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Re: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
NetBeans december 2019 statistics
--emi
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 1:59 PM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oh, so the server was just renamed? Any of the older data available somewhere?
>
> --emi
>
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 12:06 PM Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 01/12/2019 10.52, Emilian Bold wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > As far as I can see https://blocky.apache.org/exports does not exist
> > > anymore. Any other place for download statistics that one can access?
> >
> > https://uls.apache.org/exports/
> >
> > >
> > > I see COMDEV-310 is still open. Does NetBeans have a Snoot account?
> > >
> > > --emi
> > >
> > > On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 4:22 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> > > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> @Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> and I met at FOSDEM today with our
> > >> Apache NetBeans mentor @Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>, and he
> > >> mentioned the publicly available stats here that are gathered per month, on
> > >> xxxx.apache.org websites, such as netbeans.apache.org -- makes for
> > >> interesting reading:
> > >>
> > >> https://blocky.apache.org/exports
> > >>
> > >> Unique visitors, page views, most visited pages, top referrers, geomapping
> > >> -- all available.
> > >>
> > >> He also mentioned:
> > >>
> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Snoot+Statistics
> > >>
> > >> Stats related to the above are here:
> > >>
> > >> https://projects.apache.org/statistics.html
> > >>
> > >> But as indicated in the Wiki link above, we can ask for our own account for
> > >> more details, as I did here:
> > >>
> > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-310
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >> Gj
> > >
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Re: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
Posted by Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>.
Just adding some Snap stats.
NetBeans debuted on 2nd of January, 2019, Since then we reached ~18000
installations from this source. Unfortunately we do not know how many
active users we have, but it seems that a few thousand people got a new
computer, at least I hope that is the reason behind that in December the
number of installations has been dropped below 15000 by now.
Also the unpolished gem: netbeans-dev package is used about 10-14 people
over the globe. We had 38 weekly releases so far from that (well
sometimes it were more frequent than a week especially at the beginning
phase).
On 12/31/19 10:12 PM, Emilian Bold wrote:
> NetBeans december 2019 statistics
>
> --emi
>
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 1:59 PM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oh, so the server was just renamed? Any of the older data available somewhere?
>>
>> --emi
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 12:06 PM Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On 01/12/2019 10.52, Emilian Bold wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> As far as I can see https://blocky.apache.org/exports does not exist
>>>> anymore. Any other place for download statistics that one can access?
>>> https://uls.apache.org/exports/
>>>
>>>> I see COMDEV-310 is still open. Does NetBeans have a Snoot account?
>>>>
>>>> --emi
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 4:22 PM Geertjan Wielenga
>>>> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> @Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> and I met at FOSDEM today with our
>>>>> Apache NetBeans mentor @Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>, and he
>>>>> mentioned the publicly available stats here that are gathered per month, on
>>>>> xxxx.apache.org websites, such as netbeans.apache.org -- makes for
>>>>> interesting reading:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://blocky.apache.org/exports
>>>>>
>>>>> Unique visitors, page views, most visited pages, top referrers, geomapping
>>>>> -- all available.
>>>>>
>>>>> He also mentioned:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Snoot+Statistics
>>>>>
>>>>> Stats related to the above are here:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://projects.apache.org/statistics.html
>>>>>
>>>>> But as indicated in the Wiki link above, we can ask for our own account for
>>>>> more details, as I did here:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-310
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Gj
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
Posted by Jens Zurawski <jz...@diegurus.de>.
Most of the surveys are meaningless in any case. E.g.
https://pypl.github.io/IDE.html states:
"The Top IDE Index is created by analyzing how often IDEs' download page
are searched on Google"
Wow... so one can say: "In the crowd of people, who are too lazy or not
able to just go directly to the download site, Netbeans ranking is on
position 6". So I, for example, was never ever in this statistic. I'm
using Netbeans since many years now, and every version I've downloaded
was in going directly to netbeans.org (or now netbeans.apache.org) and
just downloaded it. And my colleagues are just using my downloads from
our local server, so they are also not part of the statistic. So what's
the point of such surveys? Honestly I don't know, for me it's at most a
curious fact in the domain of: useless facts ;-)
cu
Jens
Am 07.02.2020 um 15:23 schrieb Zoran Sevarac:
> Well although this is not of any practical value, I don't think it's a
> waste of time since it's time to put an end on these surveys which can have
> a damaging effect on NetBeans growth.
