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Posted to dev@mxnet.apache.org by Hen <ba...@apache.org> on 2018/07/03 17:44:32 UTC
Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
Chris/Mark - is this a Legal (Chris) topic or a Brand Management (Mark)
topic?
I’m hesitant to use a Trademark C&D for what’s in effect a lost account,
but that’s what readthedocs seem to be asking for.
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:15 PM Markham, Aaron <ma...@amazon.com.invalid>
wrote:
> Hi, just bumping this issue again. Can we get a trademark C&D sent to the
> readthedocs folks, so they'll go ahead and remove the derelict website?
> It's still the #4 result in Google for "mxnet install".
>
> What's Apache's process?
>
> Thanks,
> Aaron
>
> On 5/16/18, 8:20 AM, "Hen" <ba...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> It seems we (Apache MXNet) have an old documentation site posted at:
>
> https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
>
> and only the absent @Awyan has the permissions to the site. See
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409 for more
> details.
>
> Raising this with readthedocs.org, we've been asked to submit a DMCA
> request to take down the account:
>
> https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042
>
> Given our docs are Apache licensed I suspect it's really a trademark
> takedown (confused users etc). Does anyone here have any guidance with
> this
> situation? Has anyone had this issue with readthedocs before? Should
> we be
> sending them a Trademark takedown request?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hen
>
>
>
Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
Posted by Naveen Swamy <mn...@gmail.com>.
Ideally we want to remove this site or at the least redirect it to the
mxnet.apache.org website
I don't think we should be maintaining two different sites with same or
similar content, though seems simple at start its going to be headache in
maintaining.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Marco de Abreu <
marco.g.abreu@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> We could add that doc to our CI nightly pipeline or auto generate it by
> extracting certain parts from our website, thus reducing the maintenance
> overhead.
>
> In general, I'd think that it's not feasible to add a redirect. But I think
> it would be desirable to get the readthedocs page under our control and
> bring it back into a good shape. The number of referrals we get from that
> website is quite substantial.
>
> -Marco
>
> Aaron Markham <aa...@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 5. Juli 2018,
> 20:38:
>
> > If they could redirect to the official website that would be ideal.
> > Otherwise, we'd be supporting yet another doc outlet and possibly run
> into
> > the same problem of it getting out of sync and being incorrect.
> >
> > On Jul 5, 2018 10:32, "Craig Russell" <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Peanut gallery please ignore if off topic.
> >
> > Does the mxnet project want to manage the page or remove it?
> >
> > Would it be better to improve the readthedocs page since it is so
> > frequently found when searching for mxnet install?
> >
> > I assume Hen is trying to get the page owner changed to a (P)PMC managed
> > account?
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 5, 2018, at 10:22 AM, Hen <ba...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > I’ve Twitter DM’d one of the core members of ReadTheDocs asking for
> help.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 8:43 AM Chris Mattmann <mattmann@apache.org
> > <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > Hi Hen happy 4th looks like a brand mgmt. topic to me…
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Hen <bayard@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
> > > Reply-To: <dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org <mailto:
> > dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org>>
> >
> > > Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 10:44 AM
> > > To: <dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org <mailto:
> > dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org
> > >>
> > > Cc: "legal-discuss@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>" <
> > legal-discuss@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
> >
> > > Subject: Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris/Mark - is this a Legal (Chris) topic or a Brand Management (Mark)
> > >
> > > topic?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I’m hesitant to use a Trademark C&D for what’s in effect a lost
> account,
> > >
> > > but that’s what readthedocs seem to be asking for.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:15 PM Markham, Aaron
> > <ma...@amazon.com.invalid>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi, just bumping this issue again. Can we get a trademark C&D sent to
> the
> > >
> > > readthedocs folks, so they'll go ahead and remove the derelict website?
> > >
> > > It's still the #4 result in Google for "mxnet install".
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What's Apache's process?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Aaron
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/16/18, 8:20 AM, "Hen" <bayard@apache.org <mailto:
> bayard@apache.org
> > >>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It seems we (Apache MXNet) have an old documentation site posted
> at:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ <
> > https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > and only the absent @Awyan has the permissions to the site. See
> > >
> > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409 <
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409> for more
> > >
> > > details.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Raising this with readthedocs.org <http://readthedocs.org/>,
> we've
> > been asked to submit a DMCA
> >
> > >
> > > request to take down the account:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042 <
> > https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Given our docs are Apache licensed I suspect it's really a
> trademark
> > >
> > > takedown (confused users etc). Does anyone here have any guidance
> > with
> > >
> > > this
> > >
> > > situation? Has anyone had this issue with readthedocs before?
