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Posted to marketing@cloudstack.apache.org by "Bradshaw, Debbie (Debbie)" <de...@alcatel-lucent.com> on 2013/07/24 18:39:26 UTC
Permission to use the Apache Cloud Stack Logo on CloudBand
Ecosystem Progra
We use CloudStack APIs in our CloudBand Product. We recently launched a new NFV ecosystem community at http://ecosystem.cloud-band.com we would like your permission to use the Apache CloudStack Logo, in our platform partners section on the home page?
Thank you,
Debbie
Debbie Bradshaw
Networks & Platforms Marketing
CloudBand Business Unit
M: 949.412.7766
debbie.bradshaw@alcatel-lucent.com
Re: Permission to use the Apache Cloud Stack Logo on CloudBand
Ecosystem Progra
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:12:08PM -0400, David Nalley wrote:
> Hi Debbie:
>
> Thanks for sending the email.
>
> I am adding trademarks@apache.org to the conversation.
I think this only went to marketing@.
Fixing now.
>
> Please note the mixing of public and private lists.
>
> --David
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Bradshaw, Debbie (Debbie)
> <de...@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
> >
> > We use CloudStack APIs in our CloudBand Product. We recently launched a new NFV ecosystem community at http://ecosystem.cloud-band.com we would like your permission to use the Apache CloudStack Logo, in our platform partners section on the home page?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Debbie
> >
> > Debbie Bradshaw
> > Networks & Platforms Marketing
> > CloudBand Business Unit
> > M: 949.412.7766
> > debbie.bradshaw@alcatel-lucent.com
>
Re: Permission to use the Apache Cloud Stack Logo on CloudBand
Ecosystem Progra
Posted by David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>.
Hi Debbie:
Thanks for sending the email.
I am adding trademarks@apache.org to the conversation.
Please note the mixing of public and private lists.
--David
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Bradshaw, Debbie (Debbie)
<de...@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
>
> We use CloudStack APIs in our CloudBand Product. We recently launched a new NFV ecosystem community at http://ecosystem.cloud-band.com we would like your permission to use the Apache CloudStack Logo, in our platform partners section on the home page?
>
> Thank you,
> Debbie
>
> Debbie Bradshaw
> Networks & Platforms Marketing
> CloudBand Business Unit
> M: 949.412.7766
> debbie.bradshaw@alcatel-lucent.com
Re: Permission to use the Apache Cloud Stack Logo on CloudBand
Ecosystem Progra
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
If they are referencing their use of / integration with Apache
CloudStack, there really shouldn't be a problem with this at all.
-chip
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 01:47:39PM +0000, Mathias Mullins wrote:
> So Giles, I see you point as well, but then what value does the CloudStack name have then in their or any other EcoSystem? Is it just a place card that says they can work with Apache CloudStack, or is it a label that means that there is a true connection and function between these two entities?
>
> I really would love to see A-L be a part of CloudStack just like Solidfire, Cisco, F5 and yes even Citrix have done. I think we have a lot of work on that side of the community and participation. But I also want to see the CloudStack logo not end up like others in the space and just thrown on every website everywhere because they can call our APIs.
>
> I thought of a quality over a quantity approach has served groups like Apache better from what I've seen in the past and understood about the mission.