> The latest survey from Rebel states 3% for NetBeans. These surveys support
> the 'NetBeans is dying' or 'Nobody is using NetBeans anymore' claims and
> that can turn away potential new users.
> And once we make them do the surveys proper way, we'll become 'The
> fastest-growing IDE' instead of the 'The dying IDE'.
> Looking at https://pypl.github.io/IDE.html NetBeans is ranked a bit higher
> then IntelliJ worldwide, but three times lower in the UK where the majority
> of the survey responders came from.
>
> And by the way, backup is being reported as a country in these download
> statistics that Emilian sent.
>
> Cheers
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 2:06 PM Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I'd be in favor of not wasting time on the discussion anymore -- and focus
>> on more useful things right now. :-)
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 2:03 PM Zoran Sevarac <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Emilian thanks for sending these statistics. Interesting to see top 10
>>> countries for downloads.
>>>
>>> US 14742
>>> IN 11315
>>> CN 8579
>>> BR 7943
>>> ES 5931
>>> RU 5856
>>> MX 5552
>>> ID 4790
>>> DE 4771
>>> IT 4281
>>>
>>> By the way this info will help to show that surveys showing only 10% of
>>> NetBeans for Java IDEs are false.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 8:29 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> NetBeans January 202 statistics
>>>>
>>>> --emi
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:12 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> NetBeans december 2019 statistics
>>>>>
>>>>> --emi
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 1:59 PM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Oh, so the server was just renamed? Any of the older data available
>>>> somewhere?
>>>>>> --emi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 12:06 PM Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 01/12/2019 10.52, Emilian Bold wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As far as I can see https://blocky.apache.org/exports does not
>>>> exist
>>>>>>>> anymore. Any other place for download statistics that one can
>>>> access?
>>>>>>> https://uls.apache.org/exports/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I see COMDEV-310 is still open. Does NetBeans have a Snoot
>>> account?
>>>>>>>> --emi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 4:22 PM Geertjan Wielenga
>>>>>>>> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> @Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> and I met at FOSDEM
>> today
>>>> with our
>>>>>>>>> Apache NetBeans mentor @Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>,
>>> and
>>>> he
>>>>>>>>> mentioned the publicly available stats here that are gathered
>>> per
>>>> month, on
>>>>>>>>> xxxx.apache.org websites, such as netbeans.apache.org --
>> makes
>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> interesting reading:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://blocky.apache.org/exports
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unique visitors, page views, most visited pages, top
>> referrers,
>>>> geomapping
>>>>>>>>> -- all available.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He also mentioned:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Snoot+Statistics
>>>>>>>>> Stats related to the above are here:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://projects.apache.org/statistics.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But as indicated in the Wiki link above, we can ask for our
>> own
>>>> account for
>>>>>>>>> more details, as I did here:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-310
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists,
>> visit:
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
>>>>>>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>> University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational Sciences, Department
>> for
>>> Software Engineering
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>> https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-champions>
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Re: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
Posted by Zoran Sevarac <se...@gmail.com>.
How can we get that data?
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020, 18:00 Eirik Bakke, <eb...@ultorg.com> wrote:
> > We can already identify any single client. So this could also be
> achieved by removing duplicates from the log in any month?
>
> Oh, in that case, yes--we should already be able to compile real usage
> statistics then.
>
> How are clients identifiable in the logs? Is there a random number ID
> generated and passed somewhere?
>
> -- Eirik
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 3:45 AM
> To: dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
>
> On Sun, 9 Feb 2020, 04:00 Eirik Bakke, <eb...@ultorg.com> wrote:
>
> > you wouldn't be able to identify any single client.
> >
>
> We can already identify any single client. So this could also be achieved
> by removing duplicates from the log in any month?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
> >
>
RE: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
Posted by Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>.
> We can already identify any single client. So this could also be achieved by removing duplicates from the log in any month?
Oh, in that case, yes--we should already be able to compile real usage statistics then.
How are clients identifiable in the logs? Is there a random number ID generated and passed somewhere?
-- Eirik
-----Original Message-----
From: Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 3:45 AM
To: dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020, 04:00 Eirik Bakke, <eb...@ultorg.com> wrote:
> you wouldn't be able to identify any single client.
