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[DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
Looks likely that Tapestry will go TLP in the very near future.
Does HiveMind belong as a sub-project of Tapestry, rather than Jakarta?
I'm not sure of the specific advantages or disadvantages to HiveMind.
I don't see the PMC either aiding or restricting HiveMind at this
time, and its possible HiveMind could go for TLP status as well.
Discussion?
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Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
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Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
Posted by "Brian K. Wallace" <br...@transmorphix.com>.
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I would vote for moving outside of Tapestry. Doesn't really make much
sense to have an framework user (Tapestry) be a parent at the stage both
are at.
Can't comment on 'the chair', but I see James raised a hand. :-)
My $0.02
Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
> I think it is desirable to move out of Jakarta.
>
> However, we would need to identify someone to be the HiveMind chair.
> I got "suckered" into that for the Tapestry TLP. I'm simply stating
> the fact that I don't want the job (I have too many already). So we
> would need to identify someone how wants/is capable of being the chair
> for HiveMind as a prerequisite for even discussing a HiveMind TLP.
>
> It some ways, it would be easier to move HiveMind under the Tapestry
> TLP. It's not by pure chance that "all Tapestry's most rocking
> features derive from HiveMind".
>
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Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
Posted by "Brian K. Wallace" <br...@transmorphix.com>.
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Henri Yandell wrote:
> On 3/18/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'd be in favor of HiveMind as a TLP.
>>
>> With the move to Maven 2 builds (I'm working on that for HiveMind
>> right now), the hierarchical structure matters less. Maven makes
>> everything flat.
>>
>> The advantage of TLP is:
>> - Ability to apply coding and community standards across related
>> HiveMind projects
>> - Ability to scope individual developers to individual HiveMind sub projects
>
> Better communication between the developers and the foundation.
>
> *looks to James to kick off a vote*
>
> Hen
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lol - you know Henri - you have that way about you... ;-)
*looking to see where Hen's looking*
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Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
On 3/18/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd be in favor of HiveMind as a TLP.
>
> With the move to Maven 2 builds (I'm working on that for HiveMind
> right now), the hierarchical structure matters less. Maven makes
> everything flat.
>
> The advantage of TLP is:
> - Ability to apply coding and community standards across related
> HiveMind projects
> - Ability to scope individual developers to individual HiveMind sub projects
Better communication between the developers and the foundation.
*looks to James to kick off a vote*
Hen
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Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
I'd be in favor of HiveMind as a TLP.
With the move to Maven 2 builds (I'm working on that for HiveMind
right now), the hierarchical structure matters less. Maven makes
everything flat.
The advantage of TLP is:
- Ability to apply coding and community standards across related
HiveMind projects
- Ability to scope individual developers to individual HiveMind sub projects
Am I missing anything?
Moving HiveMind under Tapestry; really, moving HiveMind's sub-projects
under Tapestry as Tapestry sub-projects, would only have simplified
the buerocratic hassle. I think if we have a seperate chair for
HiveMind, and not the same person (ye gods!) then there's no reason to
move under Tapestry.
On 3/17/06, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> Well, with Hen's (and the rest of youg) help, I'm sure I can handle it. I'm
> willing to throw my hat in the ring. I really think HiveMind deserves to be
> a stand-alone project. So, should we go ahead and start a vote to move to
> TLP?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henri Yandell [mailto:flamefew@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 2:06 AM
> To: hivemind-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
>
> You have my +1 as a chair too.
>
> Jakarta is a very bad example of the role of a chair - umbrellas
> create a lot of bureacracy and I make the mistake of letting myself
> get sucked into it.
>
> Ideally the chair role is:
>
> 1) Organizing the move to TLP. Howard's going through this one at the
> moment. It's basically a set of infra requests and tasks. I'm
> semi-Infra nowadays, so can help move these things along if you nudge
> me. First off though: Have a vote to move to TLP, have 3 Jakarta PMC
> members on that vote, inform the PMC. Then write a resolution (copy
> Tapestry's) that I can submit to the board.
>
> 2) Subscribing to board@apache.org. As with any list it goes through
> ups and downs in terms of noise. Currently it's quite quiet.
>
> 3) Sending in a board report every three months (every month for the
> first three months). In the case of tight TLP, like
> hivemind.apache.org, this is an easy thing to do (I think). You know
> what's going on and you don't have to spend weeks chasing up on
> things, you just sit down and write it, let the PMC see the draft a
> little bit in advance and send it in. They're often about 6 lines
> long, not the behemoth that the Jakarta report is.