>
> Either way looks like it's underway.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> On Jul 24, 2013, at 2:01 PM, "Giles Sirett" <gi...@shapeblue.com>> wrote:
>
> Matt
> (All IMO)
>
> I see where you're coming from, but I disagree. I think we should be welcome in vendors who are doing ANY form of integration with Cloudstack and doing what we can to support them in telling the world that theyre using Cloudstack
>
> If these guys want to list ASC as a technology they're using: that's great IMO
>
> Obviously , we would all prefer to find vendors that make code contributions from the outset, but if folk don't then I still think it's a good thing that they've chosen Cloudstack and can get involved on some level or another. (an the guys calling the API today *may* start to write some code tomorrow)
>
>
> Debbie, the trademark guidelines are here
> http://cloudstack.apache.org/trademark-guidelines.html
>
> I've just noticed David has already sent your mail on to Trademarks@
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
> Giles
>
> D: +44 20 3603 0541 | M: +44 796 111 2055
> Giles.Sirett@shapeblue.com<ma...@shapeblue.com>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mathias Mullins [mailto:mathias.mullins@citrix.com]
> Sent: 24 July 2013 17:57
> To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Permission to use the Apache Cloud Stack Logo on CloudBand Ecosystem Progra
>
> Debbie,
>
> Does your product just make calls to the CloudStack API, or does it have actual code interaction and function with CloudStack? If it's just calling the API, it doesn't seem to really be part of the EcoSystem rather than having full integration into the product. We have several products that are fully integrated with code plug-ins and code contributions that have been done.
>
> Just not sure if there is an actual ecosystem interaction if it's just calling the product rather than fully interfacing with it.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
>
>
> On 7/24/13 12:39 PM, "Bradshaw, Debbie (Debbie)"
> <de...@alcatel-lucent.com>> wrote:
>
>
> We use CloudStack APIs in our CloudBand Product. We recently launched a
> new NFV ecosystem community at http://ecosystem.cloud-band.com we would
> like your permission to use the Apache CloudStack Logo, in our platform
> partners section on the home page?
>
> Thank you,
> Debbie
>
> Debbie Bradshaw
> Networks & Platforms Marketing
> CloudBand Business Unit
> M: 949.412.7766
> debbie.bradshaw@alcatel-lucent.com<ma...@alcatel-lucent.com>
>
> This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
Re: Permission to use the Apache Cloud Stack Logo on CloudBand
Ecosystem Progra
Posted by Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>.
So Giles, I see you point as well, but then what value does the CloudStack name have then in their or any other EcoSystem? Is it just a place card that says they can work with Apache CloudStack, or is it a label that means that there is a true connection and function between these two entities?
I really would love to see A-L be a part of CloudStack just like Solidfire, Cisco, F5 and yes even Citrix have done. I think we have a lot of work on that side of the community and participation. But I also want to see the CloudStack logo not end up like others in the space and just thrown on every website everywhere because they can call our APIs.
I thought of a quality over a quantity approach has served groups like Apache better from what I've seen in the past and understood about the mission.
Either way looks like it's underway.
Thanks,
Matt
On Jul 24, 2013, at 2:01 PM, "Giles Sirett" <gi...@shapeblue.com>> wrote:
Matt
(All IMO)
I see where you're coming from, but I disagree. I think we should be welcome in vendors who are doing ANY form of integration with Cloudstack and doing what we can to support them in telling the world that theyre using Cloudstack
If these guys want to list ASC as a technology they're using: that's great IMO
Obviously , we would all prefer to find vendors that make code contributions from the outset, but if folk don't then I still think it's a good thing that they've chosen Cloudstack and can get involved on some level or another. (an the guys calling the API today *may* start to write some code tomorrow)
Debbie, the trademark guidelines are here
http://cloudstack.apache.org/trademark-guidelines.html
I've just noticed David has already sent your mail on to Trademarks@
Kind Regards
Giles
D: +44 20 3603 0541 | M: +44 796 111 2055
Giles.Sirett@shapeblue.com<ma...@shapeblue.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: Mathias Mullins [mailto:mathias.mullins@citrix.com]
Sent: 24 July 2013 17:57
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Permission to use the Apache Cloud Stack Logo on CloudBand Ecosystem Progra
Debbie,
Does your product just make calls to the CloudStack API, or does it have actual code interaction and function with CloudStack? If it's just calling the API, it doesn't seem to really be part of the EcoSystem rather than having full integration into the product. We have several products that are fully integrated with code plug-ins and code contributions that have been done.
Just not sure if there is an actual ecosystem interaction if it's just calling the product rather than fully interfacing with it.