> Should
> > >
> > > we be
> > >
> > > sending them a Trademark takedown request?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Craig L Russell
> > Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
> > clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo <
> > http://db.apache.org/jdo>
> >
>
Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
Posted by Marco de Abreu <ma...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
We could add that doc to our CI nightly pipeline or auto generate it by
extracting certain parts from our website, thus reducing the maintenance
overhead.
In general, I'd think that it's not feasible to add a redirect. But I think
it would be desirable to get the readthedocs page under our control and
bring it back into a good shape. The number of referrals we get from that
website is quite substantial.
-Marco
Aaron Markham <aa...@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 5. Juli 2018,
20:38:
> If they could redirect to the official website that would be ideal.
> Otherwise, we'd be supporting yet another doc outlet and possibly run into
> the same problem of it getting out of sync and being incorrect.
>
> On Jul 5, 2018 10:32, "Craig Russell" <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Peanut gallery please ignore if off topic.
>
> Does the mxnet project want to manage the page or remove it?
>
> Would it be better to improve the readthedocs page since it is so
> frequently found when searching for mxnet install?
>
> I assume Hen is trying to get the page owner changed to a (P)PMC managed
> account?
>
> Craig
>
>
> > On Jul 5, 2018, at 10:22 AM, Hen <ba...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > I’ve Twitter DM’d one of the core members of ReadTheDocs asking for help.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 8:43 AM Chris Mattmann <mattmann@apache.org
> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > Hi Hen happy 4th looks like a brand mgmt. topic to me…
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Hen <bayard@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
> > Reply-To: <dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org <mailto:
> dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org>>
>
> > Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 10:44 AM
> > To: <dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org <mailto:
> dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org
> >>
> > Cc: "legal-discuss@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>" <
> legal-discuss@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
>
> > Subject: Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris/Mark - is this a Legal (Chris) topic or a Brand Management (Mark)
> >
> > topic?
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m hesitant to use a Trademark C&D for what’s in effect a lost account,
> >
> > but that’s what readthedocs seem to be asking for.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:15 PM Markham, Aaron
> <ma...@amazon.com.invalid>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi, just bumping this issue again. Can we get a trademark C&D sent to the
> >
> > readthedocs folks, so they'll go ahead and remove the derelict website?
> >
> > It's still the #4 result in Google for "mxnet install".
> >
> >
> >
> > What's Apache's process?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/16/18, 8:20 AM, "Hen" <bayard@apache.org <mailto:bayard@apache.org
> >>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > It seems we (Apache MXNet) have an old documentation site posted at:
> >
> >
> >
> > https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ <
> https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > and only the absent @Awyan has the permissions to the site. See
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409 <
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409> for more
> >
> > details.
> >
> >
> >
> > Raising this with readthedocs.org <http://readthedocs.org/>, we've
> been asked to submit a DMCA
>
> >
> > request to take down the account:
> >
> >
> >
> > https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042 <
> https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Given our docs are Apache licensed I suspect it's really a trademark
> >
> > takedown (confused users etc). Does anyone here have any guidance
> with
> >
> > this
> >
> > situation? Has anyone had this issue with readthedocs before? Should
> >
> > we be
> >
> > sending them a Trademark takedown request?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > Hen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Craig L Russell
> Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
> clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo <
> http://db.apache.org/jdo>
>
Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
Posted by Marco de Abreu <ma...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
We could add that doc to our CI nightly pipeline or auto generate it by
extracting certain parts from our website, thus reducing the maintenance
overhead.
In general, I'd think that it's not feasible to add a redirect. But I think
it would be desirable to get the readthedocs page under our control and
bring it back into a good shape. The number of referrals we get from that
website is quite substantial.
-Marco
Aaron Markham <aa...@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 5. Juli 2018,
20:38:
> If they could redirect to the official website that would be ideal.
> Otherwise, we'd be supporting yet another doc outlet and possibly run into
> the same problem of it getting out of sync and being incorrect.
>
> On Jul 5, 2018 10:32, "Craig Russell" <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Peanut gallery please ignore if off topic.
>
> Does the mxnet project want to manage the page or remove it?
>
> Would it be better to improve the readthedocs page since it is so
> frequently found when searching for mxnet install?