>
> It's really not that big a deal. I'll also be joining the pmc list
> (unless you'd prefer me not to) and can help out if you hit any
> issues.
>
> Hen
>
> On 3/16/06, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, I guess my reluctant hand-raise has been taken as a nomination.
> What
> > is involved in being a TLP chair?
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: Harish Krishnaswamy [mailto:harishkswamy@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:10 PM
> > To: hivemind-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I agree, other than the issue of finding a chair I can't see a reason for
> it
> > to be under Tapestry. I am sorry, currently I am scrambling for time and
> > with a baby on the way I don't think its going to get any better. I see
> > James has volunteered and fully support him +1.
> >
> > -Harish
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3/15/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think it is desirable to move out of Jakarta.
> >
> > However, we would need to identify someone to be the HiveMind chair.
> > I got "suckered" into that for the Tapestry TLP. I'm simply stating
> > the fact that I don't want the job (I have too many already). So we
> > would need to identify someone how wants/is capable of being the chair
> > for HiveMind as a prerequisite for even discussing a HiveMind TLP.
> >
> > It some ways, it would be easier to move HiveMind under the Tapestry
> > TLP. It's not by pure chance that "all Tapestry's most rocking
> > features derive from HiveMind".
> >
> > On 3/15/06, Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 3/14/06, Achim Hügen <ac...@gmx.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't regard hivemind as a tapestry subproject.
> > > > It's usable standalone and not targeted at tapestry and web
> > applications
> > > > only.
> > >
> > > That's fair.
> > > Having HiveMind as a TLP means more bureaucratic works so i guess the
> > > deal is if anyone would like to handle that, so my choice (at least as
> > > a first step) would be to be a Tapestry subproject rather then Jakarta
> > > ones.
> > >
> > > Indeed HiveMind live very well as a standalone framework, it's simply
> > > great, i think the most Tapestry's rocking features derive from having
> > > HiveMind inside.
> > >
> > > As always my 2 cents
> > > --
> > > Massimo
> > > http://meridio.blogspot.com
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Howard M. Lewis Ship
> > Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
> > Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
> > Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
> >
> > Professional Tapestry training, mentoring, support
> > and project work. http://howardlewisship.com
> >
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Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
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RE: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
Well, with Hen's (and the rest of youg) help, I'm sure I can handle it. I'm
willing to throw my hat in the ring. I really think HiveMind deserves to be
a stand-alone project. So, should we go ahead and start a vote to move to
TLP?
-----Original Message-----
From: Henri Yandell [mailto:flamefew@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 2:06 AM
To: hivemind-dev@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
You have my +1 as a chair too.
Jakarta is a very bad example of the role of a chair - umbrellas
create a lot of bureacracy and I make the mistake of letting myself
get sucked into it.
Ideally the chair role is:
1) Organizing the move to TLP. Howard's going through this one at the
moment. It's basically a set of infra requests and tasks. I'm
semi-Infra nowadays, so can help move these things along if you nudge
me. First off though: Have a vote to move to TLP, have 3 Jakarta PMC
members on that vote, inform the PMC. Then write a resolution (copy
Tapestry's) that I can submit to the board.
2) Subscribing to board@apache.org. As with any list it goes through
ups and downs in terms of noise. Currently it's quite quiet.
3) Sending in a board report every three months (every month for the
first three months). In the case of tight TLP, like
hivemind.apache.org, this is an easy thing to do (I think). You know
what's going on and you don't have to spend weeks chasing up on
things, you just sit down and write it, let the PMC see the draft a
little bit in advance and send it in. They're often about 6 lines
long, not the behemoth that the Jakarta report is.
It's really not that big a deal. I'll also be joining the pmc list
(unless you'd prefer me not to) and can help out if you hit any
issues.
Hen
On 3/16/06, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Well, I guess my reluctant hand-raise has been taken as a nomination.
What
> is involved in being a TLP chair?
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: Harish Krishnaswamy [mailto:harishkswamy@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:10 PM
> To: hivemind-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
>
>
>
>
> I agree, other than the issue of finding a chair I can't see a reason for
it
> to be under Tapestry. I am sorry, currently I am scrambling for time and
> with a baby on the way I don't think its going to get any better. I see
> James has volunteered and fully support him +1.
>
> -Harish
>
>
>
>
> On 3/15/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think it is desirable to move out of Jakarta.
>
> However, we would need to identify someone to be the HiveMind chair.
