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Proposal: Note on web site that Tomcat 10 is a milestone-release
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All,
If you go to tomcat.apache.org right now, you'll see documentation and
downloads for Tomcat 10. In the news section, it's shown as 10.0.0-M1
so that might be an indication that it's not a "normal" release.
Anyone going to the site and not reading the (current) top-item of
news might think that Tomcat 10 is the current best version to download.
I propose the following:
1. Add a [beta] (or similar) badge to the [Tomcat 10] download and
[Tomcat 10.0] documentation links.
2. On the "which version" page, add a [beta] (or similar) badge to the
Tomcat 10 release
3. On the Tomcat 10 downloads page, in the summary section, add a very
prominent statement that says Tomcat 10 is in [beta] or similar. I
might even use a large font and/or red or some other
attention-grabbing text color.
4. Similar to [3] above, but on the Tomcat 10 documentation page
introduction.
WDYT?
- -chris
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Re: Re: Proposal: Note on web site that Tomcat 10 is a milestone-release
Posted by Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org>.
Hi Richard,
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 4:42 AM Richard Huntrods <hu...@athabascau.ca>
wrote:
>
> On 3/4/2020 6:28 AM, Martin Grigorov wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:02 PM Johan Compagner <jc...@servoy.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>>> Or for now generate 2 build artifacts? (as long as it is really just
> >> the
> >>>> package rename)
> >>>>
> >>> Hm, no. I just tested locally Tomcat 10.0.1 with Apache Wicket (9.x,
> >>> master). Nothing more.
> >>> Tomcat 10.0.x is not production ready so it is too early to do anything
> >>> about Jakarta APIs in Wicket.
> >>> First we need to release Wicket 9.0.0 (with Javax APIs) and then we can
> >>> start thinking about Jakarta APIs.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> yes exactly, so many frameworks are going to do that (wait)
> >> So not release any artifacts that use the new jakarta api's
> >> So that means that for many people they can't start test or use Tomcat
> 10..
> >> Because who is using plain servlet api only?
> >> Any 3rd part dependency is your code that uses some javax.servlet
> package
> >> needs to make a special release..
> >> This will take ages, not to mention will only be really done for the
> latest
> >> releases of those packages (like Wicket 9)
> >>
> > There is no official release of Jakarta EE 9 yet!
> > I didn't even bother to replace javax.servlet:servlet-api Maven
> dependency
> > with the Jakarta one in Wicket.
> > I just used https://github.com/apache/tomcat-jakartaee-migration to
> migrate
> > (already built) wicket-examples.war and it worked fine!
> > Later I tried to do the same with a Spring Boot based application but the
> > migration tool faced some problems with the nested archives in Boot's
> > special packaging.
> >
> > Tomcat 10.0.x is for early adopters to test it and report issues. But as
> > Chris suggested we should make this more clear in the docs!
> > I've committed some improvements. If anyone have more ideas for
> improvement
> > I'll be happy to apply them! :-)
>
> Thank you for that Martin. I installed 10.0.x today, and as expected it
> broke because all my servlets are based on javax. I grabbed a copy of
> the migration tool. Sadly (for me) it required Maven to build, but after
> some hesitency, I grabbed Maven and installed that (it was really easy).
>
Thank you for the feedback!
I've added Maven Wrapper script to the project so that it is easier for
non-Maven users like you to build the migration tool without much
hesitency! ;-)
https://github.com/apache/tomcat-jakartaee-migration/commit/198e510a67cec569e91cc2cc87e4f4adb181f753
Martin
>
> With Maven installed and working, I built the migration tool. Again,
> easy. With the tool built I simply converted both of my application's
> war files, copied them over the originals in webapps, started TC 10 and
> everything worked!
>
> So I guess I'm "ready" for TC10 now. :-)
>
> -R
>
>
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Re: Re: Proposal: Note on web site that Tomcat 10 is a
milestone-release
Posted by Richard Huntrods <hu...@athabascau.ca>.
On 3/4/2020 6:28 AM, Martin Grigorov wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:02 PM Johan Compagner <jc...@servoy.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>> Or for now generate 2 build artifacts? (as long as it is really just
>> the
>>>> package rename)
>>>>
>>> Hm, no. I just tested locally Tomcat 10.0.1 with Apache Wicket (9.x,
>>> master). Nothing more.
>>> Tomcat 10.0.x is not production ready so it is too early to do anything
>>> about Jakarta APIs in Wicket.
>>> First we need to release Wicket 9.0.0 (with Javax APIs) and then we can
>>> start thinking about Jakarta APIs.