>
> I assume Hen is trying to get the page owner changed to a (P)PMC managed
> account?
>
> Craig
>
>
> > On Jul 5, 2018, at 10:22 AM, Hen <ba...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > I’ve Twitter DM’d one of the core members of ReadTheDocs asking for help.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 8:43 AM Chris Mattmann <mattmann@apache.org
> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > Hi Hen happy 4th looks like a brand mgmt. topic to me…
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Hen <bayard@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
> > Reply-To: <dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org <mailto:
> dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org>>
>
> > Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 10:44 AM
> > To: <dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org <mailto:
> dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org
> >>
> > Cc: "legal-discuss@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>" <
> legal-discuss@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
>
> > Subject: Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris/Mark - is this a Legal (Chris) topic or a Brand Management (Mark)
> >
> > topic?
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m hesitant to use a Trademark C&D for what’s in effect a lost account,
> >
> > but that’s what readthedocs seem to be asking for.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:15 PM Markham, Aaron
> <ma...@amazon.com.invalid>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi, just bumping this issue again. Can we get a trademark C&D sent to the
> >
> > readthedocs folks, so they'll go ahead and remove the derelict website?
> >
> > It's still the #4 result in Google for "mxnet install".
> >
> >
> >
> > What's Apache's process?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/16/18, 8:20 AM, "Hen" <bayard@apache.org <mailto:bayard@apache.org
> >>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > It seems we (Apache MXNet) have an old documentation site posted at:
> >
> >
> >
> > https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ <
> https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > and only the absent @Awyan has the permissions to the site. See
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409 <
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409> for more
> >
> > details.
> >
> >
> >
> > Raising this with readthedocs.org <http://readthedocs.org/>, we've
> been asked to submit a DMCA
>
> >
> > request to take down the account:
> >
> >
> >
> > https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042 <
> https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Given our docs are Apache licensed I suspect it's really a trademark
> >
> > takedown (confused users etc). Does anyone here have any guidance
> with
> >
> > this
> >
> > situation? Has anyone had this issue with readthedocs before? Should
> >
> > we be
> >
> > sending them a Trademark takedown request?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > Hen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Craig L Russell
> Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
> clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo <
> http://db.apache.org/jdo>
>
Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
Posted by Aaron Markham <aa...@gmail.com>.
If they could redirect to the official website that would be ideal.
Otherwise, we'd be supporting yet another doc outlet and possibly run into
the same problem of it getting out of sync and being incorrect.
On Jul 5, 2018 10:32, "Craig Russell" <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
Peanut gallery please ignore if off topic.
Does the mxnet project want to manage the page or remove it?
Would it be better to improve the readthedocs page since it is so
frequently found when searching for mxnet install?
I assume Hen is trying to get the page owner changed to a (P)PMC managed
account?
Craig
> On Jul 5, 2018, at 10:22 AM, Hen <ba...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I’ve Twitter DM’d one of the core members of ReadTheDocs asking for help.
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 8:43 AM Chris Mattmann <mattmann@apache.org
<ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> Hi Hen happy 4th looks like a brand mgmt. topic to me…
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Hen <bayard@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
> Reply-To: <dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org <mailto:
dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org>>
> Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 10:44 AM
> To: <dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org <mailto:dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org
>>
> Cc: "legal-discuss@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>" <
legal-discuss@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
> Subject: Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
>
>
>
> Chris/Mark - is this a Legal (Chris) topic or a Brand Management (Mark)
>
> topic?
>
>
>
> I’m hesitant to use a Trademark C&D for what’s in effect a lost account,
>
> but that’s what readthedocs seem to be asking for.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:15 PM Markham, Aaron
<ma...@amazon.com.invalid>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi, just bumping this issue again. Can we get a trademark C&D sent to the
>
> readthedocs folks, so they'll go ahead and remove the derelict website?
>
> It's still the #4 result in Google for "mxnet install".
>
>
>
> What's Apache's process?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
> On 5/16/18, 8:20 AM, "Hen" <bayard@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
wrote:
>
>
>
> It seems we (Apache MXNet) have an old documentation site posted at:
>
>
>
> https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ <
https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/>
>
>
>
> and only the absent @Awyan has the permissions to the site. See
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409 <
https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409> for more
>
> details.
