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Posted to dev@livy.apache.org by Justin Mclean <jm...@apache.org> on 2018/10/04 21:30:40 UTC
Possible missing mentor(s)
Hi,
We had a number of discussion on general@ over the past few months about missing mentors. A few weeks back I sent an email to the person/people listed below because we think that may be missing mentor and got no response. If they could respond here (CCing me) here staying they want to continue as a mentor for this prodding that would be great help.
Mentor(s) we tried to contact and didn't respond:
Brock Noland
If I made an error and they have been active then apologies in advance.
Thanks,
Justin
(V.P. Incubator)
Re: Possible missing mentor(s)
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 4:50 PM Justin Mclean <jm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> We have discussed missing mentors on the incubator general list, identified those who may be missing and over a couple of months tried to contact your mentor in several ways but have got no reply so they have been removed from the roster.
>
> If this is error, and your mentor is actually active, please contact me and I'll add them back to the roster.
>
> The IPMC will also do what it can to find extra mentors for those podling that need them.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
> (V.P. Incubator)
Just FYI, I am around...
Also, note that sometimes these messages get lost on the Gmail
threading feature when it's copied into multiple podlings with the
same subject line.
--
Luciano Resende
http://twitter.com/lresende1975
http://lresende.blogspot.com/
RE: Possible missing mentor(s)
Posted by Alex Bozarth <aj...@us.ibm.com>.
Sorry for my delayed weigh-in as a committer, I was on (a rare) vacation.
As for the discussion, I agree with Marco's points. As far as I go, the
PR's I've been pinged on are either WIP or changes were requested and then
left hanging. Also as many have said, if I'm not pinged I don't usually
check on open PRs since I haven't have bandwidth for Livy development
recently. For PRs I do believe things could be better, but I also believe
that Livy's handling of open PRs is approximately the same as other
projects like Spark (not to say that's necessarily a positive). It also may
be time to start pruning hanging PRs: pinging creators on PRs left with
unaddressed change requests and closing them if there's no response in a
set time, closing PRs that have been discussed and seemingly rejected,
requesting reviewers for PRs that are active but without reviews. This is
something Spark does regularly but after 2 years we've yet to do. We could
also offer the dev list an opportunity to resurrect PRs abandoned by their
original dev before closing them if another dev wants to continue work on
it.
Alex Bozarth
Software Engineer
Center for Open-Source Data & AI Technologies
E-mail: ajbozart@us.ibm.com
GitHub: github.com/ajbozarth
505 Howard Street
San Francisco, CA 94105
United States
From: Marco Gaido <ma...@gmail.com>
To: dev@livy.incubator.apache.org
Cc: Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org>
Date: 09/02/2019 02:01 AM
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Possible missing mentor(s)
Sid, answering to the PRs you pointed out, I think open meisam's PRs are:
- 1 WIP;
- 1 changes were requested and he has not done them;
- 1 I commented on it and it was stated that the feature could have been
merged if the PR is brought up to date, which hasn't so far by the
contributor.
Moreover, I have never seen on the PRs committers getting pinged. IMHO,
those PRs are stuck due to the inactivity of the contributor.
Surely we have to do more in order to be able to review more PRs, but, as
Saisai said, we are stil a small community with few active committers, so
we try and do our best.
More importantly, I think there is really no evidence at all of the alleged
bias.
In general, I think we all know that you need to be very active in the
community to avoid PRs getting stale. This is true also for bigger
communities like Spark.
So what I'd encourage is also more proactivity by the contributors. I think
the message should not be: "I open a PR and committer must immediately
merge it"; but "I open a PR, I ask for committers' help on reviews and try
and push in order to have it in if the PR is important".
Thanks,
Marco
Il giorno dom 1 set 2019 alle ore 20:52 Pat Ferrel <pa...@occamsmachete.com>
ha scritto:
> Seems like some action should be taken before 2 years, even if it is to
> close the PR because it is not appropriate. Isn’t this the responsibility
> of the chair to guard against committer changes where the contributor is
> still willing? Or if a mentor is guiding the PR they should help it get
> unstalled if the contributor is still willing to make changes.
>
> The point (2 year old PRs) seems well taken. The question should be; what
> can be done about this?
>
> For what it’s worth, we are just starting to use Livy and wish it was
part
> of Spark. We would like to treat Spark as a “microservice” as a compute
> engine. The Spark team seems to want to make Spark integral to the
> architecture of ALL applications that use it. Very odd from our point of
> view.
>
> So to integrate Livy we deeply hope it doesn’t fall into disrepair and
are
> willing to help when we run into something.
>
>
> From: Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org> <sa...@apache.org>
> Reply: dev@livy.incubator.apache.org <de...@livy.incubator.apache.org>
> <de...@livy.incubator.apache.org>
> Date: September 1, 2019 at 11:19:00 AM
> To: dev@livy.incubator.apache.org <de...@livy.incubator.apache.org>
> <de...@livy.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Possible missing mentor(s)
>
> "Second, if someone has a *good* and *large* contribution history, and
> actively participates in community, we will add him without doubt. Third,
> 2-year old open PRs doesn't stand anything, some reviewers left the
> community and PRs get staled, it is quite common, especially in large
> community."
>
> Meisam has 7 closed and 3 open PRs - of the 4 oldest open PRs in Livy (I
> see 4 in 2017), 2 are his. He's ranked #10 in the contributor list --
> It's not a large contribution history mostly because it takes so long to
> merge and he has been consistently active for 2 years. The size of the
> community doesn't seem a factor here with <200 closed PRs and <50
> contributors.
>
> How are you prioritizing PR merges if you think having a 2 year old open
PR
> is okay and you don't a ton of open PRs?
> -s
>
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 2:25 AM Saisai Shao <sa...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > First, we're scaling the PR review, but we only have few active
> committers,
> > so the merge may not be fast.
> > Second, if someone has a *good* and *large* contribution history, and
> > actively participates in community, we will add him without doubt.
> > Third, 2-year old open PRs doesn't stand anything, some reviewers left
> the
> > community and PRs get staled, it is quite common, especially in large
> > community.
> >
> > Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org> 于2019年9月1日周日 下午4:46写道：
> >
> > > Apache projects promote contributors to committers based on
> contributions
> > > made, not on an expectation of future activity. That's the Apache way
> per
> > > my understanding. Over time, folks become inactive and busy -- life
> > > happens, I get it. May I ask what are you folks doing to scale PR
> review
> > > and merging? Are you adding new committers? Do you feel that 2-year
old
> > > open PRs is where you wish to be and is the right way to grow a
> > community?
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 1:46 AM Sid Anand <r3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Apache projects promote contributors to committers based on
> > contributions
> > > > made, not on an expectation of future activity. That's the Apache
way
> > per
> > > > my understanding. Over time, folks become inactive and busy -- life
> > > > happens, I get it. May I ask what are you folks doing to scale PR
> > review
> > > > and merging? Are you adding new committers? Do you feel that 2-year
> > old
> > > > open PRs is where you wish to be and is the right way to grow a
> > > community?
