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[VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
I'd like to call a vote on our incubator proposal. There hasn't been
any negative feedback so far, we found mentors, and we are eager to
move ahead with the process.
See the latest proposal text below.
Andrus
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Cayenne Incubator Proposal
Section 0 : Rationale
Cayenne is an open source component-oriented persistence framework
licensed under the Apache License, providing object-relational
mapping (ORM) and remoting services. With a wealth of unique and
powerful features, Cayenne can address a wide range of persistence
needs. Cayenne seamlessly binds one or more database schemas directly
to Java objects, managing atomic commit and rollbacks, SQL
generation, joins, sequences, and more. With Cayenne's Remote Object
Persistence, those Java objects can even be persisted out to clients
via Web Services. Or, with native XML serialization, objects can be
even further persisted to non-Java clients - such as an Ajax-capable
browser. In addition to this existing functionality, Cayenne is
currently building a JPA-compatible persistence provider (JSR-220).
In 2001, Cayenne was started as an open source collaborative
environment, modeled after ASF. Thus, proposing Cayenne as an ASF
project is the logical next step to further expand the community and
increase participation.
Section 0.1 : Criteria
* Meritocracy: The project is and will contiue to be
meritocratic, in accordance with the usual Apache meritocracy standards.
* Community: Cayenne has a substantial, long-established user
and developer community. Two mailing lists receive up to 500 messages
per month, and the Jira bug tracker (shared with one other
ObjectStyle.org project) has 230 registered users.
* Core Developers: Andrus Adamchik (founder), Cris Daniluk,
Michael Gentry, Tore Halset, Mike Kienenberger, Kevin Menard, Eric
Schneider
* Alignment: We propose Cayenne as a TLP within the ASF,
sponsored by the Incubator TLP.
* License: Cayenne is currently licensed under the Apache
License 1.1, with the intention of switching to Apache License 2.0.
Section 0.2 : Warning Signs
* Orphaned Software: Cayenne has a high volume of development
activity. On a release date, our freshmeat.net "vitality rating" is
typically #15-20, out of over 40000 registered projects.
* Experience With Open Source: Cayenne was started as an open
source project in 2001 and has remained so for 5 years.
* Homogenous Developers: Most of the current active committers
met each other through the Cayenne community. None work for the same
company.
* Reliance on salaried developers: There is not a single Cayenne
committer who is compensated for their efforts - we are a 100%
volunteer project.
* No Ties to Other Apache Products: Cayenne itself uses a number
of Apache libraries, such as commons-*, velocity, log4j. Cayenne
integrates with Derby and has Struts and Tapestry examples. Our user
community overlaps with Tapestry and the MyFaces communities to some
extent. We are planning to contribute a JPA provider to Geronimo, and
have already taken some steps to work with the OpenEJB project, who
will be providing JSR-220 implementation to Geronimo. We are open to
collaboration and finding synergies with other Apache projects (e.g.,
those that require an Apache-licensed ORM).
* Achieving the Apache Brand is a Prominent Goal: As indicated
elsewhere in this proposal, Cayenne was founded with many of the same
fundamental goals of ASF, regarding meritocracy and community
building, and it has been licensed under Apache License. We remain
committed to these goals as we move to ASF.
Section 1 : Scope of the project
Cayenne presently consists of an Object-Relational Mapping framework
(ORM), a Swing Toolset for ORM and Swing bindings, an early version
of an XML serialization framework and a Remote Object Persistence
framework. We have started an effort to provide a full Cayenne-based
implementation of the Java Persistence API, compliant with JSR-220
(aka EJB3).
Section 2 : Initial source from which the project is to be populated
Current Cayenne sources at http://objectstyle.org/cayenne/
Section 3: Identify the ASF resources to be created
Section 3.1 : Mailing Lists
* cayenne-dev
* cayenne-user
* cayenne-scm
* cayenne-ppmc
* need to import lists of subscribers from current ezmlm
ObjectStyle.org lists.
Section 3.2: SVN Repositories
* cayenne (need to import current CVS)
Section 3.3: Issue Tracking
* Need a new Jira project called CAYENNE.
