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Moving to Subversion?
Hi:
Is OJB planning to move to subversion?
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Re: Moving to Subversion?
Posted by "Robert S. Sfeir" <ro...@codepuccino.com>.
Hey If I'm gonna start using it, I might as well try it somewhere... Here is
good :-)
+1
R
On 8/11/04 11:50 AM, "Brian McCallister" <mc...@forthillcompany.com>
wrote:
> I like subversion, IDE plugins aren't as nice though and I know other
> OJBers use em.
>
> +1 for me though, that said.
>
> -Brian
>
> On Aug 11, 2004, at 10:52 AM, Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> Is OJB planning to move to subversion?
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Antonio Gallardo
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Re: Moving to Subversion?
Posted by Brian McCallister <mc...@forthillcompany.com>.
I like subversion, IDE plugins aren't as nice though and I know other
OJBers use em.
+1 for me though, that said.
-Brian
On Aug 11, 2004, at 10:52 AM, Antonio Gallardo wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Is OJB planning to move to subversion?
>
> Best Regards,
>
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Re: Moving to Subversion?
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agssa.net>.
Armin Waibel dijo:
> Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>> Hi:
>>
>> Is OJB planning to move to subversion?
>>
>
> Never used SVN. Why should we move to SVN? Is there a comparison CVS/SVN?
> Never had any problems with CVS, so I'm happy with it.
See "features" in: http://subversion.tigris.org/
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Re: Moving to Subversion?
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agssa.net>.
Thomas Dudziak dijo:
> Tino Schöllhorn wrote:
>
>> well the thing is that I do not work with the cvs integration (except
>> for downloading the current head of ojb). But I think that the
>> subclipse plugin is okay - except that some features (like the
>> synchronization-view) are still missing. But as it is constantly
>> developed I think it will be implemented in the next months.
>
> I'm also for the pragmatic approach. While I see the value of SVN over
> CVS (especially when refactoring), the IDE support does not seem on a
> par with the CVS support yet (at least in Eclipse, but probably in IDEA
> too). And as somebody who has learned of the benefits of the Team
> Synchronization View in Eclipse vs. plain CLI or with Tools like
> TortoiseCVS, I do not want to have to do CLI again.
Here is a GUI client: http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/
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Re: Moving to Subversion?
Posted by Thomas Dudziak <to...@first.fhg.de>.
Tino Schöllhorn wrote:
> well the thing is that I do not work with the cvs integration (except
> for downloading the current head of ojb). But I think that the
> subclipse plugin is okay - except that some features (like the
> synchronization-view) are still missing. But as it is constantly
> developed I think it will be implemented in the next months.
I'm also for the pragmatic approach. While I see the value of SVN over
CVS (especially when refactoring), the IDE support does not seem on a
par with the CVS support yet (at least in Eclipse, but probably in IDEA
too). And as somebody who has learned of the benefits of the Team
Synchronization View in Eclipse vs. plain CLI or with Tools like
TortoiseCVS, I do not want to have to do CLI again.
Tom
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Re: Moving to Subversion?
Posted by Tino Schöllhorn <t....@tiscali.de>.
hi jakab,
well the thing is that I do not work with the cvs integration (except
for downloading the current head of ojb). But I think that the subclipse
plugin is okay - except that some features (like the
synchronization-view) are still missing. But as it is constantly
developed I think it will be implemented in the next months.
tino
Jakob Braeuchi wrote:
> hi tino,
>
> i've seen this plugin as well. have you worked with subversion and this
> plugin in eclipse ? is it as comfortable as the cvs integration ?
>
> jakob
>
> Tino Schöllhorn schrieb:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just noticed your discussion about subversion/cvs. We are using
>> subversion and we had no trouble so far. There are also some project
>> which try to integrate a subversion client into different IDEs. For
>> Eclipse you can use subclipse: http://subclipse.tigris.org/
>>
>> Tino
>>
>>
>>
>> Jakob Braeuchi wrote:
>>
>>> hi antonio,
>>>
>>> i've done assembler on ibm /390 for about 8 years, so i know quite
>>> some cli ;)
>>> but i think these times are gone, and i always use my favorite ide
>>> (eclipse) or at least any other ide for java.
