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Repeat Request: Link to my and ESR's "Asking Smart Questions" page
I realise it's difficult to discern legitimate mail from spam, etc.
arriving at webmaster aliases, but this request has been fallen through
the cracks for more a month, and I'd appreciate some help on it.
----- Forwarded message from rick -----
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:50:42 -0700
To: webmaster@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: Link to my and ESR's "Asking Smart Questions" page
Hi there! I'm trying to reach the editor of the
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html page, which links to "How To
Ask Questions The Smart Way",
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html .
Your page says:
Ask smart questions.
Every volunteer project obtains its strength from the people involved
in it. You are welcome to join any of our mailing lists. You can
choose to lurk, or actively participate; it's up to you. The level of
community responsiveness to specific questions is generally directly
proportional to the amount of effort you spend formulating your
question. Eric Raymond has even written an essay entitled "Asking
Smart Questions" [link] precisely on this topic. Although somewhat
militant, it is definitely worth reading.
Two things:
(1) As you'll see if you take a closer look, it's actually co-written by
Eric _and me_. I'd appreciate your fixing that.
(2) Since you guys posted the above text, probably some time in 2001,
both Eric and I have been barraged with e-mail by novice Java coders,
asking us to help them debug their code or solve their Java technical
problems. I've been trying for two years to chase down where all these
Java-heads got the addled notion to write _us_, and I _think_ the
proximate cause is the aforementioned hyperlink.
Eric at least knows some Java, while I know very little, but neither of
us appreciates having utter strangers (essentially) try to lob their
homework at us. (And, no offence intended, but I don't even _like_
Java.) Their doing so isn't your fault, but it would be really nice if
you would add something like:
Note: Do NOT send your Java problems to that FAQ's authors.
They welcome feedback on the FAQ's contents, but are simply
not a Java help resource.
The crowning irony is that one of our FAQ's very first sections is:
When You Ask
Choose your forum carefully
--
Cheers, Founding member of the Hyphenation Society, a grassroots-based,
Rick Moen not-for-profit, locally-owned-and-operated, cooperatively-managed,
rick@linuxmafia.com modern-American-English-usage-improvement association.
----- End forwarded message -----
Re: Repeat Request: Link to my and ESR's "Asking Smart Questions" page
Posted by Rick Moen <ri...@linuxmafia.com>.
Quoting Henri Yandell (bayard@generationjava.com):
> This is now fixed to:
>
> Eric Raymond and Rick Moen have even written an essay entitled "Asking
> Smart Questions" precisely on this topic. Although somewhat militant,
> it is definitely worth reading. Note: Please do not send your Java
> problems to the two authors, follow the essay's advice and choose your
> forum carefully.
Thank you, Henri.
--
Cheers, If C gives you enough rope to hang yourself, then C++ gives you enough
Rick Moen to bind and gag your neighbourhood, rig the sails on a small ship,
rick@linuxmafia.com and still have enough to hang yourself from the yardarm.
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Re: Repeat Request: Link to my and ESR's "Asking Smart Questions" page
Posted by Rick Moen <ri...@linuxmafia.com>.
Quoting Henri Yandell (bayard@generationjava.com):
> This is now fixed to:
>
> Eric Raymond and Rick Moen have even written an essay entitled "Asking
> Smart Questions" precisely on this topic. Although somewhat militant,
> it is definitely worth reading. Note: Please do not send your Java
> problems to the two authors, follow the essay's advice and choose your
> forum carefully.
Thank you, Henri.
--
Cheers, If C gives you enough rope to hang yourself, then C++ gives you enough
Rick Moen to bind and gag your neighbourhood, rig the sails on a small ship,
rick@linuxmafia.com and still have enough to hang yourself from the yardarm.
Re: Repeat Request: Link to my and ESR's "Asking Smart Questions"
page
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
This is now fixed to:
Eric Raymond and Rick Moen have even written an essay entitled "Asking
Smart Questions" precisely on this topic. Although somewhat militant, it
is definitely worth reading.
Note: Please do not send your Java problems to the two authors, follow the
essay's advice and choose your forum carefully.
on
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html
Hen
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Henri Yandell wrote:
>
> Will fix.
>
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Rick Moen wrote:
>
> > I realise it's difficult to discern legitimate mail from spam, etc.
> > arriving at webmaster aliases, but this request has been fallen through
> > the cracks for more a month, and I'd appreciate some help on it.
> >
> > ----- Forwarded message from rick -----
> >
> > Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:50:42 -0700
> > To: webmaster@jakarta.apache.org
> > Subject: Link to my and ESR's "Asking Smart Questions" page
> >
> > Hi there! I'm trying to reach the editor of the
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html page, which links to "How To
> > Ask Questions The Smart Way",
> > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html .
> >
> > Your page says:
> >
> > Ask smart questions.