* Need to import current issues from ObjectStyle.org Jira
Section 4: Identify the Initial Set of Committers
ASF Committers
* Mike Kienenberger (MyFaces PMC - apache user id 'mkienenb')
Non-ASF Committers
* Andrus Adamchik
* Cris Daniluk
* Michael Gentry
* Tore Halset
* Kevin Menard
* Eric Schneider
Section 5: Identify ASF Sponsor
* Sponsor: Incubator PMC
* Mentors:
o Jim Jagielski
o Brian McCallister
* Non-member ASF committers who volunteered to help with the
incubation:
o Bill Dudney
o Thomas Dudziak
Section 6: Open Issues for Discussion
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
+1 (non-binding)
Regardless of whether DB or Incubator is the official sponsor of this
project, I think it has merit and increases the footprint of Apache
in the ORM space. Go for it.
Craig
On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:31 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> I'd like to call a vote on our incubator proposal. There hasn't
> been any negative feedback so far, we found mentors, and we are
> eager to move ahead with the process.
>
> See the latest proposal text below.
>
> Andrus
>
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> Cayenne Incubator Proposal
> Section 0 : Rationale
>
> Cayenne is an open source component-oriented persistence framework
> licensed under the Apache License, providing object-relational
> mapping (ORM) and remoting services. With a wealth of unique and
> powerful features, Cayenne can address a wide range of persistence
> needs. Cayenne seamlessly binds one or more database schemas
> directly to Java objects, managing atomic commit and rollbacks, SQL
> generation, joins, sequences, and more. With Cayenne's Remote
> Object Persistence, those Java objects can even be persisted out to
> clients via Web Services. Or, with native XML serialization,
> objects can be even further persisted to non-Java clients - such as
> an Ajax-capable browser. In addition to this existing
> functionality, Cayenne is currently building a JPA-compatible
> persistence provider (JSR-220).
>
> In 2001, Cayenne was started as an open source collaborative
> environment, modeled after ASF. Thus, proposing Cayenne as an ASF
> project is the logical next step to further expand the community
> and increase participation.
> Section 0.1 : Criteria
>
> * Meritocracy: The project is and will contiue to be
> meritocratic, in accordance with the usual Apache meritocracy
> standards.
>
> * Community: Cayenne has a substantial, long-established user
> and developer community. Two mailing lists receive up to 500
> messages per month, and the Jira bug tracker (shared with one other
> ObjectStyle.org project) has 230 registered users.
>
> * Core Developers: Andrus Adamchik (founder), Cris Daniluk,
> Michael Gentry, Tore Halset, Mike Kienenberger, Kevin Menard, Eric
> Schneider
>
> * Alignment: We propose Cayenne as a TLP within the ASF,
> sponsored by the Incubator TLP.
>
> * License: Cayenne is currently licensed under the Apache
> License 1.1, with the intention of switching to Apache License 2.0.
>
> Section 0.2 : Warning Signs
>
> * Orphaned Software: Cayenne has a high volume of development
> activity. On a release date, our freshmeat.net "vitality rating" is
> typically #15-20, out of over 40000 registered projects.
>
> * Experience With Open Source: Cayenne was started as an open
> source project in 2001 and has remained so for 5 years.
>
> * Homogenous Developers: Most of the current active committers
> met each other through the Cayenne community. None work for the
> same company.
>
> * Reliance on salaried developers: There is not a single
> Cayenne committer who is compensated for their efforts - we are a
> 100% volunteer project.
>
> * No Ties to Other Apache Products: Cayenne itself uses a
> number of Apache libraries, such as commons-*, velocity, log4j.
> Cayenne integrates with Derby and has Struts and Tapestry examples.
> Our user community overlaps with Tapestry and the MyFaces
> communities to some extent. We are planning to contribute a JPA
> provider to Geronimo, and have already taken some steps to work
> with the OpenEJB project, who will be providing JSR-220
> implementation to Geronimo. We are open to collaboration and
> finding synergies with other Apache projects (e.g., those that
> require an Apache-licensed ORM).
>
> * Achieving the Apache Brand is a Prominent Goal: As indicated
> elsewhere in this proposal, Cayenne was founded with many of the
> same fundamental goals of ASF, regarding meritocracy and community
> building, and it has been licensed under Apache License. We remain
> committed to these goals as we move to ASF.
