SV: Making Struts Build Easier (Re: "coming out" for JSF + Struts , was: Struts JSR?)

[he...@dnbnor.no]

Hi

I think that the move to Maven is a giant leap forward. Now at least we
can build with requisite jars that are already build. Earlier it ment
that you would have to buil a bunch of projects before you could
actually do the real build. Also you can have local repositories for
when you are offline.

Hermod

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Fra: Joe Germuska [mailto:Joe@Germuska.com]
Sendt: 22. mars 2004 15:28
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Emne: Making Struts Build Easier (Re: "coming out" for JSF + Struts,
was: Struts JSR?)


>For me, the main discouraging thing about contributing to the 
>development of Struts has been the build process.  In the past, you 
>had to download all of jakarta-commons and spend a day or two 
>figuring out how to get that to build.  Recently, I tried to build 
>Struts and was successful using the Maven stuff.  Personally, I 
>don't mind using Maven, but I don't know that it should be 
>*required* to build a project from scratch.  I'd love to be able to 
>cvs co Struts, navigate to jakarta-struts and type "ant jar".
>
>I realize this is no easy thing to accomplish with a build file - 
>but it has been the most discouraging factor for me. ;-)

The only way we could accomplish something like that with a build 
file would be by including JARs in CVS, and if you ask me, there are 
enough reasons why that's a bad idea that I prefer the way it is, 
even though I'd very much like to see people feel more comfortable 
getting in and working on Struts source code.

When you say "I don't know that [Maven] should be *required*..." is 
your point that Ant is a widely accepted Java tool, while Maven has 
yet to cut a 1.0 release?  That's fair -- just want to make sure I 
understand you.

The build.xml file generated by 'maven ant' uses the ant 'get' task 
and the Maven iBiblio repository to download dependencies; we could 
perhaps look at copying some of that into our ant script to reduce 
build.properties to being more about configuration stuff and less 
about dependency stuff.

Joe

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Re: SV: Making Struts Build Easier (Re: "coming out" for JSF + Struts , was: Struts JSR?)

[Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 hermod.opstvedt@dnbnor.no wrote:

> Hi
>
> I think that the move to Maven is a giant leap forward. Now at least we
> can build with requisite jars that are already build. Earlier it ment
> that you would have to buil a bunch of projects before you could
> actually do the real build. Also you can have local repositories for
> when you are offline.

Building the dependencies yourself has *never* been required for Struts.
You can build against released versions of Commons components, or, when
those are in flux and we've been depending on unreleased features, on the
nightly builds of them.

Note that with Maven, you actually have a stronger requirement than with
the Ant build - that the versions of the Commons dependencies you need
have been made available in a Maven repository. (Yes, that can be worked
around, but we're talking here about the ease with which you can just type
'maven' and have everything happen.)

--
Martin Cooper


>
> Hermod
>
> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> Fra: Joe Germuska [mailto:Joe@Germuska.com]
> Sendt: 22. mars 2004 15:28
> Til: Struts Developers List
> Emne: Making Struts Build Easier (Re: "coming out" for JSF + Struts,
> was: Struts JSR?)
>
>
> >For me, the main discouraging thing about contributing to the
> >development of Struts has been the build process.  In the past, you
> >had to download all of jakarta-commons and spend a day or two
> >figuring out how to get that to build.  Recently, I tried to build
> >Struts and was successful using the Maven stuff.  Personally, I
> >don't mind using Maven, but I don't know that it should be
> >*required* to build a project from scratch.  I'd love to be able to
> >cvs co Struts, navigate to jakarta-struts and type "ant jar".
> >
> >I realize this is no easy thing to accomplish with a build file -
> >but it has been the most discouraging factor for me. ;-)
>
> The only way we could accomplish something like that with a build
> file would be by including JARs in CVS, and if you ask me, there are
> enough reasons why that's a bad idea that I prefer the way it is,
> even though I'd very much like to see people feel more comfortable
> getting in and working on Struts source code.
>
> When you say "I don't know that [Maven] should be *required*..." is
> your point that Ant is a widely accepted Java tool, while Maven has
> yet to cut a 1.0 release?  That's fair -- just want to make sure I
> understand you.
>
> The build.xml file generated by 'maven ant' uses the ant 'get' task
> and the Maven iBiblio repository to download dependencies; we could
> perhaps look at copying some of that into our ant script to reduce
> build.properties to being more about configuration stuff and less
> about dependency stuff.
>
> Joe
>
>

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