> > Every volunteer project obtains its strength from the people involved
> > in it. You are welcome to join any of our mailing lists. You can
> > choose to lurk, or actively participate; it's up to you. The level of
> > community responsiveness to specific questions is generally directly
> > proportional to the amount of effort you spend formulating your
> > question. Eric Raymond has even written an essay entitled "Asking
> > Smart Questions" [link] precisely on this topic. Although somewhat
> > militant, it is definitely worth reading.
> >
> > Two things:
> >
> > (1) As you'll see if you take a closer look, it's actually co-written by
> > Eric _and me_. I'd appreciate your fixing that.
> >
> > (2) Since you guys posted the above text, probably some time in 2001,
> > both Eric and I have been barraged with e-mail by novice Java coders,
> > asking us to help them debug their code or solve their Java technical
> > problems. I've been trying for two years to chase down where all these
> > Java-heads got the addled notion to write _us_, and I _think_ the
> > proximate cause is the aforementioned hyperlink.
> >
> > Eric at least knows some Java, while I know very little, but neither of
> > us appreciates having utter strangers (essentially) try to lob their
> > homework at us. (And, no offence intended, but I don't even _like_
> > Java.) Their doing so isn't your fault, but it would be really nice if
> > you would add something like:
> >
> > Note: Do NOT send your Java problems to that FAQ's authors.
> > They welcome feedback on the FAQ's contents, but are simply
> > not a Java help resource.
> >
> > The crowning irony is that one of our FAQ's very first sections is:
> >
> > When You Ask
> > Choose your forum carefully
> >
> > --
> > Cheers, Founding member of the Hyphenation Society, a grassroots-based,
> > Rick Moen not-for-profit, locally-owned-and-operated, cooperatively-managed,
> > rick@linuxmafia.com modern-American-English-usage-improvement association.
> >
> > ----- End forwarded message -----
> >
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> >
>
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Re: Repeat Request: Link to my and ESR's "Asking Smart Questions"
page
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
This is now fixed to:
Eric Raymond and Rick Moen have even written an essay entitled "Asking
Smart Questions" precisely on this topic. Although somewhat militant, it
is definitely worth reading.
Note: Please do not send your Java problems to the two authors, follow the
essay's advice and choose your forum carefully.
on
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html
Hen
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Henri Yandell wrote:
>
> Will fix.
>
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Rick Moen wrote:
>
> > I realise it's difficult to discern legitimate mail from spam, etc.
> > arriving at webmaster aliases, but this request has been fallen through
> > the cracks for more a month, and I'd appreciate some help on it.
> >
> > ----- Forwarded message from rick -----
> >
> > Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:50:42 -0700
> > To: webmaster@jakarta.apache.org
> > Subject: Link to my and ESR's "Asking Smart Questions" page
> >
> > Hi there! I'm trying to reach the editor of the
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html page, which links to "How To
> > Ask Questions The Smart Way",
> > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html .
> >
> > Your page says:
> >
> > Ask smart questions.
> > Every volunteer project obtains its strength from the people involved
> > in it. You are welcome to join any of our mailing lists. You can
> > choose to lurk, or actively participate; it's up to you. The level of
> > community responsiveness to specific questions is generally directly
> > proportional to the amount of effort you spend formulating your
> > question. Eric Raymond has even written an essay entitled "Asking
> > Smart Questions" [link] precisely on this topic. Although somewhat
> > militant, it is definitely worth reading.
> >
> > Two things:
> >
> > (1) As you'll see if you take a closer look, it's actually co-written by
> > Eric _and me_. I'd appreciate your fixing that.
> >
> > (2) Since you guys posted the above text, probably some time in 2001,
> > both Eric and I have been barraged with e-mail by novice Java coders,
> > asking us to help them debug their code or solve their Java technical
> > problems. I've been trying for two years to chase down where all these
> > Java-heads got the addled notion to write _us_, and I _think_ the
> > proximate cause is the aforementioned hyperlink.
> >
> > Eric at least knows some Java, while I know very little, but neither of
> > us appreciates having utter strangers (essentially) try to lob their
> > homework at us. (And, no offence intended, but I don't even _like_
> > Java.) Their doing so isn't your fault, but it would be really nice if
> > you would add something like:
> >
> > Note: Do NOT send your Java problems to that FAQ's authors.
> > They welcome feedback on the FAQ's contents, but are simply
> > not a Java help resource.
> >
> > The crowning irony is that one of our FAQ's very first sections is:
> >
> > When You Ask
> > Choose your forum carefully
> >
> > --
> > Cheers, Founding member of the Hyphenation Society, a grassroots-based,
> > Rick Moen not-for-profit, locally-owned-and-operated, cooperatively-managed,
> > rick@linuxmafia.com modern-American-English-usage-improvement association.