>
> Section 1 : Scope of the project
>
> Cayenne presently consists of an Object-Relational Mapping
> framework (ORM), a Swing Toolset for ORM and Swing bindings, an
> early version of an XML serialization framework and a Remote Object
> Persistence framework. We have started an effort to provide a full
> Cayenne-based implementation of the Java Persistence API, compliant
> with JSR-220 (aka EJB3).
> Section 2 : Initial source from which the project is to be populated
>
> Current Cayenne sources at http://objectstyle.org/cayenne/
> Section 3: Identify the ASF resources to be created
> Section 3.1 : Mailing Lists
>
> * cayenne-dev
> * cayenne-user
> * cayenne-scm
> * cayenne-ppmc
>
> * need to import lists of subscribers from current ezmlm
> ObjectStyle.org lists.
>
> Section 3.2: SVN Repositories
>
> * cayenne (need to import current CVS)
>
> Section 3.3: Issue Tracking
>
> * Need a new Jira project called CAYENNE.
> * Need to import current issues from ObjectStyle.org Jira
>
> Section 4: Identify the Initial Set of Committers
> ASF Committers
>
> * Mike Kienenberger (MyFaces PMC - apache user id 'mkienenb')
>
> Non-ASF Committers
>
> * Andrus Adamchik
> * Cris Daniluk
> * Michael Gentry
> * Tore Halset
> * Kevin Menard
> * Eric Schneider
>
> Section 5: Identify ASF Sponsor
>
> * Sponsor: Incubator PMC
> * Mentors:
> o Jim Jagielski
> o Brian McCallister
>
> * Non-member ASF committers who volunteered to help with the
> incubation:
> o Bill Dudney
> o Thomas Dudziak
>
> Section 6: Open Issues for Discussion
>
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Trustin Lee <tr...@gmail.com>.
+1 (non-binding)
Cheers,
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
On Mar 2, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Yoav Shapira wrote:
> On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>> I'd like to call a vote on our incubator proposal. There hasn't been
>> any negative feedback so far, we found mentors, and we are eager to
>> move ahead with the process.
>
> No negative feedback, but I thought we agreed on the DB project as the
> first destination, and then possibly a TLP later?
My impression was that the consensus was to postpone such decision
till we graduate from the incubator, as there was support for both
options, even from within DB community.
I am personally not against the DB option, but see my other posts on
why I think TLP makes much more sense:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/
200602.mbox/%3cB45BC9DA-32BF-4C1E-BB39-34B0B73C1C5D@objectstyle.org%3e
Andrus
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:12 AM, Cris Daniluk wrote:
>> On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>>> I'd like to call a vote on our incubator proposal. There hasn't been
>>> any negative feedback so far, we found mentors, and we are eager to
>>> move ahead with the process.
>>
>> No negative feedback, but I thought we agreed on the DB project as
>> the
>> first destination, and then possibly a TLP later?
>>
>
> I think the consensus was that a decision would be made when (and
> hopefully once) Cayenne graduates from Incubation. We are under the
> impression (from comments in the previous thread) that a decision does
> not need to be made until then.
>
Not quite. For example, say that, for some reason, during
Incubation the DB project changes it's mind. Since it's not
the Sponsoring project, it places Cayenne and the
Incubator in a bad position.
If DB is willing to be the graduating PMC, it is easier to
change graduation from a sub-project to a TLP rather
than the reverse.
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Cris Daniluk <cr...@gmail.com>.
> On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
> > I'd like to call a vote on our incubator proposal. There hasn't been
> > any negative feedback so far, we found mentors, and we are eager to
> > move ahead with the process.
>
> No negative feedback, but I thought we agreed on the DB project as the
> first destination, and then possibly a TLP later?
>
I think the consensus was that a decision would be made when (and
hopefully once) Cayenne graduates from Incubation. We are under the
impression (from comments in the previous thread) that a decision does
not need to be made until then.
Cris Daniluk
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org>.
Hola,
On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
> I'd like to call a vote on our incubator proposal. There hasn't been
> any negative feedback so far, we found mentors, and we are eager to
> move ahead with the process.
No negative feedback, but I thought we agreed on the DB project as the
first destination, and then possibly a TLP later?
> * Alignment: We propose Cayenne as a TLP within the ASF,
> sponsored by the Incubator TLP.
Other than this the rest looks good.
Yoav
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Brian McCallister <br...@apache.org>.
