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Posted to general@jakarta.apache.org by Rob Oxspring <ro...@apache.org> on 2002/11/29 16:37:00 UTC

Newsletter - Request for content

Hello again,

We're very nearly done with another month so it's time to pester people about the newsletter again.  As usual, I've cc'd those that
submitted content last month in the hope that they will either submit something again, or manage to persuade someone else to take
over writing for the November issue.

If anybody else fancies doing a write up of the progress in some Jakarta project it then please send it in.  For a inspiration on
content and style you can review previous entries at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/, although new styles and ideas are welcome
too.

Planned timescale:
Submissions sent to me by midnight Monday 2-Dec-2002.
Drafts will be posted on Tuesday and Wednesday as needed for alterations and last minuters.
Final copy sent out on announcements@jakarta.apache.org midday 5-Nov-2002
All times GMT.

Thanks,

Rob


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Re: Newsletter - Request for content

Posted by Erik Hatcher <ja...@ehatchersolutions.com>.
I was mostly off-line over the Thanksgiving weekend and have been caught 
up with lots of other miscellaneous tasks when I did get some computer 
time.  I'm not going to be able to submit an Ant posting this time, sorry.

	Erik


Rob Oxspring wrote:
> Hello again,
> 
> We're very nearly done with another month so it's time to pester people about the newsletter again.  As usual, I've cc'd those that
> submitted content last month in the hope that they will either submit something again, or manage to persuade someone else to take
> over writing for the November issue.
> 
> If anybody else fancies doing a write up of the progress in some Jakarta project it then please send it in.  For a inspiration on
> content and style you can review previous entries at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/, although new styles and ideas are welcome
> too.
> 
> Planned timescale:
> Submissions sent to me by midnight Monday 2-Dec-2002.
> Drafts will be posted on Tuesday and Wednesday as needed for alterations and last minuters.
> Final copy sent out on announcements@jakarta.apache.org midday 5-Nov-2002
> All times GMT.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
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Re: Newsletter - Request for content

Posted by James Strachan <ja...@yahoo.co.uk>.
From: "Henri Yandell" <ba...@generationjava.com>
> Sorry for the lateness Rob. Tbh I've been completely in holiday mood and
> have been relaxing. I'll Cc to the Commons mail list and let anyone there
> correct me/add to it [if someone does, make sure to include Rob in the
> email].

Here are the main changes that have happened recently on the Jelly
project...

* XPath sorting now added to the XML library

* <j:useBean> can now construct beans with constructor parameters

* better reporting of JellyUnit failures, line numbers, expressions etc.

* XMLUnit library added for unit testing of XML inside JellyUnit

So now JellyUnit can support the following XML unit testing constructs

* XPath based assertions via <test:assert xpath="..."/>
* schema validation via the jelly:validate library, testing XML against
DTDs, XML Schema, RelaxNG etc
* comparing 2 documents for equality using the new XMLUnit library
* performing XSLT on some XML and then then performing any of the above
* parsing HTML via the Neko parser and treating it as XML in any of the
above

As well as Jexl based assertions, assertEquals and a new <assertThrown> tag
to test for exceptions being thrown in Jelly scripts.

James
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Re: Newsletter - Request for content

Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
Sorry for the lateness Rob. Tbh I've been completely in holiday mood and
have been relaxing. I'll Cc to the Commons mail list and let anyone there
correct me/add to it [if someone does, make sure to include Rob in the
email].

 -----------

--Releases--

November saw the release of two new projects from Jakarta Commons, and the
release of a bugfix for another project.

Commons Validator 1.0 was mentioned in the previous newsletter. It was
released on November 1st and is a validation framework from the Struts
people.

Commons CLI 1.0 was released on the 6th of November and is an API for
parsing command line arguments. It is the direct descendant of 3 older
argument parsing APIs and other APIs have affected it over mail list
discussions. This gives it a very high pedigree and makes it a great
choice for handling the command line.

Commons Lang 1.0.1 is the first bugfix release for the Lang project. There
are no new APIs or deprecated functionalities, so all Commons Lang users
are advised to upgrade, although the bugfixes are not earth-shattering.

http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-commons/release/commons-validator/v1.0/RELEASE-NOTES.txt
http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-commons/release/commons-cli/v1.0/RELEASE-NOTES.txt
http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-commons/release/commons-lang/v1.0.1/RELEASE-NOTES.txt

--Gossip--

November was quiet for Commons, as it was for all of Apache. Indeed, the
Commons mail list dropped by 35%.

