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Proposal
Jason,
Can you please add your name to this as a committer and/or a sponsoring
member: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?RuperProposal
Also other maven folks?
I value your previous experience and existing source code.
-Andy
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Re: Proposal
Posted by Santiago Gala <sg...@hisitech.com>.
Costin Manolache wrote:
> Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
(...)
>>
>>wow... :-(
>
>
> I don't know what "wow" means - but it is absolutely normal for any
> community. I'm sure there are people who don't like working with me ( or
> anyone else )- and the reverse.
> I don't think anyone can reasonably expect anything else.
>
+1
> What's important is for everyone to keep having some fun and decide for
> himself if beeing in a community like jakarta ( and benefiting from the
> diversity of opinions and ideas - even from people we don't like ) is worth
> the effort of dealing with the people we don't like ( or strongly disagree
> with, or both ).
>
There is a positive aspect to this, and it starts when (project)
frontiers are established between non-working-together (but respectful)
teams. These frontiers are likely to evolve into APIs and products that
are strictly controlled for compliancy (I would say fiercly ;-) and this
is A Good Thing.
But the premise is having the parties to agree in the frontiers, i.e.
having clear concerns for subprojects, modularising the essential parts
and competing with the rest of it.
I mean, we're not as Microsoft, breaking compatibility for the sake of it.
I think such a scenario is one of the best possible ones, provided that
the heat does not make things explode.
Just my two cents,
Santiago
> As ( and if ) jakarta becomes a single community - everyone will have to
> deal with this decision.
>
> Costin
>
>
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Re: Proposal
Posted by Costin Manolache <cm...@yahoo.com>.
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
>>
>>
>>Can't do it. I will never collaborate on anything with Nicola Ken
>>Barozzi. And if I have to say it in public I will. I would probably
>>participate in anything but not with him.
>>
>>
>>
> wow... :-(
I don't know what "wow" means - but it is absolutely normal for any
community. I'm sure there are people who don't like working with me ( or
anyone else )- and the reverse.
I don't think anyone can reasonably expect anything else.
What's important is for everyone to keep having some fun and decide for
himself if beeing in a community like jakarta ( and benefiting from the
diversity of opinions and ideas - even from people we don't like ) is worth
the effort of dealing with the people we don't like ( or strongly disagree
with, or both ).
As ( and if ) jakarta becomes a single community - everyone will have to
deal with this decision.
Costin
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Re: Proposal
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
>
>
>Can't do it. I will never collaborate on anything with Nicola Ken
>Barozzi. And if I have to say it in public I will. I would probably
>participate in anything but not with him.
>
>
>
wow... :-(
-Andy
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Re: Proposal
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@optonline.net>.
Seriously people, just forget this strand of the thread. Jason hasn't
slept and is under stress due to family issues.
Jason will probably be mad at me for posting this, but I wanted to say
something.
geir
On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 05:30 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 17:26, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>> On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 16:08, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
>>> Jason,
>>>
>>> Can you please add your name to this as a committer and/or a
>>> sponsoring
>>> member: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?RuperProposal
>>> Also other maven folks?
>>>
>>> I value your previous experience and existing source code.
>>
>> Can't do it. I will never collaborate on anything with Nicola Ken
>> Barozzi. And if I have to say it in public I will. I would probably
>> participate in anything but not with him.
>
> Ah damn, when it rains it pours. The old man is in a coma, I haven't
> slept in days and I can't read reply-to headers. That was not meant for
> public consumption.
>
>>> -Andy
>>>
>>>
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> jvz.
>
> Jason van Zyl
> jason@zenplex.com
> http://tambora.zenplex.org
>
> In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
> and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
>
> -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
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Re: Proposal
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 17:26, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 16:08, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> > Jason,
> >
> > Can you please add your name to this as a committer and/or a sponsoring
> > member: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?RuperProposal
> > Also other maven folks?
> >
> > I value your previous experience and existing source code.
>
> Can't do it. I will never collaborate on anything with Nicola Ken
> Barozzi. And if I have to say it in public I will. I would probably
> participate in anything but not with him.
Ah damn, when it rains it pours. The old man is in a coma, I haven't
slept in days and I can't read reply-to headers. That was not meant for
public consumption.
> > -Andy
> >
> >
> >
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jvz.
Jason van Zyl
jason@zenplex.com
http://tambora.zenplex.org
In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
-- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
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Re: Proposal
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 16:08, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> Jason,
>
> Can you please add your name to this as a committer and/or a sponsoring
> member: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?RuperProposal
> Also other maven folks?
>
> I value your previous experience and existing source code.
Can't do it. I will never collaborate on anything with Nicola Ken
Barozzi. And if I have to say it in public I will. I would probably
participate in anything but not with him.
> -Andy
>
>
>
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jvz.
Jason van Zyl
jason@zenplex.com
http://tambora.zenplex.org
In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
-- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
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Re: Proposal
Posted by Ted Leung <tw...@sauria.com>.
Let me second Andy's request. The proposal is much less interesting if what
is developed is not usable by Maven -- Having a new project which competes
with a piece of Maven will leave us with a bad solution for this problem
space. Also, I think it's clear that the Maven developers have thought
carefully about this problem, and I don't want to waste time reinventing the
wheel or rediscovering the hard problems.
Ted
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From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>
To: "Jakarta General List" <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:08 PM
Subject: Proposal
> Jason,
>
> Can you please add your name to this as a committer and/or a sponsoring
> member: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?RuperProposal
> Also other maven folks?
>
> I value your previous experience and existing source code.
>
> -Andy
>
>
>
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