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Posted to dev@httpd.apache.org by Brian Behlendorf <br...@organic.com> on 1997/06/06 21:13:50 UTC
2.0 development in-person meeting
Now that 1.2 has been released, and thoughts on 1.2.x and 1.3 are percolating,
I'd like to propose a first-ever Apache developer's conference. Not some
1000-person gig at Moscone - I'm think a 15-20 person meeting where we can hash
out what's going to be in 2.0 and how we're going to architect it. Certainly a
lot of this can be accomplished via email, but I think we could make a lot more
progress in a short amount of time if we up the bandwidth by being face to
face.
The goal would be to leave that meeting with a firm concept of architecture,
development roles, and priorities.
I propose we hold this at the end of June/beginning of July. The issue of
"where" is certainly a tough one. I propose the Organic offices in San
Francisco, as we have a nice large meeting room I could easy reserve for a few
days, and a significant number of the apache developers are already out here on
the west coast, and we SF residents could probably offer accomodations as an
alternative to a hotel to keep total travel costs low.
This only makes sense, in my opinion, if the vast majority of core developers
can attend. The attendees at this meeting should be empowered to make
decisions the whole group can adhere too
What do y'all think? Let me throw out a proposed date: monday and tuesday the
30th of June and 1st of July. Maybe pushing up to Sunday or out to Wednesday
if required.
There is a lovely bar right next door where we can all, truly, buy each other a
beer. And for only $2 on Tuesdays!
Brian
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Re: 2.0 development in-person meeting
Posted by Chuck Murcko <ch...@topsail.org>.
Brian Behlendorf wrote:
>
> Now that 1.2 has been released, and thoughts on 1.2.x and 1.3 are percolating,
> I'd like to propose a first-ever Apache developer's conference. Not some
> 1000-person gig at Moscone - I'm think a 15-20 person meeting where we can hash
> out what's going to be in 2.0 and how we're going to architect it. Certainly a
> lot of this can be accomplished via email, but I think we could make a lot more
> progress in a short amount of time if we up the bandwidth by being face to
> face.
>
> The goal would be to leave that meeting with a firm concept of architecture,
> development roles, and priorities.
>
> I propose we hold this at the end of June/beginning of July. The issue of
> "where" is certainly a tough one. I propose the Organic offices in San
> Francisco, as we have a nice large meeting room I could easy reserve for a few
> days, and a significant number of the apache developers are already out here on
> the west coast, and we SF residents could probably offer accomodations as an
> alternative to a hotel to keep total travel costs low.
>
> This only makes sense, in my opinion, if the vast majority of core developers
> can attend. The attendees at this meeting should be empowered to make
> decisions the whole group can adhere too
>
> What do y'all think? Let me throw out a proposed date: monday and tuesday the
> 30th of June and 1st of July. Maybe pushing up to Sunday or out to Wednesday
> if required.
>
> There is a lovely bar right next door where we can all, truly, buy each other a
> beer. And for only $2 on Tuesdays!
>
What hotels are nearby, should we overflow your gracious hospitality?
--
chuck
Chuck Murcko
The Topsail Group, West Chester PA USA
chuck@topsail.org
Re: 2.0 development in-person meeting
Posted by Dean Gaudet <dg...@arctic.org>.
I was actually planning on flying to Toronto for the bianca on the road
bash (and to renew my working visa). That's on June 29th. I could be
convinced to change those plans though... I've been to many a bianca
bash... but I'd be missing out on july 1st partying, ah well.
I can host someone here, and chez gaudet has a dhcp-capable lan that's
isdn attached to the net.
Too bad there aren't many of us in Vegas, 'cause flights are usually
cheaper to there.
Dean
On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
>
> Now that 1.2 has been released, and thoughts on 1.2.x and 1.3 are percolating,
> I'd like to propose a first-ever Apache developer's conference. Not some
> 1000-person gig at Moscone - I'm think a 15-20 person meeting where we can hash
> out what's going to be in 2.0 and how we're going to architect it. Certainly a
> lot of this can be accomplished via email, but I think we could make a lot more
> progress in a short amount of time if we up the bandwidth by being face to
> face.
>
> The goal would be to leave that meeting with a firm concept of architecture,
> development roles, and priorities.
>
> I propose we hold this at the end of June/beginning of July. The issue of
> "where" is certainly a tough one. I propose the Organic offices in San
> Francisco, as we have a nice large meeting room I could easy reserve for a few
> days, and a significant number of the apache developers are already out here on
> the west coast, and we SF residents could probably offer accomodations as an
> alternative to a hotel to keep total travel costs low.
>
> This only makes sense, in my opinion, if the vast majority of core developers
> can attend. The attendees at this meeting should be empowered to make
> decisions the whole group can adhere too
>
> What do y'all think? Let me throw out a proposed date: monday and tuesday the
> 30th of June and 1st of July. Maybe pushing up to Sunday or out to Wednesday
> if required.
>
> There is a lovely bar right next door where we can all, truly, buy each other a
> beer. And for only $2 on Tuesdays!
>
> Brian
>
> --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--
> brian@organic.com www.apache.org hyperreal.com http://www.organic.com/JOBS
>
>
Re: 2.0 development in-person meeting
Posted by ra...@bellglobal.com.
> What do y'all think? Let me throw out a proposed date: monday and tuesday
> the 30th of June and 1st of July. Maybe pushing up to Sunday or out to
> Wednesday if required.
Tuesday July 1 is a holiday here in Canada and I am planning on taking
the Monday off anyway. This date sounds ideal to me. I can easily fly
out for this. I would probably need to catch the red-eye back Tuesday
night though, so if we need 3 days, I'd prefer starting Sunday.
