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Posted to qa@openoffice.apache.org by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> on 2012/11/06 17:32:55 UTC
Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test
https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA, let me know.
But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
effort for QA. We can probably do something similar for localization
soon as well.
-Rob
Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping
Us Test
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 11/06/2012 05:49 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Donald Whytock<dw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, first of all you can take off the "(incubating)"...:)
>>
>
> Yes, that should go. But I don't have permissions for that. I think
> we need at least a Roller admin (T.J ?) or Infra to help with that.
I've changed it. Also our blog is now graduated.
Marcus
>> Other than that...
>>
>> - maybe expand SQE...Software Quality Engineer?
>>
>
> Yes, good catch.
>
>> - has ooo-qa@incubator.apache.org been migrated yet?
>>
>
> I don't think so, but it will probably migrate at some point during
> the useful lifetime of this blog post. I'll update it when it does.
> And the old address should redirect, so we're protected there as well.
>
> -Rob
>
>> Don
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Rob Weir<ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
>>>
>>> If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA, let me know.
>>>
>>> But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
>>> effort for QA. We can probably do something similar for localization
>>> soon as well.
>>>
>>> -Rob
Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Donald Whytock <dw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, first of all you can take off the "(incubating)"...:)
>
Yes, that should go. But I don't have permissions for that. I think
we need at least a Roller admin (T.J ?) or Infra to help with that.
> Other than that...
>
> - maybe expand SQE...Software Quality Engineer?
>
Yes, good catch.
> - has ooo-qa@incubator.apache.org been migrated yet?
>
I don't think so, but it will probably migrate at some point during
the useful lifetime of this blog post. I'll update it when it does.
And the old address should redirect, so we're protected there as well.
-Rob
> Don
>
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
>>
>> If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA, let me know.
>>
>> But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
>> effort for QA. We can probably do something similar for localization
>> soon as well.
>>
>> -Rob
Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 2:58 PM, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is a real nice page.
>
> Have we ever worked together with universities, at least in denmark, the
> engineer and edp education contains quite a few 3weeks slots, where the
> students are encouraged to seek projects outside the university, normally
> in companies.
>
> Things like running QA on a snapshot or writing test cases, would be in
> line with the requirement. The only stopper is, that they would need
> somebody to mentor them, and sign off afterwards (towards the university),
> that is easy with companies, but with ASF I have no idea.
>
Apache participates as a mentor organization with Google Summer of
Code. That has volunteer mentors guide students on a summer open
source project. The mentors provide half-term and final reviews and
ratings for the students. Doing this for a university program might
be possible, but would depend on the details. For example, the ASF
has no ability to order or direct volunteer mentors. So putting the
ASF under any contractual obligation for this might be a problem. But
agreements between individual mentors and the university might be
fine. Similar, who vouches for the student's work? The mentor,
acting as an individual? Or the ASF?
-Rob
> Jan
>
> On 6 November 2012 20:40, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:53 AM, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Nice page....would it be helpfull if there was a bulleted list of
>> examples
>> > what the QA do, being QA is a quite wide field...
>> >
>>
>> Added.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> > Jan.
>> >
>> > On 6 November 2012 17:44, Donald Whytock <dw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well, first of all you can take off the "(incubating)"...:)
>> >>
>> >> Other than that...
>> >>
>> >> - maybe expand SQE...Software Quality Engineer?
>> >>
>> >> - has ooo-qa@incubator.apache.org been migrated yet?
>> >>
>> >> Don
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
>> >> >
>> >> > If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA, let
>> >> me know.
>> >> >
>> >> > But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
>> >> > effort for QA. We can probably do something similar for localization
>> >> > soon as well.
>> >> >
>> >> > -Rob
>> >>
>>
Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test
Posted by Donald Whytock <dw...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 2:58 PM, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is a real nice page.
