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[DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Hi,
Apache Eagle started incubation in October last year. With the whole year's
tireless efforts, this podling has made great progress in delivering useful
and complete features in monitoring large Apache Hadoop clusters, being
open to grow community, and operating the project in Apache way.
Today with great support from our mentors and Eagle community[1][2], I
would like bring the discussion of graduating Apache Eagle to top level
project with proposed resolution below.
The Apache Eagle community has discussed graduation for some time and
prepared maturity self-assessment [3]. Also here I want to list all the
facts that Eagle community has achieved during incubation so far.
> Key features and framework improvement
In feature wise, Apache Eagle expands from supporting HDFS audit log
monitoring at the beginning to a complete spectrum of monitoring features,
e.g. Apache Hadoop JMX metrics, Yarn applications, Job performance, Cluster
resource usage etc.
In order for supporting numerous use cases in monitoring large Apache
Hadoop clusters, Apache Eagle also delivered framework artifacts to make
integrating new monitoring application very easy. The framework artifacts
include stream based CEP alert engine, monitoring application lifecycle
management framework and flexible query language backed by Apache HBase.
> Releases
2 formal releases were finished and now 0.5 release which is important
milestone is in baking staging and will be out soon.
> Community growth and product adoptions.
5 new committers from different companies joined Apache Eagle as committer
since incubation. Now totally Apache Eagle has 14 committers. Also we are
glad to see that some companies have deployed Apache Eagle as monitoring
solution for Apache Hadoop clusters.
> Development activities
700 + pull requests from 20 individual contributors, 800+ JIRA tickets
(resolved ~600). Community has been continuously active.
> Conferences
We attended many conferences e.g. Hadoop summit, Strata+Hadoop world, QCon
etc. to evangelize Apache Eagle's ability in monitoring large Apache Hadoop
clusters and learn how to improve.
Now we are going to propose the following board resolution for graduating
to top level project.
Resolution:
Establish the Apache Eagle Project
WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the
public, related to a distributed monitoring solution for identifying
security and performance issues in real time on big data platforms,
including Apache Hadoop and Apache Spark etc.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Eagle Project",
be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
Foundation; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Apache Eagle Project be and hereby is
responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
related to a distributed monitoring solution for identifying security and
performance issues in real time on big data platforms, including Apache
Hadoop and Apache Spark etc.;
and be it further
RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Eagle" be
and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
of the Apache Eagle Project, and to have primary responsibility
for management of the projects within the scope of
responsibility of the Apache Eagle Project; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
Apache Eagle Project:
* Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org>
* Hao Chen <ha...@apache.org>
* Qingwen Zhao <qi...@apache.org>
* Jilin Jiang <ji...@apache.org>
* Ralph Su <ra...@apache.org>
* Jinhu Wu <ji...@apache.org>
* Daniel Zhou <da...@apache.org>
* Kumar Senthil <senthilec566.apache.org>
* Dendukuri Hemanth <hd...@apache.org>
* Wu Michael <mw...@apache.org>
* Manoharan Arun <ar...@apache.org>
* Gupta Chaitali <cg...@apache.org>
* Libin Sun <li...@apache.org>
* P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@apache.org>
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Edward Zhang
be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Eagle, to
serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Eagle PMC be and hereby is
tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
encourage open development and increased participation in the
Apache Eagle Project; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Apache Eagle Project be and hereby
is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
Incubator Eagle podling; and be it further
RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
Incubator Eagle podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
Project are hereafter discharged.
[1] http://markmail.org/thread/eznd2kfei3mxbzxg
[2] http://apache.markmail.org/thread/s2yegpmxf3g7fa34
[3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/EAG/Eagle+Podli
ng+Maturity+Assessment
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>.
HI Bertrand,
Thanks for the comment.
I am one of the mentors for Eagle.
I have reviewed the list of the maturity guide, and for it always more
of suggestion as whether a project is ready for graduation, and have
been using it as is.
Unless there is a glaring misrepresentation of state of the union of
the podling, I did not raise any comment on it.
But, day to day operations, the community has been following the
Apache Way of development.
As for CS50, I believe it was about initial technical design that
happened offline, but I believe ALL design proposal that come to
source, always end up to dev@ and JIRA before being implemented.
- Henry
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 11:22 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
>> ...Today with great support from our mentors and Eagle community[1][2], I
>> would like bring the discussion of graduating Apache Eagle...
>
> Looking at the page history of your self-assessment [3] it doesn't
> seem like your mentors have been involved in that. If your mentors can
> comment here on whether they agree with that assessment that would be
> useful IMO. Feel free to provide links to prior discussions if I
> missed something.
>
> One concern there is CS50 there where a note mentions that "we still
> need some face-to-face private discussions to be documented in public
> channel". What's the Eagle mentors opinion on this?
>
> -Bertrand
>
>> [1] http://markmail.org/thread/eznd2kfei3mxbzxg
>> [2] http://apache.markmail.org/thread/s2yegpmxf3g7fa34
>> [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/EAG/Eagle+Podli
>> ng+Maturity+Assessment
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by Edward Zhang <yo...@gmail.com>.
Ok, Julian, I will add you when we start formal vote.
Thanks
Edward
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 11:43 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
> I am happy to stay on as a PMC member. (I was simply trying to trim my
> responsibilities, and to avoid collecting PMC memberships the way my
> younger brother used to collect Boy Scout proficiency badges.) Edward,
> Please add me to the list when you start the formal vote.
>
> As a mentor, let me state for the record that in my opinion, this project
> is ready to graduate. They have been successfully making releases and
> self-governing for some time.
>
> There may be private channel communications (by definition, I’m not aware
> of them!) but my sense from the traffic on the dev list is that newcomers
> feel included and welcome. I am glad that the project acknowledges that
> there is a problem and is working to solve it.
>
> Julian
>
>
>
> > On Dec 6, 2016, at 11:22 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> ...Today with great support from our mentors and Eagle community[1][2],
> I
> >> would like bring the discussion of graduating Apache Eagle...
> >
> > Looking at the page history of your self-assessment [3] it doesn't
> > seem like your mentors have been involved in that. If your mentors can
> > comment here on whether they agree with that assessment that would be
> > useful IMO. Feel free to provide links to prior discussions if I
> > missed something.
> >
> > One concern there is CS50 there where a note mentions that "we still
> > need some face-to-face private discussions to be documented in public
> > channel". What's the Eagle mentors opinion on this?
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >
> >> [1] http://markmail.org/thread/eznd2kfei3mxbzxg
> >> [2] http://apache.markmail.org/thread/s2yegpmxf3g7fa34
> >> [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/EAG/Eagle+Podli
> >> ng+Maturity+Assessment
> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...I am glad that the project acknowledges that there is a problem and is working
> to solve it....
Ok and thanks for agreeing to stay on the PMC!
With concerns like this (even minor apparently) it's good to have more
Apache Members on board.
-Bertrand
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>.
I am happy to stay on as a PMC member. (I was simply trying to trim my responsibilities, and to avoid collecting PMC memberships the way my younger brother used to collect Boy Scout proficiency badges.) Edward, Please add me to the list when you start the formal vote.
As a mentor, let me state for the record that in my opinion, this project is ready to graduate. They have been successfully making releases and self-governing for some time.
There may be private channel communications (by definition, I’m not aware of them!) but my sense from the traffic on the dev list is that newcomers feel included and welcome. I am glad that the project acknowledges that there is a problem and is working to solve it.
Julian
> On Dec 6, 2016, at 11:22 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
>> ...Today with great support from our mentors and Eagle community[1][2], I
>> would like bring the discussion of graduating Apache Eagle...
>
> Looking at the page history of your self-assessment [3] it doesn't
> seem like your mentors have been involved in that. If your mentors can
> comment here on whether they agree with that assessment that would be
> useful IMO. Feel free to provide links to prior discussions if I
> missed something.
>
> One concern there is CS50 there where a note mentions that "we still
> need some face-to-face private discussions to be documented in public
> channel". What's the Eagle mentors opinion on this?
>
> -Bertrand
>
>> [1] http://markmail.org/thread/eznd2kfei3mxbzxg
>> [2] http://apache.markmail.org/thread/s2yegpmxf3g7fa34
>> [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/EAG/Eagle+Podli
>> ng+Maturity+Assessment
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...Today with great support from our mentors and Eagle community[1][2], I
> would like bring the discussion of graduating Apache Eagle...
Looking at the page history of your self-assessment [3] it doesn't
seem like your mentors have been involved in that. If your mentors can
comment here on whether they agree with that assessment that would be
useful IMO. Feel free to provide links to prior discussions if I
missed something.