>>>
>>>
>> yes exactly, so many frameworks are going to do that (wait)
>> So not release any artifacts that use the new jakarta api's
>> So that means that for many people they can't start test or use Tomcat 10..
>> Because who is using plain servlet api only?
>> Any 3rd part dependency is your code that uses some javax.servlet package
>> needs to make a special release..
>> This will take ages, not to mention will only be really done for the latest
>> releases of those packages (like Wicket 9)
>>
> There is no official release of Jakarta EE 9 yet!
> I didn't even bother to replace javax.servlet:servlet-api Maven dependency
> with the Jakarta one in Wicket.
> I just used https://github.com/apache/tomcat-jakartaee-migration to migrate
> (already built) wicket-examples.war and it worked fine!
> Later I tried to do the same with a Spring Boot based application but the
> migration tool faced some problems with the nested archives in Boot's
> special packaging.
>
> Tomcat 10.0.x is for early adopters to test it and report issues. But as
> Chris suggested we should make this more clear in the docs!
> I've committed some improvements. If anyone have more ideas for improvement
> I'll be happy to apply them! :-)
Thank you for that Martin. I installed 10.0.x today, and as expected it
broke because all my servlets are based on javax. I grabbed a copy of
the migration tool. Sadly (for me) it required Maven to build, but after
some hesitency, I grabbed Maven and installed that (it was really easy).
With Maven installed and working, I built the migration tool. Again,
easy. With the tool built I simply converted both of my application's
war files, copied them over the originals in webapps, started TC 10 and
everything worked!
So I guess I'm "ready" for TC10 now. :-)
-R
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Re: Proposal: Note on web site that Tomcat 10 is a milestone-release
Posted by Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:02 PM Johan Compagner <jc...@servoy.com>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Or for now generate 2 build artifacts? (as long as it is really just
> the
> > > package rename)
> > >
> >
> > Hm, no. I just tested locally Tomcat 10.0.1 with Apache Wicket (9.x,
> > master). Nothing more.
> > Tomcat 10.0.x is not production ready so it is too early to do anything
> > about Jakarta APIs in Wicket.
> > First we need to release Wicket 9.0.0 (with Javax APIs) and then we can
> > start thinking about Jakarta APIs.
> >
> >
> yes exactly, so many frameworks are going to do that (wait)
> So not release any artifacts that use the new jakarta api's
> So that means that for many people they can't start test or use Tomcat 10..
> Because who is using plain servlet api only?
> Any 3rd part dependency is your code that uses some javax.servlet package
> needs to make a special release..
> This will take ages, not to mention will only be really done for the latest
> releases of those packages (like Wicket 9)
>
There is no official release of Jakarta EE 9 yet!
I didn't even bother to replace javax.servlet:servlet-api Maven dependency
with the Jakarta one in Wicket.
I just used https://github.com/apache/tomcat-jakartaee-migration to migrate
(already built) wicket-examples.war and it worked fine!
Later I tried to do the same with a Spring Boot based application but the
migration tool faced some problems with the nested archives in Boot's
special packaging.
Tomcat 10.0.x is for early adopters to test it and report issues. But as
Chris suggested we should make this more clear in the docs!
I've committed some improvements. If anyone have more ideas for improvement
I'll be happy to apply them! :-)
Re: Proposal: Note on web site that Tomcat 10 is a milestone-release
Posted by Johan Compagner <jc...@servoy.com>.
>
>
> > Or for now generate 2 build artifacts? (as long as it is really just the
> > package rename)
> >
>
> Hm, no. I just tested locally Tomcat 10.0.1 with Apache Wicket (9.x,
> master). Nothing more.
> Tomcat 10.0.x is not production ready so it is too early to do anything
> about Jakarta APIs in Wicket.
> First we need to release Wicket 9.0.0 (with Javax APIs) and then we can
> start thinking about Jakarta APIs.
>
>
yes exactly, so many frameworks are going to do that (wait)
So not release any artifacts that use the new jakarta api's
So that means that for many people they can't start test or use Tomcat 10..
Because who is using plain servlet api only?
Any 3rd part dependency is your code that uses some javax.servlet package
needs to make a special release..
This will take ages, not to mention will only be really done for the latest
releases of those packages (like Wicket 9)
Re: Proposal: Note on web site that Tomcat 10 is a milestone-release
Posted by Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org>.
Hi Johan,
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 10:34 AM Johan Compagner <jc...@servoy.com>
wrote:
> Martin :)
>
> exactly my point.. so Wicket now needs to have 2 branches right? that are
> the same except for the package rename for a long time
> (so kind of having 2 masters)
>
> Or for now generate 2 build artifacts? (as long as it is really just the
> package rename)
>
Hm, no. I just tested locally Tomcat 10.0.1 with Apache Wicket (9.x,
master). Nothing more.