>
> Have we ever worked together with universities, at least in denmark, the
> engineer and edp education contains quite a few 3weeks slots, where the
> students are encouraged to seek projects outside the university, normally
> in companies.
>
> Things like running QA on a snapshot or writing test cases, would be in
> line with the requirement. The only stopper is, that they would need
> somebody to mentor them, and sign off afterwards (towards the university),
> that is easy with companies, but with ASF I have no idea.
How is QA currently done here? Is it in the form of a JIRA, that
such-and-such QA needs to be done, and then attached are the results?
If that's the case, perhaps a student could have a QA JIRA to work on,
to which he'd attach test results, test cases, bugs identified, etc.
and an AOO committer signs off on it being complete?
Don
Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test
Posted by jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>.
This is a real nice page.
Have we ever worked together with universities, at least in denmark, the
engineer and edp education contains quite a few 3weeks slots, where the
students are encouraged to seek projects outside the university, normally
in companies.
Things like running QA on a snapshot or writing test cases, would be in
line with the requirement. The only stopper is, that they would need
somebody to mentor them, and sign off afterwards (towards the university),
that is easy with companies, but with ASF I have no idea.
Jan
On 6 November 2012 20:40, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:53 AM, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Nice page....would it be helpfull if there was a bulleted list of
> examples
> > what the QA do, being QA is a quite wide field...
> >
>
> Added.
>
> -Rob
>
> > Jan.
> >
> > On 6 November 2012 17:44, Donald Whytock <dw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Well, first of all you can take off the "(incubating)"...:)
> >>
> >> Other than that...
> >>
> >> - maybe expand SQE...Software Quality Engineer?
> >>
> >> - has ooo-qa@incubator.apache.org been migrated yet?
> >>
> >> Don
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >>
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
> >> >
> >> > If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA, let
> >> me know.
> >> >
> >> > But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
> >> > effort for QA. We can probably do something similar for localization
> >> > soon as well.
> >> >
> >> > -Rob
> >>
>
Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:53 AM, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nice page....would it be helpfull if there was a bulleted list of examples
> what the QA do, being QA is a quite wide field...
>
Added.
-Rob
> Jan.
>
> On 6 November 2012 17:44, Donald Whytock <dw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, first of all you can take off the "(incubating)"...:)
>>
>> Other than that...
>>
>> - maybe expand SQE...Software Quality Engineer?
>>
>> - has ooo-qa@incubator.apache.org been migrated yet?
>>
>> Don
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
>> >
>> > If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA, let
>> me know.
>> >
>> > But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
>> > effort for QA. We can probably do something similar for localization
>> > soon as well.
>> >
>> > -Rob
>>
Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test
Posted by jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>.
Nice page....would it be helpfull if there was a bulleted list of examples
what the QA do, being QA is a quite wide field...
Jan.
On 6 November 2012 17:44, Donald Whytock <dw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, first of all you can take off the "(incubating)"...:)
>
> Other than that...
>
> - maybe expand SQE...Software Quality Engineer?
>
> - has ooo-qa@incubator.apache.org been migrated yet?
>
> Don
>
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
> >
> > If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA, let
> me know.
> >
> > But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
> > effort for QA. We can probably do something similar for localization
> > soon as well.
> >
> > -Rob
>
Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test
Posted by Donald Whytock <dw...@gmail.com>.
Well, first of all you can take off the "(incubating)"...:)
Other than that...
- maybe expand SQE...Software Quality Engineer?
- has ooo-qa@incubator.apache.org been migrated yet?
Don
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
>
> If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA, let me know.
>
> But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
> effort for QA. We can probably do something similar for localization
> soon as well.
>
> -Rob
Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping
Us Test
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 06/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
Thanks, the final version at
https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/you_can_help_us_improve
is very good and useful to the project, like everything else you've
published on the OpenOffice blog so far (I won't comment on what you
write elsewhere, let's say it would be off-topic!).