> I got "suckered" into that for the Tapestry TLP. I'm simply stating
> the fact that I don't want the job (I have too many already). So we
> would need to identify someone how wants/is capable of being the chair
> for HiveMind as a prerequisite for even discussing a HiveMind TLP.
>
> It some ways, it would be easier to move HiveMind under the Tapestry
> TLP. It's not by pure chance that "all Tapestry's most rocking
> features derive from HiveMind".
>
> On 3/15/06, Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 3/14/06, Achim Hügen <ac...@gmx.de> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't regard hivemind as a tapestry subproject.
> > > It's usable standalone and not targeted at tapestry and web
> applications
> > > only.
> >
> > That's fair.
> > Having HiveMind as a TLP means more bureaucratic works so i guess the
> > deal is if anyone would like to handle that, so my choice (at least as
> > a first step) would be to be a Tapestry subproject rather then Jakarta
> > ones.
> >
> > Indeed HiveMind live very well as a standalone framework, it's simply
> > great, i think the most Tapestry's rocking features derive from having
> > HiveMind inside.
> >
> > As always my 2 cents
> > --
> > Massimo
> > http://meridio.blogspot.com
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
> Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
> Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
> Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
>
> Professional Tapestry training, mentoring, support
> and project work. http://howardlewisship.com
>
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Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
You have my +1 as a chair too.
Jakarta is a very bad example of the role of a chair - umbrellas
create a lot of bureacracy and I make the mistake of letting myself
get sucked into it.
Ideally the chair role is:
1) Organizing the move to TLP. Howard's going through this one at the
moment. It's basically a set of infra requests and tasks. I'm
semi-Infra nowadays, so can help move these things along if you nudge
me. First off though: Have a vote to move to TLP, have 3 Jakarta PMC
members on that vote, inform the PMC. Then write a resolution (copy
Tapestry's) that I can submit to the board.
2) Subscribing to board@apache.org. As with any list it goes through
ups and downs in terms of noise. Currently it's quite quiet.
3) Sending in a board report every three months (every month for the
first three months). In the case of tight TLP, like
hivemind.apache.org, this is an easy thing to do (I think). You know
what's going on and you don't have to spend weeks chasing up on
things, you just sit down and write it, let the PMC see the draft a
little bit in advance and send it in. They're often about 6 lines
long, not the behemoth that the Jakarta report is.
It's really not that big a deal. I'll also be joining the pmc list
(unless you'd prefer me not to) and can help out if you hit any
issues.
Hen
On 3/16/06, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Well, I guess my reluctant hand-raise has been taken as a nomination. What
> is involved in being a TLP chair?
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: Harish Krishnaswamy [mailto:harishkswamy@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:10 PM
> To: hivemind-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
>
>
>
>
> I agree, other than the issue of finding a chair I can't see a reason for it
> to be under Tapestry. I am sorry, currently I am scrambling for time and
> with a baby on the way I don't think its going to get any better. I see
> James has volunteered and fully support him +1.
>
> -Harish
>
>
>
>
> On 3/15/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think it is desirable to move out of Jakarta.
>
> However, we would need to identify someone to be the HiveMind chair.
> I got "suckered" into that for the Tapestry TLP. I'm simply stating
> the fact that I don't want the job (I have too many already). So we
> would need to identify someone how wants/is capable of being the chair
> for HiveMind as a prerequisite for even discussing a HiveMind TLP.
>
> It some ways, it would be easier to move HiveMind under the Tapestry
> TLP. It's not by pure chance that "all Tapestry's most rocking
> features derive from HiveMind".
>
> On 3/15/06, Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 3/14/06, Achim Hügen <ac...@gmx.de> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't regard hivemind as a tapestry subproject.
> > > It's usable standalone and not targeted at tapestry and web
> applications
> > > only.
> >
> > That's fair.
> > Having HiveMind as a TLP means more bureaucratic works so i guess the
> > deal is if anyone would like to handle that, so my choice (at least as
> > a first step) would be to be a Tapestry subproject rather then Jakarta
> > ones.
> >
> > Indeed HiveMind live very well as a standalone framework, it's simply
> > great, i think the most Tapestry's rocking features derive from having
> > HiveMind inside.
> >
> > As always my 2 cents
> > --
> > Massimo
> > http://meridio.blogspot.com
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
> Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
> Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
> Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
>
> Professional Tapestry training, mentoring, support
> and project work. http://howardlewisship.com
>
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Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
Posted by Achim Hügen <ac...@gmx.de>.