> > > >
> > > > -s
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 12:59 AM Saisai Shao
<sa...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> It's unfair to say there's underlying bias. Livy project is a
small
> > > >> project, the contributor diversity may not be as rich as popular
> > project
> > > >> like Spark, it is not fair to say that the contributions only
limits
> > to
> > > >> someones, so project is biased. There're many small Apache project
> > which
> > > >> has only few contributors, can we say those projects are biased?
> Also
> > > for
> > > >> years the committers have joined and left the community, it is
hard
> to
> > > >> track every contribution in time, as we're not a full-time Livy
open
> > > >> source
> > > >> contributors. I also have several PRs left unreviewed for years.
> It's
> > > >> quite
> > > >> common even for large project like Spark, Hadoop, there're so many
> > > >> un-merged PRs left for several years. It's unfair to say the
project
> > is
> > > >> biased, unhealthy because of some un-merged PRs.
> > > >>
> > > >> The community is small but free and open, I would deny that the
> > > community
> > > >> is unhealthy especially biased, this is an irresponsible and
> > subjective
> > > >> word.
> > > >>
> > > >> Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org> 于2019年9月1日周日 上午4:20写道：
> > > >>
> > > >> > Folks!
> > > >> > We've (several devs, myself included) contacted the livy dev
list
> > and
> > > >> the
> > > >> > owners DL several times. Our PRs stagnated over a few years.
Livy
> > is a
> > > >> > central component in PayPal's Data Infra (Our data footprint is
> 80+
> > > PB).
> > > >> > The project seems pretty unhealthy. After a few years, this dev
> > moved
> > > on
> > > >> > and the state of our PR may be harder to define, with both
> absentee
> > > >> > mentors/PMC/committers and PR author.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I see only a narrow band of contributors being merged. I hope
> there
> > is
> > > >> no
> > > >> > underlying bias, given that this would not be the Apache way. As
> > > >> mentors, I
> > > >> > hope the goal is to watch for such bias and eliminate it to
> promote
> > > >> > community health, engagement, and integrity.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -s
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 10:22 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> > > jb@nanthrax.net>
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Hi Justin,
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Like Luciano, I'm also around. I've proposed couple of new
> > features
> > > >> that
> > > >> > > I plan to work on and I try to review/verify the releases.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Regards
> > > >> > > JB
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On 21/10/2018 01:50, Justin Mclean wrote:
> > > >> > > > Hi,
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > We have discussed missing mentors on the incubator general
> list,
> > > >> > > identified those who may be missing and over a couple of
months
> > > tried
> > > >> to
> > > >> > > contact your mentor in several ways but have got no reply so
> they
> > > have
> > > >> > been
> > > >> > > removed from the roster.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > If this is error, and your mentor is actually active, please
> > > >> contact me
> > > >> > > and I'll add them back to the roster.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > The IPMC will also do what it can to find extra mentors for
> > those
> > > >> > > podling that need them.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Thanks,
> > > >> > > > Justin
> > > >> > > > (V.P. Incubator)
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > --
> > > >> > > Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> > > >> > > jbonofre@apache.org
> > > >> > >
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blog.nanthrax.net&d=DwIFaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=S1_S7Dymu4ZL6g7L21O78VQZ53vEnAyZ-cx37DPYDyo&m=79giSRK7IUn3zXaM7ySmizaESAKLZX6DfnboFN4kAmg&s=VMIWhY6PSSjQOKzhS2RpMbbVRTwPd0qvSUHUT0q3GNc&e=
> > > >> > > Talend -
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.talend.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=S1_S7Dymu4ZL6g7L21O78VQZ53vEnAyZ-cx37DPYDyo&m=79giSRK7IUn3zXaM7ySmizaESAKLZX6DfnboFN4kAmg&s=8a9EnolsIQYOOttVJbk4Pxu0cW-FZM-E55LJXoWHomw&e=
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Possible missing mentor(s)
Posted by Marco Gaido <ma...@gmail.com>.
Sid, answering to the PRs you pointed out, I think open meisam's PRs are:
- 1 WIP;
- 1 changes were requested and he has not done them;
- 1 I commented on it and it was stated that the feature could have been
merged if the PR is brought up to date, which hasn't so far by the
contributor.
Moreover, I have never seen on the PRs committers getting pinged. IMHO,
those PRs are stuck due to the inactivity of the contributor.
Surely we have to do more in order to be able to review more PRs, but, as
Saisai said, we are stil a small community with few active committers, so
we try and do our best.
More importantly, I think there is really no evidence at all of the alleged
bias.
In general, I think we all know that you need to be very active in the
community to avoid PRs getting stale. This is true also for bigger
communities like Spark.
So what I'd encourage is also more proactivity by the contributors. I think
the message should not be: "I open a PR and committer must immediately
merge it"; but "I open a PR, I ask for committers' help on reviews and try
and push in order to have it in if the PR is important".
Thanks,
Marco
Il giorno dom 1 set 2019 alle ore 20:52 Pat Ferrel <pa...@occamsmachete.com>
ha scritto:
> Seems like some action should be taken before 2 years, even if it is to
> close the PR because it is not appropriate. Isn’t this the responsibility
> of the chair to guard against committer changes where the contributor is
> still willing? Or if a mentor is guiding the PR they should help it get
> unstalled if the contributor is still willing to make changes.
>
> The point (2 year old PRs) seems well taken. The question should be; what
> can be done about this?
>
> For what it’s worth, we are just starting to use Livy and wish it was part
> of Spark. We would like to treat Spark as a “microservice” as a compute
> engine. The Spark team seems to want to make Spark integral to the
> architecture of ALL applications that use it. Very odd from our point of
> view.
>
> So to integrate Livy we deeply hope it doesn’t fall into disrepair and are
> willing to help when we run into something.
>
>
> From: Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org> <sa...@apache.org>
> Reply: dev@livy.incubator.apache.org <de...@livy.incubator.apache.org>
> <de...@livy.incubator.apache.org>
> Date: September 1, 2019 at 11:19:00 AM
> To: dev@livy.incubator.apache.org <de...@livy.incubator.apache.org>
> <de...@livy.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Possible missing mentor(s)
>
> "Second, if someone has a *good* and *large* contribution history, and
> actively participates in community, we will add him without doubt. Third,
> 2-year old open PRs doesn't stand anything, some reviewers left the
> community and PRs get staled, it is quite common, especially in large
> community."
>
> Meisam has 7 closed and 3 open PRs - of the 4 oldest open PRs in Livy (I
> see 4 in 2017), 2 are his. He's ranked #10 in the contributor list --
> It's not a large contribution history mostly because it takes so long to
> merge and he has been consistently active for 2 years. The size of the
> community doesn't seem a factor here with <200 closed PRs and <50
> contributors.