Thanks,
Matt
On 7/24/13 12:39 PM, "Bradshaw, Debbie (Debbie)"
<de...@alcatel-lucent.com>> wrote:
We use CloudStack APIs in our CloudBand Product. We recently launched a
new NFV ecosystem community at http://ecosystem.cloud-band.com we would
like your permission to use the Apache CloudStack Logo, in our platform
partners section on the home page?
Thank you,
Debbie
Debbie Bradshaw
Networks & Platforms Marketing
CloudBand Business Unit
M: 949.412.7766
debbie.bradshaw@alcatel-lucent.com<ma...@alcatel-lucent.com>
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RE: Permission to use the Apache Cloud Stack Logo on CloudBand
Ecosystem Progra
Posted by Giles Sirett <gi...@shapeblue.com>.
Matt
(All IMO)
I see where you're coming from, but I disagree. I think we should be welcoming vendors who are doing ANY form of integration with Cloudstack and doing what we can to support them in telling the world that theyre using Cloudstack
If these guys want to list ASC as a technology they're using: that's great IMO
Obviously , we would all prefer to find vendors that make code contributions from the outset, but if folk don't then I still think it's a good thing that they've chosen Cloudstack and can get involved on some level or another. (an the guys calling the API today *may* start to write some code tomorrow)
Debbie, the trademark guidelines are here
http://cloudstack.apache.org/trademark-guidelines.html
I've just noticed David has already sent your mail on to Trademarks@
Kind Regards
Giles
D: +44 20 3603 0541 | M: +44 796 111 2055
Giles.Sirett@shapeblue.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Mathias Mullins [mailto:mathias.mullins@citrix.com]
Sent: 24 July 2013 17:57
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Permission to use the Apache Cloud Stack Logo on CloudBand Ecosystem Progra
Debbie,
Does your product just make calls to the CloudStack API, or does it have actual code interaction and function with CloudStack? If it's just calling the API, it doesn't seem to really be part of the EcoSystem rather than having full integration into the product. We have several products that are fully integrated with code plug-ins and code contributions that have been done.
Just not sure if there is an actual ecosystem interaction if it's just calling the product rather than fully interfacing with it.
Thanks,
Matt
On 7/24/13 12:39 PM, "Bradshaw, Debbie (Debbie)"
<de...@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
>
>We use CloudStack APIs in our CloudBand Product. We recently launched a
>new NFV ecosystem community at http://ecosystem.cloud-band.com we would
>like your permission to use the Apache CloudStack Logo, in our platform
>partners section on the home page?
>
>Thank you,
>Debbie
>
>Debbie Bradshaw
>Networks & Platforms Marketing
>CloudBand Business Unit
>M: 949.412.7766
>debbie.bradshaw@alcatel-lucent.com
This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
Re: Permission to use the Apache Cloud Stack Logo on CloudBand
Ecosystem Progra
Posted by Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>.
Debbie,
Does your product just make calls to the CloudStack API, or does it have
actual code interaction and function with CloudStack? If it's just calling
the API, it doesn't seem to really be part of the EcoSystem rather than
having full integration into the product. We have several products that
are fully integrated with code plug-ins and code contributions that have
been done.
Just not sure if there is an actual ecosystem interaction if it's just
calling the product rather than fully interfacing with it.
Thanks,
Matt
On 7/24/13 12:39 PM, "Bradshaw, Debbie (Debbie)"
<de...@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
>
>We use CloudStack APIs in our CloudBand Product. We recently launched a
>new NFV ecosystem community at http://ecosystem.cloud-band.com we would
>like your permission to use the Apache CloudStack Logo, in our platform
>partners section on the home page?
>
>Thank you,
>Debbie
>
>Debbie Bradshaw
>Networks & Platforms Marketing
>CloudBand Business Unit
>M: 949.412.7766
>debbie.bradshaw@alcatel-lucent.com
Re: Permission to use the Apache Cloud Stack Logo on CloudBand Ecosystem
Progra
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
Thanks Chip for the excellent summary. The Apache Software Foundation
(ASF) and it's projects like the Apache CloudStack project are always
happy when third parties wish to make note of the various Apache
software products that you use in your solutions. However we need to
ensure that Apache brands are respected in the ways that Chip outlined
below.