My daughter is 5 weeks old now and I can tell you for sure that
it doesn't get any better ;-)
Achim
Am Fri, 17 Mar 2006 00:09:30 +0100 schrieb Harish Krishnaswamy
<ha...@gmail.com>:
> I agree, other than the issue of finding a chair I can't see a reason
> for it
> to be under Tapestry. I am sorry, currently I am scrambling for time and
> with a baby on the way I don't think its going to get any better. I see
> James has volunteered and fully support him +1.
>
> -Harish
>
>
> On 3/15/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think it is desirable to move out of Jakarta.
>>
>> However, we would need to identify someone to be the HiveMind chair.
>> I got "suckered" into that for the Tapestry TLP. I'm simply stating
>> the fact that I don't want the job (I have too many already). So we
>> would need to identify someone how wants/is capable of being the chair
>> for HiveMind as a prerequisite for even discussing a HiveMind TLP.
>>
>> It some ways, it would be easier to move HiveMind under the Tapestry
>> TLP. It's not by pure chance that "all Tapestry's most rocking
>> features derive from HiveMind".
>>
>> On 3/15/06, Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On 3/14/06, Achim Hügen <ac...@gmx.de> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I don't regard hivemind as a tapestry subproject.
>> > > It's usable standalone and not targeted at tapestry and web
>> applications
>> > > only.
>> >
>> > That's fair.
>> > Having HiveMind as a TLP means more bureaucratic works so i guess the
>> > deal is if anyone would like to handle that, so my choice (at least as
>> > a first step) would be to be a Tapestry subproject rather then Jakarta
>> > ones.
>> >
>> > Indeed HiveMind live very well as a standalone framework, it's simply
>> > great, i think the most Tapestry's rocking features derive from having
>> > HiveMind inside.
>> >
>> > As always my 2 cents
>> > --
>> > Massimo
>> > http://meridio.blogspot.com
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: hivemind-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org
>> > For additional commands, e-mail: hivemind-dev-help@jakarta.apache.org
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>> Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
>> Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
>> Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
>>
>> Professional Tapestry training, mentoring, support
>> and project work. http://howardlewisship.com
>>
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Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
Posted by "Brian K. Wallace" <br...@transmorphix.com>.
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You should know by now, there's no such thing as a "reluctant hand
raise" - what you used to know as such is now a whole-hearted
volunteering effort. Could have sworn I saw signs along the road with a
simple "James +1" written on them. :-D
James Carman wrote:
> Well, I guess my reluctant hand-raise has been taken as a nomination.
> What is involved in being a TLP chair?
>
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RE: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
Well, I guess my reluctant hand-raise has been taken as a nomination. What
is involved in being a TLP chair?
_____
From: Harish Krishnaswamy [mailto:harishkswamy@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
I agree, other than the issue of finding a chair I can't see a reason for it
to be under Tapestry. I am sorry, currently I am scrambling for time and
with a baby on the way I don't think its going to get any better. I see
James has volunteered and fully support him +1.
-Harish
On 3/15/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it is desirable to move out of Jakarta.
However, we would need to identify someone to be the HiveMind chair.
I got "suckered" into that for the Tapestry TLP. I'm simply stating
the fact that I don't want the job (I have too many already). So we
would need to identify someone how wants/is capable of being the chair
for HiveMind as a prerequisite for even discussing a HiveMind TLP.
It some ways, it would be easier to move HiveMind under the Tapestry
TLP. It's not by pure chance that "all Tapestry's most rocking
features derive from HiveMind".
On 3/15/06, Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/14/06, Achim Hügen <ac...@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> > I don't regard hivemind as a tapestry subproject.
> > It's usable standalone and not targeted at tapestry and web applications
> > only.
>
> That's fair.
> Having HiveMind as a TLP means more bureaucratic works so i guess the
> deal is if anyone would like to handle that, so my choice (at least as
> a first step) would be to be a Tapestry subproject rather then Jakarta
> ones.
>
> Indeed HiveMind live very well as a standalone framework, it's simply
> great, i think the most Tapestry's rocking features derive from having
> HiveMind inside.
>
> As always my 2 cents
> --
> Massimo
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Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
Posted by Harish Krishnaswamy <ha...@gmail.com>.
I agree, other than the issue of finding a chair I can't see a reason for it
to be under Tapestry. I am sorry, currently I am scrambling for time and
with a baby on the way I don't think its going to get any better. I see
James has volunteered and fully support him +1.
