Re: [SVN-DEV] Re: working.

["C. Scott Ananian" <ca...@lesser-magoo.lcs.mit.edu>]

On 22 Aug 2001, Ben Collins-Sussman wrote:

> gettext is GPLed, not LGPLed, so we can't use it.  Not unless we find
> a BSD-compatible replacement, or reinvent the wheel.  We've been over
> this bridge before.  :-)

I don't think this is right.  The gettext *standard* is Uniforum's.  It's
not related to GNU at all.  GNU have *an implementation* of gettext, with
some GPL'ed utilities to make it easier to generate PO files and such.
There's *also* an implementation (perhaps the same one) of gettext in
glibc.  THIS IMPLEMENTATION IS LGPL'ED.  Look at /usr/include/libintl.h on
your system, if you don't believe me.

And even if it wasn't, the 'info gettext' page says that many "standard"
Unices come with (at least partial) implementations of gettext.

I agree that 'catgets' is too painful for words.  But it is slightly more
"standard" Unix, as it's an X/OPEN standard.  POSIX declined to settle the
catgets/gettext dispute (remember, no FSF involved here) and so didn't
make either POSIX-standard (unfortunately).  Many unices end up with
both.  Supporting X/OPEN is really the only reason to prefer catgets.

Many programs chose to include the GNU 'gettext' package in their build
tree to ease portability to those platforms without a native 'gettext'.
SVN can't do that because the GNU 'gettext' is GPL'ed.  But that shouldn't
be too much of a problem.

Conclusion: use 'gettext' but don't include the GNU implementation in the
package.  Allow a non-localizable version to be compiled for people
without a gettext(3) function in their C library.
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p.s. i didn't know most of this stuff when I started writing this email,
or else i probably wouldn't have asked the question in the first place. =)

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Re: [SVN-DEV] Re: working.

[Ben Collins-Sussman <su...@collab.net>]

"C. Scott Ananian" <ca...@lesser-magoo.lcs.mit.edu> writes:

> On 22 Aug 2001, Ben Collins-Sussman wrote:
> 
> > gettext is GPLed, not LGPLed, so we can't use it.  Not unless we find
> > a BSD-compatible replacement, or reinvent the wheel.  We've been over
> > this bridge before.  :-)
> 
> I don't think this is right.  The gettext *standard* is Uniforum's.  It's
> not related to GNU at all.  GNU have *an implementation* of gettext, with
> some GPL'ed utilities to make it easier to generate PO files and such.
> There's *also* an implementation (perhaps the same one) of gettext in
> glibc.  THIS IMPLEMENTATION IS LGPL'ED.  Look at /usr/include/libintl.h on
> your system, if you don't believe me.

Well, I use FreeBSD, so I can't see.  :-)


> Conclusion: use 'gettext' but don't include the GNU implementation in the
> package.  Allow a non-localizable version to be compiled for people
> without a gettext(3) function in their C library.

Sounds good to me.

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