>
We can already identify any single client. So this could also be achieved by removing duplicates from the log in any month?
Best wishes,
Neil
>
Re: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020, 04:00 Eirik Bakke, <eb...@ultorg.com> wrote:
> you wouldn't be able to identify any single client.
>
We can already identify any single client. So this could also be achieved
by removing duplicates from the log in any month?
Best wishes,
Neil
>
RE: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
Posted by Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>.
> That would be good. But what would be that parameter? Would it be unique to installation, and is that anonymous?
The parameter would just be a boolean, e.g.:
https://netbeans.apache.org/nb/updates/11.1/updates.xml.gz?firstAutoupdateThisMonth=true
These URLs would show up in the update center's web server logs, together with the server-side request timestamp. To find the number of active monthly users, just grep for "firstAutoupdateThisMonth=true", and count the number of such requests per month.
No information about the client is submitted, and you wouldn't be able to identify any single client. But the totals for each month would still be correct (assuming clients set the firstAutoupdateThisMonth parameter correctly).
-- Eirik
-----Original Message-----
From: Zoran Sevarac <se...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 5:02 PM
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Subject: Re: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
That would be good. But what would be that parameter? Would it be unique to installation, and is that anonymous?
On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 7:10 PM Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com> wrote:
> If we could find a reliable way to measure active users, a good way to
> respond to all the various unscientific surveys would be to simply
> say, on our website, "43,210 active users!" and explain in fine print
> how the number is calculated. That alleviates the main concern--that
> users may be turning away from NetBeans because they think nobody else is using it.
>
> One anonymous way to measure monthly active users would be to count
> the number of requests to the update center. By default the IDE checks
> for updates every week. To avoid double-counting clients, a HTTP
> parameter can be added to the update center request that indicates
> whether the request is the first one made in the current calendar month.
>
> Once monthly active users are measured, a running average over 6 or 12
> months can be calculated for website display purposes, to dampen
> fluctuations due to academic semesters and such.
>
> -- Eirik
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 10:36 AM
> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
>
> Well, this is problematic, too. Firstly, all months are not equal,
> e.g., every March and October usage of NetBeans is higher than other
> months (probably connected to academic years), and secondly, downloads
> do not equal active users (three pings to plugin infrastructure equals
> an active user, i.e., starts of NetBeans.
>
> Let’s leave this whole survey discussion now. It’s clear surveys suck
> and every year we’ve been getting further in making this point.
>
> Gj
>
> On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 16:32, Zoran Sevarac <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Also those statistics don't show anything, unique visitors to a
> > > site is not users.
> > >
> >
> > Actually, statistics provided in Excel file by Emilian for Dec and
> > Jan include also the number of downloads per month which is very
> > likely highly correlated with the number of active users
> >
> > --
> > Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Associate Professor University of Belgrade,
> > Faculty of Organisational Sciences, Department for Software
> > Engineering Java Champion
> > <https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-champions>
> > | Oracle Groundbreaker Ambassador | Deep Netts
> > | <http://www.deepnetts.com>
> > Co-founder & CEO
> >
>
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Re: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
Posted by Zoran Sevarac <se...@gmail.com>.
That would be good. But what would be that parameter? Would it be unique to
installation, and is that anonymous?
On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 7:10 PM Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com> wrote:
> If we could find a reliable way to measure active users, a good way to
> respond to all the various unscientific surveys would be to simply say, on
> our website, "43,210 active users!" and explain in fine print how the
> number is calculated. That alleviates the main concern--that users may be
> turning away from NetBeans because they think nobody else is using it.
>
> One anonymous way to measure monthly active users would be to count the
> number of requests to the update center. By default the IDE checks for
> updates every week. To avoid double-counting clients, a HTTP parameter can
> be added to the update center request that indicates whether the request is
> the first one made in the current calendar month.
>
> Once monthly active users are measured, a running average over 6 or 12
> months can be calculated for website display purposes, to dampen
> fluctuations due to academic semesters and such.
>
> -- Eirik
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 10:36 AM
> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
>
> Well, this is problematic, too. Firstly, all months are not equal, e.g.,
> every March and October usage of NetBeans is higher than other months
> (probably connected to academic years), and secondly, downloads do not
> equal active users (three pings to plugin infrastructure equals an active
> user, i.e., starts of NetBeans.