>
>
>
> Raising this with readthedocs.org <http://readthedocs.org/>, we've
been asked to submit a DMCA
>
> request to take down the account:
>
>
>
> https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042 <
https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042>
>
>
>
> Given our docs are Apache licensed I suspect it's really a trademark
>
> takedown (confused users etc). Does anyone here have any guidance
with
>
> this
>
> situation? Has anyone had this issue with readthedocs before? Should
>
> we be
>
> sending them a Trademark takedown request?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Hen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Craig L Russell
Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo <
http://db.apache.org/jdo>
Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
Posted by Aaron Markham <aa...@gmail.com>.
If they could redirect to the official website that would be ideal.
Otherwise, we'd be supporting yet another doc outlet and possibly run into
the same problem of it getting out of sync and being incorrect.
On Jul 5, 2018 10:32, "Craig Russell" <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
Peanut gallery please ignore if off topic.
Does the mxnet project want to manage the page or remove it?
Would it be better to improve the readthedocs page since it is so
frequently found when searching for mxnet install?
I assume Hen is trying to get the page owner changed to a (P)PMC managed
account?
Craig
> On Jul 5, 2018, at 10:22 AM, Hen <ba...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I’ve Twitter DM’d one of the core members of ReadTheDocs asking for help.
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 8:43 AM Chris Mattmann <mattmann@apache.org
<ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> Hi Hen happy 4th looks like a brand mgmt. topic to me…
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Hen <bayard@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
> Reply-To: <dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org <mailto:
dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org>>
> Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 10:44 AM
> To: <dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org <mailto:dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org
>>
> Cc: "legal-discuss@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>" <
legal-discuss@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
> Subject: Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
>
>
>
> Chris/Mark - is this a Legal (Chris) topic or a Brand Management (Mark)
>
> topic?
>
>
>
> I’m hesitant to use a Trademark C&D for what’s in effect a lost account,
>
> but that’s what readthedocs seem to be asking for.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:15 PM Markham, Aaron
<ma...@amazon.com.invalid>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi, just bumping this issue again. Can we get a trademark C&D sent to the
>
> readthedocs folks, so they'll go ahead and remove the derelict website?
>
> It's still the #4 result in Google for "mxnet install".
>
>
>
> What's Apache's process?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
> On 5/16/18, 8:20 AM, "Hen" <bayard@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
wrote:
>
>
>
> It seems we (Apache MXNet) have an old documentation site posted at:
>
>
>
> https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ <
https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/>
>
>
>
> and only the absent @Awyan has the permissions to the site. See
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409 <
https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409> for more
>
> details.
>
>
>
> Raising this with readthedocs.org <http://readthedocs.org/>, we've
been asked to submit a DMCA
>
> request to take down the account:
>
>
>
> https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042 <
https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042>
>
>
>
> Given our docs are Apache licensed I suspect it's really a trademark
>
> takedown (confused users etc). Does anyone here have any guidance
with
>
> this
>
> situation? Has anyone had this issue with readthedocs before? Should
>
> we be
>
> sending them a Trademark takedown request?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Hen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Craig L Russell
Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo <
http://db.apache.org/jdo>
Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
Posted by Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>.
Peanut gallery please ignore if off topic.
Does the mxnet project want to manage the page or remove it?
Would it be better to improve the readthedocs page since it is so frequently found when searching for mxnet install?
I assume Hen is trying to get the page owner changed to a (P)PMC managed account?
Craig
> On Jul 5, 2018, at 10:22 AM, Hen <ba...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I’ve Twitter DM’d one of the core members of ReadTheDocs asking for help.
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 8:43 AM Chris Mattmann <mattmann@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> Hi Hen happy 4th looks like a brand mgmt. topic to me…
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Hen <bayard@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
> Reply-To: <dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org <ma...@mxnet.incubator.apache.org>>
> Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 10:44 AM
> To: <dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org <ma...@mxnet.incubator.apache.org>>
> Cc: "legal-discuss@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>" <legal-discuss@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
> Subject: Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
>
>
>
> Chris/Mark - is this a Legal (Chris) topic or a Brand Management (Mark)
>
> topic?
>
>
>
> I’m hesitant to use a Trademark C&D for what’s in effect a lost account,
>
> but that’s what readthedocs seem to be asking for.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:15 PM Markham, Aaron <ma...@amazon.com.invalid>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi, just bumping this issue again. Can we get a trademark C&D sent to the
>
> readthedocs folks, so they'll go ahead and remove the derelict website?
>
> It's still the #4 result in Google for "mxnet install".