One concern there is CS50 there where a note mentions that "we still
need some face-to-face private discussions to be documented in public
channel". What's the Eagle mentors opinion on this?
-Bertrand
> [1] http://markmail.org/thread/eznd2kfei3mxbzxg
> [2] http://apache.markmail.org/thread/s2yegpmxf3g7fa34
> [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/EAG/Eagle+Podli
> ng+Maturity+Assessment
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>.
I think it was this section:
"
The resolution should be proposed on the general incubator list before
a VOTE is started to allow feedback.
Once a consensus has been reached, a VOTE should be started on the
same general incubator list by a member of the PPMC proposing that the
IPMC recommends the resolution to the Board.
"
can be considered as suggestion to send DISCUSS thread before VOTE in
general@ list.
- Henry
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 11:03 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> I think eagle (and many other podlings) graduating would be a great move.
>
> For the record, I don't see a requirement to discuss on either page. Its
> usually a heads up.
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html
>
> John
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Apache Eagle started incubation in October last year. With the whole year's
>> tireless efforts, this podling has made great progress in delivering useful
>> and complete features in monitoring large Apache Hadoop clusters, being
>> open to grow community, and operating the project in Apache way.
>>
>> Today with great support from our mentors and Eagle community[1][2], I
>> would like bring the discussion of graduating Apache Eagle to top level
>> project with proposed resolution below.
>>
>> The Apache Eagle community has discussed graduation for some time and
>> prepared maturity self-assessment [3]. Also here I want to list all the
>> facts that Eagle community has achieved during incubation so far.
>>
>> > Key features and framework improvement
>> In feature wise, Apache Eagle expands from supporting HDFS audit log
>> monitoring at the beginning to a complete spectrum of monitoring features,
>> e.g. Apache Hadoop JMX metrics, Yarn applications, Job performance, Cluster
>> resource usage etc.
>>
>> In order for supporting numerous use cases in monitoring large Apache
>> Hadoop clusters, Apache Eagle also delivered framework artifacts to make
>> integrating new monitoring application very easy. The framework artifacts
>> include stream based CEP alert engine, monitoring application lifecycle
>> management framework and flexible query language backed by Apache HBase.
>>
>> > Releases
>> 2 formal releases were finished and now 0.5 release which is important
>> milestone is in baking staging and will be out soon.
>>
>> > Community growth and product adoptions.
>> 5 new committers from different companies joined Apache Eagle as committer
>> since incubation. Now totally Apache Eagle has 14 committers. Also we are
>> glad to see that some companies have deployed Apache Eagle as monitoring
>> solution for Apache Hadoop clusters.
>>
>> > Development activities
>> 700 + pull requests from 20 individual contributors, 800+ JIRA tickets
>> (resolved ~600). Community has been continuously active.
>>
>> > Conferences
>> We attended many conferences e.g. Hadoop summit, Strata+Hadoop world, QCon
>> etc. to evangelize Apache Eagle's ability in monitoring large Apache Hadoop
>> clusters and learn how to improve.
>>
>> Now we are going to propose the following board resolution for graduating
>> to top level project.
>>
>>
>> Resolution:
>>
>> Establish the Apache Eagle Project
>>
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>
>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>
>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>
>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>
>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the
>>
>> public, related to a distributed monitoring solution for identifying
>> security and performance issues in real time on big data platforms,
>> including Apache Hadoop and Apache Spark etc.
>>
>>
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>
>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Eagle Project",
>>
>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>
>> Foundation; and be it further
>>
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Eagle Project be and hereby is
>>
>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>>
>> related to a distributed monitoring solution for identifying security and
>> performance issues in real time on big data platforms, including Apache
>> Hadoop and Apache Spark etc.;
>>
>> and be it further
>>
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Eagle" be
>>
>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>
>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>>
>> of the Apache Eagle Project, and to have primary responsibility
>>
>> for management of the projects within the scope of
>>
>> responsibility of the Apache Eagle Project; and be it further
>>
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>
>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>
>> Apache Eagle Project:
>>
>>
>> * Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org>
>>
>> * Hao Chen <ha...@apache.org>
>>
>> * Qingwen Zhao <qi...@apache.org>
>>
>> * Jilin Jiang <ji...@apache.org>
>>
>> * Ralph Su <ra...@apache.org>
>>
>> * Jinhu Wu <ji...@apache.org>
>>
>> * Daniel Zhou <da...@apache.org>
>>
>> * Kumar Senthil <senthilec566.apache.org>
>>
>> * Dendukuri Hemanth <hd...@apache.org>
>>
>> * Wu Michael <mw...@apache.org>
>>
>> * Manoharan Arun <ar...@apache.org>
>>
>> * Gupta Chaitali <cg...@apache.org>
>>
>> * Libin Sun <li...@apache.org>
>>
>> * P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@apache.org>
>>
>>
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Edward Zhang
>>
>> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Eagle, to
>>
>> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>
>> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>
>> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>>
>> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Eagle PMC be and hereby is
>>
>> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>>
>> encourage open development and increased participation in the
>>
>> Apache Eagle Project; and be it further
>>
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Eagle Project be and hereby
>>
>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>
>> Incubator Eagle podling; and be it further
>>
>>
>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>
>> Incubator Eagle podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>
>> Project are hereafter discharged.
>>
>>
>> [1] http://markmail.org/thread/eznd2kfei3mxbzxg
>> [2] http://apache.markmail.org/thread/s2yegpmxf3g7fa34
>> [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/EAG/Eagle+Podli
>> ng+Maturity+Assessment
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
I think eagle (and many other podlings) graduating would be a great move.
For the record, I don't see a requirement to discuss on either page. Its
usually a heads up.
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html
John
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Apache Eagle started incubation in October last year. With the whole year's
> tireless efforts, this podling has made great progress in delivering useful
> and complete features in monitoring large Apache Hadoop clusters, being
> open to grow community, and operating the project in Apache way.
>
> Today with great support from our mentors and Eagle community[1][2], I
> would like bring the discussion of graduating Apache Eagle to top level
> project with proposed resolution below.
>
> The Apache Eagle community has discussed graduation for some time and
> prepared maturity self-assessment [3]. Also here I want to list all the
> facts that Eagle community has achieved during incubation so far.
>
> > Key features and framework improvement
> In feature wise, Apache Eagle expands from supporting HDFS audit log
> monitoring at the beginning to a complete spectrum of monitoring features,
> e.g. Apache Hadoop JMX metrics, Yarn applications, Job performance, Cluster
> resource usage etc.
>
> In order for supporting numerous use cases in monitoring large Apache
> Hadoop clusters, Apache Eagle also delivered framework artifacts to make
> integrating new monitoring application very easy. The framework artifacts
> include stream based CEP alert engine, monitoring application lifecycle
> management framework and flexible query language backed by Apache HBase.
>
> > Releases
> 2 formal releases were finished and now 0.5 release which is important
> milestone is in baking staging and will be out soon.
>
> > Community growth and product adoptions.
> 5 new committers from different companies joined Apache Eagle as committer
> since incubation. Now totally Apache Eagle has 14 committers. Also we are
> glad to see that some companies have deployed Apache Eagle as monitoring
> solution for Apache Hadoop clusters.
>
> > Development activities
> 700 + pull requests from 20 individual contributors, 800+ JIRA tickets
> (resolved ~600). Community has been continuously active.
>
> > Conferences
> We attended many conferences e.g. Hadoop summit, Strata+Hadoop world, QCon
> etc. to evangelize Apache Eagle's ability in monitoring large Apache Hadoop
> clusters and learn how to improve.
>
> Now we are going to propose the following board resolution for graduating
> to top level project.
>
>
> Resolution:
>
> Establish the Apache Eagle Project
>
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>
> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the
>
> public, related to a distributed monitoring solution for identifying
> security and performance issues in real time on big data platforms,
> including Apache Hadoop and Apache Spark etc.