>
> Let’s leave this whole survey discussion now. It’s clear surveys suck and
> every year we’ve been getting further in making this point.
>
> Gj
>
> On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 16:32, Zoran Sevarac <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Also those statistics don't show anything, unique visitors to a site
> > > is not users.
> > >
> >
> > Actually, statistics provided in Excel file by Emilian for Dec and Jan
> > include also the number of downloads per month which is very likely
> > highly correlated with the number of active users
> >
> > --
> > Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Associate Professor University of Belgrade,
> > Faculty of Organisational Sciences, Department for Software
> > Engineering Java Champion
> > <https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-champions>
> > | Oracle Groundbreaker Ambassador | Deep Netts
> > | <http://www.deepnetts.com>
> > Co-founder & CEO
> >
>
--
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University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational Sciences, Department for
Software Engineering
Java Champion <https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-champions>
| Oracle Groundbreaker Ambassador | Deep Netts <http://www.deepnetts.com>
Co-founder & CEO
RE: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
Posted by Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>.
If we could find a reliable way to measure active users, a good way to respond to all the various unscientific surveys would be to simply say, on our website, "43,210 active users!" and explain in fine print how the number is calculated. That alleviates the main concern--that users may be turning away from NetBeans because they think nobody else is using it.
One anonymous way to measure monthly active users would be to count the number of requests to the update center. By default the IDE checks for updates every week. To avoid double-counting clients, a HTTP parameter can be added to the update center request that indicates whether the request is the first one made in the current calendar month.
Once monthly active users are measured, a running average over 6 or 12 months can be calculated for website display purposes, to dampen fluctuations due to academic semesters and such.
-- Eirik
-----Original Message-----
From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 10:36 AM
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Subject: Re: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
Well, this is problematic, too. Firstly, all months are not equal, e.g., every March and October usage of NetBeans is higher than other months (probably connected to academic years), and secondly, downloads do not equal active users (three pings to plugin infrastructure equals an active user, i.e., starts of NetBeans.
Let’s leave this whole survey discussion now. It’s clear surveys suck and every year we’ve been getting further in making this point.
Gj
On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 16:32, Zoran Sevarac <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Also those statistics don't show anything, unique visitors to a site
> > is not users.
> >
>
> Actually, statistics provided in Excel file by Emilian for Dec and Jan
> include also the number of downloads per month which is very likely
> highly correlated with the number of active users
>
> --
> Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Associate Professor University of Belgrade,
> Faculty of Organisational Sciences, Department for Software
> Engineering Java Champion
> <https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-champions>
> | Oracle Groundbreaker Ambassador | Deep Netts
> | <http://www.deepnetts.com>
> Co-founder & CEO
>
Re: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
Well, this is problematic, too. Firstly, all months are not equal, e.g.,
every March and October usage of NetBeans is higher than other months
(probably connected to academic years), and secondly, downloads do not
equal active users (three pings to plugin infrastructure equals an active
user, i.e., starts of NetBeans.
Let’s leave this whole survey discussion now. It’s clear surveys suck and
every year we’ve been getting further in making this point.
Gj
On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 16:32, Zoran Sevarac <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Also those statistics don't show anything, unique visitors to a site is
> > not users.
> >
>
> Actually, statistics provided in Excel file by Emilian for Dec and Jan
> include also the number of downloads per month which is very likely highly
> correlated with the number of active users
>
> --
> Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Associate Professor
> University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational Sciences, Department for
> Software Engineering
> Java Champion <https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-champions>
> | Oracle Groundbreaker Ambassador | Deep Netts <http://www.deepnetts.com>
> Co-founder & CEO
>
Re: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
Posted by Zoran Sevarac <se...@gmail.com>.
>
> Also those statistics don't show anything, unique visitors to a site is
> not users.
>
Actually, statistics provided in Excel file by Emilian for Dec and Jan
include also the number of downloads per month which is very likely highly
correlated with the number of active users
--
Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Associate Professor
University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational Sciences, Department for
Software Engineering
Java Champion <https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-champions>
| Oracle Groundbreaker Ambassador | Deep Netts <http://www.deepnetts.com>
Co-founder & CEO
Re: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
Posted by John Mc <mc...@gmail.com>.
I'd agree with Geertjan here, no point discussing it.
Also those statistics don't show anything, unique visitors to a site is not
users.