So the result is, we did already recruit some new QA volunteers. And
this is great. What is now the best way to keep them involved? In the
medium-long term, they will probably become able to follow issue queues
and triage bugs independently, but shall we schedule some introductory
QA activities at some point in late November to give new volunteers
something to work on?
Would it be easier to ask them to run manual tests on a build (if we
have enough testcases, this is probably the best way to introduce them
to QA) or to assign them random bugs from IssueZilla unconfirmed issues
and have them verify them?
Regards,
Andrea.
Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
>> >>
>> >> If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA, let
>> me
>> >> know.
>> >>
>> >> But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
>> >> effort for QA. We can probably do something similar for localization
>> >> soon as well.
>> >>
>> >> -Rob
>> >>
>> >
>> > oK, this is good. My one comment would be to link to *some page* on
>> "Apache
>> > OpenOffice 4.0" that contains information on what this release will
>> > provide. I would think the more volunteers felt it was worthwhile, the
>> > more likely they would be to help with QA.
>> >
>>
>> OK. I added a link to the wiki page where the AOO 4.0 ideas are collected.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> > Looking forward to the final draft.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > MzK
>> >
>> > "Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
>> > dealt with a cat."
>> > -- Robert Heinlein
>>
>
> When will the post go live?
>
Personally, I think it is ready now. But I'm willing to wait longer
if you have more feedback.
-Rob
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >>
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
> >>
> >> If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA, let
> me
> >> know.
> >>
> >> But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
> >> effort for QA. We can probably do something similar for localization
> >> soon as well.
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >
> > oK, this is good. My one comment would be to link to *some page* on
> "Apache
> > OpenOffice 4.0" that contains information on what this release will
> > provide. I would think the more volunteers felt it was worthwhile, the
> > more likely they would be to help with QA.
> >
>
> OK. I added a link to the wiki page where the AOO 4.0 ideas are collected.
>
> -Rob
>
>
> > Looking forward to the final draft.
> >
> > --
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > MzK
> >
> > "Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
> > dealt with a cat."
> > -- Robert Heinlein
>
When will the post go live?
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
>>
>> If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA, let me
>> know.
>>
>> But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
>> effort for QA. We can probably do something similar for localization
>> soon as well.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>
> oK, this is good. My one comment would be to link to *some page* on "Apache
> OpenOffice 4.0" that contains information on what this release will
> provide. I would think the more volunteers felt it was worthwhile, the
> more likely they would be to help with QA.
>
OK. I added a link to the wiki page where the AOO 4.0 ideas are collected.
-Rob
> Looking forward to the final draft.
>
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> "Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
> dealt with a cat."
> -- Robert Heinlein
Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test
Posted by Ji Yan <ya...@gmail.com>.
Rob, very good post, thanks
2012/11/8 Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Kevin Grignon
> > <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Rob,
> >>
> >> Beyond functional test and unit testing, can we perform some system
> >> testing, based on core usage scenarios?
> >>
> >
> >
> > How we divide things is somewhat arbitrary but I think this kind of
> > scenario testing is most typically a product design function. For
> > example, you could the some of the same kind of testing with a paper
> > prototype.
> >
> > But one idea, if you want to push the UX/design side of this forward
> > is to follow the model we're doing with QA and Localization:
> >
> > 1) Ask yourself, if in 1 week you could have 5 new UX volunteers, of
> > various skill levels, what could they do *now*?
> >
> > 2) Prepare one or more pages on the website or wiki that list things
> > they could get involved in.
> >
> > 3) Since most would be new to Apache you probably also wold want to
> > connect this into the Orientation work:
> > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/orientation/
> >
> > 4) Maybe it is time for a UX-specific mailing list?
> >
> > 5) Prepare a blog post that we can promote a UX Call for Volunteers
> >
> > Key observation: when we do a call for volunteers, people will
> > volunteer in a staggered pattern, some on day one, some on day 2, some
> > a week later, some two weeks later, etc. You will go crazy if you
> > have explain the same basic things on the list, over and over again.