>>>
>>> at work i use eclipse and pvcs (which has no integration in eclipse)
>>> and it's no fun, that's why i want it integrated in my ide.
>>>
>>> jakob
>>>
>>> Antonio Gallardo schrieb:
>>>
>>>> Jakob Braeuchi dijo:
>>>>
>>>>> hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> as long as i cannot use svn from within eclipse i do not want to
>>>>> switch.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <rant
>>>> trademark="Giaguno Rabellino"
>>>> link="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=108063677218228&w=2">
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, I feel a bit like an old aunt sitting on the porch and muttering
>>>> about the good old times, but I really feel at loss when I see what is
>>>> supposedly the cream of the crop of techies around the world becoming
>>>> sissies when a far better technology isn't supported in their favorite
>>>> GUI... I really fail to see why the most important Subversion migration
>>>> issue is lack of support in the IDE.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, as a CLI diehard I'm used to fire Eclipse only for seriously
>>>> tangled stuff or for debugging: my typical development environment is
>>>> CLI-based anyway (vim+ant+cvs/svn) so I might be biased but, ah, the
>>>> good old times when Real Programmers did punched cards... :-)))
>>>>
>>>> </rant>
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Antonio Gallardo
>>>>
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Re: Moving to Subversion?
Posted by Jakob Braeuchi <jb...@gmx.ch>.
hi tino,
i've seen this plugin as well. have you worked with subversion and this plugin
in eclipse ? is it as comfortable as the cvs integration ?
jakob
Tino Schöllhorn schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> I just noticed your discussion about subversion/cvs. We are using
> subversion and we had no trouble so far. There are also some project
> which try to integrate a subversion client into different IDEs. For
> Eclipse you can use subclipse: http://subclipse.tigris.org/
>
> Tino
>
>
>
> Jakob Braeuchi wrote:
>
>> hi antonio,
>>
>> i've done assembler on ibm /390 for about 8 years, so i know quite
>> some cli ;)
>> but i think these times are gone, and i always use my favorite ide
>> (eclipse) or at least any other ide for java.
>>
>> at work i use eclipse and pvcs (which has no integration in eclipse)
>> and it's no fun, that's why i want it integrated in my ide.
>>
>> jakob
>>
>> Antonio Gallardo schrieb:
>>
>>> Jakob Braeuchi dijo:
>>>
>>>> hi,
>>>>
>>>> as long as i cannot use svn from within eclipse i do not want to
>>>> switch.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <rant
>>> trademark="Giaguno Rabellino"
>>> link="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=108063677218228&w=2">
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I feel a bit like an old aunt sitting on the porch and muttering
>>> about the good old times, but I really feel at loss when I see what is
>>> supposedly the cream of the crop of techies around the world becoming
>>> sissies when a far better technology isn't supported in their favorite
>>> GUI... I really fail to see why the most important Subversion migration
>>> issue is lack of support in the IDE.
>>>
>>> Actually, as a CLI diehard I'm used to fire Eclipse only for seriously
>>> tangled stuff or for debugging: my typical development environment is
>>> CLI-based anyway (vim+ant+cvs/svn) so I might be biased but, ah, the
>>> good old times when Real Programmers did punched cards... :-)))
>>>
>>> </rant>
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Antonio Gallardo
>>>
>>>
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Re: Moving to Subversion?
Posted by Tino Schöllhorn <t....@tiscali.de>.
Hi,
I just noticed your discussion about subversion/cvs. We are using
subversion and we had no trouble so far. There are also some project
which try to integrate a subversion client into different IDEs. For
Eclipse you can use subclipse: http://subclipse.tigris.org/
Tino
Jakob Braeuchi wrote:
> hi antonio,
>
> i've done assembler on ibm /390 for about 8 years, so i know quite some
> cli ;)
> but i think these times are gone, and i always use my favorite ide
> (eclipse) or at least any other ide for java.