>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Eagle Project",
>
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>
> Foundation; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Eagle Project be and hereby is
>
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>
> related to a distributed monitoring solution for identifying security and
> performance issues in real time on big data platforms, including Apache
> Hadoop and Apache Spark etc.;
>
> and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Eagle" be
>
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>
> of the Apache Eagle Project, and to have primary responsibility
>
> for management of the projects within the scope of
>
> responsibility of the Apache Eagle Project; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>
> Apache Eagle Project:
>
>
> * Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org>
>
> * Hao Chen <ha...@apache.org>
>
> * Qingwen Zhao <qi...@apache.org>
>
> * Jilin Jiang <ji...@apache.org>
>
> * Ralph Su <ra...@apache.org>
>
> * Jinhu Wu <ji...@apache.org>
>
> * Daniel Zhou <da...@apache.org>
>
> * Kumar Senthil <senthilec566.apache.org>
>
> * Dendukuri Hemanth <hd...@apache.org>
>
> * Wu Michael <mw...@apache.org>
>
> * Manoharan Arun <ar...@apache.org>
>
> * Gupta Chaitali <cg...@apache.org>
>
> * Libin Sun <li...@apache.org>
>
> * P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@apache.org>
>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Edward Zhang
>
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Eagle, to
>
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Eagle PMC be and hereby is
>
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
>
> Apache Eagle Project; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Eagle Project be and hereby
>
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>
> Incubator Eagle podling; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>
> Incubator Eagle podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
>
> [1] http://markmail.org/thread/eznd2kfei3mxbzxg
> [2] http://apache.markmail.org/thread/s2yegpmxf3g7fa34
> [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/EAG/Eagle+Podli
> ng+Maturity+Assessment
>
Fwd: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by Jim Apple <jb...@cloudera.com>.
Heads up to Impala PMC members: you may be asked about your open
source resume when Impala asks to graduate.
Nothing to worry about, but we should be cognizant that graduation
time may be an all-hand-on-deck situation, since presumably whomever
will propose us won't have this detailed information at their
fingertips and will need to communicate with each PMC member
individually if unexpected questions come up.
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From: Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
Date: Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
> Sure, Roman.
>
> The company affiliations for proposed PMCs are as follows.
>
> * Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org> ebay
> * Hao Chen <ha...@apache.org> ebay
> * Qingwen Zhao <qi...@apache.org> ebay
> * Jilin Jiang <ji...@apache.org> yhd.com
> * Ralph Su <ra...@apache.org> ebay
> * Jinhu Wu <ji...@apache.org> ebay
> * Daniel Zhou <da...@apache.org> dataguise
> * Kumar Senthil <senthilec566@apache.org <http://senthilec566.apache.org/>>
> ebay
> * Dendukuri Hemanth <hd...@apache.org> ebay
> * Wu Michael <mw...@apache.org> ebay
> * Manoharan Arun <ar...@apache.org> adobe
> * Gupta Chaitali <cg...@apache.org> ebay
> * Libin Sun <li...@apache.org> paypal
> * P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@apache.org> hortonworks (mentor and ASF member)
Thanks! FWIW: I'm a bit concerned about EBay having a significant dominance
on the PMC AND having just a single ASF member there. Each one of those
separately would be manageable, but a combination makes me a tad worried.
Nothing that would warrant -1 yet, but I'd like to dig a little deeper.
If you don't mind, can you please talk a little bit more about each PMC member's
experience with ASF (what other projects they are in, etc.) and open source in
general?
Thanks,
Roman.
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by "P. Taylor Goetz" <pt...@gmail.com>.
Aside from a genuine interest in the success of the project, one of my motivations to stay on was to make sure at least one mentor stay on board. I wouldn't mind additional mentors staying on, but don't see that as a requirement. Eagle seems to be in pretty good shape.
I imagine the project may need some post graduation help with things like procedures, karma, etc. Which I can provide. Beyond that, diversification (or better stated: lack of undue influence by any single organization) would be one of my focal points for things to watch.
It would be good keep more than one mentor's eye on the project, but also have a lot of faith in Eagle.
-Taylor
> On Dec 6, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> HI Roman, John,
>
> Most of the mentors have full plate to do and especially need to help
> existing podling to be successful in incubator.
>
> Taylor has been very gracious to stay as initial member of PMCs, so
> we have 1 ASF member, which I think good enough and will be seed to
> invite more Apache Eagle PMCs to be ASF member.
>
> Other than that, I don't the the current members should have good
> level of diversity.
>
> If you looked at Apache Geode when it proposed for graduation, it has
> 22 PMCs from Pivotal only one or two from different orgs.
>
> ALL mentors in Eagle believe that the community have been operating in
> the Apache way, create releases, invite new committers, and follow all
> communications in Apache resources.
>
>
> - Henry
>
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 2:51 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 5:47 PM Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Sure, Roman.
>>>>>
>>>>> The company affiliations for proposed PMCs are as follows.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org> ebay
>>>>> * Hao Chen <ha...@apache.org> ebay
>>>>> * Qingwen Zhao <qi...@apache.org> ebay
>>>>> * Jilin Jiang <ji...@apache.org> yhd.com
>>>>> * Ralph Su <ra...@apache.org> ebay
>>>>> * Jinhu Wu <ji...@apache.org> ebay
>>>>> * Daniel Zhou <da...@apache.org> dataguise
>>>>> * Kumar Senthil <senthilec566@apache.org <
>>>> http://senthilec566.apache.org/>>
>>>>> ebay
>>>>> * Dendukuri Hemanth <hd...@apache.org> ebay
>>>>> * Wu Michael <mw...@apache.org> ebay
>>>>> * Manoharan Arun <ar...@apache.org> adobe
>>>>> * Gupta Chaitali <cg...@apache.org> ebay
>>>>> * Libin Sun <li...@apache.org> paypal
>>>>> * P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@apache.org> hortonworks (mentor and ASF
>>>> member)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks! FWIW: I'm a bit concerned about EBay having a significant dominance
>>>> on the PMC AND having just a single ASF member there. Each one of those
>>>> separately would be manageable, but a combination makes me a tad worried.
>>>> Nothing that would warrant -1 yet, but I'd like to dig a little deeper.
>>>>
>>>> If you don't mind, can you please talk a little bit more about each PMC
>>>> member's
>>>> experience with ASF (what other projects they are in, etc.) and open
>>>> source in
>>>> general?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In addition, there are 5 mentors listed on the podling. Only Taylor wants
>>> to continue on?
>>>
>>> Mentors hsaputra Henry Saputra
>>> . omalley Owen O'Malley
>>> . jhyde Julian Hyde
>>> . ptgoetz P. Taylor Goetz
>>> . amareshwari Amareshwari Sriramadasu
>>
>> Right! And to state the obvious: if, lets say, Owen and Julian can be
>> persuaded to
>> stay on the PMC to keep an eye on the project for at least a year or
>> so -- that'd
>> help me a great deal towards casting +1 on the graduation thread.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roman.
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org>.
Yes, Roman we have download link in eagle docs.
http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/docs/download-0.4.0.html.
Also, there is 0.3 version in archived link.
http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/docs/download.html
Now we support source code download and follow the guideline to build it.
Thanks
Edward
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > HI Roman, John,
> >
> > Most of the mentors have full plate to do and especially need to help
> > existing podling to be successful in incubator.
> >
> > Taylor has been very gracious to stay as initial member of PMCs, so
> > we have 1 ASF member, which I think good enough and will be seed to
> > invite more Apache Eagle PMCs to be ASF member.
> >
> > Other than that, I don't the the current members should have good
> > level of diversity.
> >
> > If you looked at Apache Geode when it proposed for graduation, it has
> > 22 PMCs from Pivotal only one or two from different orgs.
>
> The majority of podlings that come as projects from a single vendor
> struggle
> with PMC diversity. But this gives them even more of a reason to come up
> with creative ways to mitigate it. This is exactly what Geode had to think
> about
> and I hope Eagle will think about as well.
>
> > ALL mentors in Eagle believe that the community have been operating in
> > the Apache way, create releases, invite new committers, and follow all
> > communications in Apache resources.
>
> Good to know! The mentor's vouching for it helps me a lot.
>
> Quick question to the community: why is there no way to download releases
> of the software that are linked from the http://eagle.incubator.apache.
> org/ ?
> Is GitHub being treated as the way to distribute it?
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org>.
Thanks, we will look at download link issues and hope to fix them soon.
Thanks
Edward
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:34 AM, P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The main download page [1] is a little off, but shouldn’t be terribly hard
> to fix.
>
> - The main download link correctly uses closer.cgi, but is missing links
> to dist.a.o for the signatures/checksums and instructions on how to verify
> the archive.
> - The release notes link correctly links to git-wip-us.a.o.
> - The git tag link incorrectly links to GitHub. It should link to the ASF
> git repository.
> - The git commit link also incorrectly links to GitHub.
>
> The last two aren’t required and could be removed or simply changed to
> point to the right place.
>
> The signatures/checksums are in the right place on dist.a.o [2] so adding
> links to them is fairly trivial. I’d also just change the GitHub link on
> the home to be a download link.
>
> I would think the above issues could be addressed before the graduation
> discussion completes. Post graduation I’d recommend a thorough review of
> the website from an ASF branding perspective.