On Mar 2, 2006, at 6:24 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
> Sorry, this is confusion on my end. I will change the Sponsor to
> DB, but is this consistent with the fact that we have no final
> decision on how Cayenne will graduate from the incubator (as TLP or
> DB subproject)?
You cannot actually do that unless the DB PMC votes to sponsor
Cayenne, which we haven't done. If Thomas wants to introduce such a
motion I'm happy to consider it, but as of yet, it hasn't happened.
If that is the path Cayenne wants to take, let us know and we'll chat
about it =)
-Brian
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Thomas Dudziak <to...@gmail.com>.
On 3/2/06, Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hola,
>
> > He was referring to the discussion on the db-general list.
> > I've started a vote on the DB PMC list which ends on Sunday, so let's
> > postpone this discussion until then. I'll post the results on Monday.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Tom
>
> Good, thank you.
¡de nada! :-)
Tom
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org>.
Hola,
> He was referring to the discussion on the db-general list.
> I've started a vote on the DB PMC list which ends on Sunday, so let's
> postpone this discussion until then. I'll post the results on Monday.
>
> cheers,
> Tom
Good, thank you.
Yoav
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Thomas Dudziak <to...@gmail.com>.
On 3/2/06, Daniel John Debrunner <dj...@debrunners.com> wrote:
> > More to the point, I was the one who started the confusion with the
> > Incubator PMC vote. As far as I can tell it is resolved now. Everybody
> > involved from Cayenne, Incubator, and DB are in favor of DB PMC to be
> > the Sponsor.
>
> There has been no vote and no (maybe very little) discussion on DB PMC,
> so I don't think you can say that everyone from "DB" are in favor of DB
> PMC being the sponsor. That may be the case, but there's no evidence for it.
He was referring to the discussion on the db-general list.
I've started a vote on the DB PMC list which ends on Sunday, so let's
postpone this discussion until then. I'll post the results on Monday.
cheers,
Tom
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Thomas Dudziak <to...@gmail.com>.
On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
> More to the point, I was the one who started the confusion with the
> Incubator PMC vote. As far as I can tell it is resolved now.
> Everybody involved from Cayenne, Incubator, and DB are in favor of DB
> PMC to be the Sponsor.
Ok, then I'll start a vote on the DB PMC.
Tom
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Daniel John Debrunner <dj...@debrunners.com>.
Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> Geir,
>
> I don't think there is any contradiction between your post and what
> Mike was saying. If you look at the thread context, we are still
> talking about how to move with the incubation sponsorship.
>
> More to the point, I was the one who started the confusion with the
> Incubator PMC vote. As far as I can tell it is resolved now. Everybody
> involved from Cayenne, Incubator, and DB are in favor of DB PMC to be
> the Sponsor.
There has been no vote and no (maybe very little) discussion on DB PMC,
so I don't think you can say that everyone from "DB" are in favor of DB
PMC being the sponsor. That may be the case, but there's no evidence for it.
Dan.
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Geir,
I don't think there is any contradiction between your post and what
Mike was saying. If you look at the thread context, we are still
talking about how to move with the incubation sponsorship.
More to the point, I was the one who started the confusion with the
Incubator PMC vote. As far as I can tell it is resolved now.
Everybody involved from Cayenne, Incubator, and DB are in favor of DB
PMC to be the Sponsor.
Andrus
On Mar 2, 2006, at 7:33 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> Mike Kienenberger wrote:
>> Yes, we've already discussed this in the cayenne community and are in
>> agreement that while we'd prefer TLP, we're ok with being under DB or
>> Geronimo.
>
> Geronimo? Sheesh.
>
> The issue now is incubation sponsorship, which is independent of
> landing spot after graduation.
>
> Lets just resolve the sponsorship issue and move from there.
>
> geir
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>.
> Mike Kienenberger wrote:
> > Yes, we've already discussed this in the cayenne community and are in
> > agreement that while we'd prefer TLP, we're ok with being under DB or
> > Geronimo.
>
On 3/2/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com> wrote:
> Geronimo? Sheesh.
>
> The issue now is incubation sponsorship, which is independent of landing
> spot after graduation.
>
> Lets just resolve the sponsorship issue and move from there.
Yes, my point is that the Cayenne community has discussed a variety of
options and we're open to any of those we discussed (TLP, DB,
Geronimo, Jakarta).
