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Posted to users@cloudstack.apache.org by Philip Wege <ph...@binobyte.com> on 2014/09/12 13:34:15 UTC
Cloudstack Networking Question
Hi All
I'm new to Cloudstack and I have been through the documentation but it doesn't give me a straight answer on the following question I have regarding Networking design. Hopefully someone here can help.
The Hypervisor I would like to use is KVM.
I don't want to use any Virtual Router / NAT or LB features offered by cloudstack , I just need the guest virtual machines on a specified vlan to be able to communicate to any other hardware device that is also on the same vlan which may be outside of the cloudstack setup, wether it be a router / firewall or hardware servers.
Is this supported and which network mode does this if it is supported ?
Regards
Philip
RE: Cloudstack Networking Question
Posted by Paul Angus <pa...@shapeblue.com>.
Hi Philip,
CloudStack will always need a 'Public' Network to be configured in an advanced network for secondary storage VMs, console proxies as well as any isolated networks which MIGHT need a public IP. However the public network can be part of an internal RFC range which is not directly on the internet. You'll likely need that 'internal public' range to be able to reach the internet though to download templates etc.
Regards
Paul Angus
Cloud Architect
S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447711418784 | T: CloudyAngus
paul.angus@shapeblue.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Wege [mailto:philipw@binobyte.com]
Sent: 16 September 2014 14:09
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: RE: Cloudstack Networking Question
Hi All
I have been trying to create a pod for this network setup , but when I try to setup a POD the system requires me to fill in public and private network detials. I can't seem to create a pod where there is only one management , storage and guest network and multiple vlans on theon the guest network.
On the network setup I can't seem to drag the public off the network interfaces , it this important or can I ignore the fact that public has to be there ?
Regards
Philip
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Angus [mailto:paul.angus@shapeblue.com]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 10:55 AM
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: RE: Cloudstack Networking Question
Hi Philip,
If you create shared networks you'll need to consider which (if any) other accounts/domain which you want to be able to use these networks. From experience, users can have a habit of clicking the first thing they see. So you'll want to look at possibly 'dedicating' these networks to a particular account or domain.
Alternatively you can create a custom isolated network offering without NAT, but which allows you to specify IP range and VLAN. 'Users' can create networks using this offering whereas only the 'root admins' can create shared networks.
As always - 'It Depends' on your specific use case.
Regards,
Paul Angus
Cloud Architect
S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447711418784 | T: @CloudyAngus paul.angus@shapeblue.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Wege [mailto:philipw@binobyte.com]
Sent: 15 September 2014 09:07
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: RE: Cloudstack Networking Question
Thank you Claus and Erik
Erik it will be a multiple vlan environment and thanks and I will give this network mode a test drive :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbolous@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 1:47 PM
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Cloudstack Networking Question
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Philip Wege <ph...@binobyte.com> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I'm new to Cloudstack and I have been through the documentation but it
> doesn't give me a straight answer on the following question I have
> regarding Networking design. Hopefully someone here can help.
>
> The Hypervisor I would like to use is KVM.
>
> I don't want to use any Virtual Router / NAT or LB features offered by
> cloudstack , I just need the guest virtual machines on a specified
> vlan to be able to communicate to any other hardware device that is
> also on the same vlan which may be outside of the cloudstack setup,
> wether it be a router / firewall or hardware servers.
>
>
Is this going to be one single VLAN for your entire deployment/use? In that case you can use Basic networking.
If you want to use several VLANs you could use Advanced networking, but define the networks manually as shared networks.
--
Erik
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
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CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
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RE: Cloudstack Networking Question
Posted by Philip Wege <ph...@binobyte.com>.
Hi All
I have been trying to create a pod for this network setup , but when I try to setup a POD the system requires me to fill in public and private network detials. I can't seem to create a pod where there is only one management , storage and guest network and multiple vlans on the on the guest network.
On the network setup I can't seem to drag the public off the network interfaces , it this important or can I ignore the fact that public has to be there ?
Regards
Philip
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Angus [mailto:paul.angus@shapeblue.com]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 10:55 AM
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: RE: Cloudstack Networking Question
Hi Philip,
If you create shared networks you'll need to consider which (if any) other accounts/domain which you want to be able to use these networks. From experience, users can have a habit of clicking the first thing they see. So you'll want to look at possibly 'dedicating' these networks to a particular account or domain.
Alternatively you can create a custom isolated network offering without NAT, but which allows you to specify IP range and VLAN. 'Users' can create networks using this offering whereas only the 'root admins' can create shared networks.
As always - 'It Depends' on your specific use case.
Regards,
Paul Angus
Cloud Architect
S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447711418784 | T: @CloudyAngus paul.angus@shapeblue.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Wege [mailto:philipw@binobyte.com]
Sent: 15 September 2014 09:07
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: RE: Cloudstack Networking Question
Thank you Claus and Erik
Erik it will be a multiple vlan environment and thanks and I will give this network mode a test drive :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbolous@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 1:47 PM
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Cloudstack Networking Question
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Philip Wege <ph...@binobyte.com> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I'm new to Cloudstack and I have been through the documentation but it
> doesn't give me a straight answer on the following question I have
> regarding Networking design. Hopefully someone here can help.