>
> -Taylor
>
>
> [1] http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/docs/download-0.4.0.html <
> http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/docs/download-0.4.0.html>
> [2] https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/eagle/
> apache-eagle-0.4.0-incubating/
>
>
> > On Dec 7, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Looking a the home page http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/ <
> http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/> I think that Eagle should make
> Apache branding clearer for people who do not scroll down past the fold,
> remove the prominent GitHub link, and add a “Download” button to a standard
> download page with instructions on check-sums.
> >
> > I will make sure that this happens immediately after graduation.
> >
> > Julian
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 7, 2016, at 4:30 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I believe this page is also relevant to what Stian's pointing out
> >> http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html#links
> >>
> >> I will say this line looks wrong on the page, and probably is missing a
> >> "not" - which would preclude pointing to github for downloads (I added
> the
> >> *not*)
> >>
> >> Artifacts which are not full official releases (for example, milestones,
> >> betas and alphas) may *not* be linked from the download page. Links to
> >> these artifacts should be removed in a timely fashion.
> >>
> >> It is a bit odd that your downloads page is not linked from the
> homepage,
> >> but it is available within the docs. But that's an optimization not a
> rule.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:16 AM Stian Soiland-Reyes <st...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> This download page does not fully comply with the ASF distribution
> policy,
> >>> which says there should also be a link to the signature and
> description of
> >>> how to check it:
> >>>
> >>> http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/docs/download-0.4.0.html
> >>>
> >>> http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html#distribution_dist
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Is a direct link from front page to an ( implicitly "endorsed"?)
> >>> third-party site GitHub (and no link to ASF downloads) OK according to
> >>> policy? I would have included a traditional Download link - it's OK for
> >>> that page to include both the source code and Maven coordinates, but I
> >>> don't think we should encourage downstream to "download from GitHub" at
> >>> this stage as it conflates what is a PMC-voted ASF release or not.
> >>>
> >>> On 6 Dec 2016 11:22 pm, "Roman Shaposhnik" <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Henry Saputra <
> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> HI Roman, John,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Most of the mentors have full plate to do and especially need to help
> >>>>> existing podling to be successful in incubator.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Taylor has been very gracious to stay as initial member of PMCs, so
> >>>>> we have 1 ASF member, which I think good enough and will be seed to
> >>>>> invite more Apache Eagle PMCs to be ASF member.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Other than that, I don't the the current members should have good
> >>>>> level of diversity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you looked at Apache Geode when it proposed for graduation, it has
> >>>>> 22 PMCs from Pivotal only one or two from different orgs.
> >>>>
> >>>> The majority of podlings that come as projects from a single vendor
> >>>> struggle
> >>>> with PMC diversity. But this gives them even more of a reason to come
> up
> >>>> with creative ways to mitigate it. This is exactly what Geode had to
> >>> think
> >>>> about
> >>>> and I hope Eagle will think about as well.
> >>>>
> >>>>> ALL mentors in Eagle believe that the community have been operating
> in
> >>>>> the Apache way, create releases, invite new committers, and follow
> all
> >>>>> communications in Apache resources.
> >>>>
> >>>> Good to know! The mentor's vouching for it helps me a lot.
> >>>>
> >>>> Quick question to the community: why is there no way to download
> releases
> >>>> of the software that are linked from the
> http://eagle.incubator.apache.
> >>>> org/ ?
> >>>> Is GitHub being treated as the way to distribute it?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Roman.
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org>.
Thanks for fixing download link issue.
Since the discussion is calming down, we would like to start VOTE thread
soon if there is no more comment or concern, thanks so much for your
participation.
Thanks
Edward
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 12:51 AM, Hao Chen <ha...@apache.org> wrote:
> Thanks Taylor and others for the suggestions, and here are some fixes as
> following:
>
> - Add download link in home page [1]
> - Fix git link to apache git-wip-us repository in eagle download page
> [2]
> - Add signatures (md5,asm, sha1) [3] and verification KEYS [4]
>
> [1] http://eagle.incubator.apache.org
> [2] http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/docs/download-latest.html
> [3]
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/eagle/
> apache-eagle-0.4.0-incubating/
> [4] https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/eagle/KEYS
>
> - Hao
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 1:34 AM, P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The main download page [1] is a little off, but shouldn’t be terribly
> hard
> > to fix.
> >
> > - The main download link correctly uses closer.cgi, but is missing links
> > to dist.a.o for the signatures/checksums and instructions on how to
> verify
> > the archive.
> > - The release notes link correctly links to git-wip-us.a.o.
> > - The git tag link incorrectly links to GitHub. It should link to the ASF
> > git repository.
> > - The git commit link also incorrectly links to GitHub.
> >
> > The last two aren’t required and could be removed or simply changed to
> > point to the right place.
> >
> > The signatures/checksums are in the right place on dist.a.o [2] so adding
> > links to them is fairly trivial. I’d also just change the GitHub link on
> > the home to be a download link.
> >
> > I would think the above issues could be addressed before the graduation
> > discussion completes. Post graduation I’d recommend a thorough review of
> > the website from an ASF branding perspective.
> >
> > -Taylor
> >
> >
> > [1] http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/docs/download-0.4.0.html <
> > http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/docs/download-0.4.0.html>
> > [2] https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/eagle/
> > apache-eagle-0.4.0-incubating/
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 7, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Looking a the home page http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/ <
> > http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/> I think that Eagle should make
> > Apache branding clearer for people who do not scroll down past the fold,
> > remove the prominent GitHub link, and add a “Download” button to a
> standard
> > download page with instructions on check-sums.
> > >
> > > I will make sure that this happens immediately after graduation.
> > >
> > > Julian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Dec 7, 2016, at 4:30 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I believe this page is also relevant to what Stian's pointing out
> > >> http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html#links
> > >>
> > >> I will say this line looks wrong on the page, and probably is missing
> a
> > >> "not" - which would preclude pointing to github for downloads (I added
> > the
> > >> *not*)
> > >>
> > >> Artifacts which are not full official releases (for example,
> milestones,
> > >> betas and alphas) may *not* be linked from the download page. Links to
> > >> these artifacts should be removed in a timely fashion.
> > >>
> > >> It is a bit odd that your downloads page is not linked from the
> > homepage,
> > >> but it is available within the docs. But that's an optimization not a
> > rule.
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:16 AM Stian Soiland-Reyes <st...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> This download page does not fully comply with the ASF distribution
> > policy,
> > >>> which says there should also be a link to the signature and
> > description of
> > >>> how to check it:
> > >>>
> > >>> http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/docs/download-0.4.0.html
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html#distribution_dist
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Is a direct link from front page to an ( implicitly "endorsed"?)
> > >>> third-party site GitHub (and no link to ASF downloads) OK according
> to
> > >>> policy? I would have included a traditional Download link - it's OK
> for
> > >>> that page to include both the source code and Maven coordinates, but
> I
> > >>> don't think we should encourage downstream to "download from GitHub"
> at
> > >>> this stage as it conflates what is a PMC-voted ASF release or not.
> > >>>
> > >>> On 6 Dec 2016 11:22 pm, "Roman Shaposhnik" <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Henry Saputra <
> > henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> HI Roman, John,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Most of the mentors have full plate to do and especially need to
> help
> > >>>>> existing podling to be successful in incubator.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Taylor has been very gracious to stay as initial member of PMCs,
> so
> > >>>>> we have 1 ASF member, which I think good enough and will be seed to
> > >>>>> invite more Apache Eagle PMCs to be ASF member.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Other than that, I don't the the current members should have good
> > >>>>> level of diversity.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If you looked at Apache Geode when it proposed for graduation, it
> has
> > >>>>> 22 PMCs from Pivotal only one or two from different orgs.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The majority of podlings that come as projects from a single vendor
> > >>>> struggle
> > >>>> with PMC diversity. But this gives them even more of a reason to
> come
> > up
> > >>>> with creative ways to mitigate it. This is exactly what Geode had to
> > >>> think
> > >>>> about
> > >>>> and I hope Eagle will think about as well.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> ALL mentors in Eagle believe that the community have been operating
> > in
> > >>>>> the Apache way, create releases, invite new committers, and follow
> > all
> > >>>>> communications in Apache resources.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Good to know! The mentor's vouching for it helps me a lot.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Quick question to the community: why is there no way to download
> > releases
> > >>>> of the software that are linked from the
> > http://eagle.incubator.apache.
> > >>>> org/ ?
> > >>>> Is GitHub being treated as the way to distribute it?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >>>> Roman.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
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> > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >
> >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by Hao Chen <ha...@apache.org>.