Maybe we should go with Jakarta/Velocity instead? :) After all, we
make heavy use of Velocity and other commons projects. We could do
the "is it a component/framework thing?" as well as the best of you
:) Lots of synergy there :)
Calm down, just kidding :)
-Mike
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com>.
Mike Kienenberger wrote:
> Yes, we've already discussed this in the cayenne community and are in
> agreement that while we'd prefer TLP, we're ok with being under DB or
> Geronimo.
Geronimo? Sheesh.
The issue now is incubation sponsorship, which is independent of landing
spot after graduation.
Lets just resolve the sponsorship issue and move from there.
geir
>
> -Mike
>
> On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>> Ted,
>>
>> The community has been aware of our two graduation options. The issue
>> of sponsorship, albeit the important one, doesn't change the goal of
>> the proposal. Cris just posted a note to our committer list to inform
>> everybody who is not watching general@incubator of the current
>> developments. But I think we can proceed with the DB PMC vote.
>>
>> Andrus
>>
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2006, at 5:57 PM, Ted Husted wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>>>> This (and what Jim said a few minutes ago) is consistent with my
>>>> understanding of the current situation. I just made changes to the
>>>> proposal on Wiki to reflect that DB PMC is a sponsor. See this link
>>>> with highlighted changes:
>>>>
>>>> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/pages/diffpages.action?
>>>> pageId=1121&originalId=1120
>>>>
>>>> So if now the vote moves to DB, what mailing list is it going to be
>>>> on? general@db, or is there another PMC list?
>>>>
>>>> Andrus
>>> First, the Cayenne community should vote among themselves to affirm
>>> that they would be willing to join DB.
>>>
>>> Then, someone in the DB PMC can call for the vote there. Once the DB
>>> vote passes, then you can announce the vote on general@, and proceed
>>> from there. (See, for example, the Struts/Webwork2 process.)
>>>
>>> But, we don't want to start out by having one or two individuals make
>>> unilateral decisions for the community.
>>>
>>> -Ted.
>>>
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>.
Yes, we've already discussed this in the cayenne community and are in
agreement that while we'd prefer TLP, we're ok with being under DB or
Geronimo.
-Mike
On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
> Ted,
>
> The community has been aware of our two graduation options. The issue
> of sponsorship, albeit the important one, doesn't change the goal of
> the proposal. Cris just posted a note to our committer list to inform
> everybody who is not watching general@incubator of the current
> developments. But I think we can proceed with the DB PMC vote.
>
> Andrus
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2006, at 5:57 PM, Ted Husted wrote:
>
> > On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
> >> This (and what Jim said a few minutes ago) is consistent with my
> >> understanding of the current situation. I just made changes to the
> >> proposal on Wiki to reflect that DB PMC is a sponsor. See this link
> >> with highlighted changes:
> >>
> >> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/pages/diffpages.action?
> >> pageId=1121&originalId=1120
> >>
> >> So if now the vote moves to DB, what mailing list is it going to be
> >> on? general@db, or is there another PMC list?
> >>
> >> Andrus
> >
> > First, the Cayenne community should vote among themselves to affirm
> > that they would be willing to join DB.
> >
> > Then, someone in the DB PMC can call for the vote there. Once the DB
> > vote passes, then you can announce the vote on general@, and proceed
> > from there. (See, for example, the Struts/Webwork2 process.)
> >
> > But, we don't want to start out by having one or two individuals make
> > unilateral decisions for the community.
> >
> > -Ted.
> >
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Ted,
The community has been aware of our two graduation options. The issue
of sponsorship, albeit the important one, doesn't change the goal of
the proposal. Cris just posted a note to our committer list to inform
everybody who is not watching general@incubator of the current
developments. But I think we can proceed with the DB PMC vote.
Andrus
On Mar 2, 2006, at 5:57 PM, Ted Husted wrote:
> On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>> This (and what Jim said a few minutes ago) is consistent with my
>> understanding of the current situation. I just made changes to the
>> proposal on Wiki to reflect that DB PMC is a sponsor. See this link
>> with highlighted changes:
>>
>> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/pages/diffpages.action?
>> pageId=1121&originalId=1120
>>
>> So if now the vote moves to DB, what mailing list is it going to be
>> on? general@db, or is there another PMC list?
