will be deleted by May 31st.
> (redirect
> > > > > dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org via dns)
> > > > >   * The remaining 1 project (intellij-idea-plugin) will be
> transferred
> > > > > to thubbo group if no response is received.
> > > > >   * The detailed status has been summarized here[4].
> > > > >   * If any project failed to be transferred before ETA, it will be
> > > > > transferred to thubbo group instead.
> > > > >
> > > > > Given that all project has given ETA to be transferred to
> ASF/outside
> > > > > dubbo, a suggestion is given that there is no need to move the
> > > > > projects to thubbo group unless they are not transferred before
> ETA.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Dubbo community is seeking comments from the IPMC that whether
> > > > > this proposal is OK or not. Any feedback will be appreciated. Hope
> > > > > this could clear the concern from IPMC.
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > [2] https://github.com/thubbo
> > > > > [3]
> > > > >
> > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8dc772242181517e3159d583c6aa7d1fcf5ce6f321ebb9e882ab6ad@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > [4]
> > > > >
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:46 PM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dave & Others,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This "3rd party" site (https://github.com/dubbo) is used for
> > > building
> > > > > > > Dubbo's eco-system. Just as you said, It contains both the
> projects
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > will be donated and which may not, so the final goal for this
> "3rd
> > > > > party"
> > > > > > > site is pretty clear: it will contain and only contain projects
> > > won't
> > > > > > > donate, and if there's no project left eventually, this site
> does
> > > not
> > > > > > > necessarily exist.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What we're doing now is to solve the potential branding
> issues, in
> > > > > order to
> > > > > > > answer the challenges from whom wearing the trademark committee
> > > hat.
> > > > > It is
> > > > > > > an ad-hoc actions since we need to solve this particular issue
> as
> > > > > quickly
> > > > > > > as possible. Here're what we are doing as short-term actions:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. Rename dubbo group to other name. - not yet
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Or create a new group and move all the projects to it, left
> dubbo as
> > > > > > an empty group. (The purpose is just to ensure nobody is trying
> to
> > > > > > abuse it)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2. Stop using Dubbo logo as group's avatar - done
> > > > > > > 3. Rename all project names in compliance with the policies -
> > > ongoing
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At the same time, I strongly agree with what Dave suggested
> for the
> > > > > long
> > > > > > > run plan. Here's what I propose (certainly this plan needs to
> be
> > > vote
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > dubbo's mailing list):
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. All projects will be transferred to Apache group with ETA
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will try to discuss this with the project owners and Dubbo
> > > community
> > > > > > to work out a ETA.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2. After that, all members in this group will be join Apache if
> > > they
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > willing to (after they go through the vote certainly)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As long as the project is under ASF, anyone can become committer
> by
> > > > > > earning enough merit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3. After the transition is done, this particular group will be
> > > deleted
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +1.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I will init the vote for the long term plan in dubbo's
> community
> > > > > today, and
> > > > > > > we will get back with the concrete transition plan with ETA to
> the
> > > > > board
> > > > > > > meeting as soon as possible. I hope we can satisfy the IPMC by
> > > doing
> > > > > this.
> > > > > > > Pls. let me know if this is sufficient. We can adjust the plan
> if
> > > any
> > > > > > > further suggestion comes up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think the Dubbo community can deliver an improved version of
> [1] to
> > > > > > IPMC, by filling all the blanks and with a new column ETA.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]
> > > > >
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > -Ian.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:29 AM Dave Fisher <
> > > dave2wave@comcast.net>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi -
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (With trademark committee hat)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Trademark resources can all be found from here:
> > > > > > > > Trademark resources sitemap:
> > > > > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
> > > > > > > > PMC responsibility:
> > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility
> > > > > > > > Improper third party uses:
> > > > > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#police
> > > > > > > > Formal policy: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don’t think that there is a formal policy to handle the
> > > situation
> > > > > where
> > > > > > > > a transitional, "3rd party” site controlled by the PMC exists
> > > that
> > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > phased out. Generally trademarks is looking for that PMC to
> be
> > > > > working with
> > > > > > > > and engaging 3rd parties to fix any branding issues.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think it is important to know what the goal is for the "3rd
> > > party"
> > > > > site
> > > > > > > > is and when that will be achieved.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (Dubbo mentor hat)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think that rather than quickly responding by fixing various
> > > issues
> > > > > in an
> > > > > > > > ad hoc manner it would be good to present the long term plan
> and
> > > > > then agree
> > > > > > > > on the needed language on the “3rd party site”
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For example, the treatment of “product” that will be donated
> > > into the
> > > > > > > > project codebase differs from “product” that won’t be. The
> “for
> > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > Dubbo” makes no sense for product that will be moved into
> Dubbo.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The next board meeting is May 15th and there is time to
> carefully
> > > > > address
> > > > > > > > the plan to the satisfaction of the IPMC.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > Dave
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Sheng Wu <
> > > wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that
> indicates
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might
> need
> > > that
> > > > > > > > > information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I used to read this from incubator discussions. Zipkin and
> > > > > SkyWalking
> > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > facing that question. Could someone help about this?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jan Piotrowski <pi...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
> 下午11:29写道：
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Semi OT:
> > > > > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that
> indicates
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > >> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might
> need
> > > that
> > > > > > > > >> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> -J
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu <
> > > > > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > > > > >>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects,
> especially for
> > > > > these
> > > > > > > > >> three.
> > > > > > > > >>> I also used to see the traditional rename to
> > > > > xxx-for-apache-project
> > > > > > > > >>> 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > > > > > >>> 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py
> > > > > > > > >>> 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release
> > > > > repo(npm), the
> > > > > > > > >>> description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2].
> Right?
> > > > > > > > >>> If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking
> used
> > > to
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > asked
> > > > > > > > >>> stop in the same case.
> > > > > > > > >>> Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which
> > > isn't.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js
> > > > > > > > >>> [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > > > >>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
> > > 下午10:46写道：
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Hi
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from
> 'dubbo' to
> > > > > other
> > > > > > > > >> name
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain
> name
> > > > > > > > >>>> dubbo.github.io,
> > > > > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to
> > > keep
> > > > > website
> > > > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization
> to
> > > > > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Please discuss with your community, then make the
> decision.
> > > I
> > > > > just
> > > > > > > > >> reply
> > > > > > > > >>>> the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the
> > > > > > > > dubbo.github.io
> > > > > > > > >> ,
> > > > > > > > >>>> if the community wants), is also a good idea.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my
> > > concern. I
> > > > > trust
> > > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > > >>>> Dubbo community could make it right.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Thanks.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > > > >>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道：
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Those two are good options. Please read my prev
> reply[1],
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > > >>>>> concerns me
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> more are
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> 1. Website codebase.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> 2. GitHub org name and logo.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be
> > > disallowed,
> > > > > we will
> > > > > > > > >> do
> > > > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>> following things against dubbo group:
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from
> 'dubbo' to
> > > > > other
> > > > > > > > name
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain
> name
> > > > > > > > >> dubbo.github.io
> > > > > > > > >>>>> ,
> > > > > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to
> > > keep
> > > > > website
> > > > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization
> to
> > > > > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Let me know if your concerns will be completely
> addressed
> > > once
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >> actions
> > > > > > > > >>>>> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our
> > > > > mentors and
> > > > > > > > >>>>> hopefully get back to you soon.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > > > > > > >>>>> -Ian.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <
> > > > > huxing@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Hi.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under
> > > going.
> > > > > We
> > > > > > > > >> cannot
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and
> make
> > > sure
> > > > > ICLA
> > > > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> projects are signed,
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo,
> which
> > > is
> > > > > > > > >> decided by
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> project owner or Dubbo community.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> eventually we hope to move everything into Apache
> group
> > > > > except
> > > > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to
> > > > > dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> As you mentioned, which make me concern more.
> Especially
> > > you
> > > > > say
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional?
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> No. The redirection has been completed.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Other files are archive for the old website before
> joining
> > > > > ASF.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> To make it better understandable, I think it is
> better to
> > > > > move them
> > > > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> I update the description and readme, removing the word
> > > > > "eventually".
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section
> > > Initial
> > > > > > > > >> Source,
> > > > > > > > >>>>> "Home
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> If the transfer has not been finished, you should
> wait
> > > for
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > >> before
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to
> dubbo.io
> > > > > has been
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> redirected to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and
> > > host
> > > > > all in
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If
> > > not,
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> harder
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> to understand for me.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to
> > > either
> > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > >> or
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> The Dubbo community do not have access to change the
> DNS
> > > > > record.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to
> > > dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> This is a block for me.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for
> dubbo
> > > group
> > > > > > > > >> like
> > > > > > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> You changed some. But if you look clearly about the
> > > > > logo(GitHub
> > > > > > > > >> org
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are
> the
> > > same,
> > > > > > > > >> which
> > > > > > > > >>>>> both
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> of
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> them belong to ASF.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Which makes me think the branding has not been
> cleared.
> > > > > > > > >> Especially, I
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> think
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so
> > > this
> > > > > should
> > > > > > > > >> be
> > > > > > > > >>>>> able
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> to be fixed.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> I have no objection to rename the organization if
> this is
> > > an
> > > > > issue.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is
> useful
> > > just
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Another way is to create another group with something
> > > other
> > > > > than
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system
> temporarily
> > > > > before the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> transition finishes.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are
> going to
> > > be a
> > > > > > > > >> TLP, the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what
> do
> > > you
> > > > > want
> > > > > > > > >> about
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> your
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> own repo.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the
> > > specific
> > > > > ones
> > > > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> initial org, https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道：
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many
> projects
> > > are
> > > > > > > > >> done.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo
> > > GitHub[1]
> > > > > org
> > > > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or
> some
> > > other
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> > > > > important.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under
> > > going.
> > > > > We
> > > > > > > > >> cannot
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and
> make
> > > sure
> > > > > > > > >> ICLA
> > > > > > > > >>>>> for
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move
> > > > > everything
> > > > > > > > >> into
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Apache
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> group except for the repo [1] which serves
> redirection
> > > > > dubbo.io
> > > > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for
> dubbo
> > > group
> > > > > > > > >> like
> > > > > > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this
> group
> > > is
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > >>>>> hosting
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> dubbo
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> eco-system temporaryly before the transition
> finishes.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I hope this can answer your concerns.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> -Ian.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which
> now
> > > > > > > > >> redirects
> > > > > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other
> projects
> > > it
> > > > > may
> > > > > > > > >> be
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action
> is
> > > being
> > > > > > > > >> taken.
> > > > > > > > >>>>> The
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a
> > > number of
> > > > > > > > >> times
> > > > > > > > >>>>> in
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g.
> > > [1][2]
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >> more
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> recently
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is
> > > happening
> > > > > [5].
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many
> projects
> > > are
> > > > > > > > >> done.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo
> > > GitHub[1]
> > > > > org
> > > > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or
> some
> > > other
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> > > > > important.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> projects/developers,
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> so
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> please consider to make sure the branding is clear
> > > before
> > > > > > > > >>>>> graduation.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been
> > > canceled,
> > > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a
> discussion
> > > > > > > > >> started on
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> legal
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I
> also
> > > note
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > > >> was
> > > > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> This is not a blocker, this comes from the same
> reason
> > > I
> > > > > asked
> > > > > > > > >>>>> about
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> branding.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many
> media(s),
> > > > > many
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF
> project,
> > > and
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >> PMC
> > > > > > > > >>>>> is
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ready
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> to find the license issue in first place.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> 于2019年4月24日周三
> > > > > > > > >> 上午7:19写道：
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be Apache
> > > > > branding,
> > > > > > > > >>>>> then
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> why
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially the
> > > exact
> > > > > > > > >> name
> > > > > > > > >>>>> and
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> logo.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which
> now
> > > > > > > > >> redirects
> > > > > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other
> > > projects it
> > > > > > > > >> may be
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action
> is
> > > being
> > > > > > > > >>>>> taken.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> The
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a
> > > number
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >>>>> times
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> in
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g.
> > > [1][2]
> > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > >>>>> more
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> recently
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is
> > > happening
> > > > > [5].
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using
> Apache
> > > mail
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> list[3].
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> But
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I would guess this is just an oversight, but if
> > > someone
> > > > > > > > >> from the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> can
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> comment on this that would be good.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use the
> Dubbo
> > > > > > > > >> name.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> See [5].
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release
> Apache
> > > > > Dubbo
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue
> hasn't
> > > been
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> addressed
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> inside
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain
> > > > > thing(maybe),
> > > > > > > > >>>>> but at
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> this
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> moment, it should not be included.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been
> > > canceled,
> > > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a
> > > discussion
> > > > > > > > >> started
> > > > > > > > >>>>> on
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> legal
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I
> also
> > > note
> > > > > > > > >> it was
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Justin
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 1.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 3.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 4.
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> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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> > > > > > > > >>>>>
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> > > > >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project

[Jun Liu <li...@apache.org>]

Hi, Sheng & Huxing

All these repos under my personal Github id has already been donated to ASF since incubation. I think they are just backups at that time, now we all work on https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-website, I even forgot their existence. 