> >
> > ----- End forwarded message -----
> >
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> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@jakarta.apache.org
> >
>
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Re: Repeat Request: Link to my and ESR's "Asking Smart Questions"
page
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
Will fix.
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Rick Moen wrote:
> I realise it's difficult to discern legitimate mail from spam, etc.
> arriving at webmaster aliases, but this request has been fallen through
> the cracks for more a month, and I'd appreciate some help on it.
>
> ----- Forwarded message from rick -----
>
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:50:42 -0700
> To: webmaster@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Link to my and ESR's "Asking Smart Questions" page
>
> Hi there! I'm trying to reach the editor of the
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html page, which links to "How To
> Ask Questions The Smart Way",
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html .
>
> Your page says:
>
> Ask smart questions.
> Every volunteer project obtains its strength from the people involved
> in it. You are welcome to join any of our mailing lists. You can
> choose to lurk, or actively participate; it's up to you. The level of
> community responsiveness to specific questions is generally directly
> proportional to the amount of effort you spend formulating your
> question. Eric Raymond has even written an essay entitled "Asking
> Smart Questions" [link] precisely on this topic. Although somewhat
> militant, it is definitely worth reading.
>
> Two things:
>
> (1) As you'll see if you take a closer look, it's actually co-written by
> Eric _and me_. I'd appreciate your fixing that.
>
> (2) Since you guys posted the above text, probably some time in 2001,
> both Eric and I have been barraged with e-mail by novice Java coders,
> asking us to help them debug their code or solve their Java technical
> problems. I've been trying for two years to chase down where all these
> Java-heads got the addled notion to write _us_, and I _think_ the
> proximate cause is the aforementioned hyperlink.
>
> Eric at least knows some Java, while I know very little, but neither of
> us appreciates having utter strangers (essentially) try to lob their
> homework at us. (And, no offence intended, but I don't even _like_
> Java.) Their doing so isn't your fault, but it would be really nice if
> you would add something like:
>
> Note: Do NOT send your Java problems to that FAQ's authors.
> They welcome feedback on the FAQ's contents, but are simply
> not a Java help resource.
>
> The crowning irony is that one of our FAQ's very first sections is:
>
> When You Ask
> Choose your forum carefully
>
> --
> Cheers, Founding member of the Hyphenation Society, a grassroots-based,
> Rick Moen not-for-profit, locally-owned-and-operated, cooperatively-managed,
> rick@linuxmafia.com modern-American-English-usage-improvement association.
>
> ----- End forwarded message -----
>
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>
Re: Repeat Request: Link to my and ESR's "Asking Smart Questions"
page
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
Will fix.
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Rick Moen wrote:
> I realise it's difficult to discern legitimate mail from spam, etc.
> arriving at webmaster aliases, but this request has been fallen through
> the cracks for more a month, and I'd appreciate some help on it.
>
> ----- Forwarded message from rick -----
>
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:50:42 -0700
> To: webmaster@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Link to my and ESR's "Asking Smart Questions" page
>
> Hi there! I'm trying to reach the editor of the
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html page, which links to "How To
> Ask Questions The Smart Way",
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html .
>
> Your page says:
>
> Ask smart questions.
> Every volunteer project obtains its strength from the people involved
> in it. You are welcome to join any of our mailing lists. You can
> choose to lurk, or actively participate; it's up to you. The level of
> community responsiveness to specific questions is generally directly
> proportional to the amount of effort you spend formulating your
> question. Eric Raymond has even written an essay entitled "Asking
> Smart Questions" [link] precisely on this topic. Although somewhat
> militant, it is definitely worth reading.
>
> Two things:
>
> (1) As you'll see if you take a closer look, it's actually co-written by
> Eric _and me_. I'd appreciate your fixing that.
>
> (2) Since you guys posted the above text, probably some time in 2001,
> both Eric and I have been barraged with e-mail by novice Java coders,
> asking us to help them debug their code or solve their Java technical
> problems. I've been trying for two years to chase down where all these
> Java-heads got the addled notion to write _us_, and I _think_ the
> proximate cause is the aforementioned hyperlink.
>
> Eric at least knows some Java, while I know very little, but neither of
> us appreciates having utter strangers (essentially) try to lob their
> homework at us. (And, no offence intended, but I don't even _like_
> Java.) Their doing so isn't your fault, but it would be really nice if
> you would add something like:
>
> Note: Do NOT send your Java problems to that FAQ's authors.
> They welcome feedback on the FAQ's contents, but are simply
> not a Java help resource.
>
> The crowning irony is that one of our FAQ's very first sections is:
>
> When You Ask
> Choose your forum carefully
>
> --
> Cheers, Founding member of the Hyphenation Society, a grassroots-based,
> Rick Moen not-for-profit, locally-owned-and-operated, cooperatively-managed,
> rick@linuxmafia.com modern-American-English-usage-improvement association.
>
> ----- End forwarded message -----
>
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