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HTML Tools?

Is there a set of tools to do things like generate HTML select/option
lists from an array, handle checkboxes, etc.?
 
Thanks!
 
Tim


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Re: HTML Tools?

Posted by Nathan Bubna <nb...@gmail.com>.
On Feb 4, 2008 10:08 AM, Claude Brisson <cl...@renegat.net> wrote:
> Two questions about click...
>
> 1) "Each page path must be unique, as the Click application maps HTTP
> requests to the page paths." Why not allow patterns, like
> <page pattern="/bo/*.vhtml"...>?
>
> 2) Did you make any plan to refactor the ClickServlet so that it can
> inherit the VelocityServlet, and thus use toolboxes?

No need to inherit VelocityViewServlet for toolbox use anymore.  You
can just use a VelocityView object
(http://velocity.apache.org/tools/devel/javadoc/org/apache/velocity/tools/view/VelocityView.html)
or even just manage toolboxes yourself.  There's several options for
frameworks interested in integrating toolbox support.  I've been
planning to write up a documentation page on this for framework
developers, but just haven't gotten to it yet.

>
>   Claude
>
> Le samedi 02 février 2008 à 13:51 +1100, Malcolm Edgar a écrit :
>
> > If you are doing web development with Velocity then Click Framework is
> > pretty hard to beat.  Click automatically generates forms, fields, selects,
> > options, fieldsets and tables automatically. This makes it very productive.
> >
> > regards Malcolm Edgar
> > http://click.sourceforge.net
> >
> > On Feb 2, 2008 6:16 AM, csanders <cs...@hoovers.com> wrote:
> >
> > > We've building something similar for our new site,  I can share what I
> > > have so far but its pretty incomplete ( selects only ATM).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nathan Bubna wrote:
> > > > No.  At least not yet.  I've been thinking about making some tools to
> > > > simplify markup handling (see
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VELTOOLS-97).   And there is a
> > > > TableTool (for easily building html tables) in the works (see
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VELTOOLS-102).
> > > >
> > > > So, feel free to join the effort.  :)
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 1, 2008 8:15 AM, White, Tim <Ti...@qwest.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Is there a set of tools to do things like generate HTML select/option
> > > >> lists from an array, handle checkboxes, etc.?
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks!
> > > >>
> > > >> Tim
> > > >>
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Re: HTML Tools?

Posted by Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com>.
Yes the general pattern is one Click Page class per Velocity page template
(*.htm).  These are associated using automapping, following the convention
over configuration pattern. This is extremely productive, reduces bugs and
know where to find stuff.

Alternatively you can share Click Page classes between templates but you
need to configure them in the click.xml file

Regarding the benefit of a Page oriented architecture, its a much more
natural way to think about web applications.  When we are scoping and
estimating work this is generally how we do it.

Please note a page oriented design does not preclude Velocity templating
features, we use a border-template.htm pattern extensively, where by all the
page chrome and menus are in the border template. While the actual page
content is in a #parse() included page *.htm file.  Works great.

The Click Examples provide a good illustration of this:

http://www.avoka.com:8080/click-examples

Also note the ClickServlet was derrived originally from the VelocityServlet
and Click also uses the Velocity Tools WebappLoader.

regards Malcolm Edgar

On Feb 5, 2008 8:44 AM, Claude Brisson <cl...@renegat.net> wrote:

> A new java object for each page? It's even worse! Well, thanks,
> anyway...
>
>  Claude
>
>
> Le lundi 04 février 2008 à 21:51 +0100, Ahmed Mohombe a écrit :
> > > Thanks, Ahmed, but I've already read it. My point here is that -unless
> I
> > > missed something- Click forces me to at least tweak its configuration
> > > file each time I create a new velocity template page.
> > Maybe you should take a look at the examples too:
> > - you are not forced. There's a "automapping" feature that does this
> mapping
> > automatically:
> > http://click.sourceforge.net/docs/best-practices.html#automapping
> >
> > In most applications I've made, I did the configuration at project start
> > and never changed it (except for the "logging" mode from "development"
> to "production")
> >
> > Ahmed.
> >
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Re: HTML Tools?

