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Posted to dev@ofbiz.apache.org by Michael Brohl <mi...@ecomify.de> on 2016/09/25 09:25:46 UTC

Offtopic discussions

Fellow contributors,

please stop going offtopic or hijacking a vote thread with discussions 
of other topics.

A vote thread is meant to collect votes and should contain -1, 0, +1, 
(maybe some remark on why the vote is cast as it is) only, to make it 
readable and help the vote owner to evaluate the results easily and 
without errors. Direct responses to a vote thread should only me made 
regarding the vote itself (like false votes).

Every discussion resulting out of a vote thread can easily be started 
with a new mail, a clear new subject and a "was: <vote thread subject>".

Thanks,
Michael

Re: Offtopic discussions

Posted by Sharan Foga <sh...@gmail.com>.

Hi All

I think also prefixing the subject title with [DISCUSSION] really helps 
with locating these important threads.

Thanks
Sharan

On 25/09/16 15:24, Michael Brohl wrote:
> Hi Jacopo,
>
> it was not a new thread but a reply to Scott's email with an edited 
> subject. The header says:
>
> In-Reply-To:
>     <CA...@mail.gmail.com>
>
> So it's technically correct that mail clients and mailing lists 
> archives show the message as part of the thread.
>
> You must write a new email to avoid this.
>
> Though I mainly focused on vote threads in my initial mail, because 
> there it is most important, I think it should also apply in general. 
> We often have a discussion that spreads into several other discussions 
> and that is not easy to follow. We need a little more discipline to 
> make discussions readable and easily followed by readers.
>
> That might help to avoid discussions drowning and being not recognized.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael
>
>
> Am 25.09.16 um 11:42 schrieb Jacopo Cappellato:
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> from what I see, the discussions are happening in a different thread 
>> that
>> Jacques started with subject: "OFBiz specific rules on lazy consensus 
>> [was
>> Re: [VOTE] Put the Flatgrey theme in Attic]"
>>
>> I suspect that some mail clients may group them together under the same
>> thread, causing some confusion.
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Michael Brohl 
>> <mi...@ecomify.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Fellow contributors,
>>>
>>> please stop going offtopic or hijacking a vote thread with 
>>> discussions of
>>> other topics.
>>>
>>> A vote thread is meant to collect votes and should contain -1, 0, +1,
>>> (maybe some remark on why the vote is cast as it is) only, to make it
>>> readable and help the vote owner to evaluate the results easily and 
>>> without
>>> errors. Direct responses to a vote thread should only me made 
>>> regarding the
>>> vote itself (like false votes).
>>>
>>> Every discussion resulting out of a vote thread can easily be 
>>> started with
>>> a new mail, a clear new subject and a "was: <vote thread subject>".
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

Re: Offtopic discussions

Posted by Michael Brohl <mi...@ecomify.de>.

Hi Jacopo,

it was not a new thread but a reply to Scott's email with an edited 
subject. The header says:

In-Reply-To:
	<CA...@mail.gmail.com>

So it's technically correct that mail clients and mailing lists archives 
show the message as part of the thread.

You must write a new email to avoid this.

Though I mainly focused on vote threads in my initial mail, because 
there it is most important, I think it should also apply in general. We 
often have a discussion that spreads into several other discussions and 
that is not easy to follow. We need a little more discipline to make 
discussions readable and easily followed by readers.

That might help to avoid discussions drowning and being not recognized.

Regards,

Michael

Am 25.09.16 um 11:42 schrieb Jacopo Cappellato:
> Hi Michael,
>
> from what I see, the discussions are happening in a different thread that
> Jacques started with subject: "OFBiz specific rules on lazy consensus [was
> Re: [VOTE] Put the Flatgrey theme in Attic]"
>
> I suspect that some mail clients may group them together under the same
> thread, causing some confusion.
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Michael Brohl <mi...@ecomify.de>
> wrote:
>
>> Fellow contributors,
>>
>> please stop going offtopic or hijacking a vote thread with discussions of
>> other topics.
>>
>> A vote thread is meant to collect votes and should contain -1, 0, +1,
>> (maybe some remark on why the vote is cast as it is) only, to make it
>> readable and help the vote owner to evaluate the results easily and without
>> errors. Direct responses to a vote thread should only me made regarding the
>> vote itself (like false votes).
>>
>> Every discussion resulting out of a vote thread can easily be started with
>> a new mail, a clear new subject and a "was: <vote thread subject>".
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>

Re: Offtopic discussions

Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.

You are right here Jacopo, Thunderbird does that here for instance. It seems your email client does not and would then base threads on subjects not on 
emails sources.

I think though Michael is right about creating a *new email* (to not keep the underneath source of the email I responded to)
So I agree I should have created a new email for the new"OFBiz specific rules on lazy consensus" thread (because of email clients like Thunderbird 
which base threads on emails sources)
And not answer in the "[VOTE] Put the Flatgrey theme in Attic]" thread by just changing the subject.

I'm the first chastised. Because, as explained Michael, I'll eventually have to count the votes since I started them :/

BTW: I also answered to Scott that I see no problems to have these votes running for a week.

Jacques

Le 25/09/2016 � 11:42, Jacopo Cappellato a �crit :
> Hi Michael,
>
> from what I see, the discussions are happening in a different thread that
> Jacques started with subject: "OFBiz specific rules on lazy consensus [was
> Re: [VOTE] Put the Flatgrey theme in Attic]"
>
> I suspect that some mail clients may group them together under the same
> thread, causing some confusion.
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Michael Brohl <mi...@ecomify.de>
> wrote:
>
>> Fellow contributors,
>>
>> please stop going offtopic or hijacking a vote thread with discussions of
>> other topics.
>>
>> A vote thread is meant to collect votes and should contain -1, 0, +1,
>> (maybe some remark on why the vote is cast as it is) only, to make it
>> readable and help the vote owner to evaluate the results easily and without
>> errors. Direct responses to a vote thread should only me made regarding the
>> vote itself (like false votes).
>>
>> Every discussion resulting out of a vote thread can easily be started with
>> a new mail, a clear new subject and a "was: <vote thread subject>".
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>

Re: Offtopic discussions

Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxsystems.com>.

Hi Michael,

from what I see, the discussions are happening in a different thread that
Jacques started with subject: "OFBiz specific rules on lazy consensus [was
Re: [VOTE] Put the Flatgrey theme in Attic]"

I suspect that some mail clients may group them together under the same
thread, causing some confusion.

Jacopo


On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Michael Brohl <mi...@ecomify.de>
wrote:

> Fellow contributors,
>
> please stop going offtopic or hijacking a vote thread with discussions of
> other topics.
>
> A vote thread is meant to collect votes and should contain -1, 0, +1,
> (maybe some remark on why the vote is cast as it is) only, to make it
> readable and help the vote owner to evaluate the results easily and without
> errors. Direct responses to a vote thread should only me made regarding the
> vote itself (like false votes).
>
> Every discussion resulting out of a vote thread can easily be started with
> a new mail, a clear new subject and a "was: <vote thread subject>".
>
> Thanks,
> Michael
>
>
>