I will delete the following repos permanently now:
chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en 
chickenlj/dubbo-user-book-en 
chickenlj/dubbo-user-book 
chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book 
chickenlj/dubbo-admin-book-en 
chickenlj/dubbo-admin-book 


Jun

> On Apr 29, 2019, at 5:44 PM, Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have summarized it here:
> 
> Dubbo code base: https://github.com/alibaba/dubbo  has been
> transferred to  https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo
> Spring Boot Support:
> https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-spring-boot-project  has been
> transferred to https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-spring-boot-project
> Dubbo Admin Console: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-ops has been
> transferred to https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-admin
> Json RPC extension: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-rpc-jsonrpc has
> been transferred to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-rpc-jsonrpc, and further
> merged into incubator-dubbo, which can be deleted.
> Home Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io, as summarized
> before, this repo hosts dubbo.io which has been redirected to
> https://dubbo.apache.org, and it will be deleted before May 31.
> 
> Dubbo Documentation:
> - User guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-user-book-en
> - Developer guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-dev-book-en
> - Admin guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-admin-book-en
> Dubbo Documentation (Chinese)
> - User guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-user-book
> - Developer guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-dev-book
> - Admin guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-admin-book
> 
> These have been transferred to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-docs, and further merged to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-website.
> I have noticed that https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-user-book-en has
> been redirected to an archived project
> https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-user-book-en. I've no idea how this
> is happened, I think it should be removed.
> 
> Samples/Demo:
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-feature-test has been transferred to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-feature-test
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-docker-sample has been moved to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-samples and then deleted
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-http-demo has been moved to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-samples and then deleted
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-ws-demo has been moved to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-samples/ and then deleted
> 
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 5:06 PM Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> I am just asking the question about the repo in the proposal.
>> Because all repo(s) in the proposal should have been moved into ASF.
>> Could you add the status of all repo in your WIKI page?
>> 
>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>> 
>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>> 
>> 
>> Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> 于2019年4月29日周一 下午4:59写道：
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:29 PM Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi
>>>> Branding issues should be improved now. No concern for that.
>>>> 
>>>> But, I have a question, which also needs the Dubbo community to clear.
>>>> 
>>>> In the Dubbo incubator proposal[1], there are several repositories
>>>> in Initial Source
>>>> - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en [archieved in
>>> chickenlj[2]
>>>> personal repo]
>>>> - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-admin-book-en [archieved in
>>> chickenlj
>>>> personal repo]
>>>> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-docker-sample [404]
>>>> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-http-demo [404]
>>>> ...(and several others repos)
>>>> 
>>>> Also, chickenlj[3] can't be found in Dubbo team[4]. Maybe really 'can't`,
>>>> but I can't find a match by name(ken or ken.lj).
>>>> 
>>>> Could someone tell me what is going on?
>>> 
>>> chickenlj is Jun Liu, who has been listed on the PMC members. You can
>>> find it in the resolution proposal.
>>> I do not quite understand, what is the concern here?
>>> 
>>>> Are these being included in the Dubbo website document, already?
>>> 
>>> Yes. dubbo-dev-book-en, dubbo-admin-book-en, and etc. has been
>>> transferred here[1], which just contains the documentation.
>>> After Dubbo joins incubator, a new Dubbo website has been created, and
>>> all the documentation has been merged into [2]
>>> 
>>>> Or the proposal changed.
>>> 
>>> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-docs
>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-website
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
>>>> [2] https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en
>>>> [3] https://github.com/chickenlj
>>>> [4] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/docs/developers/developers_dev.html
>>>> 
>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>>>> 
>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> 于2019年4月28日周日 下午11:05写道：
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am wrapping the latest update from Dubbo community.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - The avator of dubbo[1] group has been deleted
>>>>> - The description of dubbo group has been rename as Eco System For
>>> Apache
>>>>> Dubbo
>>>>> - A new group called thubbo[2] has been created
>>>>> - All projects under dubbo group are renamed in xxx-for-apache-dubbo
>>>>> format in compliance with the policies
>>>>> - For the 19 projects remaining in dubbo group, the Dubbo community
>>>>> has contacted all the project owners, and got response from 18
>>>>> projects[3]. Among them,
>>>>>  * 14 projects will be transferred to ASF (13 of them will be
>>>>> transferred by May 31st, 1 project will be transferred by June 30th)
>>>>>  * 3 projects will be transferred outside dubbo group, with all
>>>>> branding issues cleared.
>>>>>  * 1 project (dubbo.github.io) will be deleted by May 31st. (redirect
>>>>> dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org via dns)
>>>>>  * The remaining 1 project (intellij-idea-plugin) will be transferred
>>>>> to thubbo group if no response is received.
>>>>>  * The detailed status has been summarized here[4].
>>>>>  * If any project failed to be transferred before ETA, it will be
>>>>> transferred to thubbo group instead.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Given that all project has given ETA to be transferred to ASF/outside
>>>>> dubbo, a suggestion is given that there is no need to move the
>>>>> projects to thubbo group unless they are not transferred before ETA.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Dubbo community is seeking comments from the IPMC that whether
>>>>> this proposal is OK or not. Any feedback will be appreciated. Hope
>>>>> this could clear the concern from IPMC.
>>>>> 
>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
>>>>> [2] https://github.com/thubbo
>>>>> [3]
>>>>> 
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8dc772242181517e3159d583c6aa7d1fcf5ce6f321ebb9e882ab6ad@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>>>>> [4]
>>>>> 
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:46 PM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dave & Others,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This "3rd party" site (https://github.com/dubbo) is used for
>>> building
>>>>>>> Dubbo's eco-system. Just as you said, It contains both the projects
>>>>> which
>>>>>>> will be donated and which may not, so the final goal for this "3rd
>>>>> party"
>>>>>>> site is pretty clear: it will contain and only contain projects
>>> won't
>>>>>>> donate, and if there's no project left eventually, this site does
>>> not
>>>>>>> necessarily exist.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What we're doing now is to solve the potential branding issues, in
>>>>> order to
>>>>>>> answer the challenges from whom wearing the trademark committee
>>> hat.
>>>>> It is
>>>>>>> an ad-hoc actions since we need to solve this particular issue as
>>>>> quickly
>>>>>>> as possible. Here're what we are doing as short-term actions:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1. Rename dubbo group to other name. - not yet
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Or create a new group and move all the projects to it, left dubbo as
>>>>>> an empty group. (The purpose is just to ensure nobody is trying to
>>>>>> abuse it)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2. Stop using Dubbo logo as group's avatar - done
>>>>>>> 3. Rename all project names in compliance with the policies -
>>> ongoing
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> At the same time, I strongly agree with what Dave suggested for the
>>>>> long
>>>>>>> run plan. Here's what I propose (certainly this plan needs to be
>>> vote
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> dubbo's mailing list):
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1. All projects will be transferred to Apache group with ETA
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I will try to discuss this with the project owners and Dubbo
>>> community
>>>>>> to work out a ETA.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2. After that, all members in this group will be join Apache if
>>> they
>>>>> are
>>>>>>> willing to (after they go through the vote certainly)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As long as the project is under ASF, anyone can become committer by
>>>>>> earning enough merit.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 3. After the transition is done, this particular group will be
>>> deleted
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> +1.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I will init the vote for the long term plan in dubbo's community
>>>>> today, and
>>>>>>> we will get back with the concrete transition plan with ETA to the
>>>>> board
>>>>>>> meeting as soon as possible. I hope we can satisfy the IPMC by
>>> doing
>>>>> this.
>>>>>>> Pls. let me know if this is sufficient. We can adjust the plan if
>>> any
>>>>>>> further suggestion comes up.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think the Dubbo community can deliver an improved version of [1] to
>>>>>> IPMC, by filling all the blanks and with a new column ETA.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>> 
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> -Ian.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:29 AM Dave Fisher <
>>> dave2wave@comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi -
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> (With trademark committee hat)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Trademark resources can all be found from here:
>>>>>>>> Trademark resources sitemap:
>>>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
>>>>>>>> PMC responsibility:
>>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility
>>>>>>>> Improper third party uses:
>>>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#police
>>>>>>>> Formal policy: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I don’t think that there is a formal policy to handle the
>>> situation
>>>>> where
>>>>>>>> a transitional, "3rd party” site controlled by the PMC exists
>>> that
>>>>> will be
>>>>>>>> phased out. Generally trademarks is looking for that PMC to be
>>>>> working with
>>>>>>>> and engaging 3rd parties to fix any branding issues.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I think it is important to know what the goal is for the "3rd
>>> party"
>>>>> site
>>>>>>>> is and when that will be achieved.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> (Dubbo mentor hat)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I think that rather than quickly responding by fixing various
>>> issues
>>>>> in an
>>>>>>>> ad hoc manner it would be good to present the long term plan and
>>>>> then agree
>>>>>>>> on the needed language on the “3rd party site”
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For example, the treatment of “product” that will be donated
>>> into the
>>>>>>>> project codebase differs from “product” that won’t be. The “for
>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>> Dubbo” makes no sense for product that will be moved into Dubbo.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The next board meeting is May 15th and there is time to carefully
>>>>> address
>>>>>>>> the plan to the satisfaction of the IPMC.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Sheng Wu <
>>> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need
>>> that
>>>>>>>>> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I used to read this from incubator discussions. Zipkin and
>>>>> SkyWalking
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>> facing that question. Could someone help about this?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Jan Piotrowski <pi...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午11:29写道：
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Semi OT:
>>>>>>>>>> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need
>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -J
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu <
>>>>>>>>>> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
>>>>>>>>>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, especially for
>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>> three.
>>>>>>>>>>> I also used to see the traditional rename to
>>>>> xxx-for-apache-project
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release
>>>>> repo(npm), the
>>>>>>>>>>> description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2]. Right?
>>>>>>>>>>> If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking used
>>> to
>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> asked
>>>>>>>>>>> stop in the same case.
>>>>>>>>>>> Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which
>>> isn't.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js
>>>>>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
>>> 下午10:46写道：
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
>>>>>>>>>>>> dubbo.github.io,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to
>>> keep
>>>>> website
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this group
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please discuss with your community, then make the decision.
>>> I
>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>> reply
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the
>>>>>>>> dubbo.github.io
>>>>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>>> if the community wants), is also a good idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my
>>> concern. I
>>>>> trust
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dubbo community could make it right.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道：
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those two are good options. Please read my prev reply[1],
>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerns me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Website codebase.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. GitHub org name and logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be
>>> disallowed,
>>>>> we will
>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> following things against dubbo group:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
>>>>>>>>>> dubbo.github.io
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to
>>> keep
>>>>> website
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this group
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know if your concerns will be completely addressed
>>> once
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> actions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our
>>>>> mentors and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hopefully get back to you soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Ian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <
>>>>> huxing@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu <
>>>>>>>>>> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under
>>> going.
>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make
>>> sure
>>>>> ICLA
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects are signed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo, which
>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> decided by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project owner or Dubbo community.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually we hope to move everything into Apache group
>>>>> except
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to
>>>>> dubbo.apache.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you mentioned, which make me concern more. Especially
>>> you
>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. The redirection has been completed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other files are archive for the old website before joining
>>>>> ASF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To make it better understandable, I think it is better to
>>>>> move them
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I update the description and readme, removing the word
>>>>> "eventually".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section
>>> Initial
>>>>>>>>>> Source,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Home
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the transfer has not been finished, you should wait
>>> for
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to dubbo.io
>>>>> has been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirected to dubbo.apache.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and
>>> host
>>>>> all in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If
>>> not,
>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to understand for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to
>>> either
>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Dubbo community do not have access to change the DNS
>>>>> record.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to
>>> dubbo.apache.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a block for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo
>>> group
>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You changed some. But if you look clearly about the
>>>>> logo(GitHub
>>>>>>>>>> org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are the
>>> same,
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them belong to ASF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which makes me think the branding has not been cleared.
>>>>>>>>>> Especially, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so
>>> this
>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be fixed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no objection to rename the organization if this is
>>> an
>>>>> issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is useful
>>> just
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another way is to create another group with something
>>> other
>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system temporarily
>>>>> before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition finishes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are going to
>>> be a
>>>>>>>>>> TLP, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what do
>>> you
>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own repo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the
>>> specific
>>>>> ones
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initial org, https://github.com/dubbo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/dubbo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道：
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects
>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo
>>> GitHub[1]
>>>>> org
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some
>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way(community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
>>>>> important.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under
>>> going.
>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make
>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>> ICLA
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move
>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group except for the repo [1] which serves redirection
>>>>> dubbo.io
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dubbo.apache.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo
>>> group
>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this group
>>> is
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hosting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dubbo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eco-system temporaryly before the transition finishes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope this can answer your concerns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Ian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu <
>>>>>>>>>> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
>>>>>>>>>> redirects
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects
>>> it
>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is
>>> being
>>>>>>>>>> taken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a
>>> number of
>>>>>>>>>> times
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g.
>>> [1][2]
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3][4].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is
>>> happening
>>>>> [5].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects
>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo
>>> GitHub[1]
>>>>> org
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some
>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way(community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
>>>>> important.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects/developers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please consider to make sure the branding is clear
>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been
>>> canceled,
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependancy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
>>>>>>>>>> started on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also
>>> note
>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PPMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not a blocker, this comes from the same reason
>>> I
>>>>> asked
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many media(s),
>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF project,
>>> and
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> PMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ready
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to find the license issue in first place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
>>>>>>>>>> 上午7:19写道：
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be Apache
>>>>> branding,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially the
>>> exact
>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
>>>>>>>>>> redirects
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other
>>> projects it
>>>>>>>>>> may be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is
>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>> taken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a
>>> number
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> times
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g.
>>> [1][2]
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3][4].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is
>>> happening
>>>>> [5].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using Apache
>>> mail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list[3].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would guess this is just an oversight, but if
>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PPMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comment on this that would be good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use the Dubbo
>>>>>>>>>> name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See [5].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release Apache
>>>>> Dubbo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue hasn't
>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inside
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain
>>>>> thing(maybe),
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment, it should not be included.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been
>>> canceled,
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependancy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a
>>> discussion
>>>>>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also
>>> note
>>>>>>>>>> it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PPMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best Regards！
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Huxing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project

[Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org>]

Hi,

I have summarized it here:

Dubbo code base: https://github.com/alibaba/dubbo  has been
transferred to  https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo
Spring Boot Support:
https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-spring-boot-project  has been
transferred to https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-spring-boot-project
Dubbo Admin Console: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-ops has been
transferred to https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-admin
Json RPC extension: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-rpc-jsonrpc has
been transferred to
https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-rpc-jsonrpc, and further
merged into incubator-dubbo, which can be deleted.
Home Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io, as summarized
before, this repo hosts dubbo.io which has been redirected to
https://dubbo.apache.org, and it will be deleted before May 31.

Dubbo Documentation:
- User guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-user-book-en
- Developer guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-dev-book-en
- Admin guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-admin-book-en
Dubbo Documentation (Chinese)
- User guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-user-book
- Developer guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-dev-book
- Admin guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-admin-book

These have been transferred to
https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-docs, and further merged to
https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-website.
I have noticed that https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-user-book-en has
been redirected to an archived project
https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-user-book-en. I've no idea how this
is happened, I think it should be removed.

Samples/Demo:
- https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-feature-test has been transferred to
https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-feature-test
- https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-docker-sample has been moved to
https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-samples and then deleted
- https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-http-demo has been moved to
https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-samples and then deleted
- https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-ws-demo has been moved to
https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-samples/ and then deleted

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 5:06 PM Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I am just asking the question about the repo in the proposal.
> Because all repo(s) in the proposal should have been moved into ASF.
> Could you add the status of all repo in your WIKI page?
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> 于2019年4月29日周一 下午4:59写道：
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:29 PM Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi
> > > Branding issues should be improved now. No concern for that.
> > >
> > > But, I have a question, which also needs the Dubbo community to clear.
> > >
> > > In the Dubbo incubator proposal[1], there are several repositories
> > > in Initial Source
> > > - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en [archieved in
> > chickenlj[2]
> > > personal repo]
> > > - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-admin-book-en [archieved in
> > chickenlj
> > > personal repo]
> > > - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-docker-sample [404]
> > > - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-http-demo [404]
> > > ...(and several others repos)
> > >
> > > Also, chickenlj[3] can't be found in Dubbo team[4]. Maybe really 'can't`,
> > > but I can't find a match by name(ken or ken.lj).
> > >
> > > Could someone tell me what is going on?
> >
> > chickenlj is Jun Liu, who has been listed on the PMC members. You can
> > find it in the resolution proposal.
> > I do not quite understand, what is the concern here?
> >
> > > Are these being included in the Dubbo website document, already?
> >
> > Yes. dubbo-dev-book-en, dubbo-admin-book-en, and etc. has been
> > transferred here[1], which just contains the documentation.
> > After Dubbo joins incubator, a new Dubbo website has been created, and
> > all the documentation has been merged into [2]
> >
> > > Or the proposal changed.
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-docs
> > [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-website
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> > > [2] https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en
> > > [3] https://github.com/chickenlj
> > > [4] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/docs/developers/developers_dev.html
> > >
> > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > >
> > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > >
> > >
> > > Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> 于2019年4月28日周日 下午11:05写道：
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I am wrapping the latest update from Dubbo community.
> > > >
> > > > - The avator of dubbo[1] group has been deleted
> > > > - The description of dubbo group has been rename as Eco System For
> > Apache
> > > > Dubbo
> > > > - A new group called thubbo[2] has been created
> > > > - All projects under dubbo group are renamed in xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > format in compliance with the policies
> > > > - For the 19 projects remaining in dubbo group, the Dubbo community
> > > > has contacted all the project owners, and got response from 18
> > > > projects[3]. Among them,
> > > >   * 14 projects will be transferred to ASF (13 of them will be
> > > > transferred by May 31st, 1 project will be transferred by June 30th)
> > > >   * 3 projects will be transferred outside dubbo group, with all
> > > > branding issues cleared.
> > > >   * 1 project (dubbo.github.io) will be deleted by May 31st. (redirect
> > > > dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org via dns)
> > > >   * The remaining 1 project (intellij-idea-plugin) will be transferred
> > > > to thubbo group if no response is received.
> > > >   * The detailed status has been summarized here[4].
> > > >   * If any project failed to be transferred before ETA, it will be
> > > > transferred to thubbo group instead.
> > > >
> > > > Given that all project has given ETA to be transferred to ASF/outside
> > > > dubbo, a suggestion is given that there is no need to move the
> > > > projects to thubbo group unless they are not transferred before ETA.
> > > >
> > > > The Dubbo community is seeking comments from the IPMC that whether
> > > > this proposal is OK or not. Any feedback will be appreciated. Hope
> > > > this could clear the concern from IPMC.
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > [2] https://github.com/thubbo
> > > > [3]
> > > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8dc772242181517e3159d583c6aa7d1fcf5ce6f321ebb9e882ab6ad@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > [4]
> > > >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:46 PM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dave & Others,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This "3rd party" site (https://github.com/dubbo) is used for
> > building
> > > > > > Dubbo's eco-system. Just as you said, It contains both the projects
> > > > which
> > > > > > will be donated and which may not, so the final goal for this "3rd
> > > > party"
> > > > > > site is pretty clear: it will contain and only contain projects
> > won't
> > > > > > donate, and if there's no project left eventually, this site does
> > not
> > > > > > necessarily exist.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What we're doing now is to solve the potential branding issues, in
> > > > order to
> > > > > > answer the challenges from whom wearing the trademark committee
> > hat.
> > > > It is
> > > > > > an ad-hoc actions since we need to solve this particular issue as
> > > > quickly
> > > > > > as possible. Here're what we are doing as short-term actions:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Rename dubbo group to other name. - not yet
> > > > >
> > > > > Or create a new group and move all the projects to it, left dubbo as
> > > > > an empty group. (The purpose is just to ensure nobody is trying to
> > > > > abuse it)
> > > > >
> > > > > > 2. Stop using Dubbo logo as group's avatar - done
> > > > > > 3. Rename all project names in compliance with the policies -
> > ongoing
> > > > >
> > > > > +1
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At the same time, I strongly agree with what Dave suggested for the
> > > > long
> > > > > > run plan. Here's what I propose (certainly this plan needs to be
> > vote
> > > > in
> > > > > > dubbo's mailing list):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. All projects will be transferred to Apache group with ETA
> > > > >
> > > > > I will try to discuss this with the project owners and Dubbo
> > community
> > > > > to work out a ETA.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 2. After that, all members in this group will be join Apache if
> > they
> > > > are
> > > > > > willing to (after they go through the vote certainly)
> > > > >
> > > > > As long as the project is under ASF, anyone can become committer by
> > > > > earning enough merit.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 3. After the transition is done, this particular group will be
> > deleted
> > > > >
> > > > > +1.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will init the vote for the long term plan in dubbo's community
> > > > today, and
> > > > > > we will get back with the concrete transition plan with ETA to the
> > > > board
> > > > > > meeting as soon as possible. I hope we can satisfy the IPMC by
> > doing
> > > > this.
> > > > > > Pls. let me know if this is sufficient. We can adjust the plan if
> > any
> > > > > > further suggestion comes up.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think the Dubbo community can deliver an improved version of [1] to
> > > > > IPMC, by filling all the blanks and with a new column ETA.
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> > > >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > -Ian.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:29 AM Dave Fisher <
> > dave2wave@comcast.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (With trademark committee hat)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Trademark resources can all be found from here:
> > > > > > > Trademark resources sitemap:
> > > > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
> > > > > > > PMC responsibility:
> > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility
> > > > > > > Improper third party uses:
> > > > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#police
> > > > > > > Formal policy: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don’t think that there is a formal policy to handle the
> > situation
> > > > where
> > > > > > > a transitional, "3rd party” site controlled by the PMC exists
> > that
> > > > will be
> > > > > > > phased out. Generally trademarks is looking for that PMC to be
> > > > working with
> > > > > > > and engaging 3rd parties to fix any branding issues.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think it is important to know what the goal is for the "3rd
> > party"
> > > > site
> > > > > > > is and when that will be achieved.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (Dubbo mentor hat)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think that rather than quickly responding by fixing various
> > issues
> > > > in an
> > > > > > > ad hoc manner it would be good to present the long term plan and
> > > > then agree
> > > > > > > on the needed language on the “3rd party site”
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For example, the treatment of “product” that will be donated
> > into the
> > > > > > > project codebase differs from “product” that won’t be. The “for
> > > > Apache
> > > > > > > Dubbo” makes no sense for product that will be moved into Dubbo.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The next board meeting is May 15th and there is time to carefully
> > > > address
> > > > > > > the plan to the satisfaction of the IPMC.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Dave
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Sheng Wu <
> > wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need
> > that
> > > > > > > > information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I used to read this from incubator discussions. Zipkin and
> > > > SkyWalking
> > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > facing that question. Could someone help about this?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jan Piotrowski <pi...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午11:29写道：
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Semi OT:
> > > > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> > > > that
> > > > > > > >> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need
> > that
> > > > > > > >> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> -J
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu <
> > > > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > > > >>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, especially for
> > > > these
> > > > > > > >> three.
> > > > > > > >>> I also used to see the traditional rename to
> > > > xxx-for-apache-project
> > > > > > > >>> 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > > > > >>> 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py
> > > > > > > >>> 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release
