our nettiquette guide (Was: Is posting to this list easy or hard?)

[David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>]

Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> Tanja.Witzke@nuernberger.de wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >I don't feel concerned about the archival of this list, because already at 
> >the moment I post something it's almost public.  
> >In my opinion the only thing that could make somebody shy away is the rude 
> >conversation at some other Mailinglists. But at the moment I can't see any 
> >any hint that the conversation on this list will become unfriendly.
> 
> This is a friendly zone! But along those lines, I've been looking for a 
> good "net etiquette" guide to link to from 
> http://db.apache.org/derby/derby_mail.html .
> 
> Right now it links to http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html 
> , which is a pretty good guide on asking smart questions. But there are 
> a couple things I don't like about it. First of all, it's really long. 
> Second, I don't agree with its admonition to "Write in clear, 
> grammatical, correctly-spelled language".  I wouldn't want someone who 
> doesn't speak English as a first language to feel like they shouldn't 
> post. Once upon a time (long, long ago) I worked as a Spanish translator 
> in southern California. But that was 25 years ago and I'm no longer 
> fluent, though I can stumble along ok still. I would feel quite 
> intimidated to post to a list in Spanish if the expectation was the post 
> had to be grammatically correct.  I think we need to be tolerant of 
> participant's backgrounds and welcome what they have to offer, whether 
> the language is grammatical and correctly-spelled or not.
> 
> I've been searching for a shorter guide on the net and here's another 
> thing I don't like. Some of these guides seem to indicate that it's ok 
> to flame others as long as you surround the flame with a warning; for 
> example, inside a block of FLAME ON/OFF tags. I disagree. I think that 
> if someone feels they need to include what they have to say inside a 
> FLAME ON/OFF block, then it's time to step back, cool down, and rethink 
> what they're writing because the message is likely to get completely 
> lost, consumed by the flame.
> 
> Does anyone have a favorite net etiquette guide?

You observed many problems with those general guides
as well as the good parts.

We should make own guide to say exactly what *we* mean
by nettiquette. Then at the bottom point to others.

I promised over on community@ list to start such.
So here it is:
http://www.apache.org/dev/contrib-mail-tips.html

As we talk about ways to make participation easier
then we can add to it.

-David

Re: our nettiquette guide (Was: Is posting to this list easy or hard?)

[Astrid 'Kess' Keßler <ke...@kess-net.de>]

On Tuesday 06 September 2005 01:16, Jean T. Anderson wrote:

> I'm getting a page not found error for
> http://www.apache.org/dev/contrib-mail-tips.html . Could you doublecheck
> that url? I'm definitely interested -- if somewhat delayed in getting
> around to looking at it.
 
The correct url is http://www.apache.org/dev/contrib-email-tips.html

 Kess

Re: our nettiquette guide (Was: Is posting to this list easy or hard?)

["Philip M. Gollucci" <pg...@p6m7g8.com>]

Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
> I'm getting a page not found error for 
> http://www.apache.org/dev/contrib-mail-tips.html . Could you doublecheck 
> that url? I'm definitely interested -- if somewhat delayed in getting 
> around to looking at it.
I believe that was supposed to be:

http://www.apache.org/dev/contrib-email-tips.html


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Re: our nettiquette guide (Was: Is posting to this list easy or hard?)

["Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>]

David Crossley wrote:
> Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> 
>>Tanja.Witzke@nuernberger.de wrote:
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>I don't feel concerned about the archival of this list, because already at 
>>>the moment I post something it's almost public.  
>>>In my opinion the only thing that could make somebody shy away is the rude 
>>>conversation at some other Mailinglists. But at the moment I can't see any 
>>>any hint that the conversation on this list will become unfriendly.
>>
>>This is a friendly zone! But along those lines, I've been looking for a 
>>good "net etiquette" guide to link to from 
>>http://db.apache.org/derby/derby_mail.html .
>> ... 
>>Does anyone have a favorite net etiquette guide? 
> 
> You observed many problems with those general guides
> as well as the good parts.
> 
> We should make own guide to say exactly what *we* mean
> by nettiquette. Then at the bottom point to others.
> 
> I promised over on community@ list to start such.
> So here it is:
> http://www.apache.org/dev/contrib-mail-tips.html
> 
> As we talk about ways to make participation easier
> then we can add to it.
> 
> -David

I'm getting a page not found error for 
http://www.apache.org/dev/contrib-mail-tips.html . Could you doublecheck 
that url? I'm definitely interested -- if somewhat delayed in getting 
around to looking at it.

  -jean