Thanks Taylor and others for the suggestions, and here are some fixes as
following:
- Add download link in home page [1]
- Fix git link to apache git-wip-us repository in eagle download page [2]
- Add signatures (md5,asm, sha1) [3] and verification KEYS [4]
[1] http://eagle.incubator.apache.org
[2] http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/docs/download-latest.html
[3]
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/eagle/apache-eagle-0.4.0-incubating/
[4] https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/eagle/KEYS
- Hao
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 1:34 AM, P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The main download page [1] is a little off, but shouldn’t be terribly hard
> to fix.
>
> - The main download link correctly uses closer.cgi, but is missing links
> to dist.a.o for the signatures/checksums and instructions on how to verify
> the archive.
> - The release notes link correctly links to git-wip-us.a.o.
> - The git tag link incorrectly links to GitHub. It should link to the ASF
> git repository.
> - The git commit link also incorrectly links to GitHub.
>
> The last two aren’t required and could be removed or simply changed to
> point to the right place.
>
> The signatures/checksums are in the right place on dist.a.o [2] so adding
> links to them is fairly trivial. I’d also just change the GitHub link on
> the home to be a download link.
>
> I would think the above issues could be addressed before the graduation
> discussion completes. Post graduation I’d recommend a thorough review of
> the website from an ASF branding perspective.
>
> -Taylor
>
>
> [1] http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/docs/download-0.4.0.html <
> http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/docs/download-0.4.0.html>
> [2] https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/eagle/
> apache-eagle-0.4.0-incubating/
>
>
> > On Dec 7, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Looking a the home page http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/ <
> http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/> I think that Eagle should make
> Apache branding clearer for people who do not scroll down past the fold,
> remove the prominent GitHub link, and add a “Download” button to a standard
> download page with instructions on check-sums.
> >
> > I will make sure that this happens immediately after graduation.
> >
> > Julian
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 7, 2016, at 4:30 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I believe this page is also relevant to what Stian's pointing out
> >> http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html#links
> >>
> >> I will say this line looks wrong on the page, and probably is missing a
> >> "not" - which would preclude pointing to github for downloads (I added
> the
> >> *not*)
> >>
> >> Artifacts which are not full official releases (for example, milestones,
> >> betas and alphas) may *not* be linked from the download page. Links to
> >> these artifacts should be removed in a timely fashion.
> >>
> >> It is a bit odd that your downloads page is not linked from the
> homepage,
> >> but it is available within the docs. But that's an optimization not a
> rule.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:16 AM Stian Soiland-Reyes <st...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> This download page does not fully comply with the ASF distribution
> policy,
> >>> which says there should also be a link to the signature and
> description of
> >>> how to check it:
> >>>
> >>> http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/docs/download-0.4.0.html
> >>>
> >>> http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html#distribution_dist
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Is a direct link from front page to an ( implicitly "endorsed"?)
> >>> third-party site GitHub (and no link to ASF downloads) OK according to
> >>> policy? I would have included a traditional Download link - it's OK for
> >>> that page to include both the source code and Maven coordinates, but I
> >>> don't think we should encourage downstream to "download from GitHub" at
> >>> this stage as it conflates what is a PMC-voted ASF release or not.
> >>>
> >>> On 6 Dec 2016 11:22 pm, "Roman Shaposhnik" <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Henry Saputra <
> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> HI Roman, John,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Most of the mentors have full plate to do and especially need to help
> >>>>> existing podling to be successful in incubator.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Taylor has been very gracious to stay as initial member of PMCs, so
> >>>>> we have 1 ASF member, which I think good enough and will be seed to
> >>>>> invite more Apache Eagle PMCs to be ASF member.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Other than that, I don't the the current members should have good
> >>>>> level of diversity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you looked at Apache Geode when it proposed for graduation, it has
> >>>>> 22 PMCs from Pivotal only one or two from different orgs.
> >>>>
> >>>> The majority of podlings that come as projects from a single vendor
> >>>> struggle
> >>>> with PMC diversity. But this gives them even more of a reason to come
> up
> >>>> with creative ways to mitigate it. This is exactly what Geode had to
> >>> think
> >>>> about
> >>>> and I hope Eagle will think about as well.
> >>>>
> >>>>> ALL mentors in Eagle believe that the community have been operating
> in
> >>>>> the Apache way, create releases, invite new committers, and follow
> all
> >>>>> communications in Apache resources.
> >>>>
> >>>> Good to know! The mentor's vouching for it helps me a lot.
> >>>>
> >>>> Quick question to the community: why is there no way to download
> releases
> >>>> of the software that are linked from the
> http://eagle.incubator.apache.
> >>>> org/ ?
> >>>> Is GitHub being treated as the way to distribute it?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Roman.
> >>>>
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by "P. Taylor Goetz" <pt...@gmail.com>.
The main download page [1] is a little off, but shouldn’t be terribly hard to fix.
- The main download link correctly uses closer.cgi, but is missing links to dist.a.o for the signatures/checksums and instructions on how to verify the archive.
- The release notes link correctly links to git-wip-us.a.o.
- The git tag link incorrectly links to GitHub. It should link to the ASF git repository.
- The git commit link also incorrectly links to GitHub.
The last two aren’t required and could be removed or simply changed to point to the right place.
The signatures/checksums are in the right place on dist.a.o [2] so adding links to them is fairly trivial. I’d also just change the GitHub link on the home to be a download link.
I would think the above issues could be addressed before the graduation discussion completes. Post graduation I’d recommend a thorough review of the website from an ASF branding perspective.
-Taylor
[1] http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/docs/download-0.4.0.html <http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/docs/download-0.4.0.html>
[2] https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/eagle/apache-eagle-0.4.0-incubating/
> On Dec 7, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Looking a the home page http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/ <http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/> I think that Eagle should make Apache branding clearer for people who do not scroll down past the fold, remove the prominent GitHub link, and add a “Download” button to a standard download page with instructions on check-sums.
>
> I will make sure that this happens immediately after graduation.
>
> Julian
>
>
>
>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 4:30 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I believe this page is also relevant to what Stian's pointing out
>> http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html#links
>>
>> I will say this line looks wrong on the page, and probably is missing a
>> "not" - which would preclude pointing to github for downloads (I added the
>> *not*)
>>
>> Artifacts which are not full official releases (for example, milestones,
>> betas and alphas) may *not* be linked from the download page. Links to
>> these artifacts should be removed in a timely fashion.
>>
>> It is a bit odd that your downloads page is not linked from the homepage,
>> but it is available within the docs. But that's an optimization not a rule.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:16 AM Stian Soiland-Reyes <st...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> This download page does not fully comply with the ASF distribution policy,
>>> which says there should also be a link to the signature and description of
>>> how to check it:
>>>
>>> http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/docs/download-0.4.0.html
>>>
>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html#distribution_dist
>>>
>>>
>>> Is a direct link from front page to an ( implicitly "endorsed"?)
>>> third-party site GitHub (and no link to ASF downloads) OK according to
>>> policy? I would have included a traditional Download link - it's OK for
>>> that page to include both the source code and Maven coordinates, but I
>>> don't think we should encourage downstream to "download from GitHub" at
>>> this stage as it conflates what is a PMC-voted ASF release or not.
>>>
>>> On 6 Dec 2016 11:22 pm, "Roman Shaposhnik" <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> HI Roman, John,
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of the mentors have full plate to do and especially need to help
>>>>> existing podling to be successful in incubator.
>>>>>
>>>>> Taylor has been very gracious to stay as initial member of PMCs, so
>>>>> we have 1 ASF member, which I think good enough and will be seed to
>>>>> invite more Apache Eagle PMCs to be ASF member.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other than that, I don't the the current members should have good
>>>>> level of diversity.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you looked at Apache Geode when it proposed for graduation, it has
>>>>> 22 PMCs from Pivotal only one or two from different orgs.
>>>>
>>>> The majority of podlings that come as projects from a single vendor
>>>> struggle
>>>> with PMC diversity. But this gives them even more of a reason to come up
>>>> with creative ways to mitigate it. This is exactly what Geode had to
>>> think
>>>> about
>>>> and I hope Eagle will think about as well.
>>>>
>>>>> ALL mentors in Eagle believe that the community have been operating in
>>>>> the Apache way, create releases, invite new committers, and follow all
>>>>> communications in Apache resources.
>>>>
>>>> Good to know! The mentor's vouching for it helps me a lot.
>>>>
>>>> Quick question to the community: why is there no way to download releases
>>>> of the software that are linked from the http://eagle.incubator.apache.
>>>> org/ ?
>>>> Is GitHub being treated as the way to distribute it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Roman.
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>.
Looking a the home page http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/ <http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/> I think that Eagle should make Apache branding clearer for people who do not scroll down past the fold, remove the prominent GitHub link, and add a “Download” button to a standard download page with instructions on check-sums.
I will make sure that this happens immediately after graduation.