>
> at work i use eclipse and pvcs (which has no integration in eclipse) and
> it's no fun, that's why i want it integrated in my ide.
>
> jakob
>
> Antonio Gallardo schrieb:
>
>> Jakob Braeuchi dijo:
>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> as long as i cannot use svn from within eclipse i do not want to switch.
>>
>>
>>
>> <rant
>> trademark="Giaguno Rabellino"
>> link="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=108063677218228&w=2">
>>
>>
>> Well, I feel a bit like an old aunt sitting on the porch and muttering
>> about the good old times, but I really feel at loss when I see what is
>> supposedly the cream of the crop of techies around the world becoming
>> sissies when a far better technology isn't supported in their favorite
>> GUI... I really fail to see why the most important Subversion migration
>> issue is lack of support in the IDE.
>>
>> Actually, as a CLI diehard I'm used to fire Eclipse only for seriously
>> tangled stuff or for debugging: my typical development environment is
>> CLI-based anyway (vim+ant+cvs/svn) so I might be biased but, ah, the
>> good old times when Real Programmers did punched cards... :-)))
>>
>> </rant>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Antonio Gallardo
>>
>>
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Re: Moving to Subversion?
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agssa.net>.
Jakob Braeuchi dijo:
> hi antonio,
>
> i've done assembler on ibm /390 for about 8 years, so i know quite some
> cli ;)
> but i think these times are gone, and i always use my favorite ide
> (eclipse) or
> at least any other ide for java.
>
> at work i use eclipse and pvcs (which has no integration in eclipse) and
> it's no
> fun, that's why i want it integrated in my ide.
As you, I use eclipse too. If you checked the posted link, my post was a
copy&paste of a reply from Giaguno to me when I was against using
subversion in Cocoon before Linux Fedora Core 2 (with subversion
built-in) was released. :-)
I know I am a 34 old "baby" compared with a lot of people on the ASF. But
I think the rant is valid, BTW we don't need to be afraid of SVN, I
already used it in a CLI mode and it is more friendly that I was able to
learn most of the commands I use. In the CVS case I never learned even the
most basic cvs update, because of the los of params in there.
BTW, about IBM /390 I only know thi machine from pictures and reference in
a computer history book. ;-)
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo
>
> jakob
>
> Antonio Gallardo schrieb:
>
>> Jakob Braeuchi dijo:
>>
>>>hi,
>>>
>>>as long as i cannot use svn from within eclipse i do not want to switch.
>>
>>
>> <rant
>> trademark="Giaguno Rabellino"
>> link="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=108063677218228&w=2">
>>
>> Well, I feel a bit like an old aunt sitting on the porch and muttering
>> about the good old times, but I really feel at loss when I see what is
>> supposedly the cream of the crop of techies around the world becoming
>> sissies when a far better technology isn't supported in their favorite
>> GUI... I really fail to see why the most important Subversion migration
>> issue is lack of support in the IDE.
>>
>> Actually, as a CLI diehard I'm used to fire Eclipse only for seriously
>> tangled stuff or for debugging: my typical development environment is
>> CLI-based anyway (vim+ant+cvs/svn) so I might be biased but, ah, the
>> good old times when Real Programmers did punched cards... :-)))
>>
>> </rant>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Antonio Gallardo
>>
>>
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Re: Moving to Subversion?
Posted by Jakob Braeuchi <jb...@gmx.ch>.
hi antonio,
i've done assembler on ibm /390 for about 8 years, so i know quite some cli ;)
but i think these times are gone, and i always use my favorite ide (eclipse) or
at least any other ide for java.
at work i use eclipse and pvcs (which has no integration in eclipse) and it's no
fun, that's why i want it integrated in my ide.
jakob
Antonio Gallardo schrieb:
> Jakob Braeuchi dijo:
>
>>hi,
>>
>>as long as i cannot use svn from within eclipse i do not want to switch.