>
>
>
> What's Apache's process?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
> On 5/16/18, 8:20 AM, "Hen" <bayard@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>
>
>
> It seems we (Apache MXNet) have an old documentation site posted at:
>
>
>
> https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ <https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/>
>
>
>
> and only the absent @Awyan has the permissions to the site. See
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409 <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409> for more
>
> details.
>
>
>
> Raising this with readthedocs.org <http://readthedocs.org/>, we've been asked to submit a DMCA
>
> request to take down the account:
>
>
>
> https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042 <https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042>
>
>
>
> Given our docs are Apache licensed I suspect it's really a trademark
>
> takedown (confused users etc). Does anyone here have any guidance with
>
> this
>
> situation? Has anyone had this issue with readthedocs before? Should
>
> we be
>
> sending them a Trademark takedown request?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Hen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Craig L Russell
Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo <http://db.apache.org/jdo>
Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
Posted by Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>.
Peanut gallery please ignore if off topic.
Does the mxnet project want to manage the page or remove it?
Would it be better to improve the readthedocs page since it is so frequently found when searching for mxnet install?
I assume Hen is trying to get the page owner changed to a (P)PMC managed account?
Craig
> On Jul 5, 2018, at 10:22 AM, Hen <ba...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I’ve Twitter DM’d one of the core members of ReadTheDocs asking for help.
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 8:43 AM Chris Mattmann <mattmann@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> Hi Hen happy 4th looks like a brand mgmt. topic to me…
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Hen <bayard@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
> Reply-To: <dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org <ma...@mxnet.incubator.apache.org>>
> Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 10:44 AM
> To: <dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org <ma...@mxnet.incubator.apache.org>>
> Cc: "legal-discuss@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>" <legal-discuss@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
> Subject: Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
>
>
>
> Chris/Mark - is this a Legal (Chris) topic or a Brand Management (Mark)
>
> topic?
>
>
>
> I’m hesitant to use a Trademark C&D for what’s in effect a lost account,
>
> but that’s what readthedocs seem to be asking for.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:15 PM Markham, Aaron <ma...@amazon.com.invalid>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi, just bumping this issue again. Can we get a trademark C&D sent to the
>
> readthedocs folks, so they'll go ahead and remove the derelict website?
>
> It's still the #4 result in Google for "mxnet install".
>
>
>
> What's Apache's process?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
> On 5/16/18, 8:20 AM, "Hen" <bayard@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>
>
>
> It seems we (Apache MXNet) have an old documentation site posted at:
>
>
>
> https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ <https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/>
>
>
>
> and only the absent @Awyan has the permissions to the site. See
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409 <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409> for more
>
> details.
>
>
>
> Raising this with readthedocs.org <http://readthedocs.org/>, we've been asked to submit a DMCA
>
> request to take down the account:
>
>
>
> https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042 <https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042>
>
>
>
> Given our docs are Apache licensed I suspect it's really a trademark
>
> takedown (confused users etc). Does anyone here have any guidance with
>
> this
>
> situation? Has anyone had this issue with readthedocs before? Should
>
> we be
>
> sending them a Trademark takedown request?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Hen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Craig L Russell
Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo <http://db.apache.org/jdo>
Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
Posted by Hen <ba...@apache.org>.
I’ve Twitter DM’d one of the core members of ReadTheDocs asking for help.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 8:43 AM Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Hen happy 4th looks like a brand mgmt. topic to me…
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Hen <ba...@apache.org>
> Reply-To: <de...@mxnet.incubator.apache.org>
> Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 10:44 AM
> To: <de...@mxnet.incubator.apache.org>
> Cc: "legal-discuss@apache.org" <le...@apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
>
>
>
> Chris/Mark - is this a Legal (Chris) topic or a Brand Management (Mark)
>
> topic?
>
>
>
> I’m hesitant to use a Trademark C&D for what’s in effect a lost account,
>
> but that’s what readthedocs seem to be asking for.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:15 PM Markham, Aaron <markhama@amazon.com.invalid
> >
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi, just bumping this issue again. Can we get a trademark C&D sent to the
>
> readthedocs folks, so they'll go ahead and remove the derelict website?
>
> It's still the #4 result in Google for "mxnet install".
>
>
>
> What's Apache's process?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
> On 5/16/18, 8:20 AM, "Hen" <ba...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> It seems we (Apache MXNet) have an old documentation site posted at:
>
>
>
> https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
>
>
>
> and only the absent @Awyan has the permissions to the site. See
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409 for more
>
> details.