Julian
> On Dec 7, 2016, at 4:30 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I believe this page is also relevant to what Stian's pointing out
> http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html#links
>
> I will say this line looks wrong on the page, and probably is missing a
> "not" - which would preclude pointing to github for downloads (I added the
> *not*)
>
> Artifacts which are not full official releases (for example, milestones,
> betas and alphas) may *not* be linked from the download page. Links to
> these artifacts should be removed in a timely fashion.
>
> It is a bit odd that your downloads page is not linked from the homepage,
> but it is available within the docs. But that's an optimization not a rule.
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:16 AM Stian Soiland-Reyes <st...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> This download page does not fully comply with the ASF distribution policy,
>> which says there should also be a link to the signature and description of
>> how to check it:
>>
>> http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/docs/download-0.4.0.html
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html#distribution_dist
>>
>>
>> Is a direct link from front page to an ( implicitly "endorsed"?)
>> third-party site GitHub (and no link to ASF downloads) OK according to
>> policy? I would have included a traditional Download link - it's OK for
>> that page to include both the source code and Maven coordinates, but I
>> don't think we should encourage downstream to "download from GitHub" at
>> this stage as it conflates what is a PMC-voted ASF release or not.
>>
>> On 6 Dec 2016 11:22 pm, "Roman Shaposhnik" <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> HI Roman, John,
>>>>
>>>> Most of the mentors have full plate to do and especially need to help
>>>> existing podling to be successful in incubator.
>>>>
>>>> Taylor has been very gracious to stay as initial member of PMCs, so
>>>> we have 1 ASF member, which I think good enough and will be seed to
>>>> invite more Apache Eagle PMCs to be ASF member.
>>>>
>>>> Other than that, I don't the the current members should have good
>>>> level of diversity.
>>>>
>>>> If you looked at Apache Geode when it proposed for graduation, it has
>>>> 22 PMCs from Pivotal only one or two from different orgs.
>>>
>>> The majority of podlings that come as projects from a single vendor
>>> struggle
>>> with PMC diversity. But this gives them even more of a reason to come up
>>> with creative ways to mitigate it. This is exactly what Geode had to
>> think
>>> about
>>> and I hope Eagle will think about as well.
>>>
>>>> ALL mentors in Eagle believe that the community have been operating in
>>>> the Apache way, create releases, invite new committers, and follow all
>>>> communications in Apache resources.
>>>
>>> Good to know! The mentor's vouching for it helps me a lot.
>>>
>>> Quick question to the community: why is there no way to download releases
>>> of the software that are linked from the http://eagle.incubator.apache.
>>> org/ ?
>>> Is GitHub being treated as the way to distribute it?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roman.
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
I believe this page is also relevant to what Stian's pointing out
http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html#links
I will say this line looks wrong on the page, and probably is missing a
"not" - which would preclude pointing to github for downloads (I added the
*not*)
Artifacts which are not full official releases (for example, milestones,
betas and alphas) may *not* be linked from the download page. Links to
these artifacts should be removed in a timely fashion.
It is a bit odd that your downloads page is not linked from the homepage,
but it is available within the docs. But that's an optimization not a rule.
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:16 AM Stian Soiland-Reyes <st...@apache.org> wrote:
> This download page does not fully comply with the ASF distribution policy,
> which says there should also be a link to the signature and description of
> how to check it:
>
> http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/docs/download-0.4.0.html
>
> http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html#distribution_dist
>
>
> Is a direct link from front page to an ( implicitly "endorsed"?)
> third-party site GitHub (and no link to ASF downloads) OK according to
> policy? I would have included a traditional Download link - it's OK for
> that page to include both the source code and Maven coordinates, but I
> don't think we should encourage downstream to "download from GitHub" at
> this stage as it conflates what is a PMC-voted ASF release or not.
>
> On 6 Dec 2016 11:22 pm, "Roman Shaposhnik" <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > HI Roman, John,
> > >
> > > Most of the mentors have full plate to do and especially need to help
> > > existing podling to be successful in incubator.
> > >
> > > Taylor has been very gracious to stay as initial member of PMCs, so
> > > we have 1 ASF member, which I think good enough and will be seed to
> > > invite more Apache Eagle PMCs to be ASF member.
> > >
> > > Other than that, I don't the the current members should have good
> > > level of diversity.
> > >
> > > If you looked at Apache Geode when it proposed for graduation, it has
> > > 22 PMCs from Pivotal only one or two from different orgs.
> >
> > The majority of podlings that come as projects from a single vendor
> > struggle
> > with PMC diversity. But this gives them even more of a reason to come up
> > with creative ways to mitigate it. This is exactly what Geode had to
> think
> > about
> > and I hope Eagle will think about as well.
> >
> > > ALL mentors in Eagle believe that the community have been operating in
> > > the Apache way, create releases, invite new committers, and follow all
> > > communications in Apache resources.
> >
> > Good to know! The mentor's vouching for it helps me a lot.
> >
> > Quick question to the community: why is there no way to download releases
> > of the software that are linked from the http://eagle.incubator.apache.
> > org/ ?
> > Is GitHub being treated as the way to distribute it?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by Stian Soiland-Reyes <st...@apache.org>.
This download page does not fully comply with the ASF distribution policy,
which says there should also be a link to the signature and description of
how to check it:
http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/docs/download-0.4.0.html
http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html#distribution_dist
Is a direct link from front page to an ( implicitly "endorsed"?)
third-party site GitHub (and no link to ASF downloads) OK according to
policy? I would have included a traditional Download link - it's OK for
that page to include both the source code and Maven coordinates, but I
don't think we should encourage downstream to "download from GitHub" at
this stage as it conflates what is a PMC-voted ASF release or not.
On 6 Dec 2016 11:22 pm, "Roman Shaposhnik" <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > HI Roman, John,
> >
> > Most of the mentors have full plate to do and especially need to help
> > existing podling to be successful in incubator.
> >
> > Taylor has been very gracious to stay as initial member of PMCs, so
> > we have 1 ASF member, which I think good enough and will be seed to
> > invite more Apache Eagle PMCs to be ASF member.
> >
> > Other than that, I don't the the current members should have good
> > level of diversity.
> >
> > If you looked at Apache Geode when it proposed for graduation, it has
> > 22 PMCs from Pivotal only one or two from different orgs.
>
> The majority of podlings that come as projects from a single vendor
> struggle
> with PMC diversity. But this gives them even more of a reason to come up
> with creative ways to mitigate it. This is exactly what Geode had to think
> about
> and I hope Eagle will think about as well.
>
> > ALL mentors in Eagle believe that the community have been operating in
> > the Apache way, create releases, invite new committers, and follow all
> > communications in Apache resources.
>
> Good to know! The mentor's vouching for it helps me a lot.
>
> Quick question to the community: why is there no way to download releases
> of the software that are linked from the http://eagle.incubator.apache.
> org/ ?
> Is GitHub being treated as the way to distribute it?
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> HI Roman, John,
>
> Most of the mentors have full plate to do and especially need to help
> existing podling to be successful in incubator.
>
> Taylor has been very gracious to stay as initial member of PMCs, so
> we have 1 ASF member, which I think good enough and will be seed to
> invite more Apache Eagle PMCs to be ASF member.
>
> Other than that, I don't the the current members should have good
> level of diversity.
>
> If you looked at Apache Geode when it proposed for graduation, it has
> 22 PMCs from Pivotal only one or two from different orgs.
The majority of podlings that come as projects from a single vendor struggle
with PMC diversity. But this gives them even more of a reason to come up
with creative ways to mitigate it. This is exactly what Geode had to think about
and I hope Eagle will think about as well.
> ALL mentors in Eagle believe that the community have been operating in
> the Apache way, create releases, invite new committers, and follow all
> communications in Apache resources.
Good to know! The mentor's vouching for it helps me a lot.
Quick question to the community: why is there no way to download releases
of the software that are linked from the http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/ ?
Is GitHub being treated as the way to distribute it?
Thanks,
Roman.
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>.
HI Roman, John,
Most of the mentors have full plate to do and especially need to help
existing podling to be successful in incubator.
Taylor has been very gracious to stay as initial member of PMCs, so
we have 1 ASF member, which I think good enough and will be seed to
invite more Apache Eagle PMCs to be ASF member.
Other than that, I don't the the current members should have good
level of diversity.
If you looked at Apache Geode when it proposed for graduation, it has
22 PMCs from Pivotal only one or two from different orgs.
ALL mentors in Eagle believe that the community have been operating in
the Apache way, create releases, invite new committers, and follow all
communications in Apache resources.
- Henry
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 2:51 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 5:47 PM Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Sure, Roman.
>>> >
>>> > The company affiliations for proposed PMCs are as follows.