Regards
John
On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 14:23, Zoran Sevarac <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well although this is not of any practical value, I don't think it's a
> waste of time since it's time to put an end on these surveys which can have
> a damaging effect on NetBeans growth.
> The latest survey from Rebel states 3% for NetBeans. These surveys support
> the 'NetBeans is dying' or 'Nobody is using NetBeans anymore' claims and
> that can turn away potential new users.
> And once we make them do the surveys proper way, we'll become 'The
> fastest-growing IDE' instead of the 'The dying IDE'.
> Looking at https://pypl.github.io/IDE.html NetBeans is ranked a bit higher
> then IntelliJ worldwide, but three times lower in the UK where the majority
> of the survey responders came from.
>
> And by the way, backup is being reported as a country in these download
> statistics that Emilian sent.
>
> Cheers
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 2:06 PM Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I'd be in favor of not wasting time on the discussion anymore -- and
> focus
> > on more useful things right now. :-)
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 2:03 PM Zoran Sevarac <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Emilian thanks for sending these statistics. Interesting to see top 10
> > > countries for downloads.
> > >
> > > US 14742
> > > IN 11315
> > > CN 8579
> > > BR 7943
> > > ES 5931
> > > RU 5856
> > > MX 5552
> > > ID 4790
> > > DE 4771
> > > IT 4281
> > >
> > > By the way this info will help to show that surveys showing only 10% of
> > > NetBeans for Java IDEs are false.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 8:29 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > NetBeans January 202 statistics
> > > >
> > > > --emi
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:12 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > NetBeans december 2019 statistics
> > > > >
> > > > > --emi
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 1:59 PM Emilian Bold <
> emilian.bold@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh, so the server was just renamed? Any of the older data
> available
> > > > somewhere?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --emi
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 12:06 PM Daniel Gruno <
> humbedooh@apache.org
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 01/12/2019 10.52, Emilian Bold wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As far as I can see https://blocky.apache.org/exports does
> not
> > > > exist
> > > > > > > > anymore. Any other place for download statistics that one can
> > > > access?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://uls.apache.org/exports/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I see COMDEV-310 is still open. Does NetBeans have a Snoot
> > > account?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --emi
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 4:22 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Hi all,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> @Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> and I met at FOSDEM
> > today
> > > > with our
> > > > > > > >> Apache NetBeans mentor @Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org
> >,
> > > and
> > > > he
> > > > > > > >> mentioned the publicly available stats here that are
> gathered
> > > per
> > > > month, on
> > > > > > > >> xxxx.apache.org websites, such as netbeans.apache.org --
> > makes
> > > > for
> > > > > > > >> interesting reading:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> https://blocky.apache.org/exports
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Unique visitors, page views, most visited pages, top
> > referrers,
> > > > geomapping
> > > > > > > >> -- all available.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> He also mentioned:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Snoot+Statistics
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Stats related to the above are here:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> https://projects.apache.org/statistics.html
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> But as indicated in the Wiki link above, we can ask for our
> > own
> > > > account for
> > > > > > > >> more details, as I did here:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-310
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Gj
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail:
> dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists,
> > visit:
> > > > > > > >
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists,
> visit:
> > > > > > >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > >
> > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > > University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational Sciences, Department
> > for
> > > Software Engineering
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> > https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-champions>
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> > >
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> > >
> >
>
>
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> University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational Sciences, Department for
> Software Engineering
> Java Champion <https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-champions>
> | Oracle Groundbreaker Ambassador | Deep Netts <http://www.deepnetts.com>
> Co-founder & CEO
>
Re: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
Posted by Zoran Sevarac <se...@gmail.com>.
Well although this is not of any practical value, I don't think it's a
waste of time since it's time to put an end on these surveys which can have
a damaging effect on NetBeans growth.
The latest survey from Rebel states 3% for NetBeans. These surveys support
the 'NetBeans is dying' or 'Nobody is using NetBeans anymore' claims and
that can turn away potential new users.
And once we make them do the surveys proper way, we'll become 'The
fastest-growing IDE' instead of the 'The dying IDE'.
Looking at https://pypl.github.io/IDE.html NetBeans is ranked a bit higher
then IntelliJ worldwide, but three times lower in the UK where the majority
of the survey responders came from.
And by the way, backup is being reported as a country in these download
statistics that Emilian sent.