>
>
>
> Raising this with readthedocs.org, we've been asked to submit a DMCA
>
> request to take down the account:
>
>
>
> https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042
>
>
>
> Given our docs are Apache licensed I suspect it's really a trademark
>
> takedown (confused users etc). Does anyone here have any guidance with
>
> this
>
> situation? Has anyone had this issue with readthedocs before? Should
>
> we be
>
> sending them a Trademark takedown request?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Hen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
Posted by Hen <ba...@apache.org>.
I’ve Twitter DM’d one of the core members of ReadTheDocs asking for help.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 8:43 AM Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Hen happy 4th looks like a brand mgmt. topic to me…
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Hen <ba...@apache.org>
> Reply-To: <de...@mxnet.incubator.apache.org>
> Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 10:44 AM
> To: <de...@mxnet.incubator.apache.org>
> Cc: "legal-discuss@apache.org" <le...@apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
>
>
>
> Chris/Mark - is this a Legal (Chris) topic or a Brand Management (Mark)
>
> topic?
>
>
>
> I’m hesitant to use a Trademark C&D for what’s in effect a lost account,
>
> but that’s what readthedocs seem to be asking for.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:15 PM Markham, Aaron <markhama@amazon.com.invalid
> >
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi, just bumping this issue again. Can we get a trademark C&D sent to the
>
> readthedocs folks, so they'll go ahead and remove the derelict website?
>
> It's still the #4 result in Google for "mxnet install".
>
>
>
> What's Apache's process?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
> On 5/16/18, 8:20 AM, "Hen" <ba...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> It seems we (Apache MXNet) have an old documentation site posted at:
>
>
>
> https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
>
>
>
> and only the absent @Awyan has the permissions to the site. See
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409 for more
>
> details.
>
>
>
> Raising this with readthedocs.org, we've been asked to submit a DMCA
>
> request to take down the account:
>
>
>
> https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042
>
>
>
> Given our docs are Apache licensed I suspect it's really a trademark
>
> takedown (confused users etc). Does anyone here have any guidance with
>
> this
>
> situation? Has anyone had this issue with readthedocs before? Should
>
> we be
>
> sending them a Trademark takedown request?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Hen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
Posted by Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org>.
Hi Hen happy 4th looks like a brand mgmt. topic to me…
Cheers,
Chris
From: Hen <ba...@apache.org>
Reply-To: <de...@mxnet.incubator.apache.org>
Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 10:44 AM
To: <de...@mxnet.incubator.apache.org>
Cc: "legal-discuss@apache.org" <le...@apache.org>
Subject: Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
Chris/Mark - is this a Legal (Chris) topic or a Brand Management (Mark)
topic?
I’m hesitant to use a Trademark C&D for what’s in effect a lost account,
but that’s what readthedocs seem to be asking for.
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:15 PM Markham, Aaron <ma...@amazon.com.invalid>
wrote:
Hi, just bumping this issue again. Can we get a trademark C&D sent to the
readthedocs folks, so they'll go ahead and remove the derelict website?
It's still the #4 result in Google for "mxnet install".
What's Apache's process?
Thanks,
Aaron
On 5/16/18, 8:20 AM, "Hen" <ba...@apache.org> wrote:
It seems we (Apache MXNet) have an old documentation site posted at:
https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
and only the absent @Awyan has the permissions to the site. See
https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409 for more
details.
Raising this with readthedocs.org, we've been asked to submit a DMCA
request to take down the account:
https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042
Given our docs are Apache licensed I suspect it's really a trademark
takedown (confused users etc). Does anyone here have any guidance with
this
situation? Has anyone had this issue with readthedocs before? Should
we be
sending them a Trademark takedown request?
Thanks,
Hen
Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
Posted by Hen <ba...@apache.org>.
Makes sense (sorry - got my memory switched on the trademark/dmca aide of
things).
I’ll see on members to see if anyone has a connection to readthedocs.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 1:00 PM Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 03/07/18 18:44, Hen wrote:
> > Chris/Mark - is this a Legal (Chris) topic or a Brand Management (Mark)
> > topic?
>
> Personally, I would not be prepared to sign a DMCA for this without
> legal advice. Even then I may not.
>
> Section 2 of the ALv2 effectively authorises this particular use.
>
> DMCA take down notices require a statement that the use is unauthorised.