>
> How are you prioritizing PR merges if you think having a 2 year old open PR
> is okay and you don't a ton of open PRs?
> -s
>
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 2:25 AM Saisai Shao <sa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > First, we're scaling the PR review, but we only have few active
> committers,
> > so the merge may not be fast.
> > Second, if someone has a *good* and *large* contribution history, and
> > actively participates in community, we will add him without doubt.
> > Third, 2-year old open PRs doesn't stand anything, some reviewers left
> the
> > community and PRs get staled, it is quite common, especially in large
> > community.
> >
> > Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org> 于2019年9月1日周日 下午4:46写道：
> >
> > > Apache projects promote contributors to committers based on
> contributions
> > > made, not on an expectation of future activity. That's the Apache way
> per
> > > my understanding. Over time, folks become inactive and busy -- life
> > > happens, I get it. May I ask what are you folks doing to scale PR
> review
> > > and merging? Are you adding new committers? Do you feel that 2-year old
> > > open PRs is where you wish to be and is the right way to grow a
> > community?
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 1:46 AM Sid Anand <r3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Apache projects promote contributors to committers based on
> > contributions
> > > > made, not on an expectation of future activity. That's the Apache way
> > per
> > > > my understanding. Over time, folks become inactive and busy -- life
> > > > happens, I get it. May I ask what are you folks doing to scale PR
> > review
> > > > and merging? Are you adding new committers? Do you feel that 2-year
> > old
> > > > open PRs is where you wish to be and is the right way to grow a
> > > community?
> > > >
> > > > -s
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 12:59 AM Saisai Shao <sa...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> It's unfair to say there's underlying bias. Livy project is a small
> > > >> project, the contributor diversity may not be as rich as popular
> > project
> > > >> like Spark, it is not fair to say that the contributions only limits
> > to
> > > >> someones, so project is biased. There're many small Apache project
> > which
> > > >> has only few contributors, can we say those projects are biased?
> Also
> > > for
> > > >> years the committers have joined and left the community, it is hard
> to
> > > >> track every contribution in time, as we're not a full-time Livy open
> > > >> source
> > > >> contributors. I also have several PRs left unreviewed for years.
> It's
> > > >> quite
> > > >> common even for large project like Spark, Hadoop, there're so many
> > > >> un-merged PRs left for several years. It's unfair to say the project
> > is
> > > >> biased, unhealthy because of some un-merged PRs.
> > > >>
> > > >> The community is small but free and open, I would deny that the
> > > community
> > > >> is unhealthy especially biased, this is an irresponsible and
> > subjective
> > > >> word.
> > > >>
> > > >> Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org> 于2019年9月1日周日 上午4:20写道：
> > > >>
> > > >> > Folks!
> > > >> > We've (several devs, myself included) contacted the livy dev list
> > and
> > > >> the
> > > >> > owners DL several times. Our PRs stagnated over a few years. Livy
> > is a
> > > >> > central component in PayPal's Data Infra (Our data footprint is
> 80+
> > > PB).
> > > >> > The project seems pretty unhealthy. After a few years, this dev
> > moved
> > > on
> > > >> > and the state of our PR may be harder to define, with both
> absentee
> > > >> > mentors/PMC/committers and PR author.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I see only a narrow band of contributors being merged. I hope
> there
> > is
> > > >> no
> > > >> > underlying bias, given that this would not be the Apache way. As
> > > >> mentors, I
> > > >> > hope the goal is to watch for such bias and eliminate it to
> promote
> > > >> > community health, engagement, and integrity.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -s
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 10:22 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> > > jb@nanthrax.net>
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Hi Justin,
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Like Luciano, I'm also around. I've proposed couple of new
> > features
> > > >> that
> > > >> > > I plan to work on and I try to review/verify the releases.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Regards
> > > >> > > JB
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On 21/10/2018 01:50, Justin Mclean wrote:
> > > >> > > > Hi,
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > We have discussed missing mentors on the incubator general
> list,
> > > >> > > identified those who may be missing and over a couple of months
> > > tried
> > > >> to
> > > >> > > contact your mentor in several ways but have got no reply so
> they
> > > have
> > > >> > been
> > > >> > > removed from the roster.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > If this is error, and your mentor is actually active, please
> > > >> contact me
> > > >> > > and I'll add them back to the roster.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > The IPMC will also do what it can to find extra mentors for
> > those
> > > >> > > podling that need them.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Thanks,
> > > >> > > > Justin
> > > >> > > > (V.P. Incubator)
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > --
> > > >> > > Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> > > >> > > jbonofre@apache.org
> > > >> > > http://blog.nanthrax.net
> > > >> > > Talend - http://www.talend.com
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Possible missing mentor(s)
Posted by Pat Ferrel <pa...@occamsmachete.com>.
Seems like some action should be taken before 2 years, even if it is to
close the PR because it is not appropriate. Isn’t this the responsibility
of the chair to guard against committer changes where the contributor is
still willing? Or if a mentor is guiding the PR they should help it get
unstalled if the contributor is still willing to make changes.
The point (2 year old PRs) seems well taken. The question should be; what
can be done about this?
For what it’s worth, we are just starting to use Livy and wish it was part
of Spark. We would like to treat Spark as a “microservice” as a compute
engine. The Spark team seems to want to make Spark integral to the
architecture of ALL applications that use it. Very odd from our point of
view.
So to integrate Livy we deeply hope it doesn’t fall into disrepair and are
willing to help when we run into something.
From: Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org> <sa...@apache.org>
Reply: dev@livy.incubator.apache.org <de...@livy.incubator.apache.org>
<de...@livy.incubator.apache.org>
Date: September 1, 2019 at 11:19:00 AM
To: dev@livy.incubator.apache.org <de...@livy.incubator.apache.org>
<de...@livy.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Possible missing mentor(s)
"Second, if someone has a *good* and *large* contribution history, and
actively participates in community, we will add him without doubt. Third,
2-year old open PRs doesn't stand anything, some reviewers left the
community and PRs get staled, it is quite common, especially in large
community."
Meisam has 7 closed and 3 open PRs - of the 4 oldest open PRs in Livy (I
see 4 in 2017), 2 are his. He's ranked #10 in the contributor list --
It's not a large contribution history mostly because it takes so long to
merge and he has been consistently active for 2 years. The size of the
community doesn't seem a factor here with <200 closed PRs and <50
contributors.
How are you prioritizing PR merges if you think having a 2 year old open PR
is okay and you don't a ton of open PRs?
-s
On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 2:25 AM Saisai Shao <sa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> First, we're scaling the PR review, but we only have few active
committers,
> so the merge may not be fast.
> Second, if someone has a *good* and *large* contribution history, and
> actively participates in community, we will add him without doubt.
> Third, 2-year old open PRs doesn't stand anything, some reviewers left
the
> community and PRs get staled, it is quite common, especially in large
> community.