>
> The Hypervisor I would like to use is KVM.
>
> I don't want to use any Virtual Router / NAT or LB features offered by
> cloudstack , I just need the guest virtual machines on a specified
> vlan to be able to communicate to any other hardware device that is
> also on the same vlan which may be outside of the cloudstack setup,
> wether it be a router / firewall or hardware servers.
>
>
Is this going to be one single VLAN for your entire deployment/use? In that case you can use Basic networking.
If you want to use several VLANs you could use Advanced networking, but define the networks manually as shared networks.
--
Erik
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
RE: Cloudstack Networking Question
Posted by Paul Angus <pa...@shapeblue.com>.
Hi Philip,
If you create shared networks you'll need to consider which (if any) other accounts/domain which you want to be able to use these networks. From experience, users can have a habit of clicking the first thing they see. So you'll want to look at possibly 'dedicating' these networks to a particular account or domain.
Alternatively you can create a custom isolated network offering without NAT, but which allows you to specify IP range and VLAN. 'Users' can create networks using this offering whereas only the 'root admins' can create shared networks.
As always - 'It Depends' on your specific use case.
Regards,
Paul Angus
Cloud Architect
S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447711418784 | T: @CloudyAngus
paul.angus@shapeblue.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Wege [mailto:philipw@binobyte.com]
Sent: 15 September 2014 09:07
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: RE: Cloudstack Networking Question
Thank you Claus and Erik
Erik it will be a multiple vlan environment and thanks and I will give this network mode a test drive :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbolous@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 1:47 PM
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Cloudstack Networking Question
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Philip Wege <ph...@binobyte.com> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I'm new to Cloudstack and I have been through the documentation but it
> doesn't give me a straight answer on the following question I have
> regarding Networking design. Hopefully someone here can help.
>
> The Hypervisor I would like to use is KVM.
>
> I don't want to use any Virtual Router / NAT or LB features offered by
> cloudstack , I just need the guest virtual machines on a specified
> vlan to be able to communicate to any other hardware device that is
> also on the same vlan which may be outside of the cloudstack setup,
> wether it be a router / firewall or hardware servers.
>
>
Is this going to be one single VLAN for your entire deployment/use? In that case you can use Basic networking.
If you want to use several VLANs you could use Advanced networking, but define the networks manually as shared networks.
--
Erik
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
RE: Cloudstack Networking Question
Posted by Philip Wege <ph...@binobyte.com>.
Thank you Claus and Erik
Erik it will be a multiple vlan environment and thanks and I will give this network mode a test drive :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbolous@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 1:47 PM
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Cloudstack Networking Question
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Philip Wege <ph...@binobyte.com> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I'm new to Cloudstack and I have been through the documentation but it
> doesn't give me a straight answer on the following question I have
> regarding Networking design. Hopefully someone here can help.
>
> The Hypervisor I would like to use is KVM.
>
> I don't want to use any Virtual Router / NAT or LB features offered by
> cloudstack , I just need the guest virtual machines on a specified
> vlan to be able to communicate to any other hardware device that is
> also on the same vlan which may be outside of the cloudstack setup,
> wether it be a router / firewall or hardware servers.
>
>
Is this going to be one single VLAN for your entire deployment/use? In that case you can use Basic networking.
If you want to use several VLANs you could use Advanced networking, but define the networks manually as shared networks.
--
Erik
Re: Cloudstack Networking Question
Posted by Erik Weber <te...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Philip Wege <ph...@binobyte.com> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I'm new to Cloudstack and I have been through the documentation but it
> doesn't give me a straight answer on the following question I have
> regarding Networking design. Hopefully someone here can help.
>
> The Hypervisor I would like to use is KVM.
>
> I don't want to use any Virtual Router / NAT or LB features offered by
> cloudstack , I just need the guest virtual machines on a specified vlan to
> be able to communicate to any other hardware device that is also on the
> same vlan which may be outside of the cloudstack setup, wether it be a
> router / firewall or hardware servers.
>
>
Is this going to be one single VLAN for your entire deployment/use? In that
case you can use Basic networking.
If you want to use several VLANs you could use Advanced networking, but
define the networks manually as shared networks.
--
Erik
Re: Cloudstack Networking Question
Posted by Claus Kalle <ka...@uni-koeln.de>.
Hi Philip,
I am using a shared guest network with the "QuickCloudNoServices"
Network Offering for such guests (with advanced network setup).
schrieb Philip Wege am 12.09.2014 13:34 Uhr:
> Hi All
>
> I'm new to Cloudstack and I have been through the documentation but it doesn't give me a straight answer on the following question I have regarding Networking design. Hopefully someone here can help.
>
> The Hypervisor I would like to use is KVM.
>
> I don't want to use any Virtual Router / NAT or LB features offered by cloudstack , I just need the guest virtual machines on a specified vlan to be able to communicate to any other hardware device that is also on the same vlan which may be outside of the cloudstack setup, wether it be a router / firewall or hardware servers.
>
> Is this supported and which network mode does this if it is supported ?
>
> Regards
> Philip
>
>
--
Freundliche Gruesse, Claus Kalle