-Rasmus
Re: 2.0 development in-person meeting
Posted by Chris Mason <cm...@ros.res.cmu.edu>.
On Sat, 7 Jun 1997 15:00:39 -0700 (PDT) akosut@nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us (Alexei
Kosut) wrote:
>So I think email may have to be the means that we figure this
>out. Heck, it's worked for everything else Apache's done in the past
>two years. We just need to figure out some clear vauge goals for
>Apache 2.0, assign people to oversee each of them, and do it.
Hi all. I'm new here and I was hoping I could help out with whatever needs
done. I've done some module programming, and in the process read a bunch
of the source, and I'm looking into more all the time. It'd be nice to
have a list of To-Dos (maybe this exists already, and I just couldn't find
it).
One thing I'd be interested in seeing done, and in working on for 2.0, is
remote configuration via http/https. This seems to be the one _feature_
that Apache lacks when compared with those other web servers. It may seem
a bit `cushy' for those of us (myself included) who really like unix, but I
think it would really broaden Apache's audience. I often hear complaints
from people scared off by Apache's config files.
I can think of two ways to do it. The first would be to have a separate
server (single process maybe) that sits on a high numbered port which would
translate config files into HTML forms. Then when recieving the forms
back, it would rewrite the config files and then HUP the main server. This
doesn't seem all that difficult to write (probably a week, if you put in
lots of nice interface things), and would easily accommodate using secure
sockets for authentication/encryption (as security would obviously be a
concern). It seems this could be a seperate `product' from Apache.
The other way would envolve actually changing the in core configuration
structures dynamically (and then respawning the child processes). It seems
this would seem to require an API addition, allowing configuration to be
_subtracted_ from a module, and/or a way of letting a module interact with
the configuring user. Obviously, it might not be possible to do some
things without completely restarting the server. I'm not sure how this
would change the config file. If I had my way, I guess I'd want access to
both the web interface and the config file. But it might be nice to move
the configuration process completely over to something `in-band.' This
would make Apache both more approachable for new-comers, and quite possibly
more powerful for those of us who don't have a lot of time to spend
configuring our web servers.
Does anyone know anything about how `those other servers' do it? Any
opinions on how this _should_ be done? (It seems to me the second way is
cleaner, but more difficult to implement.)
Again, this is something I'd be very interested in working on /
spear-heading.
Keep up the great work, and congrats on 1.2.
-c
BTW, I have a (somewhat hacked-together) directory indexing module at
<http://ros.res.cmu.edu/mod_olgadir/>, which seems (at least on my poor
machine) to be faster, and to have a different feature set than the
built-in one. If anyone has any comments on the code, wants to use it,
etc., I'd be most pleased.
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|Chris Mason - cmason@cmu.edu cmason@nyx.net http://ros.res.cmu.edu |
|"You can always count on a murderer for a fancy prose style."-Nabokov|
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Re: in-person meeting
Posted by Marc Slemko <ma...@worldgate.com>.
I would certainly be interested, but am doubtful as to if I could actually
make it. Although the distance isn't that bad (from Edmonton, Alberta)
fares tend to be more than I like.
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
>
> Alright, so maybe 2.0's design can't wait for an in-person meeting to
> which a majority of us can attend. Are people interested in an
> in-person meeting in the near future anyways? There will no doubt be
> things we can cover, I doubt we'll have 2.0 final before fall anyways.
> And we need to buy each other beer.
>
> Brian
>
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>
>
Re: in-person meeting
Posted by ra...@bellglobal.com.
> Alright, so maybe 2.0's design can't wait for an in-person meeting to
> which a majority of us can attend. Are people interested in an
> in-person meeting in the near future anyways? There will no doubt be
> things we can cover, I doubt we'll have 2.0 final before fall anyways.
> And we need to buy each other beer.
I think it is a good idea. Then again, I don't need much of an excuse to
go back to San Fran.
-Rasmus
Re: in-person meeting
Posted by Brian Behlendorf <br...@organic.com>.
Alright, so maybe 2.0's design can't wait for an in-person meeting to
which a majority of us can attend. Are people interested in an
in-person meeting in the near future anyways? There will no doubt be
things we can cover, I doubt we'll have 2.0 final before fall anyways.
And we need to buy each other beer.
Brian
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Re: 2.0 development in-person meeting
Posted by Alexei Kosut <ak...@nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us>.
On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
Brian, I don't know what editor you're using for your email, but could
you tell it to wrap your lines at a column less than 80? It's annoying
having to reformat mail so that the > marks can be inserted and the
lines don't overflow.
> Now that 1.2 has been released, and thoughts on 1.2.x and 1.3 are
> percolating, I'd like to propose a first-ever Apache developer's
> conference. Not some 1000-person gig at Moscone - I'm think a 15-20
> person meeting where we can hash out what's going to be in 2.0 and how
> we're going to architect it. Certainly a lot of this can be
> accomplished via email, but I think we could make a lot more progress
> in a short amount of time if we up the bandwidth by being face to
> face.
While this is probably a good idea, I think it's not going to
work. It's obvious that most people can't make the date, or the
place. If the purpose of the conference is to work out Apache 2.0, it
really doesn't make any sense to postpone it until late August (as has
been suggested), since that means that we can't do any work on 2.0
until then.
So I think email may have to be the means that we figure this
out. Heck, it's worked for everything else Apache's done in the past
two years. We just need to figure out some clear vauge goals for
Apache 2.0, assign people to oversee each of them, and do it.
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URL: http://www.nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us/~akosut/ http://www.apache.org/