>
> Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org> 于2019年9月1日周日 下午4:46写道：
>
> > Apache projects promote contributors to committers based on
contributions
> > made, not on an expectation of future activity. That's the Apache way
per
> > my understanding. Over time, folks become inactive and busy -- life
> > happens, I get it. May I ask what are you folks doing to scale PR
review
> > and merging? Are you adding new committers? Do you feel that 2-year old
> > open PRs is where you wish to be and is the right way to grow a
> community?
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 1:46 AM Sid Anand <r3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Apache projects promote contributors to committers based on
> contributions
> > > made, not on an expectation of future activity. That's the Apache way
> per
> > > my understanding. Over time, folks become inactive and busy -- life
> > > happens, I get it. May I ask what are you folks doing to scale PR
> review
> > > and merging? Are you adding new committers? Do you feel that 2-year
> old
> > > open PRs is where you wish to be and is the right way to grow a
> > community?
> > >
> > > -s
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 12:59 AM Saisai Shao <sa...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> It's unfair to say there's underlying bias. Livy project is a small
> > >> project, the contributor diversity may not be as rich as popular
> project
> > >> like Spark, it is not fair to say that the contributions only limits
> to
> > >> someones, so project is biased. There're many small Apache project
> which
> > >> has only few contributors, can we say those projects are biased?
Also
> > for
> > >> years the committers have joined and left the community, it is hard
to
> > >> track every contribution in time, as we're not a full-time Livy open
> > >> source
> > >> contributors. I also have several PRs left unreviewed for years.
It's
> > >> quite
> > >> common even for large project like Spark, Hadoop, there're so many
> > >> un-merged PRs left for several years. It's unfair to say the project
> is
> > >> biased, unhealthy because of some un-merged PRs.
> > >>
> > >> The community is small but free and open, I would deny that the
> > community
> > >> is unhealthy especially biased, this is an irresponsible and
> subjective
> > >> word.
> > >>
> > >> Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org> 于2019年9月1日周日 上午4:20写道：
> > >>
> > >> > Folks!
> > >> > We've (several devs, myself included) contacted the livy dev list
> and
> > >> the
> > >> > owners DL several times. Our PRs stagnated over a few years. Livy
> is a
> > >> > central component in PayPal's Data Infra (Our data footprint is
80+
> > PB).
> > >> > The project seems pretty unhealthy. After a few years, this dev
> moved
> > on
> > >> > and the state of our PR may be harder to define, with both
absentee
> > >> > mentors/PMC/committers and PR author.
> > >> >
> > >> > I see only a narrow band of contributors being merged. I hope
there
> is
> > >> no
> > >> > underlying bias, given that this would not be the Apache way. As
> > >> mentors, I
> > >> > hope the goal is to watch for such bias and eliminate it to
promote
> > >> > community health, engagement, and integrity.
> > >> >
> > >> > -s
> > >> >
> > >> > On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 10:22 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> > jb@nanthrax.net>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Hi Justin,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Like Luciano, I'm also around. I've proposed couple of new
> features
> > >> that
> > >> > > I plan to work on and I try to review/verify the releases.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Regards
> > >> > > JB
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On 21/10/2018 01:50, Justin Mclean wrote:
> > >> > > > Hi,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > We have discussed missing mentors on the incubator general
list,
> > >> > > identified those who may be missing and over a couple of months
> > tried
> > >> to
> > >> > > contact your mentor in several ways but have got no reply so
they
> > have
> > >> > been
> > >> > > removed from the roster.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > If this is error, and your mentor is actually active, please
> > >> contact me
> > >> > > and I'll add them back to the roster.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > The IPMC will also do what it can to find extra mentors for
> those
> > >> > > podling that need them.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Thanks,
> > >> > > > Justin
> > >> > > > (V.P. Incubator)
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> > >> > > jbonofre@apache.org
> > >> > > http://blog.nanthrax.net
> > >> > > Talend - http://www.talend.com
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
Re: Possible missing mentor(s)
Posted by Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org>.
"Second, if someone has a *good* and *large* contribution history, and
actively participates in community, we will add him without doubt. Third,
2-year old open PRs doesn't stand anything, some reviewers left the
community and PRs get staled, it is quite common, especially in large
community."
Meisam has 7 closed and 3 open PRs - of the 4 oldest open PRs in Livy (I
see 4 in 2017), 2 are his. He's ranked #10 in the contributor list --
It's not a large contribution history mostly because it takes so long to
merge and he has been consistently active for 2 years. The size of the
community doesn't seem a factor here with <200 closed PRs and <50
contributors.
How are you prioritizing PR merges if you think having a 2 year old open PR
is okay and you don't a ton of open PRs?
-s
On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 2:25 AM Saisai Shao <sa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> First, we're scaling the PR review, but we only have few active committers,
> so the merge may not be fast.
> Second, if someone has a *good* and *large* contribution history, and
> actively participates in community, we will add him without doubt.
> Third, 2-year old open PRs doesn't stand anything, some reviewers left the
> community and PRs get staled, it is quite common, especially in large
> community.
>
> Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org> 于2019年9月1日周日 下午4:46写道：
>
> > Apache projects promote contributors to committers based on contributions
> > made, not on an expectation of future activity. That's the Apache way per
> > my understanding. Over time, folks become inactive and busy -- life
> > happens, I get it. May I ask what are you folks doing to scale PR review
> > and merging? Are you adding new committers? Do you feel that 2-year old
> > open PRs is where you wish to be and is the right way to grow a
> community?
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 1:46 AM Sid Anand <r3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Apache projects promote contributors to committers based on
> contributions
> > > made, not on an expectation of future activity. That's the Apache way
> per
> > > my understanding. Over time, folks become inactive and busy -- life
> > > happens, I get it. May I ask what are you folks doing to scale PR
> review
> > > and merging? Are you adding new committers? Do you feel that 2-year
> old
> > > open PRs is where you wish to be and is the right way to grow a
> > community?
> > >
> > > -s
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 12:59 AM Saisai Shao <sa...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> It's unfair to say there's underlying bias. Livy project is a small
> > >> project, the contributor diversity may not be as rich as popular
> project
> > >> like Spark, it is not fair to say that the contributions only limits
> to
> > >> someones, so project is biased. There're many small Apache project
> which
> > >> has only few contributors, can we say those projects are biased? Also
> > for
> > >> years the committers have joined and left the community, it is hard to
> > >> track every contribution in time, as we're not a full-time Livy open
> > >> source
> > >> contributors. I also have several PRs left unreviewed for years. It's
> > >> quite
> > >> common even for large project like Spark, Hadoop, there're so many
> > >> un-merged PRs left for several years. It's unfair to say the project
> is
> > >> biased, unhealthy because of some un-merged PRs.
> > >>
> > >> The community is small but free and open, I would deny that the
> > community
> > >> is unhealthy especially biased, this is an irresponsible and
> subjective
> > >> word.