Cheers
On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 2:06 PM Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
wrote:
> I'd be in favor of not wasting time on the discussion anymore -- and focus
> on more useful things right now. :-)
>
> Gj
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 2:03 PM Zoran Sevarac <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Emilian thanks for sending these statistics. Interesting to see top 10
> > countries for downloads.
> >
> > US 14742
> > IN 11315
> > CN 8579
> > BR 7943
> > ES 5931
> > RU 5856
> > MX 5552
> > ID 4790
> > DE 4771
> > IT 4281
> >
> > By the way this info will help to show that surveys showing only 10% of
> > NetBeans for Java IDEs are false.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 8:29 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > NetBeans January 202 statistics
> > >
> > > --emi
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:12 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > NetBeans december 2019 statistics
> > > >
> > > > --emi
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 1:59 PM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, so the server was just renamed? Any of the older data available
> > > somewhere?
> > > > >
> > > > > --emi
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 12:06 PM Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 01/12/2019 10.52, Emilian Bold wrote:
> > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As far as I can see https://blocky.apache.org/exports does not
> > > exist
> > > > > > > anymore. Any other place for download statistics that one can
> > > access?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://uls.apache.org/exports/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I see COMDEV-310 is still open. Does NetBeans have a Snoot
> > account?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --emi
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 4:22 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Hi all,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> @Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> and I met at FOSDEM
> today
> > > with our
> > > > > > >> Apache NetBeans mentor @Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>,
> > and
> > > he
> > > > > > >> mentioned the publicly available stats here that are gathered
> > per
> > > month, on
> > > > > > >> xxxx.apache.org websites, such as netbeans.apache.org --
> makes
> > > for
> > > > > > >> interesting reading:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> https://blocky.apache.org/exports
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Unique visitors, page views, most visited pages, top
> referrers,
> > > geomapping
> > > > > > >> -- all available.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> He also mentioned:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Snoot+Statistics
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Stats related to the above are here:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> https://projects.apache.org/statistics.html
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> But as indicated in the Wiki link above, we can ask for our
> own
> > > account for
> > > > > > >> more details, as I did here:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-310
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Gj
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists,
> visit:
> > > > > > >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > > > > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
> > >
> > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Associate Professor
> > University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational Sciences, Department
> for
> > Software Engineering
> > Java Champion <
> https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-champions>
> > | Oracle Groundbreaker Ambassador | Deep Netts <http://www.deepnetts.com
> >
> > Co-founder & CEO
> >
>
--
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University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational Sciences, Department for
Software Engineering
Java Champion <https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-champions>
| Oracle Groundbreaker Ambassador | Deep Netts <http://www.deepnetts.com>
Co-founder & CEO
Re: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
I'd be in favor of not wasting time on the discussion anymore -- and focus
on more useful things right now. :-)
Gj
On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 2:03 PM Zoran Sevarac <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Emilian thanks for sending these statistics. Interesting to see top 10
> countries for downloads.
>
> US 14742
> IN 11315
> CN 8579
> BR 7943
> ES 5931
> RU 5856
> MX 5552
> ID 4790
> DE 4771
> IT 4281
>
> By the way this info will help to show that surveys showing only 10% of
> NetBeans for Java IDEs are false.
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 8:29 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > NetBeans January 202 statistics
> >
> > --emi
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:12 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > NetBeans december 2019 statistics
> > >
> > > --emi
> > >
> > > On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 1:59 PM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Oh, so the server was just renamed? Any of the older data available
> > somewhere?
> > > >
> > > > --emi
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 12:06 PM Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 01/12/2019 10.52, Emilian Bold wrote:
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As far as I can see https://blocky.apache.org/exports does not
> > exist
> > > > > > anymore. Any other place for download statistics that one can
> > access?
