Apache Community (was Re: [VOTE] Open this list)

[Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org>]

James Cox wrote:
 >
 > Whilst i agree with Sam -- we do have to be open -- we're still a
 > closed foundation, one that benefits from it's meritocracy of
 > interested experts.

I sincerely compliment you on your courage, honesty and ability to
clearly state this.  Many people would avoid actually making that
statement.  Kudos.

Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
 >
 > Interestingly, this vote also helps crystalize who we think the
 > "Apache community" really is.

Now, take a look at the description of users on
http://www.apache.org/foundation/roles.html

For that matter, take a look at the last five words of the first
paragraph of http://www.apache.org/

Sam Ruby wrote:
 > There are going to be culture [clashes] as we try to move towards
 > becoming one big happy family.  Most of it is due to ingrained
 > assumptions that we have all built up over long periods of time.  My
 > aim is to actively seek them out and surface them for all of us to
 > inspect, discuss, and learn from.

As applied here, I would like us to come to a common understanding of 
what the term "Apache community" means, and make the name of this 
mailing list, the access policies thereof, and the usage of these terms 
on our public website (in particular prominent ones, like the ones I 
cited above) consistent with this common understanding.

- Sam Ruby