> > >>
> > >> Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org> 于2019年9月1日周日 上午4:20写道：
> > >>
> > >> > Folks!
> > >> > We've (several devs, myself included) contacted the livy dev list
> and
> > >> the
> > >> > owners DL several times. Our PRs stagnated over a few years. Livy
> is a
> > >> > central component in PayPal's Data Infra (Our data footprint is 80+
> > PB).
> > >> > The project seems pretty unhealthy. After a few years, this dev
> moved
> > on
> > >> > and the state of our PR may be harder to define, with both absentee
> > >> > mentors/PMC/committers and PR author.
> > >> >
> > >> > I see only a narrow band of contributors being merged. I hope there
> is
> > >> no
> > >> > underlying bias, given that this would not be the Apache way. As
> > >> mentors, I
> > >> > hope the goal is to watch for such bias and eliminate it to promote
> > >> > community health, engagement, and integrity.
> > >> >
> > >> > -s
> > >> >
> > >> > On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 10:22 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> > jb@nanthrax.net>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Hi Justin,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Like Luciano, I'm also around. I've proposed couple of new
> features
> > >> that
> > >> > > I plan to work on and I try to review/verify the releases.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Regards
> > >> > > JB
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On 21/10/2018 01:50, Justin Mclean wrote:
> > >> > > > Hi,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > We have discussed missing mentors on the incubator general list,
> > >> > > identified those who may be missing and over a couple of months
> > tried
> > >> to
> > >> > > contact your mentor in several ways but have got no reply so they
> > have
> > >> > been
> > >> > > removed from the roster.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > If this is error, and your mentor is actually active, please
> > >> contact me
> > >> > > and I'll add them back to the roster.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > The IPMC will also do what it can to find extra mentors for
> those
> > >> > > podling that need them.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Thanks,
> > >> > > > Justin
> > >> > > > (V.P. Incubator)
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> > >> > > jbonofre@apache.org
> > >> > > http://blog.nanthrax.net
> > >> > > Talend - http://www.talend.com
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
Re: Possible missing mentor(s)
Posted by Saisai Shao <sa...@gmail.com>.
First, we're scaling the PR review, but we only have few active committers,
so the merge may not be fast.
Second, if someone has a *good* and *large* contribution history, and
actively participates in community, we will add him without doubt.
Third, 2-year old open PRs doesn't stand anything, some reviewers left the
community and PRs get staled, it is quite common, especially in large
community.
Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org> 于2019年9月1日周日 下午4:46写道：
> Apache projects promote contributors to committers based on contributions
> made, not on an expectation of future activity. That's the Apache way per
> my understanding. Over time, folks become inactive and busy -- life
> happens, I get it. May I ask what are you folks doing to scale PR review
> and merging? Are you adding new committers? Do you feel that 2-year old
> open PRs is where you wish to be and is the right way to grow a community?
>
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 1:46 AM Sid Anand <r3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Apache projects promote contributors to committers based on contributions
> > made, not on an expectation of future activity. That's the Apache way per
> > my understanding. Over time, folks become inactive and busy -- life
> > happens, I get it. May I ask what are you folks doing to scale PR review
> > and merging? Are you adding new committers? Do you feel that 2-year old
> > open PRs is where you wish to be and is the right way to grow a
> community?
> >
> > -s
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 12:59 AM Saisai Shao <sa...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> It's unfair to say there's underlying bias. Livy project is a small
> >> project, the contributor diversity may not be as rich as popular project
> >> like Spark, it is not fair to say that the contributions only limits to
> >> someones, so project is biased. There're many small Apache project which
> >> has only few contributors, can we say those projects are biased? Also
> for
> >> years the committers have joined and left the community, it is hard to
> >> track every contribution in time, as we're not a full-time Livy open
> >> source
> >> contributors. I also have several PRs left unreviewed for years. It's
> >> quite
> >> common even for large project like Spark, Hadoop, there're so many
> >> un-merged PRs left for several years. It's unfair to say the project is
> >> biased, unhealthy because of some un-merged PRs.
> >>
> >> The community is small but free and open, I would deny that the
> community
> >> is unhealthy especially biased, this is an irresponsible and subjective
> >> word.
> >>
> >> Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org> 于2019年9月1日周日 上午4:20写道：
> >>
> >> > Folks!
> >> > We've (several devs, myself included) contacted the livy dev list and
> >> the
> >> > owners DL several times. Our PRs stagnated over a few years. Livy is a
> >> > central component in PayPal's Data Infra (Our data footprint is 80+
> PB).
> >> > The project seems pretty unhealthy. After a few years, this dev moved
> on
> >> > and the state of our PR may be harder to define, with both absentee
> >> > mentors/PMC/committers and PR author.
> >> >
> >> > I see only a narrow band of contributors being merged. I hope there is
> >> no
> >> > underlying bias, given that this would not be the Apache way. As
> >> mentors, I
> >> > hope the goal is to watch for such bias and eliminate it to promote
> >> > community health, engagement, and integrity.
> >> >
> >> > -s
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 10:22 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> jb@nanthrax.net>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi Justin,
> >> > >
> >> > > Like Luciano, I'm also around. I've proposed couple of new features
> >> that
> >> > > I plan to work on and I try to review/verify the releases.
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards
> >> > > JB
> >> > >
> >> > > On 21/10/2018 01:50, Justin Mclean wrote:
> >> > > > Hi,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > We have discussed missing mentors on the incubator general list,
> >> > > identified those who may be missing and over a couple of months
> tried
> >> to
> >> > > contact your mentor in several ways but have got no reply so they
> have
> >> > been
> >> > > removed from the roster.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If this is error, and your mentor is actually active, please
> >> contact me
> >> > > and I'll add them back to the roster.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The IPMC will also do what it can to find extra mentors for those
> >> > > podling that need them.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thanks,
> >> > > > Justin
> >> > > > (V.P. Incubator)
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> >> > > jbonofre@apache.org
> >> > > http://blog.nanthrax.net
> >> > > Talend - http://www.talend.com
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
Re: Possible missing mentor(s)
Posted by Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org>.
Apache projects promote contributors to committers based on contributions
made, not on an expectation of future activity. That's the Apache way per
my understanding. Over time, folks become inactive and busy -- life
happens, I get it. May I ask what are you folks doing to scale PR review
and merging? Are you adding new committers? Do you feel that 2-year old
open PRs is where you wish to be and is the right way to grow a community?
On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 1:46 AM Sid Anand <r3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Apache projects promote contributors to committers based on contributions
> made, not on an expectation of future activity. That's the Apache way per
> my understanding. Over time, folks become inactive and busy -- life
> happens, I get it. May I ask what are you folks doing to scale PR review
> and merging? Are you adding new committers? Do you feel that 2-year old
> open PRs is where you wish to be and is the right way to grow a community?