>
> Signatories are required to declare, under penalty of perjury, that the
> take down notice is true and correct.
>
>
> I would hope that a readthedocs core maintainer would be able to resolve
> this. The abandoned project process also looks like an option - and
> would allow the project to benefit from serving current docs at what
> appears to be a popular place to look for them.
>
> Mark
>
>
> >
> > I’m hesitant to use a Trademark C&D for what’s in effect a lost account,
> > but that’s what readthedocs seem to be asking for.
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:15 PM Markham, Aaron
> > <ma...@amazon.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, just bumping this issue again. Can we get a trademark C&D sent
> > to the readthedocs folks, so they'll go ahead and remove the
> > derelict website? It's still the #4 result in Google for "mxnet
> > install".
> >
> > What's Apache's process?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Aaron
> >
> > On 5/16/18, 8:20 AM, "Hen" <bayard@apache.org
> > <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> >
> > It seems we (Apache MXNet) have an old documentation site posted
> at:
> >
> > https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
> >
> > and only the absent @Awyan has the permissions to the site. See
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409 for more
> > details.
> >
> > Raising this with readthedocs.org <http://readthedocs.org>,
> > we've been asked to submit a DMCA
> > request to take down the account:
> >
> > https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042
> >
> > Given our docs are Apache licensed I suspect it's really a
> trademark
> > takedown (confused users etc). Does anyone here have any
> > guidance with this
> > situation? Has anyone had this issue with readthedocs before?
> > Should we be
> > sending them a Trademark takedown request?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Hen
> >
> >
>
>
Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
Posted by Hen <ba...@apache.org>.
Makes sense (sorry - got my memory switched on the trademark/dmca aide of
things).
I’ll see on members to see if anyone has a connection to readthedocs.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 1:00 PM Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 03/07/18 18:44, Hen wrote:
> > Chris/Mark - is this a Legal (Chris) topic or a Brand Management (Mark)
> > topic?
>
> Personally, I would not be prepared to sign a DMCA for this without
> legal advice. Even then I may not.
>
> Section 2 of the ALv2 effectively authorises this particular use.
>
> DMCA take down notices require a statement that the use is unauthorised.
>
> Signatories are required to declare, under penalty of perjury, that the
> take down notice is true and correct.
>
>
> I would hope that a readthedocs core maintainer would be able to resolve
> this. The abandoned project process also looks like an option - and
> would allow the project to benefit from serving current docs at what
> appears to be a popular place to look for them.
>
> Mark
>
>
> >
> > I’m hesitant to use a Trademark C&D for what’s in effect a lost account,
> > but that’s what readthedocs seem to be asking for.
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:15 PM Markham, Aaron
> > <ma...@amazon.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, just bumping this issue again. Can we get a trademark C&D sent
> > to the readthedocs folks, so they'll go ahead and remove the
> > derelict website? It's still the #4 result in Google for "mxnet
> > install".
> >
> > What's Apache's process?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Aaron
> >
> > On 5/16/18, 8:20 AM, "Hen" <bayard@apache.org
> > <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> >
> > It seems we (Apache MXNet) have an old documentation site posted
> at:
> >
> > https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
> >
> > and only the absent @Awyan has the permissions to the site. See
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409 for more
> > details.
> >
> > Raising this with readthedocs.org <http://readthedocs.org>,
> > we've been asked to submit a DMCA
> > request to take down the account:
> >
> > https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042
> >
> > Given our docs are Apache licensed I suspect it's really a
> trademark
> > takedown (confused users etc). Does anyone here have any
> > guidance with this
> > situation? Has anyone had this issue with readthedocs before?
> > Should we be
> > sending them a Trademark takedown request?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Hen
> >
> >
>
>
Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 03/07/18 18:44, Hen wrote:
> Chris/Mark - is this a Legal (Chris) topic or a Brand Management (Mark)
> topic?
Personally, I would not be prepared to sign a DMCA for this without
legal advice. Even then I may not.
Section 2 of the ALv2 effectively authorises this particular use.
DMCA take down notices require a statement that the use is unauthorised.
Signatories are required to declare, under penalty of perjury, that the
take down notice is true and correct.
I would hope that a readthedocs core maintainer would be able to resolve
this. The abandoned project process also looks like an option - and
would allow the project to benefit from serving current docs at what
appears to be a popular place to look for them.
Mark
>
> I’m hesitant to use a Trademark C&D for what’s in effect a lost account,
> but that’s what readthedocs seem to be asking for.
