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Posted to dev@forrest.apache.org by g4 <ja...@root10.net> on 2003/08/11 11:32:34 UTC
more meta thoughts
Hi list, Hi Jeff.
Just had a look at Klarity (http://archive.klarity.com.au/), great
tool! What's stopping us from (eventually) including something like
this in Forrest (CMD) itself? Even if it were at it's simplest level I
think it could be a great feature. However how to achieve this might be
another issue, off hand AWK / NAWK comes to mind.
Anyway just thoughts ;)
Jason Lane
[MetaInfo] Proof of Concept
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
For what it's worth, Avalon Sandbox has some very generic code that supports
defining and supporting attributes, and is pretty good. It started out as
a proof of concept, and now the proof has been done. It needs some developers/
supporters and a home. If it is of interest to the Cocoon project, then perhaps
we can cooperate on the proper location to host this mini project where we can
all support it together.
I think that it has a simple goal, and a good implementation. Any comments
would be appreciated.
--
"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin
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[MetaInfo] Proof of Concept
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
For what it's worth, Avalon Sandbox has some very generic code that supports
defining and supporting attributes, and is pretty good. It started out as
a proof of concept, and now the proof has been done. It needs some developers/
supporters and a home. If it is of interest to the Cocoon project, then perhaps
we can cooperate on the proper location to host this mini project where we can
all support it together.
I think that it has a simple goal, and a good implementation. Any comments
would be appreciated.
--
"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin
[MetaInfo] Proof of Concept
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
For what it's worth, Avalon Sandbox has some very generic code that supports
defining and supporting attributes, and is pretty good. It started out as
a proof of concept, and now the proof has been done. It needs some developers/
supporters and a home. If it is of interest to the Cocoon project, then perhaps
we can cooperate on the proper location to host this mini project where we can
all support it together.
I think that it has a simple goal, and a good implementation. Any comments
would be appreciated.
--
"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin
Re: more meta thoughts
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@indexgeo.com.au>.
Jeff Turner wrote:
<snip/>
>
> FTR, that's what Klarity does -- some kind of clever semantic analysis of
> the site's contents, to generate a list of keywords for each page. Then
> the site can be indexed using something like isite[1], and search results
> will be much more relevant.
>
>
> --Jeff
>
> [1] http://www.cnidr.org/isite.html
That is an old URL ... here is the more recent stuff.
http://www.awcubed.com/ ... at the bottom of the page.
--David
Re: more meta thoughts
Posted by Jeff Turner <je...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 11:20:15AM +0100, g4 wrote:
>
> On Monday, Aug 11, 2003, at 17:38 Europe/London, Juan Jose Pablos wrote:
>
> >Jason,
> >I had a look to this software, I was not able to see the demo.
>
> If you go to the "try it" page you should see it.
>
> >
> >I have read the white paper. This sofware process documents and
> >created the meta information.
> >
> >What exactly do you want to incorporate into forrest even on the
> >simplest level?
>
> Sorry I don't know why I phrased it that way.
>
> >
> >Adding something like this is trivial:
>
> Yes I have this already working, although I have to write a dc2html
> XSL. I don't know if you seen my other post regarding metadata, that
> has examples of what I've been working on.
>
> The only thing that's missing from this is keyword generation. I have
> written a gawk script that's doing a regexp strip of xml and then a
> frequency count of words. Next I need to set up a list of common words
> to further filter potential key words. I was thinking this could be
> used at say ./forrest webapp to generate keywords from each page.
FTR, that's what Klarity does -- some kind of clever semantic analysis of
the site's contents, to generate a list of keywords for each page. Then
the site can be indexed using something like isite[1], and search results
will be much more relevant.
--Jeff
[1] http://www.cnidr.org/isite.html
> I'm doing this part really for my own curiosity. If you think it could
> be useful to generate keywords from content text, I'm working on it ;)
>
>
Re: more meta thoughts
Posted by g4 <ja...@root10.net>.
On Monday, Aug 11, 2003, at 17:38 Europe/London, Juan Jose Pablos wrote:
> Jason,
> I had a look to this software, I was not able to see the demo.
If you go to the "try it" page you should see it.
>
> I have read the white paper. This sofware process documents and
> created the meta information.
>
> What exactly do you want to incorporate into forrest even on the
> simplest level?
Sorry I don't know why I phrased it that way.
>
> Adding something like this is trivial:
Yes I have this already working, although I have to write a dc2html
XSL. I don't know if you seen my other post regarding metadata, that
has examples of what I've been working on.
The only thing that's missing from this is keyword generation. I have
written a gawk script that's doing a regexp strip of xml and then a
frequency count of words. Next I need to set up a list of common words
to further filter potential key words. I was thinking this could be
used at say ./forrest webapp to generate keywords from each page.
I'm doing this part really for my own curiosity. If you think it could
be useful to generate keywords from content text, I'm working on it ;)
>
>
> <link rel="schema.DC" href="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" />
> <meta name="DC.title" content="title " />
> <meta name="DC.subject" content="H1;H2;H3" />
> <meta name="DC.date" scheme="W3CDTF" content="2003-07-11" />
> <meta name="DC.type" scheme="DCMIType" content="Text" />
> <meta name="DC.format" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
> <meta name="DC.format" content="8081 bytes" />
> <meta name="DC.identifier" content="http://anyurl" />
>
> Cheers,
> Cheche
>
>
> g4 wrote:
>> Hi list, Hi Jeff.
>> Just had a look at Klarity (http://archive.klarity.com.au/), great
>> tool! What's stopping us from (eventually) including something like
>> this in Forrest (CMD) itself? Even if it were at it's simplest level
>> I think it could be a great feature. However how to achieve this
>> might be another issue, off hand AWK / NAWK comes to mind.
>> Anyway just thoughts ;)
>> Jason Lane
>
>
>
>
Jason Lane
Developer
Root10 developments
Re: more meta thoughts
Posted by Juan Jose Pablos <ch...@che-che.com>.
Jason,
I had a look to this software, I was not able to see the demo.
I have read the white paper. This sofware process documents and created
the meta information.
What exactly do you want to incorporate into forrest even on the
simplest level?
Adding something like this is trivial:
<link rel="schema.DC" href="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" />
<meta name="DC.title" content="title " />
<meta name="DC.subject" content="H1;H2;H3" />
<meta name="DC.date" scheme="W3CDTF" content="2003-07-11" />
<meta name="DC.type" scheme="DCMIType" content="Text" />
<meta name="DC.format" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
<meta name="DC.format" content="8081 bytes" />
<meta name="DC.identifier" content="http://anyurl" />
Cheers,
Cheche
g4 wrote:
> Hi list, Hi Jeff.
>
> Just had a look at Klarity (http://archive.klarity.com.au/), great
> tool! What's stopping us from (eventually) including something like
> this in Forrest (CMD) itself? Even if it were at it's simplest level I
> think it could be a great feature. However how to achieve this might be
> another issue, off hand AWK / NAWK comes to mind.
>
> Anyway just thoughts ;)
>
> Jason Lane