>>> >
>>> > * Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org> ebay
>>> > * Hao Chen <ha...@apache.org> ebay
>>> > * Qingwen Zhao <qi...@apache.org> ebay
>>> > * Jilin Jiang <ji...@apache.org> yhd.com
>>> > * Ralph Su <ra...@apache.org> ebay
>>> > * Jinhu Wu <ji...@apache.org> ebay
>>> > * Daniel Zhou <da...@apache.org> dataguise
>>> > * Kumar Senthil <senthilec566@apache.org <
>>> http://senthilec566.apache.org/>>
>>> > ebay
>>> > * Dendukuri Hemanth <hd...@apache.org> ebay
>>> > * Wu Michael <mw...@apache.org> ebay
>>> > * Manoharan Arun <ar...@apache.org> adobe
>>> > * Gupta Chaitali <cg...@apache.org> ebay
>>> > * Libin Sun <li...@apache.org> paypal
>>> > * P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@apache.org> hortonworks (mentor and ASF
>>> member)
>>>
>>> Thanks! FWIW: I'm a bit concerned about EBay having a significant dominance
>>> on the PMC AND having just a single ASF member there. Each one of those
>>> separately would be manageable, but a combination makes me a tad worried.
>>> Nothing that would warrant -1 yet, but I'd like to dig a little deeper.
>>>
>>> If you don't mind, can you please talk a little bit more about each PMC
>>> member's
>>> experience with ASF (what other projects they are in, etc.) and open
>>> source in
>>> general?
>>>
>>
>>
>> In addition, there are 5 mentors listed on the podling. Only Taylor wants
>> to continue on?
>>
>> Mentors hsaputra Henry Saputra
>> . omalley Owen O'Malley
>> . jhyde Julian Hyde
>> . ptgoetz P. Taylor Goetz
>> . amareshwari Amareshwari Sriramadasu
>
> Right! And to state the obvious: if, lets say, Owen and Julian can be
> persuaded to
> stay on the PMC to keep an eye on the project for at least a year or
> so -- that'd
> help me a great deal towards casting +1 on the graduation thread.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 2:51 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 5:47 PM Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > Sure, Roman.
>> >
>> > The company affiliations for proposed PMCs are as follows.
>> >
>> > * Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org> ebay
>> > * Hao Chen <ha...@apache.org> ebay
>> > * Qingwen Zhao <qi...@apache.org> ebay
>> > * Jilin Jiang <ji...@apache.org> yhd.com
>> > * Ralph Su <ra...@apache.org> ebay
>> > * Jinhu Wu <ji...@apache.org> ebay
>> > * Daniel Zhou <da...@apache.org> dataguise
>> > * Kumar Senthil <senthilec566@apache.org <
>> http://senthilec566.apache.org/>>
>> > ebay
>> > * Dendukuri Hemanth <hd...@apache.org> ebay
>> > * Wu Michael <mw...@apache.org> ebay
>> > * Manoharan Arun <ar...@apache.org> adobe
>> > * Gupta Chaitali <cg...@apache.org> ebay
>> > * Libin Sun <li...@apache.org> paypal
>> > * P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@apache.org> hortonworks (mentor and ASF
>> member)
>>
>> Thanks! FWIW: I'm a bit concerned about EBay having a significant dominance
>> on the PMC AND having just a single ASF member there. Each one of those
>> separately would be manageable, but a combination makes me a tad worried.
>> Nothing that would warrant -1 yet, but I'd like to dig a little deeper.
>>
>> If you don't mind, can you please talk a little bit more about each PMC
>> member's
>> experience with ASF (what other projects they are in, etc.) and open
>> source in
>> general?
>>
>
>
> In addition, there are 5 mentors listed on the podling. Only Taylor wants
> to continue on?
>
> Mentors hsaputra Henry Saputra
> . omalley Owen O'Malley
> . jhyde Julian Hyde
> . ptgoetz P. Taylor Goetz
> . amareshwari Amareshwari Sriramadasu
Right! And to state the obvious: if, lets say, Owen and Julian can be
persuaded to
stay on the PMC to keep an eye on the project for at least a year or
so -- that'd
help me a great deal towards casting +1 on the graduation thread.
Thanks,
Roman.
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 5:47 PM Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > Sure, Roman.
> >
> > The company affiliations for proposed PMCs are as follows.
> >
> > * Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org> ebay
> > * Hao Chen <ha...@apache.org> ebay
> > * Qingwen Zhao <qi...@apache.org> ebay
> > * Jilin Jiang <ji...@apache.org> yhd.com
> > * Ralph Su <ra...@apache.org> ebay
> > * Jinhu Wu <ji...@apache.org> ebay
> > * Daniel Zhou <da...@apache.org> dataguise
> > * Kumar Senthil <senthilec566@apache.org <
> http://senthilec566.apache.org/>>
> > ebay
> > * Dendukuri Hemanth <hd...@apache.org> ebay
> > * Wu Michael <mw...@apache.org> ebay
> > * Manoharan Arun <ar...@apache.org> adobe
> > * Gupta Chaitali <cg...@apache.org> ebay
> > * Libin Sun <li...@apache.org> paypal
> > * P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@apache.org> hortonworks (mentor and ASF
> member)
>
> Thanks! FWIW: I'm a bit concerned about EBay having a significant dominance
> on the PMC AND having just a single ASF member there. Each one of those
> separately would be manageable, but a combination makes me a tad worried.
> Nothing that would warrant -1 yet, but I'd like to dig a little deeper.
>
> If you don't mind, can you please talk a little bit more about each PMC
> member's
> experience with ASF (what other projects they are in, etc.) and open
> source in
> general?
>
In addition, there are 5 mentors listed on the podling. Only Taylor wants
to continue on?
Mentors hsaputra Henry Saputra
. omalley Owen O'Malley
. jhyde Julian Hyde
. ptgoetz P. Taylor Goetz
. amareshwari Amareshwari Sriramadasu
There was a pretty full house on sign offs last month from the mentors.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
> Sure, Roman.
>
> The company affiliations for proposed PMCs are as follows.
>
> * Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org> ebay
> * Hao Chen <ha...@apache.org> ebay
> * Qingwen Zhao <qi...@apache.org> ebay
> * Jilin Jiang <ji...@apache.org> yhd.com
> * Ralph Su <ra...@apache.org> ebay
> * Jinhu Wu <ji...@apache.org> ebay
> * Daniel Zhou <da...@apache.org> dataguise
> * Kumar Senthil <senthilec566@apache.org <http://senthilec566.apache.org/>>
> ebay
> * Dendukuri Hemanth <hd...@apache.org> ebay
> * Wu Michael <mw...@apache.org> ebay
> * Manoharan Arun <ar...@apache.org> adobe
> * Gupta Chaitali <cg...@apache.org> ebay
> * Libin Sun <li...@apache.org> paypal
> * P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@apache.org> hortonworks (mentor and ASF member)
Thanks! FWIW: I'm a bit concerned about EBay having a significant dominance
on the PMC AND having just a single ASF member there. Each one of those
separately would be manageable, but a combination makes me a tad worried.
Nothing that would warrant -1 yet, but I'd like to dig a little deeper.
If you don't mind, can you please talk a little bit more about each PMC member's
experience with ASF (what other projects they are in, etc.) and open source in
general?
Thanks,
Roman.
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org>.
Sure, Roman.
The company affiliations for proposed PMCs are as follows.
* Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org> ebay
* Hao Chen <ha...@apache.org> ebay
* Qingwen Zhao <qi...@apache.org> ebay
* Jilin Jiang <ji...@apache.org> yhd.com
* Ralph Su <ra...@apache.org> ebay
* Jinhu Wu <ji...@apache.org> ebay
* Daniel Zhou <da...@apache.org> dataguise
* Kumar Senthil <senthilec566@apache.org <http://senthilec566.apache.org/>>
ebay
* Dendukuri Hemanth <hd...@apache.org> ebay
* Wu Michael <mw...@apache.org> ebay
* Manoharan Arun <ar...@apache.org> adobe
* Gupta Chaitali <cg...@apache.org> ebay
* Libin Sun <li...@apache.org> paypal
* P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@apache.org> hortonworks (mentor and ASF member)
Thanks
Edward
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:
> Hi!
>
> the usual question from my end: can you please provide current corporate
> affiliations of your proposed PMC members and also indicated who (if
> anybody)
> on the PMC happens to be ASF member (aside from ptgoetz).
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Apache Eagle started incubation in October last year. With the whole
> year's
> > tireless efforts, this podling has made great progress in delivering
> useful
> > and complete features in monitoring large Apache Hadoop clusters, being
> > open to grow community, and operating the project in Apache way.