-Harish
On 3/15/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think it is desirable to move out of Jakarta.
>
> However, we would need to identify someone to be the HiveMind chair.
> I got "suckered" into that for the Tapestry TLP. I'm simply stating
> the fact that I don't want the job (I have too many already). So we
> would need to identify someone how wants/is capable of being the chair
> for HiveMind as a prerequisite for even discussing a HiveMind TLP.
>
> It some ways, it would be easier to move HiveMind under the Tapestry
> TLP. It's not by pure chance that "all Tapestry's most rocking
> features derive from HiveMind".
>
> On 3/15/06, Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 3/14/06, Achim Hügen <ac...@gmx.de> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't regard hivemind as a tapestry subproject.
> > > It's usable standalone and not targeted at tapestry and web
> applications
> > > only.
> >
> > That's fair.
> > Having HiveMind as a TLP means more bureaucratic works so i guess the
> > deal is if anyone would like to handle that, so my choice (at least as
> > a first step) would be to be a Tapestry subproject rather then Jakarta
> > ones.
> >
> > Indeed HiveMind live very well as a standalone framework, it's simply
> > great, i think the most Tapestry's rocking features derive from having
> > HiveMind inside.
> >
> > As always my 2 cents
> > --
> > Massimo
> > http://meridio.blogspot.com
> >
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>
>
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> Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
> Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
> Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
>
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Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
One of the reasons I describe HiveMind as a "healthier" community (*)
is the way people from outside Apache, even outside Open Source, have
migrated in.
(*) Not that Tapestry is unhealthy.
On 3/15/06, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> If I were more versed in the ways of ASF, I would volunteer, but I'm
> somewhat of a newbie. I don't know who else is interested, but if nobody
> else is, I will do it (if that's what it takes). HiveMind deserves to be
> its own project and not a Tapestry sub-project.
>
> > I think it is desirable to move out of Jakarta.
> >
> > However, we would need to identify someone to be the HiveMind chair.
> > I got "suckered" into that for the Tapestry TLP. I'm simply stating
> > the fact that I don't want the job (I have too many already). So we
> > would need to identify someone how wants/is capable of being the chair
> > for HiveMind as a prerequisite for even discussing a HiveMind TLP.
> >
> > It some ways, it would be easier to move HiveMind under the Tapestry
> > TLP. It's not by pure chance that "all Tapestry's most rocking
> > features derive from HiveMind".
> >
> > On 3/15/06, Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 3/14/06, Achim Hügen <ac...@gmx.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I don't regard hivemind as a tapestry subproject.
> >> > It's usable standalone and not targeted at tapestry and web
> >> applications
> >> > only.
> >>
> >> That's fair.
> >> Having HiveMind as a TLP means more bureaucratic works so i guess the
> >> deal is if anyone would like to handle that, so my choice (at least as
> >> a first step) would be to be a Tapestry subproject rather then Jakarta
> >> ones.
> >>
> >> Indeed HiveMind live very well as a standalone framework, it's simply
> >> great, i think the most Tapestry's rocking features derive from having
> >> HiveMind inside.
> >>
> >> As always my 2 cents
> >> --
> >> Massimo
> >> http://meridio.blogspot.com
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
> > Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
> >
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Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
Posted by Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com>.
On 3/16/06, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> If I were more versed in the ways of ASF, I would volunteer, but I'm
> somewhat of a newbie. I don't know who else is interested, but if nobody
> else is, I will do it (if that's what it takes). HiveMind deserves to be
> its own project and not a Tapestry sub-project.
If that is the case, it would be a +1 by me.
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Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
If I were more versed in the ways of ASF, I would volunteer, but I'm
somewhat of a newbie. I don't know who else is interested, but if nobody
else is, I will do it (if that's what it takes). HiveMind deserves to be
its own project and not a Tapestry sub-project.
> I think it is desirable to move out of Jakarta.
>
> However, we would need to identify someone to be the HiveMind chair.
> I got "suckered" into that for the Tapestry TLP. I'm simply stating
> the fact that I don't want the job (I have too many already). So we
> would need to identify someone how wants/is capable of being the chair
> for HiveMind as a prerequisite for even discussing a HiveMind TLP.
>
> It some ways, it would be easier to move HiveMind under the Tapestry
> TLP. It's not by pure chance that "all Tapestry's most rocking
> features derive from HiveMind".
>
> On 3/15/06, Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 3/14/06, Achim Hügen <ac...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>> > I don't regard hivemind as a tapestry subproject.