>
> -s
>
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 12:59 AM Saisai Shao <sa...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It's unfair to say there's underlying bias. Livy project is a small
>> project, the contributor diversity may not be as rich as popular project
>> like Spark, it is not fair to say that the contributions only limits to
>> someones, so project is biased. There're many small Apache project which
>> has only few contributors, can we say those projects are biased? Also for
>> years the committers have joined and left the community, it is hard to
>> track every contribution in time, as we're not a full-time Livy open
>> source
>> contributors. I also have several PRs left unreviewed for years. It's
>> quite
>> common even for large project like Spark, Hadoop, there're so many
>> un-merged PRs left for several years. It's unfair to say the project is
>> biased, unhealthy because of some un-merged PRs.
>>
>> The community is small but free and open, I would deny that the community
>> is unhealthy especially biased, this is an irresponsible and subjective
>> word.
>>
>> Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org> 于2019年9月1日周日 上午4:20写道：
>>
>> > Folks!
>> > We've (several devs, myself included) contacted the livy dev list and
>> the
>> > owners DL several times. Our PRs stagnated over a few years. Livy is a
>> > central component in PayPal's Data Infra (Our data footprint is 80+ PB).
>> > The project seems pretty unhealthy. After a few years, this dev moved on
>> > and the state of our PR may be harder to define, with both absentee
>> > mentors/PMC/committers and PR author.
>> >
>> > I see only a narrow band of contributors being merged. I hope there is
>> no
>> > underlying bias, given that this would not be the Apache way. As
>> mentors, I
>> > hope the goal is to watch for such bias and eliminate it to promote
>> > community health, engagement, and integrity.
>> >
>> > -s
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 10:22 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi Justin,
>> > >
>> > > Like Luciano, I'm also around. I've proposed couple of new features
>> that
>> > > I plan to work on and I try to review/verify the releases.
>> > >
>> > > Regards
>> > > JB
>> > >
>> > > On 21/10/2018 01:50, Justin Mclean wrote:
>> > > > Hi,
>> > > >
>> > > > We have discussed missing mentors on the incubator general list,
>> > > identified those who may be missing and over a couple of months tried
>> to
>> > > contact your mentor in several ways but have got no reply so they have
>> > been
>> > > removed from the roster.
>> > > >
>> > > > If this is error, and your mentor is actually active, please
>> contact me
>> > > and I'll add them back to the roster.
>> > > >
>> > > > The IPMC will also do what it can to find extra mentors for those
>> > > podling that need them.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks,
>> > > > Justin
>> > > > (V.P. Incubator)
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> > > jbonofre@apache.org
>> > > http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> > > Talend - http://www.talend.com
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
Re: Possible missing mentor(s)
Posted by Sid Anand <r3...@gmail.com>.
Apache projects promote contributors to committers based on contributions
made, not on an expectation of future activity. That's the Apache way per
my understanding. Over time, folks become inactive and busy -- life
happens, I get it. May I ask what are you folks doing to scale PR review
and merging? Are you adding new committers? Do you feel that 2-year old
open PRs is where you wish to be and is the right way to grow a community?
-s
On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 12:59 AM Saisai Shao <sa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's unfair to say there's underlying bias. Livy project is a small
> project, the contributor diversity may not be as rich as popular project
> like Spark, it is not fair to say that the contributions only limits to
> someones, so project is biased. There're many small Apache project which
> has only few contributors, can we say those projects are biased? Also for
> years the committers have joined and left the community, it is hard to
> track every contribution in time, as we're not a full-time Livy open source
> contributors. I also have several PRs left unreviewed for years. It's quite
> common even for large project like Spark, Hadoop, there're so many
> un-merged PRs left for several years. It's unfair to say the project is
> biased, unhealthy because of some un-merged PRs.
>
> The community is small but free and open, I would deny that the community
> is unhealthy especially biased, this is an irresponsible and subjective
> word.
>
> Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org> 于2019年9月1日周日 上午4:20写道：
>
> > Folks!
> > We've (several devs, myself included) contacted the livy dev list and the
> > owners DL several times. Our PRs stagnated over a few years. Livy is a
> > central component in PayPal's Data Infra (Our data footprint is 80+ PB).
> > The project seems pretty unhealthy. After a few years, this dev moved on
> > and the state of our PR may be harder to define, with both absentee
> > mentors/PMC/committers and PR author.
> >
> > I see only a narrow band of contributors being merged. I hope there is no
> > underlying bias, given that this would not be the Apache way. As
> mentors, I
> > hope the goal is to watch for such bias and eliminate it to promote
> > community health, engagement, and integrity.
> >
> > -s
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 10:22 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Justin,
> > >
> > > Like Luciano, I'm also around. I've proposed couple of new features
> that
> > > I plan to work on and I try to review/verify the releases.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > JB
> > >
> > > On 21/10/2018 01:50, Justin Mclean wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > We have discussed missing mentors on the incubator general list,
> > > identified those who may be missing and over a couple of months tried
> to
> > > contact your mentor in several ways but have got no reply so they have
> > been
> > > removed from the roster.
> > > >
> > > > If this is error, and your mentor is actually active, please contact
> me
> > > and I'll add them back to the roster.
> > > >
> > > > The IPMC will also do what it can to find extra mentors for those
> > > podling that need them.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Justin
> > > > (V.P. Incubator)
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> > > jbonofre@apache.org
> > > http://blog.nanthrax.net
> > > Talend - http://www.talend.com
> > >
> >
>
Re: Possible missing mentor(s)
Posted by Saisai Shao <sa...@gmail.com>.
It's unfair to say there's underlying bias. Livy project is a small
project, the contributor diversity may not be as rich as popular project
like Spark, it is not fair to say that the contributions only limits to
someones, so project is biased. There're many small Apache project which
has only few contributors, can we say those projects are biased? Also for
years the committers have joined and left the community, it is hard to
track every contribution in time, as we're not a full-time Livy open source
contributors. I also have several PRs left unreviewed for years. It's quite
common even for large project like Spark, Hadoop, there're so many
un-merged PRs left for several years. It's unfair to say the project is
biased, unhealthy because of some un-merged PRs.
The community is small but free and open, I would deny that the community
is unhealthy especially biased, this is an irresponsible and subjective
word.
Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org> 于2019年9月1日周日 上午4:20写道：
> Folks!
> We've (several devs, myself included) contacted the livy dev list and the
> owners DL several times. Our PRs stagnated over a few years. Livy is a
> central component in PayPal's Data Infra (Our data footprint is 80+ PB).
> The project seems pretty unhealthy. After a few years, this dev moved on
> and the state of our PR may be harder to define, with both absentee
> mentors/PMC/committers and PR author.
>
> I see only a narrow band of contributors being merged. I hope there is no
> underlying bias, given that this would not be the Apache way. As mentors, I
> hope the goal is to watch for such bias and eliminate it to promote
> community health, engagement, and integrity.
>
> -s
>
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 10:22 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Justin,
> >
> > Like Luciano, I'm also around. I've proposed couple of new features that
> > I plan to work on and I try to review/verify the releases.