>>
>> Andrus
>
> First, the Cayenne community should vote among themselves to affirm
> that they would be willing to join DB.
>
> Then, someone in the DB PMC can call for the vote there. Once the DB
> vote passes, then you can announce the vote on general@, and proceed
> from there. (See, for example, the Struts/Webwork2 process.)
>
> But, we don't want to start out by having one or two individuals make
> unilateral decisions for the community.
>
> -Ted.
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>.
On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
> This (and what Jim said a few minutes ago) is consistent with my
> understanding of the current situation. I just made changes to the
> proposal on Wiki to reflect that DB PMC is a sponsor. See this link
> with highlighted changes:
>
> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/pages/diffpages.action?
> pageId=1121&originalId=1120
>
> So if now the vote moves to DB, what mailing list is it going to be
> on? general@db, or is there another PMC list?
>
> Andrus
First, the Cayenne community should vote among themselves to affirm
that they would be willing to join DB.
Then, someone in the DB PMC can call for the vote there. Once the DB
vote passes, then you can announce the vote on general@, and proceed
from there. (See, for example, the Struts/Webwork2 process.)
But, we don't want to start out by having one or two individuals make
unilateral decisions for the community.
-Ted.
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
On Mar 2, 2006, at 5:34 PM, Thomas Dudziak wrote:
> On 3/2/06, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Has the DB project voted to accept the sponsorship?
>>
>> If DB is going to be the sponsor, then another vote by the Incubator
>> PMC is unnecessary.
>
> Not AFAIK. I for one would be in favor of having the DB PMC sponsor
> Cayenne because it fits there (regardless of where it will graduate
> to). If Cayenne wants the DB PMC instead of the Incubator PMC to
> sponsor its incubation, then I'll start a vote there.
>
> Tom
>
This (and what Jim said a few minutes ago) is consistent with my
understanding of the current situation. I just made changes to the
proposal on Wiki to reflect that DB PMC is a sponsor. See this link
with highlighted changes:
http://objectstyle.org/confluence/pages/diffpages.action?
pageId=1121&originalId=1120
So if now the vote moves to DB, what mailing list is it going to be
on? general@db, or is there another PMC list?
Andrus
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Thomas Dudziak <to...@gmail.com>.
On 3/2/06, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has the DB project voted to accept the sponsorship?
>
> If DB is going to be the sponsor, then another vote by the Incubator
> PMC is unnecessary.
Not AFAIK. I for one would be in favor of having the DB PMC sponsor
Cayenne because it fits there (regardless of where it will graduate
to). If Cayenne wants the DB PMC instead of the Incubator PMC to
sponsor its incubation, then I'll start a vote there.
Tom
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>.
Has the DB project voted to accept the sponsorship?
If DB is going to be the sponsor, then another vote by the Incubator
PMC is unnecessary.
-Ted.
On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>
> Sorry, this is confusion on my end. I will change the Sponsor to DB,
> but is this consistent with the fact that we have no final decision
> on how Cayenne will graduate from the incubator (as TLP or DB
> subproject)?
>
> Andrus
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Sorry, this is confusion on my end. I will change the Sponsor to DB,
but is this consistent with the fact that we have no final decision
on how Cayenne will graduate from the incubator (as TLP or DB
subproject)?
Andrus
On Mar 2, 2006, at 5:16 PM, Thomas Dudziak wrote:
> On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>
>> I'd like to call a vote on our incubator proposal. There hasn't been
>> any negative feedback so far, we found mentors, and we are eager to
>> move ahead with the process.
>
> Mhm, why is the Incubator PMC now the sponsor instead of the DB PMC ?
>
> Tom
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Thomas Dudziak <to...@gmail.com>.
On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
> I'd like to call a vote on our incubator proposal. There hasn't been
> any negative feedback so far, we found mentors, and we are eager to
> move ahead with the process.
Mhm, why is the Incubator PMC now the sponsor instead of the DB PMC ?
Tom
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Re: [VOTE] accept Cayenne into incubator
Posted by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>.
+1
-Ted.
On 3/2/06, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
> I'd like to call a vote on our incubator proposal. There hasn't been
> any negative feedback so far, we found mentors, and we are eager to
> move ahead with the process.
>
> See the latest proposal text below.
>
> Andrus
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