> > > > >
> > > > > https://uls.apache.org/exports/
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I see COMDEV-310 is still open. Does NetBeans have a Snoot
> account?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --emi
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 4:22 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Hi all,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> @Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> and I met at FOSDEM today
> > with our
> > > > > >> Apache NetBeans mentor @Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>,
> and
> > he
> > > > > >> mentioned the publicly available stats here that are gathered
> per
> > month, on
> > > > > >> xxxx.apache.org websites, such as netbeans.apache.org -- makes
> > for
> > > > > >> interesting reading:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> https://blocky.apache.org/exports
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Unique visitors, page views, most visited pages, top referrers,
> > geomapping
> > > > > >> -- all available.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> He also mentioned:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Snoot+Statistics
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Stats related to the above are here:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> https://projects.apache.org/statistics.html
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> But as indicated in the Wiki link above, we can ask for our own
> > account for
> > > > > >> more details, as I did here:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-310
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Gj
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > > > > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >
> > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> >
> >
>
> --
> Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Associate Professor
> University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational Sciences, Department for
> Software Engineering
> Java Champion <https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-champions>
> | Oracle Groundbreaker Ambassador | Deep Netts <http://www.deepnetts.com>
> Co-founder & CEO
>
Re: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
Posted by Zoran Sevarac <se...@gmail.com>.
Emilian thanks for sending these statistics. Interesting to see top 10
countries for downloads.
US 14742
IN 11315
CN 8579
BR 7943
ES 5931
RU 5856
MX 5552
ID 4790
DE 4771
IT 4281
By the way this info will help to show that surveys showing only 10% of
NetBeans for Java IDEs are false.
On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 8:29 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> NetBeans January 202 statistics
>
> --emi
>
> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:12 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > NetBeans december 2019 statistics
> >
> > --emi
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 1:59 PM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh, so the server was just renamed? Any of the older data available
> somewhere?
> > >
> > > --emi
> > >
> > > On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 12:06 PM Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 01/12/2019 10.52, Emilian Bold wrote:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as I can see https://blocky.apache.org/exports does not
> exist
> > > > > anymore. Any other place for download statistics that one can
> access?
> > > >
> > > > https://uls.apache.org/exports/
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I see COMDEV-310 is still open. Does NetBeans have a Snoot account?
> > > > >
> > > > > --emi
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 4:22 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hi all,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> @Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> and I met at FOSDEM today
> with our
> > > > >> Apache NetBeans mentor @Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>, and
> he
> > > > >> mentioned the publicly available stats here that are gathered per
> month, on
> > > > >> xxxx.apache.org websites, such as netbeans.apache.org -- makes
> for
> > > > >> interesting reading:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> https://blocky.apache.org/exports
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Unique visitors, page views, most visited pages, top referrers,
> geomapping
> > > > >> -- all available.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> He also mentioned:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Snoot+Statistics
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Stats related to the above are here:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> https://projects.apache.org/statistics.html
> > > > >>
> > > > >> But as indicated in the Wiki link above, we can ask for our own
> account for
> > > > >> more details, as I did here:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-310
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Gj
> > > > >
> > > > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
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University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational Sciences, Department for
Software Engineering
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| Oracle Groundbreaker Ambassador | Deep Netts <http://www.deepnetts.com>
Co-founder & CEO
Re: Statistics re Apache NetBeans
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>.
NetBeans January 202 statistics
--emi
On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:12 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> NetBeans december 2019 statistics
>
> --emi
>
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 1:59 PM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Oh, so the server was just renamed? Any of the older data available somewhere?
> >
> > --emi
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 12:06 PM Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 01/12/2019 10.52, Emilian Bold wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > As far as I can see https://blocky.apache.org/exports does not exist
> > > > anymore. Any other place for download statistics that one can access?
> > >
> > > https://uls.apache.org/exports/
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I see COMDEV-310 is still open. Does NetBeans have a Snoot account?
> > > >
> > > > --emi
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 4:22 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi all,
> > > >>
> > > >> @Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> and I met at FOSDEM today with our
> > > >> Apache NetBeans mentor @Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>, and he
> > > >> mentioned the publicly available stats here that are gathered per month, on
> > > >> xxxx.apache.org websites, such as netbeans.apache.org -- makes for
> > > >> interesting reading:
> > > >>
> > > >> https://blocky.apache.org/exports
> > > >>
> > > >> Unique visitors, page views, most visited pages, top referrers, geomapping
> > > >> -- all available.
> > > >>
> > > >> He also mentioned:
> > > >>
> > > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Snoot+Statistics
> > > >>
> > > >> Stats related to the above are here:
> > > >>
> > > >> https://projects.apache.org/statistics.html
> > > >>
> > > >> But as indicated in the Wiki link above, we can ask for our own account for
> > > >> more details, as I did here:
> > > >>
> > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-310
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >>
> > > >> Gj
> > > >
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