> > So getting the common questions that everyone will have onto the
> > website is key. That is the purpose of orientation.
> >
> > I'm hoping we can take this general approach and refine it based on
> > experience with QA and L10N then apply it more broadly to other areas
> > of the project, including UX, Market, Dev, Website, etc.
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >
>
> Good stuff. Thanks for sharing. This aligns with my initial thoughts and
> provides some great recommendations to move forward.
>
>
>
> >
> >> This is a great way to get more non-technical people involved.
> Validating
> >> the system's ability to realize our core usage scenarios is really
> >> important.
> >>
> >> This also means we need to crank up the survey effort, where I was
> working
> >> on deploying a top task validation survey. Ultimately, we need to
> capture
> >> our core usage scenarios in a single, trusted source for all
> stakeholders
> >> to reference moving forward.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Kevin
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
> >>>>
> >>>> If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA,
> let me
> >>>> know.
> >>>>
> >>>> But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
> >>>> effort for QA. We can probably do something similar for localization
> >>>> soon as well.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Rob
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> oK, this is good. My one comment would be to link to *some page* on
> "Apache
> >>> OpenOffice 4.0" that contains information on what this release will
> >>> provide. I would think the more volunteers felt it was worthwhile, the
> >>> more likely they would be to help with QA.
> >>>
> >>> Looking forward to the final draft.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> MzK
> >>>
> >>> "Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
> >>> dealt with a cat."
> >>> -- Robert Heinlein
> >>>
>
--
Thanks & Best Regards, Yan Ji
Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
On Nov 7, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Kevin Grignon
> <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Rob,
>>
>> Beyond functional test and unit testing, can we perform some system
>> testing, based on core usage scenarios?
>>
>
>
> How we divide things is somewhat arbitrary but I think this kind of
> scenario testing is most typically a product design function. For
> example, you could the some of the same kind of testing with a paper
> prototype.
>
> But one idea, if you want to push the UX/design side of this forward
> is to follow the model we're doing with QA and Localization:
>
> 1) Ask yourself, if in 1 week you could have 5 new UX volunteers, of
> various skill levels, what could they do *now*?
>
> 2) Prepare one or more pages on the website or wiki that list things
> they could get involved in.
>
> 3) Since most would be new to Apache you probably also wold want to
> connect this into the Orientation work:
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/orientation/
>
> 4) Maybe it is time for a UX-specific mailing list?
>
> 5) Prepare a blog post that we can promote a UX Call for Volunteers
>
> Key observation: when we do a call for volunteers, people will
> volunteer in a staggered pattern, some on day one, some on day 2, some
> a week later, some two weeks later, etc. You will go crazy if you
> have explain the same basic things on the list, over and over again.
> So getting the common questions that everyone will have onto the
> website is key. That is the purpose of orientation.
>
> I'm hoping we can take this general approach and refine it based on
> experience with QA and L10N then apply it more broadly to other areas
> of the project, including UX, Market, Dev, Website, etc.
>
> -Rob
>
>
Good stuff. Thanks for sharing. This aligns with my initial thoughts and provides some great recommendations to move forward.
>
>> This is a great way to get more non-technical people involved. Validating
>> the system's ability to realize our core usage scenarios is really
>> important.
>>
>> This also means we need to crank up the survey effort, where I was working
>> on deploying a top task validation survey. Ultimately, we need to capture
>> our core usage scenarios in a single, trusted source for all stakeholders
>> to reference moving forward.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kevin
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
>>>>
>>>> If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA, let me
>>>> know.
>>>>
>>>> But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
>>>> effort for QA. We can probably do something similar for localization
>>>> soon as well.