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
> > On 21/10/2018 01:50, Justin Mclean wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > We have discussed missing mentors on the incubator general list,
> > identified those who may be missing and over a couple of months tried to
> > contact your mentor in several ways but have got no reply so they have
> been
> > removed from the roster.
> > >
> > > If this is error, and your mentor is actually active, please contact me
> > and I'll add them back to the roster.
> > >
> > > The IPMC will also do what it can to find extra mentors for those
> > podling that need them.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Justin
> > > (V.P. Incubator)
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> > jbonofre@apache.org
> > http://blog.nanthrax.net
> > Talend - http://www.talend.com
> >
>
Re: Possible missing mentor(s)
Posted by Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org>.
Marco,
Thanks for your response. I've sent meisam's open PRs link below, some of
which have been open for 2 years. Though he has left PayPal, I've CC'd him
here. It might take a bit of work to figure out who the other PP
contributors are, as they may also have since left. If I find their PRs, I
can also submit them. Meisam, do you know of other contributors?
Regarding meisam's open PRs, I do see there were active discussion and then
things just drop off. And with high latency in the conversation, files tend
to repeatedly incur merge conflicts (the curse of long-open PRs), which is
an observation not unique to this project -- a lot of popular projects
suffer this.
Sorry if my initial email was too harsh. I had sent a few emails in the
past and didn't see responses to them. I appreciate your help.
-s
On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 10:16 PM Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org> wrote:
> Please advise on meisam's PRs (2 open for 2 years) :
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-livy/pulls/meisam
>
> On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 2:09 PM Marco Gaido <ma...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sid,
>>>
>>> what you are stating is pretty serious. I am not sure whether you have
>>> specific examples you're referring to.
>>> Since I've been asked to join the PMC, I regularly check open PRs and I
>>> try
>>> and review/check all those on the part I have more confidence with, ie.
>>> the
>>> thriftserver. Honestly, I don't recall to miss to review any PR I was
>>> pinged on.
>>>
>>> Recently, I remember only the proposal of the Livy clients, for which,
>>> AFAIK, there were checks on the legal implications and proper ways to
>>> have
>>> that contributed to Livy. And I think I have been active part of that
>>> discussion too. So, I cannot see the bias you're referring to.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marco
>>>
>>> Il giorno sab 31 ago 2019 alle ore 22:20 Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org>
>>> ha
>>> scritto:
>>>
>>> > Folks!
>>> > We've (several devs, myself included) contacted the livy dev list and
>>> the
>>> > owners DL several times. Our PRs stagnated over a few years. Livy is a
>>> > central component in PayPal's Data Infra (Our data footprint is 80+
>>> PB).
>>> > The project seems pretty unhealthy. After a few years, this dev moved
>>> on
>>> > and the state of our PR may be harder to define, with both absentee
>>> > mentors/PMC/committers and PR author.
>>> >
>>> > I see only a narrow band of contributors being merged. I hope there is
>>> no
>>> > underlying bias, given that this would not be the Apache way. As
>>> mentors, I
>>> > hope the goal is to watch for such bias and eliminate it to promote
>>> > community health, engagement, and integrity.
>>> >
>>> > -s
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 10:22 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net
>>> >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Hi Justin,
>>> > >
>>> > > Like Luciano, I'm also around. I've proposed couple of new features
>>> that
>>> > > I plan to work on and I try to review/verify the releases.
>>> > >
>>> > > Regards
>>> > > JB
>>> > >
>>> > > On 21/10/2018 01:50, Justin Mclean wrote:
>>> > > > Hi,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > We have discussed missing mentors on the incubator general list,
>>> > > identified those who may be missing and over a couple of months
>>> tried to
>>> > > contact your mentor in several ways but have got no reply so they
>>> have
>>> > been
>>> > > removed from the roster.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > If this is error, and your mentor is actually active, please
>>> contact me
>>> > > and I'll add them back to the roster.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > The IPMC will also do what it can to find extra mentors for those
>>> > > podling that need them.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Thanks,
>>> > > > Justin
>>> > > > (V.P. Incubator)
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > > Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>> > > jbonofre@apache.org
>>> > > http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>> > > Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>
Re: Possible missing mentor(s)
Posted by Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org>.
Please advise on meisam's PRs (2 open for 2 years) :
https://github.com/apache/incubator-livy/pulls/meisam
On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 2:09 PM Marco Gaido <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sid,
>>
>> what you are stating is pretty serious. I am not sure whether you have
>> specific examples you're referring to.
>> Since I've been asked to join the PMC, I regularly check open PRs and I
>> try
>> and review/check all those on the part I have more confidence with, ie.
>> the
>> thriftserver. Honestly, I don't recall to miss to review any PR I was
>> pinged on.
>>
>> Recently, I remember only the proposal of the Livy clients, for which,
>> AFAIK, there were checks on the legal implications and proper ways to have
>> that contributed to Livy. And I think I have been active part of that
>> discussion too. So, I cannot see the bias you're referring to.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Marco
>>
>> Il giorno sab 31 ago 2019 alle ore 22:20 Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org> ha
>> scritto:
>>
>> > Folks!
>> > We've (several devs, myself included) contacted the livy dev list and
>> the
>> > owners DL several times. Our PRs stagnated over a few years. Livy is a
>> > central component in PayPal's Data Infra (Our data footprint is 80+ PB).
>> > The project seems pretty unhealthy. After a few years, this dev moved on
>> > and the state of our PR may be harder to define, with both absentee
>> > mentors/PMC/committers and PR author.
>> >
>> > I see only a narrow band of contributors being merged. I hope there is
>> no
>> > underlying bias, given that this would not be the Apache way. As
>> mentors, I
>> > hope the goal is to watch for such bias and eliminate it to promote
>> > community health, engagement, and integrity.
>> >
>> > -s
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 10:22 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi Justin,
>> > >
>> > > Like Luciano, I'm also around. I've proposed couple of new features
>> that
>> > > I plan to work on and I try to review/verify the releases.
>> > >
>> > > Regards
>> > > JB
>> > >
>> > > On 21/10/2018 01:50, Justin Mclean wrote:
>> > > > Hi,
>> > > >
>> > > > We have discussed missing mentors on the incubator general list,
>> > > identified those who may be missing and over a couple of months tried
>> to
>> > > contact your mentor in several ways but have got no reply so they have
>> > been
>> > > removed from the roster.
>> > > >
>> > > > If this is error, and your mentor is actually active, please
>> contact me
>> > > and I'll add them back to the roster.
>> > > >
>> > > > The IPMC will also do what it can to find extra mentors for those
>> > > podling that need them.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks,
>> > > > Justin
>> > > > (V.P. Incubator)
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> > > jbonofre@apache.org
>> > > http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> > > Talend - http://www.talend.com
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
Re: Possible missing mentor(s)
Posted by Sid Anand <r3...@gmail.com>.