> >
> > Today with great support from our mentors and Eagle community[1][2], I
> > would like bring the discussion of graduating Apache Eagle to top level
> > project with proposed resolution below.
> >
> > The Apache Eagle community has discussed graduation for some time and
> > prepared maturity self-assessment [3]. Also here I want to list all the
> > facts that Eagle community has achieved during incubation so far.
> >
> >> Key features and framework improvement
> > In feature wise, Apache Eagle expands from supporting HDFS audit log
> > monitoring at the beginning to a complete spectrum of monitoring
> features,
> > e.g. Apache Hadoop JMX metrics, Yarn applications, Job performance,
> Cluster
> > resource usage etc.
> >
> > In order for supporting numerous use cases in monitoring large Apache
> > Hadoop clusters, Apache Eagle also delivered framework artifacts to make
> > integrating new monitoring application very easy. The framework artifacts
> > include stream based CEP alert engine, monitoring application lifecycle
> > management framework and flexible query language backed by Apache HBase.
> >
> >> Releases
> > 2 formal releases were finished and now 0.5 release which is important
> > milestone is in baking staging and will be out soon.
> >
> >> Community growth and product adoptions.
> > 5 new committers from different companies joined Apache Eagle as
> committer
> > since incubation. Now totally Apache Eagle has 14 committers. Also we are
> > glad to see that some companies have deployed Apache Eagle as monitoring
> > solution for Apache Hadoop clusters.
> >
> >> Development activities
> > 700 + pull requests from 20 individual contributors, 800+ JIRA tickets
> > (resolved ~600). Community has been continuously active.
> >
> >> Conferences
> > We attended many conferences e.g. Hadoop summit, Strata+Hadoop world,
> QCon
> > etc. to evangelize Apache Eagle's ability in monitoring large Apache
> Hadoop
> > clusters and learn how to improve.
> >
> > Now we are going to propose the following board resolution for graduating
> > to top level project.
> >
> >
> > Resolution:
> >
> > Establish the Apache Eagle Project
> >
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> >
> > interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> >
> > Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> >
> > Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> >
> > open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the
> >
> > public, related to a distributed monitoring solution for identifying
> > security and performance issues in real time on big data platforms,
> > including Apache Hadoop and Apache Spark etc.
> >
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> >
> > Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Eagle Project",
> >
> > be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> >
> > Foundation; and be it further
> >
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache Eagle Project be and hereby is
> >
> > responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
> >
> > related to a distributed monitoring solution for identifying security and
> > performance issues in real time on big data platforms, including Apache
> > Hadoop and Apache Spark etc.;
> >
> > and be it further
> >
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Eagle" be
> >
> > and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> >
> > serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> >
> > of the Apache Eagle Project, and to have primary responsibility
> >
> > for management of the projects within the scope of
> >
> > responsibility of the Apache Eagle Project; and be it further
> >
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> >
> > hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> >
> > Apache Eagle Project:
> >
> >
> > * Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org>
> >
> > * Hao Chen <ha...@apache.org>
> >
> > * Qingwen Zhao <qi...@apache.org>
> >
> > * Jilin Jiang <ji...@apache.org>
> >
> > * Ralph Su <ra...@apache.org>
> >
> > * Jinhu Wu <ji...@apache.org>
> >
> > * Daniel Zhou <da...@apache.org>
> >
> > * Kumar Senthil <senthilec566.apache.org>
> >
> > * Dendukuri Hemanth <hd...@apache.org>
> >
> > * Wu Michael <mw...@apache.org>
> >
> > * Manoharan Arun <ar...@apache.org>
> >
> > * Gupta Chaitali <cg...@apache.org>
> >
> > * Libin Sun <li...@apache.org>
> >
> > * P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@apache.org>
> >
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Edward Zhang
> >
> > be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Eagle, to
> >
> > serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> >
> > Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> >
> > death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> >
> > or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> >
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Eagle PMC be and hereby is
> >
> > tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> >
> > encourage open development and increased participation in the
> >
> > Apache Eagle Project; and be it further
> >
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache Eagle Project be and hereby
> >
> > is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> >
> > Incubator Eagle podling; and be it further
> >
> >
> > RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> >
> > Incubator Eagle podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> >
> > Project are hereafter discharged.
> >
> >
> > [1] http://markmail.org/thread/eznd2kfei3mxbzxg
> > [2] http://apache.markmail.org/thread/s2yegpmxf3g7fa34
> > [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/EAG/Eagle+Podli
> > ng+Maturity+Assessment
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating Apache Eagle
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
Hi!
the usual question from my end: can you please provide current corporate
affiliations of your proposed PMC members and also indicated who (if anybody)
on the PMC happens to be ASF member (aside from ptgoetz).
Thanks,
Roman.
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Apache Eagle started incubation in October last year. With the whole year's
> tireless efforts, this podling has made great progress in delivering useful
> and complete features in monitoring large Apache Hadoop clusters, being
> open to grow community, and operating the project in Apache way.
>
> Today with great support from our mentors and Eagle community[1][2], I
> would like bring the discussion of graduating Apache Eagle to top level
> project with proposed resolution below.
>
> The Apache Eagle community has discussed graduation for some time and
> prepared maturity self-assessment [3]. Also here I want to list all the
> facts that Eagle community has achieved during incubation so far.
>
>> Key features and framework improvement
> In feature wise, Apache Eagle expands from supporting HDFS audit log
> monitoring at the beginning to a complete spectrum of monitoring features,
> e.g. Apache Hadoop JMX metrics, Yarn applications, Job performance, Cluster
> resource usage etc.
>
> In order for supporting numerous use cases in monitoring large Apache
> Hadoop clusters, Apache Eagle also delivered framework artifacts to make
> integrating new monitoring application very easy. The framework artifacts
> include stream based CEP alert engine, monitoring application lifecycle
> management framework and flexible query language backed by Apache HBase.
>
>> Releases
> 2 formal releases were finished and now 0.5 release which is important
> milestone is in baking staging and will be out soon.
>
>> Community growth and product adoptions.
> 5 new committers from different companies joined Apache Eagle as committer
> since incubation. Now totally Apache Eagle has 14 committers. Also we are
> glad to see that some companies have deployed Apache Eagle as monitoring
> solution for Apache Hadoop clusters.
>
>> Development activities
> 700 + pull requests from 20 individual contributors, 800+ JIRA tickets
> (resolved ~600). Community has been continuously active.
>
>> Conferences
> We attended many conferences e.g. Hadoop summit, Strata+Hadoop world, QCon
> etc. to evangelize Apache Eagle's ability in monitoring large Apache Hadoop
> clusters and learn how to improve.
>
> Now we are going to propose the following board resolution for graduating
> to top level project.
>
>
> Resolution:
>
> Establish the Apache Eagle Project
>
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>
> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the
>
> public, related to a distributed monitoring solution for identifying
> security and performance issues in real time on big data platforms,
> including Apache Hadoop and Apache Spark etc.
>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Eagle Project",
>
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>
> Foundation; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Eagle Project be and hereby is
>
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>
> related to a distributed monitoring solution for identifying security and
> performance issues in real time on big data platforms, including Apache
> Hadoop and Apache Spark etc.;
>
> and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Eagle" be
>
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>
> of the Apache Eagle Project, and to have primary responsibility
>
> for management of the projects within the scope of
>
> responsibility of the Apache Eagle Project; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>
> Apache Eagle Project:
>
>
> * Edward Zhang <yo...@apache.org>
>
> * Hao Chen <ha...@apache.org>
>
> * Qingwen Zhao <qi...@apache.org>
>
> * Jilin Jiang <ji...@apache.org>
>
> * Ralph Su <ra...@apache.org>
>
> * Jinhu Wu <ji...@apache.org>
>
> * Daniel Zhou <da...@apache.org>
>
> * Kumar Senthil <senthilec566.apache.org>
>
> * Dendukuri Hemanth <hd...@apache.org>
>
> * Wu Michael <mw...@apache.org>
>
> * Manoharan Arun <ar...@apache.org>
>
> * Gupta Chaitali <cg...@apache.org>
>
> * Libin Sun <li...@apache.org>
>
> * P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@apache.org>
>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Edward Zhang
>
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Eagle, to
>
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Eagle PMC be and hereby is
>
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
>
> Apache Eagle Project; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Eagle Project be and hereby
>
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>
> Incubator Eagle podling; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>
> Incubator Eagle podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
>
> [1] http://markmail.org/thread/eznd2kfei3mxbzxg
> [2] http://apache.markmail.org/thread/s2yegpmxf3g7fa34
> [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/EAG/Eagle+Podli
> ng+Maturity+Assessment
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