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:15 PM Markham, Aaron
> <ma...@amazon.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> Hi, just bumping this issue again. Can we get a trademark C&D sent
> to the readthedocs folks, so they'll go ahead and remove the
> derelict website? It's still the #4 result in Google for "mxnet
> install".
>
> What's Apache's process?
>
> Thanks,
> Aaron
>
> On 5/16/18, 8:20 AM, "Hen" <bayard@apache.org
> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>
> It seems we (Apache MXNet) have an old documentation site posted at:
>
> https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
>
> and only the absent @Awyan has the permissions to the site. See
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409 for more
> details.
>
> Raising this with readthedocs.org <http://readthedocs.org>,
> we've been asked to submit a DMCA
> request to take down the account:
>
> https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042
>
> Given our docs are Apache licensed I suspect it's really a trademark
> takedown (confused users etc). Does anyone here have any
> guidance with this
> situation? Has anyone had this issue with readthedocs before?
> Should we be
> sending them a Trademark takedown request?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hen
>
>
Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
Posted by Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org>.
Hi Hen happy 4th looks like a brand mgmt. topic to me…
Cheers,
Chris
From: Hen <ba...@apache.org>
Reply-To: <de...@mxnet.incubator.apache.org>
Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 10:44 AM
To: <de...@mxnet.incubator.apache.org>
Cc: "legal-discuss@apache.org" <le...@apache.org>
Subject: Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
Chris/Mark - is this a Legal (Chris) topic or a Brand Management (Mark)
topic?
I’m hesitant to use a Trademark C&D for what’s in effect a lost account,
but that’s what readthedocs seem to be asking for.
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:15 PM Markham, Aaron <ma...@amazon.com.invalid>
wrote:
Hi, just bumping this issue again. Can we get a trademark C&D sent to the
readthedocs folks, so they'll go ahead and remove the derelict website?
It's still the #4 result in Google for "mxnet install".
What's Apache's process?
Thanks,
Aaron
On 5/16/18, 8:20 AM, "Hen" <ba...@apache.org> wrote:
It seems we (Apache MXNet) have an old documentation site posted at:
https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
and only the absent @Awyan has the permissions to the site. See
https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409 for more
details.
Raising this with readthedocs.org, we've been asked to submit a DMCA
request to take down the account:
https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042
Given our docs are Apache licensed I suspect it's really a trademark
takedown (confused users etc). Does anyone here have any guidance with
this
situation? Has anyone had this issue with readthedocs before? Should
we be
sending them a Trademark takedown request?
Thanks,
Hen
Re: Abandoned MXNet readthedocs site
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 03/07/18 18:44, Hen wrote:
> Chris/Mark - is this a Legal (Chris) topic or a Brand Management (Mark)
> topic?
Personally, I would not be prepared to sign a DMCA for this without
legal advice. Even then I may not.
Section 2 of the ALv2 effectively authorises this particular use.
DMCA take down notices require a statement that the use is unauthorised.
Signatories are required to declare, under penalty of perjury, that the
take down notice is true and correct.
I would hope that a readthedocs core maintainer would be able to resolve
this. The abandoned project process also looks like an option - and
would allow the project to benefit from serving current docs at what
appears to be a popular place to look for them.
Mark
>
> I’m hesitant to use a Trademark C&D for what’s in effect a lost account,
> but that’s what readthedocs seem to be asking for.
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:15 PM Markham, Aaron
> <ma...@amazon.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> Hi, just bumping this issue again. Can we get a trademark C&D sent
> to the readthedocs folks, so they'll go ahead and remove the
> derelict website? It's still the #4 result in Google for "mxnet
> install".
>
> What's Apache's process?
>
> Thanks,
> Aaron
>
> On 5/16/18, 8:20 AM, "Hen" <bayard@apache.org
> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>
> It seems we (Apache MXNet) have an old documentation site posted at:
>
> https://newdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
>
> and only the absent @Awyan has the permissions to the site. See
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/10409 for more
> details.
>
> Raising this with readthedocs.org <http://readthedocs.org>,
> we've been asked to submit a DMCA
> request to take down the account:
>
> https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/4042
>
> Given our docs are Apache licensed I suspect it's really a trademark
> takedown (confused users etc). Does anyone here have any
> guidance with this
> situation? Has anyone had this issue with readthedocs before?
> Should we be
> sending them a Trademark takedown request?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hen
>
>
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