>> > It's usable standalone and not targeted at tapestry and web
>> applications
>> > only.
>>
>> That's fair.
>> Having HiveMind as a TLP means more bureaucratic works so i guess the
>> deal is if anyone would like to handle that, so my choice (at least as
>> a first step) would be to be a Tapestry subproject rather then Jakarta
>> ones.
>>
>> Indeed HiveMind live very well as a standalone framework, it's simply
>> great, i think the most Tapestry's rocking features derive from having
>> HiveMind inside.
>>
>> As always my 2 cents
>> --
>> Massimo
>> http://meridio.blogspot.com
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
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> Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
> Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
>
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Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
I think it is desirable to move out of Jakarta.
However, we would need to identify someone to be the HiveMind chair.
I got "suckered" into that for the Tapestry TLP. I'm simply stating
the fact that I don't want the job (I have too many already). So we
would need to identify someone how wants/is capable of being the chair
for HiveMind as a prerequisite for even discussing a HiveMind TLP.
It some ways, it would be easier to move HiveMind under the Tapestry
TLP. It's not by pure chance that "all Tapestry's most rocking
features derive from HiveMind".
On 3/15/06, Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/14/06, Achim Hügen <ac...@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> > I don't regard hivemind as a tapestry subproject.
> > It's usable standalone and not targeted at tapestry and web applications
> > only.
>
> That's fair.
> Having HiveMind as a TLP means more bureaucratic works so i guess the
> deal is if anyone would like to handle that, so my choice (at least as
> a first step) would be to be a Tapestry subproject rather then Jakarta
> ones.
>
> Indeed HiveMind live very well as a standalone framework, it's simply
> great, i think the most Tapestry's rocking features derive from having
> HiveMind inside.
>
> As always my 2 cents
> --
> Massimo
> http://meridio.blogspot.com
>
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Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
Posted by Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com>.
On 3/14/06, Achim Hügen <ac...@gmx.de> wrote:
> I don't regard hivemind as a tapestry subproject.
> It's usable standalone and not targeted at tapestry and web applications
> only.
That's fair.
Having HiveMind as a TLP means more bureaucratic works so i guess the
deal is if anyone would like to handle that, so my choice (at least as
a first step) would be to be a Tapestry subproject rather then Jakarta
ones.
Indeed HiveMind live very well as a standalone framework, it's simply
great, i think the most Tapestry's rocking features derive from having
HiveMind inside.
As always my 2 cents
--
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Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
Posted by Achim Hügen <ac...@gmx.de>.
I don't regard hivemind as a tapestry subproject.
It's usable standalone and not targeted at tapestry and web applications
only.
+1 for hivemind.apache.org
Achim Huegen
Am Mon, 13 Mar 2006 06:07:06 +0100 schrieb Henri Yandell
<fl...@gmail.com>:
> Any thoughts on this one? Tapestry has gone TLP (well, technically it
> has; the infrastructure has yet to reflect this as that takes time).
>
> tapestry.apache.org/hivemind?
>
> hivemind.apache.org?
>
> The latter would be a good idea I think.
>
> Hen
>
> On 2/5/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Looks likely that Tapestry will go TLP in the very near future.
>>
>> Does HiveMind belong as a sub-project of Tapestry, rather than Jakarta?
>>
>> I'm not sure of the specific advantages or disadvantages to HiveMind.
>> I don't see the PMC either aiding or restricting HiveMind at this
>> time, and its possible HiveMind could go for TLP status as well.
>>
>> Discussion?
>>
>> --
>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>> Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
>> Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
>> Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
>>
>> Professional Tapestry training, mentoring, support
>> and project work. http://howardlewisship.com
>>
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Re: [DICUSS] Move from Jakarta to Tapestry PMC?
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
Any thoughts on this one? Tapestry has gone TLP (well, technically it
has; the infrastructure has yet to reflect this as that takes time).
tapestry.apache.org/hivemind?
hivemind.apache.org?
The latter would be a good idea I think.
Hen
On 2/5/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looks likely that Tapestry will go TLP in the very near future.
>
> Does HiveMind belong as a sub-project of Tapestry, rather than Jakarta?
>
> I'm not sure of the specific advantages or disadvantages to HiveMind.
> I don't see the PMC either aiding or restricting HiveMind at this
> time, and its possible HiveMind could go for TLP status as well.
>
> Discussion?
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
> Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
> Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
> Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
>
> Professional Tapestry training, mentoring, support
> and project work. http://howardlewisship.com
>
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