Posted by Claude Brisson <cl...@renegat.net>.
A new java object for each page? It's even worse! Well, thanks,
anyway... 

  Claude


Le lundi 04 février 2008 à 21:51 +0100, Ahmed Mohombe a écrit :
> > Thanks, Ahmed, but I've already read it. My point here is that -unless I
> > missed something- Click forces me to at least tweak its configuration
> > file each time I create a new velocity template page. 
> Maybe you should take a look at the examples too:
> - you are not forced. There's a "automapping" feature that does this mapping
> automatically:
> http://click.sourceforge.net/docs/best-practices.html#automapping
> 
> In most applications I've made, I did the configuration at project start
> and never changed it (except for the "logging" mode from "development" to "production")
> 
> Ahmed.
> 
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Re: HTML Tools?

Posted by Ahmed Mohombe <am...@yahoo.com>.
> Thanks, Ahmed, but I've already read it. My point here is that -unless I
> missed something- Click forces me to at least tweak its configuration
> file each time I create a new velocity template page. 
Maybe you should take a look at the examples too:
- you are not forced. There's a "automapping" feature that does this mapping
automatically:
http://click.sourceforge.net/docs/best-practices.html#automapping

In most applications I've made, I did the configuration at project start
and never changed it (except for the "logging" mode from "development" to "production")

Ahmed.


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Re: HTML Tools?

Posted by Claude Brisson <cl...@renegat.net>.
Thanks, Ahmed, but I've already read it. My point here is that -unless I
missed something- Click forces me to at least tweak its configuration
file each time I create a new velocity template page. Why would Click
need to know each and existing url?! I know, if it's deep in the code,
it's not trivial, but it could be worth spending the time to implement
this page->pattern generalization. Just my two cents...


  Claude

Le lundi 04 février 2008 à 20:34 +0100, Ahmed Mohombe a écrit :
> > What are the benefits of a pure page oriented architecture?
> http://click.sourceforge.net/docs/why-click.html
> 
> But I can recommend to take a look at the entire documentation too(
> it is really very good documented)
> http://click.sourceforge.net/
> 
> Ahmed.
> 
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Re: HTML Tools?

Posted by Ahmed Mohombe <am...@yahoo.com>.
> What are the benefits of a pure page oriented architecture?
http://click.sourceforge.net/docs/why-click.html

But I can recommend to take a look at the entire documentation too(
it is really very good documented)
http://click.sourceforge.net/

Ahmed.


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Re: HTML Tools?

Posted by Claude Brisson <cl...@renegat.net>.
What are the benefits of a pure page oriented architecture?


  Claude

Le lundi 04 février 2008 à 20:03 +0100, Ahmed Mohombe a écrit :
> > 1) "Each page path must be unique, as the Click application maps HTTP
> > requests to the page paths." Why not allow patterns, like
> > <page pattern="/bo/*.vhtml"...>?
> Click is using hardcoded *.htm patterns for now (for velocity templates).
> (Changing this to something generic would require quite a work :) ).
> 
> If you need other extensions or other URL patterns, the simplest approach
> for the moment is to use URLRewriteFilter (an Apache mod_rewrite as a servlet filter):
> http://tuckey.org/urlrewrite/
> 
> Ahmed.
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Re: HTML Tools?

Posted by Ahmed Mohombe <am...@yahoo.com>.
> 1) "Each page path must be unique, as the Click application maps HTTP
> requests to the page paths." Why not allow patterns, like
> <page pattern="/bo/*.vhtml"...>?
Click is using hardcoded *.htm patterns for now (for velocity templates).
(Changing this to something generic would require quite a work :) ).

If you need other extensions or other URL patterns, the simplest approach
for the moment is to use URLRewriteFilter (an Apache mod_rewrite as a servlet filter):
http://tuckey.org/urlrewrite/

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Re: HTML Tools?

Posted by Claude Brisson <cl...@renegat.net>.
Two questions about click...

1) "Each page path must be unique, as the Click application maps HTTP
requests to the page paths." Why not allow patterns, like
<page pattern="/bo/*.vhtml"...>?

2) Did you make any plan to refactor the ClickServlet so that it can
inherit the VelocityServlet, and thus use toolboxes?