> > > > repo(npm), the
> > > > > > > >>> description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2]. Right?
> > > > > > > >>> If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking used
> > to
> > > > be
> > > > > > > asked
> > > > > > > >>> stop in the same case.
> > > > > > > >>> Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which
> > isn't.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js
> > > > > > > >>> [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > > >>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
> > 下午10:46写道：
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Hi
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
> > > > other
> > > > > > > >> name
> > > > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > > > > > > >>>> dubbo.github.io,
> > > > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to
> > keep
> > > > website
> > > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Please discuss with your community, then make the decision.
> > I
> > > > just
> > > > > > > >> reply
> > > > > > > >>>> the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the
> > > > > > > dubbo.github.io
> > > > > > > >> ,
> > > > > > > >>>> if the community wants), is also a good idea.
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my
> > concern. I
> > > > trust
> > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > >>>> Dubbo community could make it right.
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Thanks.
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > > >>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道：
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> Those two are good options. Please read my prev reply[1],
> > > > which
> > > > > > > >>>>> concerns me
> > > > > > > >>>>>> more are
> > > > > > > >>>>>> 1. Website codebase.
> > > > > > > >>>>>> 2. GitHub org name and logo.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be
> > disallowed,
> > > > we will
> > > > > > > >> do
> > > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > > >>>>> following things against dubbo group:
> > > > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
> > > > other
> > > > > > > name
> > > > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > > > > > > >> dubbo.github.io
> > > > > > > >>>>> ,
> > > > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to
> > keep
> > > > website
> > > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Let me know if your concerns will be completely addressed
> > once
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >> actions
> > > > > > > >>>>> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our
> > > > mentors and
> > > > > > > >>>>> hopefully get back to you soon.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > > > > > >>>>> -Ian.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <
> > > > huxing@apache.org>
> > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Hi.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under
> > going.
> > > > We
> > > > > > > >> cannot
> > > > > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make
> > sure
> > > > ICLA
> > > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> projects are signed,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo, which
> > is
> > > > > > > >> decided by
> > > > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> project owner or Dubbo community.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> eventually we hope to move everything into Apache group
> > > > except
> > > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to
> > > > dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> As you mentioned, which make me concern more. Especially
> > you
> > > > say
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> No. The redirection has been completed.
> > > > > > > >>>>>> You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io
> > > > > > > >>>>>> The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME.
> > > > > > > >>>>>> Other files are archive for the old website before joining
> > > > ASF.
> > > > > > > >>>>>> To make it better understandable, I think it is better to
> > > > move them
> > > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > > >>>>>> other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose.
> > > > > > > >>>>>> I update the description and readme, removing the word
> > > > "eventually".
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section
> > Initial
> > > > > > > >> Source,
> > > > > > > >>>>> "Home
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> If the transfer has not been finished, you should wait
> > for
> > > > that
> > > > > > > >> before
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to dubbo.io
> > > > has been
> > > > > > > >>>>>> redirected to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and
> > host
> > > > all in
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If
> > not,
> > > > which
> > > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > > >>>>>> harder
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> to understand for me.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to
> > either
> > > > Apache
> > > > > > > >> or
> > > > > > > >>>>>> Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF.
> > > > > > > >>>>>> The Dubbo community do not have access to change the DNS
> > > > record.
> > > > > > > >>>>>> The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to
> > dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> This is a block for me.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo
> > group
> > > > > > > >> like
> > > > > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> You changed some. But if you look clearly about the
> > > > logo(GitHub
> > > > > > > >> org
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are the
> > same,
> > > > > > > >> which
> > > > > > > >>>>> both
> > > > > > > >>>>>> of
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> them belong to ASF.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Which makes me think the branding has not been cleared.
> > > > > > > >> Especially, I
> > > > > > > >>>>>> think
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so
> > this
> > > > should
> > > > > > > >> be
> > > > > > > >>>>> able
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> to be fixed.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> I have no objection to rename the organization if this is
> > an
> > > > issue.
> > > > > > > >>>>>> I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is useful
> > just
> > > > for
> > > > > > > >>>>>> defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it.
> > > > > > > >>>>>> Another way is to create another group with something
> > other
> > > > than
> > > > > > > >>>>>> dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > > > > >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system temporarily
> > > > before the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> transition finishes.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are going to
> > be a
> > > > > > > >> TLP, the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what do
> > you
> > > > want
> > > > > > > >> about
> > > > > > > >>>>>> your
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> own repo.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the
> > specific
> > > > ones
> > > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> initial org, https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道：
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects
> > are
> > > > > > > >> done.
> > > > > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo
> > GitHub[1]
> > > > org
> > > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some
> > other
> > > > > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> > > > important.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under
> > going.
> > > > We
> > > > > > > >> cannot
> > > > > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make
> > sure
> > > > > > > >> ICLA
> > > > > > > >>>>> for
> > > > > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move
> > > > everything
> > > > > > > >> into
> > > > > > > >>>>>> Apache
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> group except for the repo [1] which serves redirection
> > > > dubbo.io
> > > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo
> > group
> > > > > > > >> like
> > > > > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this group
> > is
> > > > for
> > > > > > > >>>>> hosting
> > > > > > > >>>>>> dubbo
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> eco-system temporaryly before the transition finishes.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I hope this can answer your concerns.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> -Ian.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > > > > > > >> redirects
> > > > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects
> > it
> > > > may
> > > > > > > >> be
> > > > > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is
> > being
> > > > > > > >> taken.
> > > > > > > >>>>> The
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a
> > number of
> > > > > > > >> times
> > > > > > > >>>>> in
> > > > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g.
> > [1][2]
> > > > and
> > > > > > > >> more
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> recently
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is
> > happening
> > > > [5].
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects
> > are
> > > > > > > >> done.
> > > > > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo
> > GitHub[1]
> > > > org
> > > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some
> > other
> > > > > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> > > > important.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many
> > > > > > > >>>>>> projects/developers,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> so
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> please consider to make sure the branding is clear
> > before
> > > > > > > >>>>> graduation.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been
> > canceled,
> > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
> > > > > > > >> started on
> > > > > > > >>>>>> legal
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also
> > note
> > > > it
> > > > > > > >> was
> > > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> This is not a blocker, this comes from the same reason
> > I
> > > > asked
> > > > > > > >>>>> about
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> branding.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many media(s),
> > > > many
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF project,
> > and
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >> PMC
> > > > > > > >>>>> is
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ready
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> to find the license issue in first place.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
> > > > > > > >> 上午7:19写道：
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be Apache
> > > > branding,
> > > > > > > >>>>> then
> > > > > > > >>>>>> why
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially the
> > exact
> > > > > > > >> name
> > > > > > > >>>>> and
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> logo.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > > > > > > >> redirects
> > > > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other
> > projects it
> > > > > > > >> may be
> > > > > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is
> > being
> > > > > > > >>>>> taken.
> > > > > > > >>>>>> The
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a
> > number
> > > > of
> > > > > > > >>>>> times
> > > > > > > >>>>>> in
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g.
> > [1][2]
> > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > >>>>> more
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> recently
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is
> > happening
> > > > [5].
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using Apache
> > mail
> > > > > > > >>>>>> list[3].
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> But
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I would guess this is just an oversight, but if
> > someone
> > > > > > > >> from the
> > > > > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> can
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> comment on this that would be good.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use the Dubbo
> > > > > > > >> name.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> See [5].
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release Apache
> > > > Dubbo
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue hasn't
> > been
> > > > > > > >>>>>> addressed
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> inside
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain
> > > > thing(maybe),
> > > > > > > >>>>> but at
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> this
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> moment, it should not be included.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been
> > canceled,
> > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a
> > discussion
> > > > > > > >> started
> > > > > > > >>>>> on
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> legal
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also
> > note
> > > > > > > >> it was
> > > > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Justin
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 1.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 3.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 4.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 5.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project

[Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>]

Hi

I am just asking the question about the repo in the proposal.
Because all repo(s) in the proposal should have been moved into ASF.
Could you add the status of all repo in your WIKI page?

Sheng Wu 吴晟

Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108


Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> 于2019年4月29日周一 下午4:59写道：

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:29 PM Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> > Branding issues should be improved now. No concern for that.
> >
> > But, I have a question, which also needs the Dubbo community to clear.
> >
> > In the Dubbo incubator proposal[1], there are several repositories
> > in Initial Source
> > - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en [archieved in
> chickenlj[2]
> > personal repo]
> > - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-admin-book-en [archieved in
> chickenlj
> > personal repo]
> > - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-docker-sample [404]
> > - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-http-demo [404]
> > ...(and several others repos)
> >
> > Also, chickenlj[3] can't be found in Dubbo team[4]. Maybe really 'can't`,
> > but I can't find a match by name(ken or ken.lj).
> >
> > Could someone tell me what is going on?
>
> chickenlj is Jun Liu, who has been listed on the PMC members. You can
> find it in the resolution proposal.
> I do not quite understand, what is the concern here?
>
> > Are these being included in the Dubbo website document, already?
>
> Yes. dubbo-dev-book-en, dubbo-admin-book-en, and etc. has been
> transferred here[1], which just contains the documentation.
> After Dubbo joins incubator, a new Dubbo website has been created, and
> all the documentation has been merged into [2]
>
> > Or the proposal changed.
>
> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-docs
> [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-website
>
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> > [2] https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en
> > [3] https://github.com/chickenlj
> > [4] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/docs/developers/developers_dev.html
> >
> > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> >
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> > Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> 于2019年4月28日周日 下午11:05写道：
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I am wrapping the latest update from Dubbo community.
> > >
> > > - The avator of dubbo[1] group has been deleted
> > > - The description of dubbo group has been rename as Eco System For
> Apache
> > > Dubbo
> > > - A new group called thubbo[2] has been created
> > > - All projects under dubbo group are renamed in xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > format in compliance with the policies
> > > - For the 19 projects remaining in dubbo group, the Dubbo community
> > > has contacted all the project owners, and got response from 18
> > > projects[3]. Among them,
> > >   * 14 projects will be transferred to ASF (13 of them will be
> > > transferred by May 31st, 1 project will be transferred by June 30th)
> > >   * 3 projects will be transferred outside dubbo group, with all
> > > branding issues cleared.
> > >   * 1 project (dubbo.github.io) will be deleted by May 31st. (redirect
> > > dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org via dns)
> > >   * The remaining 1 project (intellij-idea-plugin) will be transferred
> > > to thubbo group if no response is received.
> > >   * The detailed status has been summarized here[4].
> > >   * If any project failed to be transferred before ETA, it will be
> > > transferred to thubbo group instead.
> > >
> > > Given that all project has given ETA to be transferred to ASF/outside
> > > dubbo, a suggestion is given that there is no need to move the
> > > projects to thubbo group unless they are not transferred before ETA.
> > >
> > > The Dubbo community is seeking comments from the IPMC that whether
> > > this proposal is OK or not. Any feedback will be appreciated. Hope
> > > this could clear the concern from IPMC.
> > >
> > > [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > [2] https://github.com/thubbo
> > > [3]
> > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8dc772242181517e3159d583c6aa7d1fcf5ce6f321ebb9e882ab6ad@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > [4]
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:46 PM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave & Others,
> > > > >
> > > > > This "3rd party" site (https://github.com/dubbo) is used for
> building
> > > > > Dubbo's eco-system. Just as you said, It contains both the projects
> > > which
> > > > > will be donated and which may not, so the final goal for this "3rd
> > > party"
> > > > > site is pretty clear: it will contain and only contain projects
> won't
> > > > > donate, and if there's no project left eventually, this site does
> not
> > > > > necessarily exist.
> > > > >
> > > > > What we're doing now is to solve the potential branding issues, in
> > > order to
> > > > > answer the challenges from whom wearing the trademark committee
> hat.
> > > It is
> > > > > an ad-hoc actions since we need to solve this particular issue as
> > > quickly
> > > > > as possible. Here're what we are doing as short-term actions:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Rename dubbo group to other name. - not yet
> > > >
> > > > Or create a new group and move all the projects to it, left dubbo as
> > > > an empty group. (The purpose is just to ensure nobody is trying to
> > > > abuse it)
> > > >
> > > > > 2. Stop using Dubbo logo as group's avatar - done
> > > > > 3. Rename all project names in compliance with the policies -
> ongoing
> > > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > At the same time, I strongly agree with what Dave suggested for the
> > > long
> > > > > run plan. Here's what I propose (certainly this plan needs to be
> vote
> > > in
> > > > > dubbo's mailing list):
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. All projects will be transferred to Apache group with ETA
> > > >
> > > > I will try to discuss this with the project owners and Dubbo
> community
> > > > to work out a ETA.
> > > >
> > > > > 2. After that, all members in this group will be join Apache if
> they
> > > are
> > > > > willing to (after they go through the vote certainly)
> > > >
> > > > As long as the project is under ASF, anyone can become committer by
> > > > earning enough merit.
> > > >
> > > > > 3. After the transition is done, this particular group will be
> deleted
> > > >
> > > > +1.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I will init the vote for the long term plan in dubbo's community
> > > today, and
> > > > > we will get back with the concrete transition plan with ETA to the
> > > board
> > > > > meeting as soon as possible. I hope we can satisfy the IPMC by
> doing
> > > this.
> > > > > Pls. let me know if this is sufficient. We can adjust the plan if
> any
> > > > > further suggestion comes up.
> > > >
> > > > I think the Dubbo community can deliver an improved version of [1] to
> > > > IPMC, by filling all the blanks and with a new column ETA.
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > -Ian.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:29 AM Dave Fisher <
> dave2wave@comcast.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (With trademark committee hat)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Trademark resources can all be found from here:
> > > > > > Trademark resources sitemap:
> > > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
> > > > > > PMC responsibility:
> > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility
> > > > > > Improper third party uses:
> > > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#police
> > > > > > Formal policy: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don’t think that there is a formal policy to handle the
> situation
> > > where
> > > > > > a transitional, "3rd party” site controlled by the PMC exists
> that
> > > will be
> > > > > > phased out. Generally trademarks is looking for that PMC to be
> > > working with
> > > > > > and engaging 3rd parties to fix any branding issues.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think it is important to know what the goal is for the "3rd
> party"
> > > site
> > > > > > is and when that will be achieved.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (Dubbo mentor hat)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think that rather than quickly responding by fixing various
> issues
> > > in an
> > > > > > ad hoc manner it would be good to present the long term plan and
> > > then agree
> > > > > > on the needed language on the “3rd party site”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For example, the treatment of “product” that will be donated
> into the
> > > > > > project codebase differs from “product” that won’t be. The “for
> > > Apache
> > > > > > Dubbo” makes no sense for product that will be moved into Dubbo.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The next board meeting is May 15th and there is time to carefully
> > > address
> > > > > > the plan to the satisfaction of the IPMC.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Dave
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Sheng Wu <
> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> > > that
> > > > > > > such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need
> that
> > > > > > > information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I used to read this from incubator discussions. Zipkin and
> > > SkyWalking
> > > > > > were
> > > > > > > facing that question. Could someone help about this?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jan Piotrowski <pi...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午11:29写道：
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Semi OT:
> > > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> > > that
> > > > > > >> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need
> that
> > > > > > >> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> -J
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu <
> > > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > > >>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, especially for
> > > these
> > > > > > >> three.
> > > > > > >>> I also used to see the traditional rename to
> > > xxx-for-apache-project
> > > > > > >>> 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > > > >>> 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py
> > > > > > >>> 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release
> > > repo(npm), the
> > > > > > >>> description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2]. Right?
> > > > > > >>> If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking used
> to
> > > be
> > > > > > asked
> > > > > > >>> stop in the same case.
> > > > > > >>> Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which
> isn't.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js
> > > > > > >>> [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > >>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
> 下午10:46写道：
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Hi
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
> > > other
> > > > > > >> name
> > > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > > > > > >>>> dubbo.github.io,
> > > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to
> keep
> > > website
> > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Please discuss with your community, then make the decision.
> I
> > > just
> > > > > > >> reply
> > > > > > >>>> the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the
> > > > > > dubbo.github.io
> > > > > > >> ,
> > > > > > >>>> if the community wants), is also a good idea.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my
> concern. I
> > > trust
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >>>> Dubbo community could make it right.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Thanks.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > >>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道：
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Those two are good options. Please read my prev reply[1],
> > > which
> > > > > > >>>>> concerns me
> > > > > > >>>>>> more are
> > > > > > >>>>>> 1. Website codebase.
> > > > > > >>>>>> 2. GitHub org name and logo.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be
> disallowed,
> > > we will
> > > > > > >> do
> > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>> following things against dubbo group:
> > > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
> > > other
> > > > > > name
> > > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > > > > > >> dubbo.github.io
> > > > > > >>>>> ,
> > > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to
> keep
> > > website
> > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Let me know if your concerns will be completely addressed
> once
> > > the
> > > > > > >> actions
> > > > > > >>>>> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our
> > > mentors and
> > > > > > >>>>> hopefully get back to you soon.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > > > > >>>>> -Ian.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <
> > > huxing@apache.org>
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Hi.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under
> going.
> > > We
> > > > > > >> cannot
> > > > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > > > >>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make
> sure
> > > ICLA
> > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > > > >>>>>>> projects are signed,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo, which
> is
> > > > > > >> decided by
> > > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>> project owner or Dubbo community.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> eventually we hope to move everything into Apache group
> > > except
> > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>> repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to
> > > dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> As you mentioned, which make me concern more. Especially
> you
> > > say
> > > > > > >>>>>>> `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional?
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> No. The redirection has been completed.
> > > > > > >>>>>> You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io
> > > > > > >>>>>> The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME.
> > > > > > >>>>>> Other files are archive for the old website before joining
> > > ASF.
> > > > > > >>>>>> To make it better understandable, I think it is better to
> > > move them
> > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > >>>>>> other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose.
> > > > > > >>>>>> I update the description and readme, removing the word
> > > "eventually".
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section
> Initial
> > > > > > >> Source,
> > > > > > >>>>> "Home
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"
> > > > > > >>>>>>> If the transfer has not been finished, you should wait
> for
> > > that
> > > > > > >> before
> > > > > > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to dubbo.io
> > > has been
> > > > > > >>>>>> redirected to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and
> host
> > > all in
> > > > > > >>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If
> not,
> > > which
> > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > >>>>>> harder
> > > > > > >>>>>>> to understand for me.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to
> either
> > > Apache
> > > > > > >> or
> > > > > > >>>>>> Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF.
> > > > > > >>>>>> The Dubbo community do not have access to change the DNS
> > > record.
> > > > > > >>>>>> The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to
> dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> This is a block for me.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo
> group
> > > > > > >> like
> > > > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> You changed some. But if you look clearly about the
> > > logo(GitHub
> > > > > > >> org
> > > > > > >>>>>>> avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are the
> same,
> > > > > > >> which
> > > > > > >>>>> both
> > > > > > >>>>>> of
> > > > > > >>>>>>> them belong to ASF.
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Which makes me think the branding has not been cleared.
> > > > > > >> Especially, I
> > > > > > >>>>>> think
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so
> this
> > > should
> > > > > > >> be
> > > > > > >>>>> able
> > > > > > >>>>>>> to be fixed.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> I have no objection to rename the organization if this is
> an
> > > issue.
> > > > > > >>>>>> I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is useful
> just
> > > for
> > > > > > >>>>>> defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it.
> > > > > > >>>>>> Another way is to create another group with something
> other
> > > than
> > > > > > >>>>>> dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > > > >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
> > > > > > >>>>>>> this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system temporarily
> > > before the
> > > > > > >>>>>>> transition finishes.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are going to
> be a
> > > > > > >> TLP, the
> > > > > > >>>>>>> PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what do
> you
> > > want
> > > > > > >> about
> > > > > > >>>>>> your
> > > > > > >>>>>>> own repo.
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the
> specific
> > > ones
> > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>> initial org, https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> > > > > > >>>>>>> [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
> > > > > > >>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道：
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects
> are
> > > > > > >> done.
> > > > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo
> GitHub[1]
> > > org
> > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some
> other
> > > > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> > > important.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under
> going.
> > > We
> > > > > > >> cannot
> > > > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make
> sure
> > > > > > >> ICLA
> > > > > > >>>>> for
> > > > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move
> > > everything
> > > > > > >> into
> > > > > > >>>>>> Apache
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> group except for the repo [1] which serves redirection
> > > dubbo.io
> > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo
> group
> > > > > > >> like
> > > > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this group
> is
> > > for
> > > > > > >>>>> hosting
> > > > > > >>>>>> dubbo
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> eco-system temporaryly before the transition finishes.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> I hope this can answer your concerns.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> -Ian.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > > > > > >> redirects
> > > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects
> it
> > > may
> > > > > > >> be
> > > > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is
> being
> > > > > > >> taken.
> > > > > > >>>>> The
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a
> number of
> > > > > > >> times
> > > > > > >>>>> in
> > > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g.
> [1][2]
> > > and
> > > > > > >> more
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> recently
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is
> happening
> > > [5].
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects
> are
> > > > > > >> done.
> > > > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo
> GitHub[1]
> > > org
> > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some
> other
> > > > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> > > important.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many
> > > > > > >>>>>> projects/developers,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> so
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> please consider to make sure the branding is clear
> before
> > > > > > >>>>> graduation.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been
> canceled,
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
> > > > > > >> started on
> > > > > > >>>>>> legal
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also
> note
> > > it
> > > > > > >> was
> > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> This is not a blocker, this comes from the same reason
> I
> > > asked
> > > > > > >>>>> about
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> branding.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many media(s),
> > > many
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF project,
> and
> > > the
> > > > > > >> PMC
> > > > > > >>>>> is
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> ready
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> to find the license issue in first place.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
> > > > > > >> 上午7:19写道：
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be Apache
> > > branding,
> > > > > > >>>>> then
> > > > > > >>>>>> why
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially the
> exact
> > > > > > >> name
> > > > > > >>>>> and
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> logo.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > > > > > >> redirects
> > > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other
> projects it
> > > > > > >> may be
> > > > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is
> being
> > > > > > >>>>> taken.
> > > > > > >>>>>> The
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a
> number
> > > of
> > > > > > >>>>> times
> > > > > > >>>>>> in
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g.
> [1][2]
> > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > >>>>> more
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> recently
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is
> happening
> > > [5].
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using Apache
> mail
> > > > > > >>>>>> list[3].
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> But
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I would guess this is just an oversight, but if
> someone
> > > > > > >> from the
> > > > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> can
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> comment on this that would be good.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use the Dubbo
> > > > > > >> name.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> See [5].
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release Apache
> > > Dubbo
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue hasn't
> been
> > > > > > >>>>>> addressed
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> inside
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain
> > > thing(maybe),
> > > > > > >>>>> but at
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> this
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> moment, it should not be included.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been
> canceled,
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a
> discussion
> > > > > > >> started
> > > > > > >>>>> on
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> legal
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also
> note
> > > > > > >> it was
> > > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Justin
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 1.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 3.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 4.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 5.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>
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> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> --
> > > > > > >>>>>> Best Regards！
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Huxing
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project

[Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org>]

Hi,

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:29 PM Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
> Branding issues should be improved now. No concern for that.
>
> But, I have a question, which also needs the Dubbo community to clear.
>
> In the Dubbo incubator proposal[1], there are several repositories
> in Initial Source
> - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en [archieved in chickenlj[2]
> personal repo]
> - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-admin-book-en [archieved in chickenlj
> personal repo]
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-docker-sample [404]
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-http-demo [404]
> ...(and several others repos)
>
> Also, chickenlj[3] can't be found in Dubbo team[4]. Maybe really 'can't`,
> but I can't find a match by name(ken or ken.lj).
>
> Could someone tell me what is going on?

chickenlj is Jun Liu, who has been listed on the PMC members. You can
find it in the resolution proposal.
I do not quite understand, what is the concern here?

> Are these being included in the Dubbo website document, already?

Yes. dubbo-dev-book-en, dubbo-admin-book-en, and etc. has been
transferred here[1], which just contains the documentation.
After Dubbo joins incubator, a new Dubbo website has been created, and
all the documentation has been merged into [2]

> Or the proposal changed.

[1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-docs
[2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-website