The Patterns project in the Sandbox has been mothballed as its code is to
go into Commons Lang and Commons Util. Work has begun on moving the
BeanUtils reflection code over to Commons Lang and various BeanUtils bugs
were dealt with.

A new database utility project has been proposed with generic JDBC(tm)
utilities and lives under the name of 'DbUtils' in the sandbox and a
project named 'attributes' has been proposed to handle runtime
metadata attributes.


http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/attributes/

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<end>

Obviously I only really put what I remember from the month and reading the
mail list again. Jelly had lots of work, but I've no clue what as it's
mainly commits.

If there have been any articles, [Not the 2 Digester ones and 1 Lang ones,
they were last month] then they'd be useful too.

Hen

On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Rob Oxspring wrote:

> Hello again,
>
> We're very nearly done with another month so it's time to pester
> people about the newsletter again.  As usual, I've cc'd those that
> submitted content last month in the hope that they will either submit
> something again, or manage to persuade someone else to take over
> writing for the November issue.
>
> If anybody else fancies doing a write up of the progress in some
> Jakarta project it then please send it in.  For a inspiration on
> content and style you can review previous entries at
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/, although new styles and ideas
> are welcome too.
>
> Planned timescale: Submissions sent to me by midnight Monday
> 2-Dec-2002. Drafts will be posted on Tuesday and Wednesday as needed
> for alterations and last minuters. Final copy sent out on
> announcements@jakarta.apache.org midday 5-Nov-2002 All times GMT.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob
>
>




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Re: Newsletter - Request for content

Posted by Jeff Turner <je...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 12:46:25PM -0000, Rob Oxspring wrote:
> As you can see the timetable has slipped a bit!  However, there doesn't
> seem to be a lot to go in this issue (just an entry for lucene +
> whatever I write to summarise general@) and I was wondering whether it
> was worth bothering with.  I realise this is to be expected with the
> Christmas / New Year but there has been a general decline in content
> volume over the months and I was wondering whether there was something
> that should be done to address this.  A number of thoughts have been
> mentioned by various people and I'd be interested to hear opinions:
> 
> Reduce the frequency - every 2 months has been suggested before.
> Format revamp - no idea how but ideas welcome - perhaps new blood is
> required?

How about setting up an 'ApacheNewsletter' Wiki page, let content
accumulate, and publish once critical mass is achieved?

I'd imagine that writing a newsletter entry is no fun at all. Probably
each project has only 2 or 3 people with a broad enough understanding of
the issues to 'summarize' a month's communications, identifying the
signal amongst the noise.  It's also a rather subjective task, with a
high risk of offending someone by omitting or misrepresenting points.

Using a Wiki doesn't solve the hard problems, but does lower the barrier
to entry, and makes plain that it's everyone's "problem" to create
content, not just the dedicated few listed below.

> Widen the scope - ant and Avalon have grown up to be (at least
> partially) outside the jakarta scope, should we include
> xml.apache.org? and it's children? maybe just a simple *.apache.org?

I know Forrest has a willing contributor :) and I'm sure with some
arm-twisting, one could be found for Cocoon.


--Jeff

> (with some appropriate rename)
> Maybe its fine as it is?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rob
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob Oxspring" <ro...@apache.org>
> To: "'Jakarta General List'" <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Cc: "'James Strachan'" <ja...@yahoo.co.uk>; "'Henri Yandell'" <ba...@generationjava.com>; "'Conor MacNeill'"
> <co...@cortexebusiness.com.au>; "'Stefan Bodewig'" <bo...@apache.org>; "'Otis Gospodnetic'" <ot...@yahoo.com>; "'David
> Sean Taylor'" <da...@bluesunrise.com>; "'Martin Poeschl'" <mp...@marmot.at>
> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 2:30 PM
> Subject: Newsletter - Request for content
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Re: Newsletter - Request for content

Posted by Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Rob Oxspring <ro...@apache.org> wrote:

> Reduce the frequency - every 2 months has been suggested before.