  Claude

Le samedi 02 février 2008 à 13:51 +1100, Malcolm Edgar a écrit :
> If you are doing web development with Velocity then Click Framework is
> pretty hard to beat.  Click automatically generates forms, fields, selects,
> options, fieldsets and tables automatically. This makes it very productive.
> 
> regards Malcolm Edgar
> http://click.sourceforge.net
> 
> On Feb 2, 2008 6:16 AM, csanders <cs...@hoovers.com> wrote:
> 
> > We've building something similar for our new site,  I can share what I
> > have so far but its pretty incomplete ( selects only ATM).
> >
> >
> >
> > Nathan Bubna wrote:
> > > No.  At least not yet.  I've been thinking about making some tools to
> > > simplify markup handling (see
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VELTOOLS-97).   And there is a
> > > TableTool (for easily building html tables) in the works (see
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VELTOOLS-102).
> > >
> > > So, feel free to join the effort.  :)
> > >
> > > On Feb 1, 2008 8:15 AM, White, Tim <Ti...@qwest.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Is there a set of tools to do things like generate HTML select/option
> > >> lists from an array, handle checkboxes, etc.?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks!
> > >>
> > >> Tim
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: HTML Tools?

Posted by Michael Hall <mh...@lakeland.net>.
I did now know that, I just implemented my own Menu control, which was
remarkably easy by the way, that pretty much sold me on Click right
there.


On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 07:07 +1100, Malcolm Edgar wrote:
> You now have the option of building Menu's programatically.
> 
> regards Malcolm Edgar
> 
> On Feb 2, 2008 2:27 PM, Michael Hall <mh...@lakeland.net> wrote:
> 
> > I have to agree, I evaluated a lot of frameworks and the combination of
> > Click+Velocity is pretty much the easiest to use and most powerful I've
> > seen (except for the Menu, I didn't like having an XML file for that).
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 13:51 +1100, Malcolm Edgar wrote:
> > > If you are doing web development with Velocity then Click Framework is
> > > pretty hard to beat.  Click automatically generates forms, fields,
> > selects,
> > > options, fieldsets and tables automatically. This makes it very
> > productive.
> > >
> > > regards Malcolm Edgar
> > > http://click.sourceforge.net
> > >
> > > On Feb 2, 2008 6:16 AM, csanders <cs...@hoovers.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > We've building something similar for our new site,  I can share what I
> > > > have so far but its pretty incomplete ( selects only ATM).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nathan Bubna wrote:
> > > > > No.  At least not yet.  I've been thinking about making some tools
> > to
> > > > > simplify markup handling (see
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VELTOOLS-97).   And there is a
> > > > > TableTool (for easily building html tables) in the works (see
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VELTOOLS-102).
> > > > >
> > > > > So, feel free to join the effort.  :)
> > > > >
> > > > > On Feb 1, 2008 8:15 AM, White, Tim <Ti...@qwest.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Is there a set of tools to do things like generate HTML
> > select/option
> > > > >> lists from an array, handle checkboxes, etc.?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Tim
> > > > >>
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Re: HTML Tools?

Posted by Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com>.
You now have the option of building Menu's programatically.

regards Malcolm Edgar

On Feb 2, 2008 2:27 PM, Michael Hall <mh...@lakeland.net> wrote:

> I have to agree, I evaluated a lot of frameworks and the combination of
> Click+Velocity is pretty much the easiest to use and most powerful I've
> seen (except for the Menu, I didn't like having an XML file for that).
>
>
> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 13:51 +1100, Malcolm Edgar wrote:
> > If you are doing web development with Velocity then Click Framework is
> > pretty hard to beat.  Click automatically generates forms, fields,
> selects,
> > options, fieldsets and tables automatically. This makes it very
> productive.
> >
> > regards Malcolm Edgar
> > http://click.sourceforge.net
> >
> > On Feb 2, 2008 6:16 AM, csanders <cs...@hoovers.com> wrote:
> >
> > > We've building something similar for our new site,  I can share what I
> > > have so far but its pretty incomplete ( selects only ATM).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nathan Bubna wrote:
> > > > No.  At least not yet.  I've been thinking about making some tools
> to
> > > > simplify markup handling (see
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VELTOOLS-97).   And there is a
> > > > TableTool (for easily building html tables) in the works (see
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VELTOOLS-102).
> > > >
> > > > So, feel free to join the effort.  :)
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 1, 2008 8:15 AM, White, Tim <Ti...@qwest.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Is there a set of tools to do things like generate HTML
> select/option
> > > >> lists from an array, handle checkboxes, etc.?
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks!
> > > >>
> > > >> Tim
> > > >>
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Re: HTML Tools?