Please advise on meisam's PRs (2 open for 2 years) :
https://github.com/apache/incubator-livy/pulls/meisam
-s
On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 2:09 PM Marco Gaido <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Sid,
>
> what you are stating is pretty serious. I am not sure whether you have
> specific examples you're referring to.
> Since I've been asked to join the PMC, I regularly check open PRs and I try
> and review/check all those on the part I have more confidence with, ie. the
> thriftserver. Honestly, I don't recall to miss to review any PR I was
> pinged on.
>
> Recently, I remember only the proposal of the Livy clients, for which,
> AFAIK, there were checks on the legal implications and proper ways to have
> that contributed to Livy. And I think I have been active part of that
> discussion too. So, I cannot see the bias you're referring to.
>
> Thanks,
> Marco
>
> Il giorno sab 31 ago 2019 alle ore 22:20 Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org> ha
> scritto:
>
> > Folks!
> > We've (several devs, myself included) contacted the livy dev list and the
> > owners DL several times. Our PRs stagnated over a few years. Livy is a
> > central component in PayPal's Data Infra (Our data footprint is 80+ PB).
> > The project seems pretty unhealthy. After a few years, this dev moved on
> > and the state of our PR may be harder to define, with both absentee
> > mentors/PMC/committers and PR author.
> >
> > I see only a narrow band of contributors being merged. I hope there is no
> > underlying bias, given that this would not be the Apache way. As
> mentors, I
> > hope the goal is to watch for such bias and eliminate it to promote
> > community health, engagement, and integrity.
> >
> > -s
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 10:22 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Justin,
> > >
> > > Like Luciano, I'm also around. I've proposed couple of new features
> that
> > > I plan to work on and I try to review/verify the releases.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > JB
> > >
> > > On 21/10/2018 01:50, Justin Mclean wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > We have discussed missing mentors on the incubator general list,
> > > identified those who may be missing and over a couple of months tried
> to
> > > contact your mentor in several ways but have got no reply so they have
> > been
> > > removed from the roster.
> > > >
> > > > If this is error, and your mentor is actually active, please contact
> me
> > > and I'll add them back to the roster.
> > > >
> > > > The IPMC will also do what it can to find extra mentors for those
> > > podling that need them.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Justin
> > > > (V.P. Incubator)
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> > > jbonofre@apache.org
> > > http://blog.nanthrax.net
> > > Talend - http://www.talend.com
> > >
> >
>
Re: Possible missing mentor(s)
Posted by Marco Gaido <ma...@gmail.com>.
Hi Sid,
what you are stating is pretty serious. I am not sure whether you have
specific examples you're referring to.
Since I've been asked to join the PMC, I regularly check open PRs and I try
and review/check all those on the part I have more confidence with, ie. the
thriftserver. Honestly, I don't recall to miss to review any PR I was
pinged on.
Recently, I remember only the proposal of the Livy clients, for which,
AFAIK, there were checks on the legal implications and proper ways to have
that contributed to Livy. And I think I have been active part of that
discussion too. So, I cannot see the bias you're referring to.
Thanks,
Marco
Il giorno sab 31 ago 2019 alle ore 22:20 Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org> ha
scritto:
> Folks!
> We've (several devs, myself included) contacted the livy dev list and the
> owners DL several times. Our PRs stagnated over a few years. Livy is a
> central component in PayPal's Data Infra (Our data footprint is 80+ PB).
> The project seems pretty unhealthy. After a few years, this dev moved on
> and the state of our PR may be harder to define, with both absentee
> mentors/PMC/committers and PR author.
>
> I see only a narrow band of contributors being merged. I hope there is no
> underlying bias, given that this would not be the Apache way. As mentors, I
> hope the goal is to watch for such bias and eliminate it to promote
> community health, engagement, and integrity.
>
> -s
>
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 10:22 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Justin,
> >
> > Like Luciano, I'm also around. I've proposed couple of new features that
> > I plan to work on and I try to review/verify the releases.
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
> > On 21/10/2018 01:50, Justin Mclean wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > We have discussed missing mentors on the incubator general list,
> > identified those who may be missing and over a couple of months tried to
> > contact your mentor in several ways but have got no reply so they have
> been
> > removed from the roster.
> > >
> > > If this is error, and your mentor is actually active, please contact me
> > and I'll add them back to the roster.
> > >
> > > The IPMC will also do what it can to find extra mentors for those
> > podling that need them.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Justin
> > > (V.P. Incubator)
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> > jbonofre@apache.org
> > http://blog.nanthrax.net
> > Talend - http://www.talend.com
> >
>
Re: Possible missing mentor(s)
Posted by Sid Anand <sa...@apache.org>.
Folks!
We've (several devs, myself included) contacted the livy dev list and the
owners DL several times. Our PRs stagnated over a few years. Livy is a
central component in PayPal's Data Infra (Our data footprint is 80+ PB).
The project seems pretty unhealthy. After a few years, this dev moved on
and the state of our PR may be harder to define, with both absentee
mentors/PMC/committers and PR author.
I see only a narrow band of contributors being merged. I hope there is no
underlying bias, given that this would not be the Apache way. As mentors, I
hope the goal is to watch for such bias and eliminate it to promote
community health, engagement, and integrity.
-s
On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 10:22 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
wrote:
> Hi Justin,
>
> Like Luciano, I'm also around. I've proposed couple of new features that
> I plan to work on and I try to review/verify the releases.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 21/10/2018 01:50, Justin Mclean wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > We have discussed missing mentors on the incubator general list,
> identified those who may be missing and over a couple of months tried to
> contact your mentor in several ways but have got no reply so they have been
> removed from the roster.
> >
> > If this is error, and your mentor is actually active, please contact me
> and I'll add them back to the roster.
> >
> > The IPMC will also do what it can to find extra mentors for those
> podling that need them.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> > (V.P. Incubator)
> >
>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>
Re: Possible missing mentor(s)
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Justin,
Like Luciano, I'm also around. I've proposed couple of new features that
I plan to work on and I try to review/verify the releases.
Regards
JB
On 21/10/2018 01:50, Justin Mclean wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We have discussed missing mentors on the incubator general list, identified those who may be missing and over a couple of months tried to contact your mentor in several ways but have got no reply so they have been removed from the roster.
>
> If this is error, and your mentor is actually active, please contact me and I'll add them back to the roster.
>
> The IPMC will also do what it can to find extra mentors for those podling that need them.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
> (V.P. Incubator)
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: Possible missing mentor(s)
Posted by Justin Mclean <jm...@apache.org>.
Hi,
We have discussed missing mentors on the incubator general list, identified those who may be missing and over a couple of months tried to contact your mentor in several ways but have got no reply so they have been removed from the roster.
If this is error, and your mentor is actually active, please contact me and I'll add them back to the roster.
The IPMC will also do what it can to find extra mentors for those podling that need them.
Thanks,
Justin
(V.P. Incubator)