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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> on 2020/03/30 19:27:53 UTC
Azul and bundling of Apache NetBeans
Hi all,
I'm moving from Oracle to Azul, from April onwards.
I'll be responsible for open source projects and related team members at
Azul -- and, even better, Azul will be planning to bundle, among others,
NetBeans with Zulu. That's something we've been missing here in the Apache
NetBeans community -- a JDK vendor to bundle NetBeas with a JDK.
More details here:
https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/from-oracle-to-azul
Of course, aside from the above bundling of NetBeans with Zulu, this change
in where I work will have no impact on NetBeans -- no organization has
preferential treatment in Apache projects.
However, any JDK vendor is encouraged to do the same as Azul will be doing
-- turn their JDK into something usable by developers out of the box by
including the tools for using it.
More details re me and Oracle, Azul, etc:
https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/from-oracle-to-azul
Thanks,
Gj
Re: Azul and bundling of Apache NetBeans
Posted by Kai Uwe Pel <ka...@asia.com>.
Congratulations!!!
I am very happy... Apache Netbeans is still moving forward with you on the next higher level, and for our community!
Kai
On 31/03/2020 8:27 am, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm moving from Oracle to Azul, from April onwards.
>
> I'll be responsible for open source projects and related team members at
> Azul -- and, even better, Azul will be planning to bundle, among others,
> NetBeans with Zulu. That's something we've been missing here in the Apache
> NetBeans community -- a JDK vendor to bundle NetBeas with a JDK.
>
> More details here:
>
> https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/from-oracle-to-azul
>
> Of course, aside from the above bundling of NetBeans with Zulu, this change
> in where I work will have no impact on NetBeans -- no organization has
> preferential treatment in Apache projects.
>
> However, any JDK vendor is encouraged to do the same as Azul will be doing
> -- turn their JDK into something usable by developers out of the box by
> including the tools for using it.
>
> More details re me and Oracle, Azul, etc:
>
> https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/from-oracle-to-azul
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
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Re: Azul and bundling of Apache NetBeans
Posted by Mark Phipps <ma...@sucfin.com>.
Good for you Geertjan, you and the team are all heroes. Good luck with the next chapter of your own career!
Cheers
Mark
On 30 Mar 2020, at 20:27, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm moving from Oracle to Azul, from April onwards.
I'll be responsible for open source projects and related team members at
Azul -- and, even better, Azul will be planning to bundle, among others,
NetBeans with Zulu. That's something we've been missing here in the Apache
NetBeans community -- a JDK vendor to bundle NetBeas with a JDK.
More details here:
https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/from-oracle-to-azul<https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/from-oracle-to-azul>
Of course, aside from the above bundling of NetBeans with Zulu, this change
in where I work will have no impact on NetBeans -- no organization has
preferential treatment in Apache projects.
However, any JDK vendor is encouraged to do the same as Azul will be doing
-- turn their JDK into something usable by developers out of the box by
including the tools for using it.
More details re me and Oracle, Azul, etc:
https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/from-oracle-to-azul<https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/from-oracle-to-azul>
Thanks,
Gj
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Re: Azul and bundling of Apache NetBeans
Posted by Yonathan W`Gebriel <yt...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
Congrats,
I hope many good things will come out of it.
—
Yonathan.
On Mar 30, 2020, 3:28 PM -0400, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>, wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm moving from Oracle to Azul, from April onwards.
>
> I'll be responsible for open source projects and related team members at
> Azul -- and, even better, Azul will be planning to bundle, among others,
> NetBeans with Zulu. That's something we've been missing here in the Apache
> NetBeans community -- a JDK vendor to bundle NetBeas with a JDK.
>
> More details here:
>
> https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/from-oracle-to-azul
>
> Of course, aside from the above bundling of NetBeans with Zulu, this change
> in where I work will have no impact on NetBeans -- no organization has
> preferential treatment in Apache projects.
>
> However, any JDK vendor is encouraged to do the same as Azul will be doing
> -- turn their JDK into something usable by developers out of the box by
> including the tools for using it.
>
> More details re me and Oracle, Azul, etc:
>
> https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/from-oracle-to-azul
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
Re: Azul and bundling of Apache NetBeans
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
Hi all,
Thanks James, yes, it's been an interesting challenge getting as much of
NetBeans as possible over to Apache, and the process is still ongoing. :-)
And, indeed, Azul is a central place to be right now.