From a brief look at your website, I would imagine that use of the
Apache Cloudstack logo or name as a mention of the software you use or
integrate with would be appropriate, much like I see your statement in
your CloudBand product page that goes: "...in addition, Alcatel-Lucent
utilizes Apache CloudStack® in the CloudBand Management System, and
supports the Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud™ (EC2)."
However as Chip notes, listing Apache CloudStack as a "partner" or
"Vendor" working with your project is not appropriate.
For some background information, I suggest also reading the below in
conjunction with the links Chip provided, which provides some important
rationale for Apache branding. We are happy to have people talk about
Apache software products, however we need to ensure that end users and
the general public understand Apache projects themselves are built
independently from vendors:
http://community.apache.org/projectIndependence.html
- Shane Curcuru
VP, Brand Management
The Apache Software Foundation
On 7/25/13 10:00 AM, Chip Childers wrote:
> (note mixed public / private lists)
>
> Debbie,
>
> Thanks for asking. I've cc'ed the ASF trademarks list for their input
> and / or clarification to anything I say below.
>
> It's important to note that the project itself can't be a "partner" with
> any organizations. As that page stands today, I think it would be confusing
> to include the Apache CloudStack logo in a list of partners. Perhaps
> the use of the mark would be more appropriately listed as a "technical
> integration" option or something similar. You are, of course, welcome
> to reference the project as something you support / like / whatnot
> (assuming you comply with our trademark usage policies).
>
> That being said, the relevant policies that explain what you can and
> can't do with the logo on a website are here:
>
> http://cloudstack.apache.org/trademark-guidelines.html
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>
> The first is Apache CloudStack specific, while the second is the
> official ASF-wide policy.
>
> trademarks@ folks, have I stated things accurately?
>
> -chip
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 04:39:26PM +0000, Bradshaw, Debbie (Debbie) wrote:
>>
>> We use CloudStack APIs in our CloudBand Product. We recently launched a new NFV ecosystem community at http://ecosystem.cloud-band.com we would like your permission to use the Apache CloudStack Logo, in our platform partners section on the home page?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Debbie
>>
>> Debbie Bradshaw
>> Networks & Platforms Marketing
>> CloudBand Business Unit
>> M: 949.412.7766
>> debbie.bradshaw@alcatel-lucent.com
Re: Permission to use the Apache Cloud Stack Logo on CloudBand
Ecosystem Progra
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@apache.org>.
(note mixed public / private lists)
Debbie,
Thanks for asking. I've cc'ed the ASF trademarks list for their input
and / or clarification to anything I say below.
It's important to note that the project itself can't be a "partner" with
any organizations. As that page stands today, I think it would be confusing
to include the Apache CloudStack logo in a list of partners. Perhaps
the use of the mark would be more appropriately listed as a "technical
integration" option or something similar. You are, of course, welcome
to reference the project as something you support / like / whatnot
(assuming you comply with our trademark usage policies).
That being said, the relevant policies that explain what you can and
can't do with the logo on a website are here:
http://cloudstack.apache.org/trademark-guidelines.html
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
The first is Apache CloudStack specific, while the second is the
official ASF-wide policy.
trademarks@ folks, have I stated things accurately?
-chip
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 04:39:26PM +0000, Bradshaw, Debbie (Debbie) wrote:
>
> We use CloudStack APIs in our CloudBand Product. We recently launched a new NFV ecosystem community at http://ecosystem.cloud-band.com we would like your permission to use the Apache CloudStack Logo, in our platform partners section on the home page?
>
> Thank you,
> Debbie
>
> Debbie Bradshaw
> Networks & Platforms Marketing
> CloudBand Business Unit
> M: 949.412.7766
> debbie.bradshaw@alcatel-lucent.com