>
> Thanks.
>
> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> [2] https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en
> [3] https://github.com/chickenlj
> [4] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/docs/developers/developers_dev.html
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> 于2019年4月28日周日 下午11:05写道：
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am wrapping the latest update from Dubbo community.
> >
> > - The avator of dubbo[1] group has been deleted
> > - The description of dubbo group has been rename as Eco System For Apache
> > Dubbo
> > - A new group called thubbo[2] has been created
> > - All projects under dubbo group are renamed in xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > format in compliance with the policies
> > - For the 19 projects remaining in dubbo group, the Dubbo community
> > has contacted all the project owners, and got response from 18
> > projects[3]. Among them,
> >   * 14 projects will be transferred to ASF (13 of them will be
> > transferred by May 31st, 1 project will be transferred by June 30th)
> >   * 3 projects will be transferred outside dubbo group, with all
> > branding issues cleared.
> >   * 1 project (dubbo.github.io) will be deleted by May 31st. (redirect
> > dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org via dns)
> >   * The remaining 1 project (intellij-idea-plugin) will be transferred
> > to thubbo group if no response is received.
> >   * The detailed status has been summarized here[4].
> >   * If any project failed to be transferred before ETA, it will be
> > transferred to thubbo group instead.
> >
> > Given that all project has given ETA to be transferred to ASF/outside
> > dubbo, a suggestion is given that there is no need to move the
> > projects to thubbo group unless they are not transferred before ETA.
> >
> > The Dubbo community is seeking comments from the IPMC that whether
> > this proposal is OK or not. Any feedback will be appreciated. Hope
> > this could clear the concern from IPMC.
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > [2] https://github.com/thubbo
> > [3]
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8dc772242181517e3159d583c6aa7d1fcf5ce6f321ebb9e882ab6ad@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > [4]
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:46 PM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dave & Others,
> > > >
> > > > This "3rd party" site (https://github.com/dubbo) is used for building
> > > > Dubbo's eco-system. Just as you said, It contains both the projects
> > which
> > > > will be donated and which may not, so the final goal for this "3rd
> > party"
> > > > site is pretty clear: it will contain and only contain projects won't
> > > > donate, and if there's no project left eventually, this site does not
> > > > necessarily exist.
> > > >
> > > > What we're doing now is to solve the potential branding issues, in
> > order to
> > > > answer the challenges from whom wearing the trademark committee hat.
> > It is
> > > > an ad-hoc actions since we need to solve this particular issue as
> > quickly
> > > > as possible. Here're what we are doing as short-term actions:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Rename dubbo group to other name. - not yet
> > >
> > > Or create a new group and move all the projects to it, left dubbo as
> > > an empty group. (The purpose is just to ensure nobody is trying to
> > > abuse it)
> > >
> > > > 2. Stop using Dubbo logo as group's avatar - done
> > > > 3. Rename all project names in compliance with the policies - ongoing
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At the same time, I strongly agree with what Dave suggested for the
> > long
> > > > run plan. Here's what I propose (certainly this plan needs to be vote
> > in
> > > > dubbo's mailing list):
> > > >
> > > > 1. All projects will be transferred to Apache group with ETA
> > >
> > > I will try to discuss this with the project owners and Dubbo community
> > > to work out a ETA.
> > >
> > > > 2. After that, all members in this group will be join Apache if they
> > are
> > > > willing to (after they go through the vote certainly)
> > >
> > > As long as the project is under ASF, anyone can become committer by
> > > earning enough merit.
> > >
> > > > 3. After the transition is done, this particular group will be deleted
> > >
> > > +1.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I will init the vote for the long term plan in dubbo's community
> > today, and
> > > > we will get back with the concrete transition plan with ETA to the
> > board
> > > > meeting as soon as possible. I hope we can satisfy the IPMC by doing
> > this.
> > > > Pls. let me know if this is sufficient. We can adjust the plan if any
> > > > further suggestion comes up.
> > >
> > > I think the Dubbo community can deliver an improved version of [1] to
> > > IPMC, by filling all the blanks and with a new column ETA.
> > >
> > > [1]
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > -Ian.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:29 AM Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi -
> > > > >
> > > > > (With trademark committee hat)
> > > > >
> > > > > Trademark resources can all be found from here:
> > > > > Trademark resources sitemap:
> > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
> > > > > PMC responsibility:
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility
> > > > > Improper third party uses:
> > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#police
> > > > > Formal policy: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
> > > > >
> > > > > I don’t think that there is a formal policy to handle the situation
> > where
> > > > > a transitional, "3rd party” site controlled by the PMC exists that
> > will be
> > > > > phased out. Generally trademarks is looking for that PMC to be
> > working with
> > > > > and engaging 3rd parties to fix any branding issues.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it is important to know what the goal is for the "3rd party"
> > site
> > > > > is and when that will be achieved.
> > > > >
> > > > > (Dubbo mentor hat)
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that rather than quickly responding by fixing various issues
> > in an
> > > > > ad hoc manner it would be good to present the long term plan and
> > then agree
> > > > > on the needed language on the “3rd party site”
> > > > >
> > > > > For example, the treatment of “product” that will be donated into the
> > > > > project codebase differs from “product” that won’t be. The “for
> > Apache
> > > > > Dubbo” makes no sense for product that will be moved into Dubbo.
> > > > >
> > > > > The next board meeting is May 15th and there is time to carefully
> > address
> > > > > the plan to the satisfaction of the IPMC.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> > that
> > > > > > such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need that
> > > > > > information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I used to read this from incubator discussions. Zipkin and
> > SkyWalking
> > > > > were
> > > > > > facing that question. Could someone help about this?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jan Piotrowski <pi...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午11:29写道：
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Semi OT:
> > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> > that
> > > > > >> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need that
> > > > > >> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -J
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu <
> > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > >>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, especially for
> > these
> > > > > >> three.
> > > > > >>> I also used to see the traditional rename to
> > xxx-for-apache-project
> > > > > >>> 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > > >>> 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py
> > > > > >>> 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release
> > repo(npm), the
> > > > > >>> description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2]. Right?
> > > > > >>> If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking used to
> > be
> > > > > asked
> > > > > >>> stop in the same case.
> > > > > >>> Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which isn't.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js
> > > > > >>> [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > >>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:46写道：
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Hi
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
> > other
> > > > > >> name
> > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > > > > >>>> dubbo.github.io,
> > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep
> > website
> > > > > >> in
> > > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Please discuss with your community, then make the decision. I
> > just
> > > > > >> reply
> > > > > >>>> the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the
> > > > > dubbo.github.io
> > > > > >> ,
> > > > > >>>> if the community wants), is also a good idea.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my concern. I
> > trust
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >>>> Dubbo community could make it right.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Thanks.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > >>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道：
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Those two are good options. Please read my prev reply[1],
> > which
> > > > > >>>>> concerns me
> > > > > >>>>>> more are
> > > > > >>>>>> 1. Website codebase.
> > > > > >>>>>> 2. GitHub org name and logo.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be disallowed,
> > we will
> > > > > >> do
> > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>> following things against dubbo group:
> > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
> > other
> > > > > name
> > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > > > > >> dubbo.github.io
> > > > > >>>>> ,
> > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep
> > website
> > > > > >> in
> > > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Let me know if your concerns will be completely addressed once
> > the
> > > > > >> actions
> > > > > >>>>> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our
> > mentors and
> > > > > >>>>> hopefully get back to you soon.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > > > >>>>> -Ian.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <
> > huxing@apache.org>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Hi.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going.
> > We
> > > > > >> cannot
> > > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > > >>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make sure
> > ICLA
> > > > > >> for
> > > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > > >>>>>>> projects are signed,
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo, which is
> > > > > >> decided by
> > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>> project owner or Dubbo community.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> eventually we hope to move everything into Apache group
> > except
> > > > > >> for
> > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>> repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to
> > dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> As you mentioned, which make me concern more. Especially you
> > say
> > > > > >>>>>>> `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional?
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> No. The redirection has been completed.
> > > > > >>>>>> You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io
> > > > > >>>>>> The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME.
> > > > > >>>>>> Other files are archive for the old website before joining
> > ASF.
> > > > > >>>>>> To make it better understandable, I think it is better to
> > move them
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >>>>>> other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose.
> > > > > >>>>>> I update the description and readme, removing the word
> > "eventually".
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section Initial
> > > > > >> Source,
> > > > > >>>>> "Home
> > > > > >>>>>>> Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"
> > > > > >>>>>>> If the transfer has not been finished, you should wait for
> > that
> > > > > >> before
> > > > > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to dubbo.io
> > has been
> > > > > >>>>>> redirected to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and host
> > all in
> > > > > >>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If not,
> > which
> > > > > >> is
> > > > > >>>>>> harder
> > > > > >>>>>>> to understand for me.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to either
> > Apache
> > > > > >> or
> > > > > >>>>>> Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF.
> > > > > >>>>>> The Dubbo community do not have access to change the DNS
> > record.
> > > > > >>>>>> The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> This is a block for me.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group
> > > > > >> like
> > > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> You changed some. But if you look clearly about the
> > logo(GitHub
> > > > > >> org
> > > > > >>>>>>> avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are the same,
> > > > > >> which
> > > > > >>>>> both
> > > > > >>>>>> of
> > > > > >>>>>>> them belong to ASF.
> > > > > >>>>>>> Which makes me think the branding has not been cleared.
> > > > > >> Especially, I
> > > > > >>>>>> think
> > > > > >>>>>>> Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so this
> > should
> > > > > >> be
> > > > > >>>>> able
> > > > > >>>>>>> to be fixed.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> I have no objection to rename the organization if this is an
> > issue.
> > > > > >>>>>> I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is useful just
> > for
> > > > > >>>>>> defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it.
> > > > > >>>>>> Another way is to create another group with something other
> > than
> > > > > >>>>>> dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > > >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
> > > > > >>>>>>> this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system temporarily
> > before the
> > > > > >>>>>>> transition finishes.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are going to be a
> > > > > >> TLP, the
> > > > > >>>>>>> PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what do you
> > want
> > > > > >> about
> > > > > >>>>>> your
> > > > > >>>>>>> own repo.
> > > > > >>>>>>> Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the specific
> > ones
> > > > > >> in
> > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>> initial org, https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> > > > > >>>>>>> [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
> > > > > >>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > >>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道：
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are
> > > > > >> done.
> > > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
> > org
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other
> > > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> > important.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going.
> > We
> > > > > >> cannot
> > > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > > >>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make sure
> > > > > >> ICLA
> > > > > >>>>> for
> > > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > > >>>>>>>> projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move
> > everything
> > > > > >> into
> > > > > >>>>>> Apache
> > > > > >>>>>>>> group except for the repo [1] which serves redirection
> > dubbo.io
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >>>>>>>> dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group
> > > > > >> like
> > > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this group is
> > for
> > > > > >>>>> hosting
> > > > > >>>>>> dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>>>> eco-system temporaryly before the transition finishes.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> I hope this can answer your concerns.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> -Ian.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > > > > >> redirects
> > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it
> > may
> > > > > >> be
> > > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is being
> > > > > >> taken.
> > > > > >>>>> The
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number of
> > > > > >> times
> > > > > >>>>> in
> > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g. [1][2]
> > and
> > > > > >> more
> > > > > >>>>>>>> recently
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is happening
> > [5].
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are
> > > > > >> done.
> > > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
> > org
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other
> > > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> > important.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many
> > > > > >>>>>> projects/developers,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> so
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> please consider to make sure the branding is clear before
> > > > > >>>>> graduation.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled,
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
> > > > > >> started on
> > > > > >>>>>> legal
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note
> > it
> > > > > >> was
> > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> This is not a blocker, this comes from the same reason I
> > asked
> > > > > >>>>> about
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> branding.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many media(s),
> > many
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF project, and
> > the
> > > > > >> PMC
> > > > > >>>>> is
> > > > > >>>>>>>> ready
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> to find the license issue in first place.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
> > > > > >> 上午7:19写道：
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be Apache
> > branding,
> > > > > >>>>> then
> > > > > >>>>>> why
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially the exact
> > > > > >> name
> > > > > >>>>> and
> > > > > >>>>>>>> logo.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > > > > >> redirects
> > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it
> > > > > >> may be
> > > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is being
> > > > > >>>>> taken.
> > > > > >>>>>> The
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number
> > of
> > > > > >>>>> times
> > > > > >>>>>> in
> > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g. [1][2]
> > > > > >> and
> > > > > >>>>> more
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> recently
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is happening
> > [5].
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using Apache mail
> > > > > >>>>>> list[3].
> > > > > >>>>>>>> But
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I would guess this is just an oversight, but if someone
> > > > > >> from the
> > > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > >>>>>>>> can
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> comment on this that would be good.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use the Dubbo
> > > > > >> name.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> See [5].
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release Apache
> > Dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue hasn't been
> > > > > >>>>>> addressed
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> inside
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain
> > thing(maybe),
> > > > > >>>>> but at
> > > > > >>>>>>>> this
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> moment, it should not be included.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled,
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
> > > > > >> started
> > > > > >>>>> on
> > > > > >>>>>>>> legal
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note
> > > > > >> it was
> > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Justin
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 1.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 3.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 4.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 5.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
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> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> --
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> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project

[Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>]

Hi
Branding issues should be improved now. No concern for that.

But, I have a question, which also needs the Dubbo community to clear.

In the Dubbo incubator proposal[1], there are several repositories
in Initial Source
- https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en [archieved in chickenlj[2]
personal repo]
- https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-admin-book-en [archieved in chickenlj
personal repo]
- https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-docker-sample [404]
- https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-http-demo [404]
...(and several others repos)

Also, chickenlj[3] can't be found in Dubbo team[4]. Maybe really 'can't`,
but I can't find a match by name(ken or ken.lj).

Could someone tell me what is going on?
Are these being included in the Dubbo website document, already? Or the
proposal changed.

Thanks.