Tomcat 10.0.x is not production ready so it is too early to do anything
about Jakarta APIs in Wicket.
First we need to release Wicket 9.0.0 (with Javax APIs) and then we can
start thinking about Jakarta APIs.
Martin
>
> On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 at 09:14, Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Johan,
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 7:32 PM Johan Compagner <jc...@servoy.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > And when you are at it, also mention there in big letters that they
> > really
> > > should read the release notes... This tomcat will not work with all the
> > > major frameworks people use for quite some time...
> > >
> >
> > If you still use Apache Wicket (and I bet you do! :-) ) I've tested it
> > successfully on 10.0.0-M1 for you:
> > https://twitter.com/mtgrigorov/status/1225359299570028546
> >
> > But I agree that this information should be emphasized in Tomcat docs!
> > I'll update the website!
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Op ma 2 mrt. 2020 18:23 schreef Christopher Schultz <
> > > chris@christopherschultz.net>:
> > >
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> > > > All,
> > > >
> > > > If you go to tomcat.apache.org right now, you'll see documentation
> and
> > > > downloads for Tomcat 10. In the news section, it's shown as 10.0.0-M1
> > > > so that might be an indication that it's not a "normal" release.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone going to the site and not reading the (current) top-item of
> > > > news might think that Tomcat 10 is the current best version to
> > download.
> > > >
> > > > I propose the following:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Add a [beta] (or similar) badge to the [Tomcat 10] download and
> > > > [Tomcat 10.0] documentation links.
> > > >
> > > > 2. On the "which version" page, add a [beta] (or similar) badge to
> the
> > > > Tomcat 10 release
> > > >
> > > > 3. On the Tomcat 10 downloads page, in the summary section, add a
> very
> > > > prominent statement that says Tomcat 10 is in [beta] or similar. I
> > > > might even use a large font and/or red or some other
> > > > attention-grabbing text color.
> > > >
> > > > 4. Similar to [3] above, but on the Tomcat 10 documentation page
> > > > introduction.
> > > >
> > > > WDYT?
> > > >
> > > > - -chris
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> Johan Compagner
> Servoy
>
Re: Proposal: Note on web site that Tomcat 10 is a milestone-release
Posted by Johan Compagner <jc...@servoy.com>.
Martin :)
exactly my point.. so Wicket now needs to have 2 branches right? that are
the same except for the package rename for a long time
(so kind of having 2 masters)
Or for now generate 2 build artifacts? (as long as it is really just the
package rename)
On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 at 09:14, Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Johan,
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 7:32 PM Johan Compagner <jc...@servoy.com>
> wrote:
>
> > And when you are at it, also mention there in big letters that they
> really
> > should read the release notes... This tomcat will not work with all the
> > major frameworks people use for quite some time...
> >
>
> If you still use Apache Wicket (and I bet you do! :-) ) I've tested it
> successfully on 10.0.0-M1 for you:
> https://twitter.com/mtgrigorov/status/1225359299570028546
>
> But I agree that this information should be emphasized in Tomcat docs!
> I'll update the website!
>
> Martin
>
>
> >
> > Op ma 2 mrt. 2020 18:23 schreef Christopher Schultz <
> > chris@christopherschultz.net>:
> >
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > Hash: SHA256
> > >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > If you go to tomcat.apache.org right now, you'll see documentation and
> > > downloads for Tomcat 10. In the news section, it's shown as 10.0.0-M1
> > > so that might be an indication that it's not a "normal" release.
> > >
> > > Anyone going to the site and not reading the (current) top-item of
> > > news might think that Tomcat 10 is the current best version to
> download.
> > >
> > > I propose the following:
> > >
> > > 1. Add a [beta] (or similar) badge to the [Tomcat 10] download and
> > > [Tomcat 10.0] documentation links.
> > >
> > > 2. On the "which version" page, add a [beta] (or similar) badge to the
> > > Tomcat 10 release
> > >
> > > 3. On the Tomcat 10 downloads page, in the summary section, add a very
> > > prominent statement that says Tomcat 10 is in [beta] or similar. I
> > > might even use a large font and/or red or some other
> > > attention-grabbing text color.
> > >
> > > 4. Similar to [3] above, but on the Tomcat 10 documentation page
> > > introduction.
> > >
> > > WDYT?