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>
>>> oK, this is good. My one comment would be to link to *some page* on "Apache
>>> OpenOffice 4.0" that contains information on what this release will
>>> provide. I would think the more volunteers felt it was worthwhile, the
>>> more likely they would be to help with QA.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to the final draft.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> MzK
>>>
>>> "Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
>>> dealt with a cat."
>>> -- Robert Heinlein
>>>
Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Kevin Grignon
<ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rob,
>
> Beyond functional test and unit testing, can we perform some system
> testing, based on core usage scenarios?
>
How we divide things is somewhat arbitrary but I think this kind of
scenario testing is most typically a product design function. For
example, you could the some of the same kind of testing with a paper
prototype.
But one idea, if you want to push the UX/design side of this forward
is to follow the model we're doing with QA and Localization:
1) Ask yourself, if in 1 week you could have 5 new UX volunteers, of
various skill levels, what could they do *now*?
2) Prepare one or more pages on the website or wiki that list things
they could get involved in.
3) Since most would be new to Apache you probably also wold want to
connect this into the Orientation work:
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/orientation/
4) Maybe it is time for a UX-specific mailing list?
5) Prepare a blog post that we can promote a UX Call for Volunteers
Key observation: when we do a call for volunteers, people will
volunteer in a staggered pattern, some on day one, some on day 2, some
a week later, some two weeks later, etc. You will go crazy if you
have explain the same basic things on the list, over and over again.
So getting the common questions that everyone will have onto the
website is key. That is the purpose of orientation.
I'm hoping we can take this general approach and refine it based on
experience with QA and L10N then apply it more broadly to other areas
of the project, including UX, Market, Dev, Website, etc.
-Rob
> This is a great way to get more non-technical people involved. Validating
> the system's ability to realize our core usage scenarios is really
> important.
>
> This also means we need to crank up the survey effort, where I was working
> on deploying a top task validation survey. Ultimately, we need to capture
> our core usage scenarios in a single, trusted source for all stakeholders
> to reference moving forward.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
>> >
>> > If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA, let me
>> > know.
>> >
>> > But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
>> > effort for QA. We can probably do something similar for localization
>> > soon as well.
>> >
>> > -Rob
>> >
>>
>> oK, this is good. My one comment would be to link to *some page* on "Apache
>> OpenOffice 4.0" that contains information on what this release will
>> provide. I would think the more volunteers felt it was worthwhile, the
>> more likely they would be to help with QA.
>>
>> Looking forward to the final draft.
>>
>> --
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> MzK
>>
>> "Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
>> dealt with a cat."
>> -- Robert Heinlein
>>
Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
Rob,
Beyond functional test and unit testing, can we perform some system
testing, based on core usage scenarios?
This is a great way to get more non-technical people involved. Validating
the system's ability to realize our core usage scenarios is really
important.
This also means we need to crank up the survey effort, where I was working
on deploying a top task validation survey. Ultimately, we need to capture
our core usage scenarios in a single, trusted source for all stakeholders
to reference moving forward.
Regards,
Kevin
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> >
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
> >
> > If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA, let me
> > know.
> >
> > But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
> > effort for QA. We can probably do something similar for localization
> > soon as well.
> >
> > -Rob
> >
>
> oK, this is good. My one comment would be to link to *some page* on "Apache
> OpenOffice 4.0" that contains information on what this release will
> provide. I would think the more volunteers felt it was worthwhile, the
> more likely they would be to help with QA.
>
> Looking forward to the final draft.
>
> --
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> "Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
> dealt with a cat."
> -- Robert Heinlein
>
Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
>
> If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA, let me
> know.
>
> But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
> effort for QA. We can probably do something similar for localization
> soon as well.
>
> -Rob
>
oK, this is good. My one comment would be to link to *some page* on "Apache
OpenOffice 4.0" that contains information on what this release will
provide. I would think the more volunteers felt it was worthwhile, the
more likely they would be to help with QA.
Looking forward to the final draft.
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
"Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
dealt with a cat."
-- Robert Heinlein