[1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
[2] https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en
[3] https://github.com/chickenlj
[4] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/docs/developers/developers_dev.html

Sheng Wu 吴晟

Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108


Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> 于2019年4月28日周日 下午11:05写道：

> Hi,
>
> I am wrapping the latest update from Dubbo community.
>
> - The avator of dubbo[1] group has been deleted
> - The description of dubbo group has been rename as Eco System For Apache
> Dubbo
> - A new group called thubbo[2] has been created
> - All projects under dubbo group are renamed in xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> format in compliance with the policies
> - For the 19 projects remaining in dubbo group, the Dubbo community
> has contacted all the project owners, and got response from 18
> projects[3]. Among them,
>   * 14 projects will be transferred to ASF (13 of them will be
> transferred by May 31st, 1 project will be transferred by June 30th)
>   * 3 projects will be transferred outside dubbo group, with all
> branding issues cleared.
>   * 1 project (dubbo.github.io) will be deleted by May 31st. (redirect
> dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org via dns)
>   * The remaining 1 project (intellij-idea-plugin) will be transferred
> to thubbo group if no response is received.
>   * The detailed status has been summarized here[4].
>   * If any project failed to be transferred before ETA, it will be
> transferred to thubbo group instead.
>
> Given that all project has given ETA to be transferred to ASF/outside
> dubbo, a suggestion is given that there is no need to move the
> projects to thubbo group unless they are not transferred before ETA.
>
> The Dubbo community is seeking comments from the IPMC that whether
> this proposal is OK or not. Any feedback will be appreciated. Hope
> this could clear the concern from IPMC.
>
> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> [2] https://github.com/thubbo
> [3]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8dc772242181517e3159d583c6aa7d1fcf5ce6f321ebb9e882ab6ad@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> [4]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:46 PM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dave & Others,
> > >
> > > This "3rd party" site (https://github.com/dubbo) is used for building
> > > Dubbo's eco-system. Just as you said, It contains both the projects
> which
> > > will be donated and which may not, so the final goal for this "3rd
> party"
> > > site is pretty clear: it will contain and only contain projects won't
> > > donate, and if there's no project left eventually, this site does not
> > > necessarily exist.
> > >
> > > What we're doing now is to solve the potential branding issues, in
> order to
> > > answer the challenges from whom wearing the trademark committee hat.
> It is
> > > an ad-hoc actions since we need to solve this particular issue as
> quickly
> > > as possible. Here're what we are doing as short-term actions:
> > >
> > > 1. Rename dubbo group to other name. - not yet
> >
> > Or create a new group and move all the projects to it, left dubbo as
> > an empty group. (The purpose is just to ensure nobody is trying to
> > abuse it)
> >
> > > 2. Stop using Dubbo logo as group's avatar - done
> > > 3. Rename all project names in compliance with the policies - ongoing
> >
> > +1
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > At the same time, I strongly agree with what Dave suggested for the
> long
> > > run plan. Here's what I propose (certainly this plan needs to be vote
> in
> > > dubbo's mailing list):
> > >
> > > 1. All projects will be transferred to Apache group with ETA
> >
> > I will try to discuss this with the project owners and Dubbo community
> > to work out a ETA.
> >
> > > 2. After that, all members in this group will be join Apache if they
> are
> > > willing to (after they go through the vote certainly)
> >
> > As long as the project is under ASF, anyone can become committer by
> > earning enough merit.
> >
> > > 3. After the transition is done, this particular group will be deleted
> >
> > +1.
> >
> > >
> > > I will init the vote for the long term plan in dubbo's community
> today, and
> > > we will get back with the concrete transition plan with ETA to the
> board
> > > meeting as soon as possible. I hope we can satisfy the IPMC by doing
> this.
> > > Pls. let me know if this is sufficient. We can adjust the plan if any
> > > further suggestion comes up.
> >
> > I think the Dubbo community can deliver an improved version of [1] to
> > IPMC, by filling all the blanks and with a new column ETA.
> >
> > [1]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > -Ian.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:29 AM Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi -
> > > >
> > > > (With trademark committee hat)
> > > >
> > > > Trademark resources can all be found from here:
> > > > Trademark resources sitemap:
> > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
> > > > PMC responsibility:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility
> > > > Improper third party uses:
> > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#police
> > > > Formal policy: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
> > > >
> > > > I don’t think that there is a formal policy to handle the situation
> where
> > > > a transitional, "3rd party” site controlled by the PMC exists that
> will be
> > > > phased out. Generally trademarks is looking for that PMC to be
> working with
> > > > and engaging 3rd parties to fix any branding issues.
> > > >
> > > > I think it is important to know what the goal is for the "3rd party"
> site
> > > > is and when that will be achieved.
> > > >
> > > > (Dubbo mentor hat)
> > > >
> > > > I think that rather than quickly responding by fixing various issues
> in an
> > > > ad hoc manner it would be good to present the long term plan and
> then agree
> > > > on the needed language on the “3rd party site”
> > > >
> > > > For example, the treatment of “product” that will be donated into the
> > > > project codebase differs from “product” that won’t be. The “for
> Apache
> > > > Dubbo” makes no sense for product that will be moved into Dubbo.
> > > >
> > > > The next board meeting is May 15th and there is time to carefully
> address
> > > > the plan to the satisfaction of the IPMC.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > > On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> that
> > > > > such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need that
> > > > > information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > I used to read this from incubator discussions. Zipkin and
> SkyWalking
> > > > were
> > > > > facing that question. Could someone help about this?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > >
> > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jan Piotrowski <pi...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午11:29写道：
> > > > >
> > > > >> Semi OT:
> > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> that
> > > > >> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need that
> > > > >> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -J
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu <
> > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > >>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, especially for
> these
> > > > >> three.
> > > > >>> I also used to see the traditional rename to
> xxx-for-apache-project
> > > > >>> 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > >>> 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py
> > > > >>> 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release
> repo(npm), the
> > > > >>> description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2]. Right?
> > > > >>> If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking used to
> be
> > > > asked
> > > > >>> stop in the same case.
> > > > >>> Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which isn't.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js
> > > > >>> [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > >>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:46写道：
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Hi
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
> other
> > > > >> name
> > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > > > >>>> dubbo.github.io,
> > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep
> website
> > > > >> in
> > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Please discuss with your community, then make the decision. I
> just
> > > > >> reply
> > > > >>>> the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the
> > > > dubbo.github.io
> > > > >> ,
> > > > >>>> if the community wants), is also a good idea.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my concern. I
> trust
> > > > >> the
> > > > >>>> Dubbo community could make it right.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Thanks.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > >>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道：
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Those two are good options. Please read my prev reply[1],
> which
> > > > >>>>> concerns me
> > > > >>>>>> more are
> > > > >>>>>> 1. Website codebase.
> > > > >>>>>> 2. GitHub org name and logo.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be disallowed,
> we will
> > > > >> do
> > > > >>>>> the
> > > > >>>>> following things against dubbo group:
> > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
> other
> > > > name
> > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > > > >> dubbo.github.io
> > > > >>>>> ,
> > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep
> website
> > > > >> in
> > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Let me know if your concerns will be completely addressed once
> the
> > > > >> actions
> > > > >>>>> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our
> mentors and
> > > > >>>>> hopefully get back to you soon.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > > >>>>> -Ian.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <
> huxing@apache.org>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Hi,
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Hi.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going.
> We
> > > > >> cannot
> > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > >>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make sure
> ICLA
> > > > >> for
> > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > >>>>>>> projects are signed,
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo, which is
> > > > >> decided by
> > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>> project owner or Dubbo community.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> eventually we hope to move everything into Apache group
> except
> > > > >> for
> > > > >>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>> repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to
> dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> As you mentioned, which make me concern more. Especially you
> say
> > > > >>>>>>> `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional?
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> No. The redirection has been completed.
> > > > >>>>>> You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io
> > > > >>>>>> The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME.
> > > > >>>>>> Other files are archive for the old website before joining
> ASF.
> > > > >>>>>> To make it better understandable, I think it is better to
> move them
> > > > >> to
> > > > >>>>>> other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose.
> > > > >>>>>> I update the description and readme, removing the word
> "eventually".
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section Initial
> > > > >> Source,
> > > > >>>>> "Home
> > > > >>>>>>> Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"
> > > > >>>>>>> If the transfer has not been finished, you should wait for
> that
> > > > >> before
> > > > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to dubbo.io
> has been
> > > > >>>>>> redirected to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and host
> all in
> > > > >>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If not,
> which
> > > > >> is
> > > > >>>>>> harder
> > > > >>>>>>> to understand for me.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to either
> Apache
> > > > >> or
> > > > >>>>>> Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF.
> > > > >>>>>> The Dubbo community do not have access to change the DNS
> record.
> > > > >>>>>> The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> This is a block for me.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group
> > > > >> like
> > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> You changed some. But if you look clearly about the
> logo(GitHub
> > > > >> org
> > > > >>>>>>> avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are the same,
> > > > >> which
> > > > >>>>> both
> > > > >>>>>> of
> > > > >>>>>>> them belong to ASF.
> > > > >>>>>>> Which makes me think the branding has not been cleared.
> > > > >> Especially, I
> > > > >>>>>> think
> > > > >>>>>>> Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so this
> should
> > > > >> be
> > > > >>>>> able
> > > > >>>>>>> to be fixed.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> I have no objection to rename the organization if this is an
> issue.
> > > > >>>>>> I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is useful just
> for
> > > > >>>>>> defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it.
> > > > >>>>>> Another way is to create another group with something other
> than
> > > > >>>>>> dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
> > > > >>>>>>> this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system temporarily
> before the
> > > > >>>>>>> transition finishes.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are going to be a
> > > > >> TLP, the
> > > > >>>>>>> PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what do you
> want
> > > > >> about
> > > > >>>>>> your
> > > > >>>>>>> own repo.
> > > > >>>>>>> Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the specific
> ones
> > > > >> in
> > > > >>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>> initial org, https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> > > > >>>>>>> [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
> > > > >>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > >>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道：
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are
> > > > >> done.
> > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
> org
> > > > >> to
> > > > >>>>> be
> > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other
> > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> important.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going.
> We
> > > > >> cannot
> > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > >>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make sure
> > > > >> ICLA
> > > > >>>>> for
> > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > >>>>>>>> projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move
> everything
> > > > >> into
> > > > >>>>>> Apache
> > > > >>>>>>>> group except for the repo [1] which serves redirection
> dubbo.io
> > > > >> to
> > > > >>>>>>>> dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group
> > > > >> like
> > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem
> > > > >>>>>>>> Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this group is
> for
> > > > >>>>> hosting
> > > > >>>>>> dubbo
> > > > >>>>>>>> eco-system temporaryly before the transition finishes.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> I hope this can answer your concerns.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > >>>>>>>> -Ian.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > > > >> redirects
> > > > >>>>> to
> > > > >>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it
> may
> > > > >> be
> > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > >>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is being
> > > > >> taken.
> > > > >>>>> The
> > > > >>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number of
> > > > >> times
> > > > >>>>> in
> > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g. [1][2]
> and
> > > > >> more
> > > > >>>>>>>> recently
> > > > >>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is happening
> [5].
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are
> > > > >> done.
> > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
> org
> > > > >> to
> > > > >>>>> be
> > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other
> > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> important.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many
> > > > >>>>>> projects/developers,
> > > > >>>>>>>> so
> > > > >>>>>>>>> please consider to make sure the branding is clear before
> > > > >>>>> graduation.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled,
> > > > >> the
> > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > >>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
> > > > >> started on
> > > > >>>>>> legal
> > > > >>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note
> it
> > > > >> was
> > > > >>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > >>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> This is not a blocker, this comes from the same reason I
> asked
> > > > >>>>> about
> > > > >>>>>>>>> branding.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many media(s),
> many
> > > > >>>>>>>>> watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF project, and
> the
> > > > >> PMC
> > > > >>>>> is
> > > > >>>>>>>> ready
> > > > >>>>>>>>> to find the license issue in first place.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
> > > > >> 上午7:19写道：
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be Apache
> branding,
> > > > >>>>> then
> > > > >>>>>> why
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially the exact
> > > > >> name
> > > > >>>>> and
> > > > >>>>>>>> logo.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > > > >> redirects
> > > > >>>>> to
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it
> > > > >> may be
> > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is being
> > > > >>>>> taken.
> > > > >>>>>> The
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number
> of
> > > > >>>>> times
> > > > >>>>>> in
> > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g. [1][2]
> > > > >> and
> > > > >>>>> more
> > > > >>>>>>>>> recently
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is happening
> [5].
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using Apache mail
> > > > >>>>>> list[3].
> > > > >>>>>>>> But
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I would guess this is just an oversight, but if someone
> > > > >> from the
> > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > >>>>>>>> can
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> comment on this that would be good.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use the Dubbo
> > > > >> name.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> See [5].
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release Apache
> Dubbo
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue hasn't been
> > > > >>>>>> addressed
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> inside
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain
> thing(maybe),
> > > > >>>>> but at
> > > > >>>>>>>> this
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> moment, it should not be included.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled,
> > > > >> the
> > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
> > > > >> started
> > > > >>>>> on
> > > > >>>>>>>> legal
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note
> > > > >> it was
> > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>>> PPMC
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Justin
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 1.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 3.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 4.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 5.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>
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> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> --
> > > > >>>>>> Best Regards！
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Huxing
> > > > >>>>>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project

[Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org>]

Hi,

I am wrapping the latest update from Dubbo community.