Posted by Michael Hall <mh...@lakeland.net>.
I have to agree, I evaluated a lot of frameworks and the combination of
Click+Velocity is pretty much the easiest to use and most powerful I've
seen (except for the Menu, I didn't like having an XML file for that).


On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 13:51 +1100, Malcolm Edgar wrote:
> If you are doing web development with Velocity then Click Framework is
> pretty hard to beat.  Click automatically generates forms, fields, selects,
> options, fieldsets and tables automatically. This makes it very productive.
> 
> regards Malcolm Edgar
> http://click.sourceforge.net
> 
> On Feb 2, 2008 6:16 AM, csanders <cs...@hoovers.com> wrote:
> 
> > We've building something similar for our new site,  I can share what I
> > have so far but its pretty incomplete ( selects only ATM).
> >
> >
> >
> > Nathan Bubna wrote:
> > > No.  At least not yet.  I've been thinking about making some tools to
> > > simplify markup handling (see
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VELTOOLS-97).   And there is a
> > > TableTool (for easily building html tables) in the works (see
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VELTOOLS-102).
> > >
> > > So, feel free to join the effort.  :)
> > >
> > > On Feb 1, 2008 8:15 AM, White, Tim <Ti...@qwest.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Is there a set of tools to do things like generate HTML select/option
> > >> lists from an array, handle checkboxes, etc.?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks!
> > >>
> > >> Tim
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> This communication is the property of Qwest and may contain
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Re: HTML Tools?

Posted by Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com>.
If you are doing web development with Velocity then Click Framework is
pretty hard to beat.  Click automatically generates forms, fields, selects,
options, fieldsets and tables automatically. This makes it very productive.

regards Malcolm Edgar
http://click.sourceforge.net

On Feb 2, 2008 6:16 AM, csanders <cs...@hoovers.com> wrote:

> We've building something similar for our new site,  I can share what I
> have so far but its pretty incomplete ( selects only ATM).
>
>
>
> Nathan Bubna wrote:
> > No.  At least not yet.  I've been thinking about making some tools to
> > simplify markup handling (see
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VELTOOLS-97).   And there is a
> > TableTool (for easily building html tables) in the works (see
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VELTOOLS-102).
> >
> > So, feel free to join the effort.  :)
> >
> > On Feb 1, 2008 8:15 AM, White, Tim <Ti...@qwest.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Is there a set of tools to do things like generate HTML select/option
> >> lists from an array, handle checkboxes, etc.?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Tim
> >>
> >>
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Re: HTML Tools?

Posted by csanders <cs...@hoovers.com>.
We've building something similar for our new site,  I can share what I 
have so far but its pretty incomplete ( selects only ATM).



Nathan Bubna wrote:
> No.  At least not yet.  I've been thinking about making some tools to
> simplify markup handling (see
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VELTOOLS-97).   And there is a
> TableTool (for easily building html tables) in the works (see
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VELTOOLS-102).
>
> So, feel free to join the effort.  :)
>
> On Feb 1, 2008 8:15 AM, White, Tim <Ti...@qwest.com> wrote:
>   
>> Is there a set of tools to do things like generate HTML select/option
>> lists from an array, handle checkboxes, etc.?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
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Re: HTML Tools?

Posted by Nathan Bubna <nb...@gmail.com>.
No.  At least not yet.  I've been thinking about making some tools to
simplify markup handling (see
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VELTOOLS-97).   And there is a
TableTool (for easily building html tables) in the works (see
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VELTOOLS-102).

So, feel free to join the effort.  :)

On Feb 1, 2008 8:15 AM, White, Tim <Ti...@qwest.com> wrote:
> Is there a set of tools to do things like generate HTML select/option
> lists from an array, handle checkboxes, etc.?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tim
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