Others, re the branding of NetBeans with JDKs, the name -- if the binary is
unchanged, which I believe would be the case (unless the JDK vendor were to
bundle NetBeans with some vendor-specific modules, which initially at least
does not seem like something that will happen), then the name will simply
be "Apache NetBeans", e.g., a bundle at Azul would probably be named "Zulu
JDK with Apache NetBeans".
Gj
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 4:19 PM Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 at 14:52, Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com> wrote:
> > The only tricky thing is how to brand the bundle without violating the
> Apache trademark policies. Will every bundled distribution need to
> explicitly avoid the name "NetBeans"? Or can one say "Apache NetBeans with
> SomeCorp JDK" so long as the included NetBeans binaries are the unmodified
> Apache ones, and not a derivative? (I don't know the answer.)
>
> That's what we've said before, although should be included binaries
> are built from unmodified sources. We only release sources! ;-)
> Although a distribution could use our signed binaries, I don't think
> requiring that is good or reasonable for an open source project.
>
> I don't think we ever decided how much patching of sources, if any, is
> allowed before people need to not call it Apache NetBeans?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
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Re: Azul and bundling of Apache NetBeans
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 at 14:52, Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com> wrote:
> The only tricky thing is how to brand the bundle without violating the Apache trademark policies. Will every bundled distribution need to explicitly avoid the name "NetBeans"? Or can one say "Apache NetBeans with SomeCorp JDK" so long as the included NetBeans binaries are the unmodified Apache ones, and not a derivative? (I don't know the answer.)
That's what we've said before, although should be included binaries
are built from unmodified sources. We only release sources! ;-)
Although a distribution could use our signed binaries, I don't think
requiring that is good or reasonable for an open source project.
I don't think we ever decided how much patching of sources, if any, is
allowed before people need to not call it Apache NetBeans?
Best wishes,
Neil
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RE: Azul and bundling of Apache NetBeans
Posted by Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>.
Congrats, Geertjan! A big, big thank you for helping maneuver the successful handover of NetBeans to Apache, and for keeping NetBeans alive and healthy at Oracle in all the intervening years since the Sun acquisition. Your management and championship has been absolutely essential to the continued success of NetBeans. Cheers to many more years with your involvement in NetBeans!
I think that NetBeans+JDK+nbjavac bundles will be very important from an adoption perspective. Myself, I bundle my NetBeans Platform application with the Azul Zulu JDK.
The only tricky thing is how to brand the bundle without violating the Apache trademark policies. Will every bundled distribution need to explicitly avoid the name "NetBeans"? Or can one say "Apache NetBeans with SomeCorp JDK" so long as the included NetBeans binaries are the unmodified Apache ones, and not a derivative? (I don't know the answer.)
-- Eirik
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From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
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Subject: Azul and bundling of Apache NetBeans
Hi all,
I'm moving from Oracle to Azul, from April onwards.
I'll be responsible for open source projects and related team members at Azul -- and, even better, Azul will be planning to bundle, among others, NetBeans with Zulu. That's something we've been missing here in the Apache NetBeans community -- a JDK vendor to bundle NetBeas with a JDK.
More details here:
https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/from-oracle-to-azul
Of course, aside from the above bundling of NetBeans with Zulu, this change in where I work will have no impact on NetBeans -- no organization has preferential treatment in Apache projects.
However, any JDK vendor is encouraged to do the same as Azul will be doing
-- turn their JDK into something usable by developers out of the box by including the tools for using it.
More details re me and Oracle, Azul, etc:
https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/from-oracle-to-azul
Thanks,
Gj
Re: Azul and bundling of Apache NetBeans
Posted by James Gosling <ja...@norquay.com>.
Congratulations! Your time at Oracle has clearly been a trial. Azul is a great company, doing well.
> On Mar 30, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm moving from Oracle to Azul, from April onwards.
>
> I'll be responsible for open source projects and related team members at
> Azul -- and, even better, Azul will be planning to bundle, among others,
> NetBeans with Zulu. That's something we've been missing here in the Apache
> NetBeans community -- a JDK vendor to bundle NetBeas with a JDK.
>
> More details here:
>
> https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/from-oracle-to-azul
>
> Of course, aside from the above bundling of NetBeans with Zulu, this change
> in where I work will have no impact on NetBeans -- no organization has
> preferential treatment in Apache projects.
>
> However, any JDK vendor is encouraged to do the same as Azul will be doing
> -- turn their JDK into something usable by developers out of the box by
> including the tools for using it.
>
> More details re me and Oracle, Azul, etc:
>
> https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/from-oracle-to-azul
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
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