- The avator of dubbo[1] group has been deleted
- The description of dubbo group has been rename as Eco System For Apache Dubbo
- A new group called thubbo[2] has been created
- All projects under dubbo group are renamed in xxx-for-apache-dubbo
format in compliance with the policies
- For the 19 projects remaining in dubbo group, the Dubbo community
has contacted all the project owners, and got response from 18
projects[3]. Among them,
  * 14 projects will be transferred to ASF (13 of them will be
transferred by May 31st, 1 project will be transferred by June 30th)
  * 3 projects will be transferred outside dubbo group, with all
branding issues cleared.
  * 1 project (dubbo.github.io) will be deleted by May 31st. (redirect
dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org via dns)
  * The remaining 1 project (intellij-idea-plugin) will be transferred
to thubbo group if no response is received.
  * The detailed status has been summarized here[4].
  * If any project failed to be transferred before ETA, it will be
transferred to thubbo group instead.

Given that all project has given ETA to be transferred to ASF/outside
dubbo, a suggestion is given that there is no need to move the
projects to thubbo group unless they are not transferred before ETA.

The Dubbo community is seeking comments from the IPMC that whether
this proposal is OK or not. Any feedback will be appreciated. Hope
this could clear the concern from IPMC.

[1] https://github.com/dubbo
[2] https://github.com/thubbo
[3] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8dc772242181517e3159d583c6aa7d1fcf5ce6f321ebb9e882ab6ad@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
[4] https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:46 PM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dave & Others,
> >
> > This "3rd party" site (https://github.com/dubbo) is used for building
> > Dubbo's eco-system. Just as you said, It contains both the projects which
> > will be donated and which may not, so the final goal for this "3rd party"
> > site is pretty clear: it will contain and only contain projects won't
> > donate, and if there's no project left eventually, this site does not
> > necessarily exist.
> >
> > What we're doing now is to solve the potential branding issues, in order to
> > answer the challenges from whom wearing the trademark committee hat. It is
> > an ad-hoc actions since we need to solve this particular issue as quickly
> > as possible. Here're what we are doing as short-term actions:
> >
> > 1. Rename dubbo group to other name. - not yet
>
> Or create a new group and move all the projects to it, left dubbo as
> an empty group. (The purpose is just to ensure nobody is trying to
> abuse it)
>
> > 2. Stop using Dubbo logo as group's avatar - done
> > 3. Rename all project names in compliance with the policies - ongoing
>
> +1
>
> >
> >
> > At the same time, I strongly agree with what Dave suggested for the long
> > run plan. Here's what I propose (certainly this plan needs to be vote in
> > dubbo's mailing list):
> >
> > 1. All projects will be transferred to Apache group with ETA
>
> I will try to discuss this with the project owners and Dubbo community
> to work out a ETA.
>
> > 2. After that, all members in this group will be join Apache if they are
> > willing to (after they go through the vote certainly)
>
> As long as the project is under ASF, anyone can become committer by
> earning enough merit.
>
> > 3. After the transition is done, this particular group will be deleted
>
> +1.
>
> >
> > I will init the vote for the long term plan in dubbo's community today, and
> > we will get back with the concrete transition plan with ETA to the board
> > meeting as soon as possible. I hope we can satisfy the IPMC by doing this.
> > Pls. let me know if this is sufficient. We can adjust the plan if any
> > further suggestion comes up.
>
> I think the Dubbo community can deliver an improved version of [1] to
> IPMC, by filling all the blanks and with a new column ETA.
>
> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> >
> > Regards,
> > -Ian.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:29 AM Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi -
> > >
> > > (With trademark committee hat)
> > >
> > > Trademark resources can all be found from here:
> > > Trademark resources sitemap:
> > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
> > > PMC responsibility: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility
> > > Improper third party uses:
> > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#police
> > > Formal policy: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
> > >
> > > I don’t think that there is a formal policy to handle the situation where
> > > a transitional, "3rd party” site controlled by the PMC exists that will be
> > > phased out. Generally trademarks is looking for that PMC to be working with
> > > and engaging 3rd parties to fix any branding issues.
> > >
> > > I think it is important to know what the goal is for the "3rd party" site
> > > is and when that will be achieved.
> > >
> > > (Dubbo mentor hat)
> > >
> > > I think that rather than quickly responding by fixing various issues in an
> > > ad hoc manner it would be good to present the long term plan and then agree
> > > on the needed language on the “3rd party site”
> > >
> > > For example, the treatment of “product” that will be donated into the
> > > project codebase differs from “product” that won’t be. The “for Apache
> > > Dubbo” makes no sense for product that will be moved into Dubbo.
> > >
> > > The next board meeting is May 15th and there is time to carefully address
> > > the plan to the satisfaction of the IPMC.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > > On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates that
> > > > such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need that
> > > > information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > >
> > > > I used to read this from incubator discussions. Zipkin and SkyWalking
> > > were
> > > > facing that question. Could someone help about this?
> > > >
> > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > >
> > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jan Piotrowski <pi...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午11:29写道：
> > > >
> > > >> Semi OT:
> > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates that
> > > >> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need that
> > > >> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > >>
> > > >> -J
> > > >>
> > > >> Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu <
> > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hi,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > >>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, especially for these
> > > >> three.
> > > >>> I also used to see the traditional rename to xxx-for-apache-project
> > > >>> 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > >>> 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py
> > > >>> 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release repo(npm), the
> > > >>> description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2]. Right?
> > > >>> If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking used to be
> > > asked
> > > >>> stop in the same case.
> > > >>> Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which isn't.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js
> > > >>> [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > >>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:46写道：
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Hi
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to other
> > > >> name
> > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > > >>>> dubbo.github.io,
> > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep website
> > > >> in
> > > >>>>> this group
> > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Please discuss with your community, then make the decision. I just
> > > >> reply
> > > >>>> the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the
> > > dubbo.github.io
> > > >> ,
> > > >>>> if the community wants), is also a good idea.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my concern. I trust
> > > >> the
> > > >>>> Dubbo community could make it right.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > >>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道：
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Those two are good options. Please read my prev reply[1], which
> > > >>>>> concerns me
> > > >>>>>> more are
> > > >>>>>> 1. Website codebase.
> > > >>>>>> 2. GitHub org name and logo.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be disallowed, we will
> > > >> do
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>> following things against dubbo group:
> > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to other
> > > name
> > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > > >> dubbo.github.io
> > > >>>>> ,
> > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep website
> > > >> in
> > > >>>>> this group
> > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Let me know if your concerns will be completely addressed once the
> > > >> actions
> > > >>>>> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our mentors and
> > > >>>>> hopefully get back to you soon.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > >>>>> -Ian.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Hi,
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Hi.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going. We
> > > >> cannot
> > > >>>>>> do it
> > > >>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make sure ICLA
> > > >> for
> > > >>>>>> each
> > > >>>>>>> projects are signed,
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo, which is
> > > >> decided by
> > > >>>>>> the
> > > >>>>>>> project owner or Dubbo community.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> eventually we hope to move everything into Apache group except
> > > >> for
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>>>> repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> As you mentioned, which make me concern more. Especially you say
> > > >>>>>>> `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> No. The redirection has been completed.
> > > >>>>>> You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io
> > > >>>>>> The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME.
> > > >>>>>> Other files are archive for the old website before joining ASF.
> > > >>>>>> To make it better understandable, I think it is better to move them
> > > >> to
> > > >>>>>> other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose.
> > > >>>>>> I update the description and readme, removing the word "eventually".
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section Initial
> > > >> Source,
> > > >>>>> "Home
> > > >>>>>>> Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"
> > > >>>>>>> If the transfer has not been finished, you should wait for that
> > > >> before
> > > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to dubbo.io has been
> > > >>>>>> redirected to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and host all in
> > > >>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If not, which
> > > >> is
> > > >>>>>> harder
> > > >>>>>>> to understand for me.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to either Apache
> > > >> or
> > > >>>>>> Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF.
> > > >>>>>> The Dubbo community do not have access to change the DNS record.
> > > >>>>>> The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> This is a block for me.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group
> > > >> like
> > > >>>>> this:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> You changed some. But if you look clearly about the logo(GitHub
> > > >> org
> > > >>>>>>> avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are the same,
> > > >> which
> > > >>>>> both
> > > >>>>>> of
> > > >>>>>>> them belong to ASF.
> > > >>>>>>> Which makes me think the branding has not been cleared.
> > > >> Especially, I
> > > >>>>>> think
> > > >>>>>>> Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so this should
> > > >> be
> > > >>>>> able
> > > >>>>>>> to be fixed.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I have no objection to rename the organization if this is an issue.
> > > >>>>>> I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is useful just for
> > > >>>>>> defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it.
> > > >>>>>> Another way is to create another group with something other than
> > > >>>>>> dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
> > > >>>>>>> this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system temporarily before the
> > > >>>>>>> transition finishes.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are going to be a
> > > >> TLP, the
> > > >>>>>>> PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what do you want
> > > >> about
> > > >>>>>> your
> > > >>>>>>> own repo.
> > > >>>>>>> Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the specific ones
> > > >> in
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>>>> initial org, https://github.com/dubbo
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> > > >>>>>>> [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
> > > >>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > >>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道：
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are
> > > >> done.
> > > >>>>>> Could
> > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1] org
> > > >> to
> > > >>>>> be
> > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other
> > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very important.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going. We
> > > >> cannot
> > > >>>>>> do it
> > > >>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make sure
> > > >> ICLA
> > > >>>>> for
> > > >>>>>> each
> > > >>>>>>>> projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move everything
> > > >> into
> > > >>>>>> Apache
> > > >>>>>>>> group except for the repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io
> > > >> to
> > > >>>>>>>> dubbo.apache.org.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group
> > > >> like
> > > >>>>> this:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem
> > > >>>>>>>> Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this group is for
> > > >>>>> hosting
> > > >>>>>> dubbo
> > > >>>>>>>> eco-system temporaryly before the transition finishes.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> I hope this can answer your concerns.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > >>>>>>>> -Ian.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > > >> redirects
> > > >>>>> to
> > > >>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it may
> > > >> be
> > > >>>>>> that a
> > > >>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is being
> > > >> taken.
> > > >>>>> The
> > > >>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number of
> > > >> times
> > > >>>>> in
> > > >>>>>> the
> > > >>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g. [1][2] and
> > > >> more
> > > >>>>>>>> recently
> > > >>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is happening [5].
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are
> > > >> done.
> > > >>>>>> Could
> > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1] org
> > > >> to
> > > >>>>> be
> > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other
> > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very important.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many
> > > >>>>>> projects/developers,
> > > >>>>>>>> so
> > > >>>>>>>>> please consider to make sure the branding is clear before
> > > >>>>> graduation.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled,
> > > >> the
> > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > >>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
> > > >> started on
> > > >>>>>> legal
> > > >>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note it
> > > >> was
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > >>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> This is not a blocker, this comes from the same reason I asked
> > > >>>>> about
> > > >>>>>>>>> branding.
> > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many media(s), many
> > > >>>>>>>>> watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub.
> > > >>>>>>>>> I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF project, and the
> > > >> PMC
> > > >>>>> is
> > > >>>>>>>> ready
> > > >>>>>>>>> to find the license issue in first place.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > >>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
> > > >> 上午7:19写道：
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be Apache branding,
> > > >>>>> then
> > > >>>>>> why
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially the exact
> > > >> name
> > > >>>>> and
> > > >>>>>>>> logo.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > > >> redirects
> > > >>>>> to
> > > >>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it
> > > >> may be
> > > >>>>>> that a
> > > >>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is being
> > > >>>>> taken.
> > > >>>>>> The
> > > >>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number of
> > > >>>>> times
> > > >>>>>> in
> > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > >>>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g. [1][2]
> > > >> and
> > > >>>>> more
> > > >>>>>>>>> recently
> > > >>>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is happening [5].
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using Apache mail
> > > >>>>>> list[3].
> > > >>>>>>>> But
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> I would guess this is just an oversight, but if someone
> > > >> from the
> > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > >>>>>>>> can
> > > >>>>>>>>>> comment on this that would be good.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use the Dubbo
> > > >> name.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> See [5].
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release Apache Dubbo
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue hasn't been
> > > >>>>>> addressed
> > > >>>>>>>>>> inside
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain thing(maybe),
> > > >>>>> but at
> > > >>>>>>>> this
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> moment, it should not be included.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled,
> > > >> the
> > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > >>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
> > > >> started
> > > >>>>> on
> > > >>>>>>>> legal
> > > >>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note
> > > >> it was
> > > >>>>>> the
> > > >>>>>>>> PPMC
> > > >>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Justin
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> 1.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>
> > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > >>>>>>>>>> 2.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>
> > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > >>>>>>>>>> 3.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>
> > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > >>>>>>>>>> 4.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>
> > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > >>>>>>>>>> 5.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>
> > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
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> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> --
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> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Huxing
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