>
>
> <rant
> trademark="Giaguno Rabellino"
> link="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=108063677218228&w=2">
>
> Well, I feel a bit like an old aunt sitting on the porch and muttering
> about the good old times, but I really feel at loss when I see what is
> supposedly the cream of the crop of techies around the world becoming
> sissies when a far better technology isn't supported in their favorite
> GUI... I really fail to see why the most important Subversion migration
> issue is lack of support in the IDE.
>
> Actually, as a CLI diehard I'm used to fire Eclipse only for seriously
> tangled stuff or for debugging: my typical development environment is
> CLI-based anyway (vim+ant+cvs/svn) so I might be biased but, ah, the
> good old times when Real Programmers did punched cards... :-)))
>
> </rant>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Antonio Gallardo
>
>
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Re: Moving to Subversion?
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agssa.net>.
Jakob Braeuchi dijo:
> hi,
>
> as long as i cannot use svn from within eclipse i do not want to switch.
<rant
trademark="Giaguno Rabellino"
link="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=108063677218228&w=2">
Well, I feel a bit like an old aunt sitting on the porch and muttering
about the good old times, but I really feel at loss when I see what is
supposedly the cream of the crop of techies around the world becoming
sissies when a far better technology isn't supported in their favorite
GUI... I really fail to see why the most important Subversion migration
issue is lack of support in the IDE.
Actually, as a CLI diehard I'm used to fire Eclipse only for seriously
tangled stuff or for debugging: my typical development environment is
CLI-based anyway (vim+ant+cvs/svn) so I might be biased but, ah, the
good old times when Real Programmers did punched cards... :-)))
</rant>
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo
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Re: Moving to Subversion?
Posted by Jakob Braeuchi <jb...@gmx.ch>.
hi,
as long as i cannot use svn from within eclipse i do not want to switch.
jakob
Armin Waibel schrieb:
> Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> Is OJB planning to move to subversion?
>>
>
> Never used SVN. Why should we move to SVN? Is there a comparison CVS/SVN?
> Never had any problems with CVS, so I'm happy with it.
>
> regards,
> Armin
>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Antonio Gallardo
>>
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Re: Moving to Subversion?
Posted by Armin Waibel <ar...@apache.org>.
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Is OJB planning to move to subversion?
>
Never used SVN. Why should we move to SVN? Is there a comparison CVS/SVN?
Never had any problems with CVS, so I'm happy with it.
regards,
Armin
> Best Regards,
>
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Re: Moving to Subversion?
Posted by Jakob Braeuchi <jb...@gmx.ch>.
+1 for this pragmatic approach
jakob
Martin Kalén schrieb:
> Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>
>> Is OJB planning to move to subversion?
>
>
> It's probably going to happen sooner or later, but at the moment there
> is much momentum around the upcoming OJB 1.1 features and much
> refactoring going on.
>
> I think the OJB project took far to long to get release 1.0 out of the
> door. Now that there is a good release out, with a maintenance branch
> and active development on new features in the trunk - I think we can
> only complicate things by allocating resources for a project
> infrastructure change.
>
> SVN or CVS is nothing an OJB end-user will see, so IMO there is
> absolutely no rush.
>
> -1 for now, until the trunk is more stable. I think a switch should be
> made just after a OJB1.1 release, at a time when there is a code freeze.
>
> Regards,
> Martin
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Re: Moving to Subversion?
Posted by Martin Kalén <mk...@apache.org>.
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
> Is OJB planning to move to subversion?
It's probably going to happen sooner or later, but at the moment there is much momentum
around the upcoming OJB 1.1 features and much refactoring going on.
I think the OJB project took far to long to get release 1.0 out of the door. Now that
there is a good release out, with a maintenance branch and active development on new
features in the trunk - I think we can only complicate things by allocating resources for
a project infrastructure change.
SVN or CVS is nothing an OJB end-user will see, so IMO there is absolutely no rush.
-1 for now, until the trunk is more stable. I think a switch should be made just after a
OJB1.1 release, at a time when there is a code freeze.
Regards,
Martin
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