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URGENT : CMS Driven static site and Struts
Is it worth using Struts for a static site that is CMS
Driven ? I can think of two options:
1. Fetching the data from database into Action forms
and then building the page using Struts HTML taglibs.
:Can be done, but I doubt that Struts HTML is powerful
enough to handle minute details of the HTML page
eg:tool tips, sections, javascripts
2. Give away Struts and go for simple JSP-Bean based
architecture. JSP, Bean:Presentation[Controller will
be driven from database], Business classes to interact
with database:Modal, Database:MYSQL
Regards,
Nitin Dubey
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Re: URGENT : CMS Driven static site and Struts
Posted by Vamsee Kanakala <vk...@spymac.com>.
Jim Barrows wrote:
>The one thing I hate doing is trying to figure out someonelses undocumented framework.
>
>
>
+1. I've been in that situation before, and believe me, it's an
unenviable position that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemies! :)
Vamsee.
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Re: OT and not URGENT : CMS Driven static site and Struts
Posted by bryan <ni...@gmail.com>.
erm I suppose except for gmail that is ...
--b
>> My definition of a good web site includes "No Javascript".
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:28:21 -0600, Vic <vi...@friendvu.com> wrote:
> http://www.opensourcecms.com
> I use Drupal.
> hth,
> .V
>
> Jim Barrows wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:49:11 -0500, Erik Weber <er...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Jim Barrows wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:24:01 -0800 (PST), nitin dubey
> >>><ni...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I respectfully disagree with this (unless you guys are talking about
> >>some other specific product or framework that I'm not recognizing) so I
> >>thought you should hear another opinion. I use Struts and like it, and
> >>would even go so far as to say it's the first thing I would consider in
> >>many situations, but I wouldn't tell you that you can't build a good Web
> >>app without it (or any other framework for that matter). I have built
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Building a web app without a pre-built, done ofr you framework?
> >It's kind of like the difference between going to the tire store and
> >buying a tire, as opposed to sticking a spigot in a rubber tree (or
> >however they get rubber these days), and building it yourself.
> >Then you get into what happens to those who come after you? The one
> >thing I hate doing is trying to figure out someonelses undocumented
> >framework. Where do you go for help? Who's responsible for fixing
> >it? Where does your client get your expertise if your not available?
> >If I'm not writing business specific code, I'm wasting my clients
> >money. I use other peoples well known and documented frameworks
> >whenever possible.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>some nice Web applications that didn't use any controller framework
> >>(other than my own) or even any tags or any JavaScript for that matter.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >My definition of a good web site includes "No Javascript".
> >
> >
>
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OT and not URGENT : CMS Driven static site and Struts
Posted by Vic <vi...@friendvu.com>.
http://www.opensourcecms.com
I use Drupal.
hth,
.V
Jim Barrows wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:49:11 -0500, Erik Weber <er...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Jim Barrows wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:24:01 -0800 (PST), nitin dubey
>>><ni...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I respectfully disagree with this (unless you guys are talking about
>>some other specific product or framework that I'm not recognizing) so I
>>thought you should hear another opinion. I use Struts and like it, and
>>would even go so far as to say it's the first thing I would consider in
>>many situations, but I wouldn't tell you that you can't build a good Web
>>app without it (or any other framework for that matter). I have built
>>
>>
>
>Building a web app without a pre-built, done ofr you framework?
>It's kind of like the difference between going to the tire store and
>buying a tire, as opposed to sticking a spigot in a rubber tree (or
>however they get rubber these days), and building it yourself.
>Then you get into what happens to those who come after you? The one
>thing I hate doing is trying to figure out someonelses undocumented
>framework. Where do you go for help? Who's responsible for fixing
>it? Where does your client get your expertise if your not available?
>If I'm not writing business specific code, I'm wasting my clients
>money. I use other peoples well known and documented frameworks
>whenever possible.
>
>
>
>
>>some nice Web applications that didn't use any controller framework
>>(other than my own) or even any tags or any JavaScript for that matter.