> > >
> > > - -chris
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Re: Proposal: Note on web site that Tomcat 10 is a milestone-release
Posted by Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org>.
Hi Johan,
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 7:32 PM Johan Compagner <jc...@servoy.com>
wrote:
> And when you are at it, also mention there in big letters that they really
> should read the release notes... This tomcat will not work with all the
> major frameworks people use for quite some time...
>
If you still use Apache Wicket (and I bet you do! :-) ) I've tested it
successfully on 10.0.0-M1 for you:
https://twitter.com/mtgrigorov/status/1225359299570028546
But I agree that this information should be emphasized in Tomcat docs!
I'll update the website!
Martin
>
> Op ma 2 mrt. 2020 18:23 schreef Christopher Schultz <
> chris@christopherschultz.net>:
>
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA256
> >
> > All,
> >
> > If you go to tomcat.apache.org right now, you'll see documentation and
> > downloads for Tomcat 10. In the news section, it's shown as 10.0.0-M1
> > so that might be an indication that it's not a "normal" release.
> >
> > Anyone going to the site and not reading the (current) top-item of
> > news might think that Tomcat 10 is the current best version to download.
> >
> > I propose the following:
> >
> > 1. Add a [beta] (or similar) badge to the [Tomcat 10] download and
> > [Tomcat 10.0] documentation links.
> >
> > 2. On the "which version" page, add a [beta] (or similar) badge to the
> > Tomcat 10 release
> >
> > 3. On the Tomcat 10 downloads page, in the summary section, add a very
> > prominent statement that says Tomcat 10 is in [beta] or similar. I
> > might even use a large font and/or red or some other
> > attention-grabbing text color.
> >
> > 4. Similar to [3] above, but on the Tomcat 10 documentation page
> > introduction.
> >
> > WDYT?
> >
> > - -chris
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - https://www.enigmail.net/
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Re: Proposal: Note on web site that Tomcat 10 is a milestone-release
Posted by Johan Compagner <jc...@servoy.com>.
And when you are at it, also mention there in big letters that they really
should read the release notes... This tomcat will not work with all the
major frameworks people use for quite some time...
Op ma 2 mrt. 2020 18:23 schreef Christopher Schultz <
chris@christopherschultz.net>:
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> All,
>
> If you go to tomcat.apache.org right now, you'll see documentation and
> downloads for Tomcat 10. In the news section, it's shown as 10.0.0-M1
> so that might be an indication that it's not a "normal" release.
>
> Anyone going to the site and not reading the (current) top-item of
> news might think that Tomcat 10 is the current best version to download.
>
> I propose the following:
>
> 1. Add a [beta] (or similar) badge to the [Tomcat 10] download and
> [Tomcat 10.0] documentation links.
>
> 2. On the "which version" page, add a [beta] (or similar) badge to the
> Tomcat 10 release
>
> 3. On the Tomcat 10 downloads page, in the summary section, add a very
> prominent statement that says Tomcat 10 is in [beta] or similar. I
> might even use a large font and/or red or some other
> attention-grabbing text color.
>
> 4. Similar to [3] above, but on the Tomcat 10 documentation page
> introduction.
>
> WDYT?
>
> - -chris
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Re: Proposal: Note on web site that Tomcat 10 is a milestone-release
Posted by Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 7:23 PM Christopher Schultz <
chris@christopherschultz.net> wrote:
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> All,
>
> If you go to tomcat.apache.org right now, you'll see documentation and
> downloads for Tomcat 10. In the news section, it's shown as 10.0.0-M1
> so that might be an indication that it's not a "normal" release.
>
> Anyone going to the site and not reading the (current) top-item of
> news might think that Tomcat 10 is the current best version to download.
>
> I propose the following:
>
> 1. Add a [beta] (or similar) badge to the [Tomcat 10] download and
> [Tomcat 10.0] documentation links.
>
> 2. On the "which version" page, add a [beta] (or similar) badge to the
> Tomcat 10 release
>
> 3. On the Tomcat 10 downloads page, in the summary section, add a very
> prominent statement that says Tomcat 10 is in [beta] or similar. I
> might even use a large font and/or red or some other
> attention-grabbing text color.
>
> 4. Similar to [3] above, but on the Tomcat 10 documentation page
> introduction.
>
> WDYT?
>
I've added '<sup><strong>alpha</strong></sup>' after all occurrences of
10.0.x. I've chose 'alpha' as in the VOTE thread.
The navigation menu is generated by XSLT and I wasn't able to render proper
HTML so it is just '(alpha)' there.
I've also fixed the link to download 10.0.1 the the news entry.
Martin
>
> - -chris
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