Has that helped to get more content into the October issue?

> Widen the scope - ant and Avalon have grown up to be (at least
> partially) outside the jakarta scope, should we include
> xml.apache.org?

You could invite them (and anybody else) and add news for whatever
(sub)project has provided input.

> Maybe its fine as it is?

To me it is, thanks a lot.

Stefan

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Re: Newsletter - Request for content

Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Rob Oxspring wrote:

> Reduce the frequency - every 2 months has been suggested before.

If you have the energy, 1 month is nice. PArtecipating is not 
compulsory, so some projects may do it with less frequency.

> Format revamp - no idea how but ideas welcome - perhaps new blood is required?

I like the format :-)

> Widen the scope - ant and Avalon have grown up to be (at least partially) outside the jakarta scope, should we include
> xml.apache.org? and it's children? maybe just a simple *.apache.org? (with some appropriate rename)

If you have energy to bring in the xml.apache projects it would be 
great! Then others too, but maybe one step at a time could help.

> Maybe its fine as it is?

Your work is very much appreciated :-)

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Re: Newsletter - Request for content

Posted by Rob Oxspring <ro...@apache.org>.
As you can see the timetable has slipped a bit!  However, there doesn't seem to be a lot to go in this issue (just an entry for
lucene + whatever I write to summarise general@) and I was wondering whether it was worth bothering with.  I realise this is to be
expected with the Christmas / New Year but there has been a general decline in content volume over the months and I was wondering
whether there was something that should be done to address this.  A number of thoughts have been mentioned by various people and I'd
be interested to hear opinions:

Reduce the frequency - every 2 months has been suggested before.
Format revamp - no idea how but ideas welcome - perhaps new blood is required?
Widen the scope - ant and Avalon have grown up to be (at least partially) outside the jakarta scope, should we include
xml.apache.org? and it's children? maybe just a simple *.apache.org? (with some appropriate rename)
Maybe its fine as it is?

Thanks,

Rob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Oxspring" <ro...@apache.org>
To: "'Jakarta General List'" <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
Cc: "'James Strachan'" <ja...@yahoo.co.uk>; "'Henri Yandell'" <ba...@generationjava.com>; "'Conor MacNeill'"
<co...@cortexebusiness.com.au>; "'Stefan Bodewig'" <bo...@apache.org>; "'Otis Gospodnetic'" <ot...@yahoo.com>; "'David
Sean Taylor'" <da...@bluesunrise.com>; "'Martin Poeschl'" <mp...@marmot.at>
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 2:30 PM
Subject: Newsletter - Request for content


> The end of the month is approaching again and I'm sure that, like me, a
> lot of you are focused on celebrating the new year.  Once all that is
> over I'd like to post the December issue of the newsletter so if people
> can send any reports to me that would be great.  Everyone is welcome to
> send summaries of any jakarta issues, those CC'd are so since they
> posted last time and are asked for a repeat effort or to try and prod
> others on the respective lists into taking over.
>
> In terms of timescale I'd like to pull the drafts together next weekend
> and post as soon as additions stop trickling in.  If the timescale
> doesn't suit but you'd like to contribute then give me an idea of you'll
> have something ready and we can discuss how long we can wait.
>
> In the meantime, thanks everyone and Happy New Year!
>
> Rob
>
> P.S. Big thanks to Otis for beating the content request! As usual!
>
>
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Newsletter - Request for content

Posted by Rob Oxspring <ro...@apache.org>.
The end of the month is approaching again and I'm sure that, like me, a
lot of you are focused on celebrating the new year.  Once all that is
over I'd like to post the December issue of the newsletter so if people
can send any reports to me that would be great.  Everyone is welcome to
send summaries of any jakarta issues, those CC'd are so since they
posted last time and are asked for a repeat effort or to try and prod
others on the respective lists into taking over.

In terms of timescale I'd like to pull the drafts together next weekend
and post as soon as additions stop trickling in.  If the timescale
doesn't suit but you'd like to contribute then give me an idea of you'll
have something ready and we can discuss how long we can wait.

In the meantime, thanks everyone and Happy New Year!

Rob

P.S. Big thanks to Otis for beating the content request! As usual!


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