>>
>>
>
>My definition of a good web site includes "No Javascript".
>
>
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Re: URGENT : CMS Driven static site and Struts
Posted by Jim Barrows <ji...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:49:11 -0500, Erik Weber <er...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
> Jim Barrows wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:24:01 -0800 (PST), nitin dubey
> ><ni...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
>
> I respectfully disagree with this (unless you guys are talking about
> some other specific product or framework that I'm not recognizing) so I
> thought you should hear another opinion. I use Struts and like it, and
> would even go so far as to say it's the first thing I would consider in
> many situations, but I wouldn't tell you that you can't build a good Web
> app without it (or any other framework for that matter). I have built
Building a web app without a pre-built, done ofr you framework?
It's kind of like the difference between going to the tire store and
buying a tire, as opposed to sticking a spigot in a rubber tree (or
however they get rubber these days), and building it yourself.
Then you get into what happens to those who come after you? The one
thing I hate doing is trying to figure out someonelses undocumented
framework. Where do you go for help? Who's responsible for fixing
it? Where does your client get your expertise if your not available?
If I'm not writing business specific code, I'm wasting my clients
money. I use other peoples well known and documented frameworks
whenever possible.
> some nice Web applications that didn't use any controller framework
> (other than my own) or even any tags or any JavaScript for that matter.
My definition of a good web site includes "No Javascript".
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Re: URGENT : CMS Driven static site and Struts
Posted by Erik Weber <er...@mindspring.com>.
Jim Barrows wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:24:01 -0800 (PST), nitin dubey
><ni...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Is it worth using Struts for a static site that is CMS
>>Driven ? I can think of two options:
>>
>>
>
>Yes.
>
>
>
>>1. Fetching the data from database into Action forms
>>and then building the page using Struts HTML taglibs.
>>:Can be done, but I doubt that Struts HTML is powerful
>>enough to handle minute details of the HTML page
>>eg:tool tips, sections, javascripts
>>
>>
You can do those things with or without Struts.
>
>You don't have to use the struts taglibs if you don't want to. It
>makes a lot of things easier. You certtainly don't use the Struts
>taglibs without a lot of supporting html.
>
>
>
>>2. Give away Struts and go for simple JSP-Bean based
>>architecture. JSP, Bean:Presentation[Controller will
>>be driven from database], Business classes to interact
>>with database:Modal, Database:MYSQL
>>
>>
>
>Nah.... if you think thats viable you don't have a lot of experience
>with Struts or JSP/Servlet development.
>
>
I respectfully disagree with this (unless you guys are talking about
some other specific product or framework that I'm not recognizing) so I
thought you should hear another opinion. I use Struts and like it, and
would even go so far as to say it's the first thing I would consider in
many situations, but I wouldn't tell you that you can't build a good Web
app without it (or any other framework for that matter). I have built
some nice Web applications that didn't use any controller framework
(other than my own) or even any tags or any JavaScript for that matter.
Erik
>
>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Nitin Dubey
>>
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Re: URGENT : CMS Driven static site and Struts
Posted by Jim Barrows <ji...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:24:01 -0800 (PST), nitin dubey
<ni...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is it worth using Struts for a static site that is CMS
> Driven ? I can think of two options:
Yes.
>
> 1. Fetching the data from database into Action forms
> and then building the page using Struts HTML taglibs.
> :Can be done, but I doubt that Struts HTML is powerful
> enough to handle minute details of the HTML page
> eg:tool tips, sections, javascripts
You don't have to use the struts taglibs if you don't want to. It
makes a lot of things easier. You certtainly don't use the Struts
taglibs without a lot of supporting html.
>
> 2. Give away Struts and go for simple JSP-Bean based
> architecture. JSP, Bean:Presentation[Controller will
> be driven from database], Business classes to interact
> with database:Modal, Database:MYSQL
Nah.... if you think thats viable you don't have a lot of experience
with Struts or JSP/Servlet development.
>
> Regards,
>
> Nitin Dubey
>
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