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Re: updating the WWW-site
Hi guys-
Now the download page at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/downloads/
downloads_bsf.cgi shows only the 3.0 beta, but not the 2.4 release
version. That doesn't seem right ... ?
Cheers,
Ulf
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Re: updating the WWW-site
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
You are now member of the Jakarta group.
Mvgr,
Martin
Martin van den Bemt wrote:
> Yep that is missing.. I'll do a request later tonight..
>
> Mvgr,
> Martin
>
> ant elder wrote:
>> On Nov 22, 2007 2:02 PM, Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 22 Nov 2007, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From [1] and [2] either there's a permissions problem or we're
>>>> trying to put things in the wrong place. Stefan, as you sound like
>>>> you know a bit about this could you give any pointers on this?
>>> I assume you are familiar with <http://www.apache.org/dev/> and in
>>> particular <http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html>. If not, feel
>>> free to ask (though I may not be too fast in answering since my email
>>> time is pretty limited ATM).
>>>
>>> I just had a look at the directories on minotaur and the bsf source
>>> and binaries directories lacked the group write bit, I've just created
>>> new ones with proper permissions and copied over the contents of the
>>> original ones.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately I cannot remove the old directories (I could rename them
>>> and they now live as .binaries and .source), I'll ask infrastructure
>>> to do that - and fix the permissions for the KEYS and README files
>>> while they are at it as well.
>>>
>>> Stefan
>>>
>> Thanks! Though i still don't seem to be able to update those, is that
>> because my id (antelder) isn't in the jakarta group?
>>
>> ...ant
>>
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Re: updating the WWW-site
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
Yep that is missing.. I'll do a request later tonight..
Mvgr,
Martin
ant elder wrote:
> On Nov 22, 2007 2:02 PM, Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Nov 2007, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From [1] and [2] either there's a permissions problem or we're
>>> trying to put things in the wrong place. Stefan, as you sound like
>>> you know a bit about this could you give any pointers on this?
>> I assume you are familiar with <http://www.apache.org/dev/> and in
>> particular <http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html>. If not, feel
>> free to ask (though I may not be too fast in answering since my email
>> time is pretty limited ATM).
>>
>> I just had a look at the directories on minotaur and the bsf source
>> and binaries directories lacked the group write bit, I've just created
>> new ones with proper permissions and copied over the contents of the
>> original ones.
>>
>> Unfortunately I cannot remove the old directories (I could rename them
>> and they now live as .binaries and .source), I'll ask infrastructure
>> to do that - and fix the permissions for the KEYS and README files
>> while they are at it as well.
>>
>> Stefan
>>
>
> Thanks! Though i still don't seem to be able to update those, is that
> because my id (antelder) isn't in the jakarta group?
>
> ...ant
>
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Re: updating the WWW-site
Posted by ant elder <an...@apache.org>.
On Nov 22, 2007 2:02 PM, Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2007, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From [1] and [2] either there's a permissions problem or we're
> > trying to put things in the wrong place. Stefan, as you sound like
> > you know a bit about this could you give any pointers on this?
>
> I assume you are familiar with <http://www.apache.org/dev/> and in
> particular <http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html>. If not, feel
> free to ask (though I may not be too fast in answering since my email
> time is pretty limited ATM).
>
> I just had a look at the directories on minotaur and the bsf source
> and binaries directories lacked the group write bit, I've just created
> new ones with proper permissions and copied over the contents of the
> original ones.
>
> Unfortunately I cannot remove the old directories (I could rename them
> and they now live as .binaries and .source), I'll ask infrastructure
> to do that - and fix the permissions for the KEYS and README files
> while they are at it as well.
>
> Stefan
>
Thanks! Though i still don't seem to be able to update those, is that
because my id (antelder) isn't in the jakarta group?
...ant
Re: updating the WWW-site
Posted by "Rony G. Flatscher" <Ro...@wu-wien.ac.at>.
Hi ant,
ant elder wrote:
> It looks like all the permissions issues have been sorted out and the
> website mostly updated now and the release archives put on the distribution
> server . The only left that I can see is to get the download page at
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/downloads/downloads_bsf.cgi to mention the
> 3.0 release. If I can work out how to get that done is there anything else
> we need to do before sending a belated official announcement email for the
> 3.0 beta2 release?
>
well, if you manage to get "downloads_bsf.cgi" page to mention both, 2.4
and 3.0beta2, then that is already more than enough!
;)
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Re: updating the WWW-site
Posted by ant elder <an...@gmail.com>.
It looks like all the permissions issues have been sorted out and the
website mostly updated now and the release archives put on the distribution
server . The only left that I can see is to get the download page at
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/downloads/downloads_bsf.cgi to mention the
3.0 release. If I can work out how to get that done is there anything else
we need to do before sending a belated official announcement email for the
3.0 beta2 release?
...ant
On Nov 22, 2007 8:16 PM, Rony G. Flatscher <Ro...@wu-wien.ac.at>
wrote:
> O.K. now I had been able to upload the bsf-3.0-beta2-* files to
> </www/www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/bsf>!
>
> So hopefully now everything is in place for picking up the 2.4 and the
> 3.0beta BSF packages.
>
> ---rony
>
>
>
> ant elder wrote:
> > On Nov 22, 2007 9:34 AM, Ulf Dittmer <ul...@ulfdittmer.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Ant said:
> >>
> >>> If we just return to the 2.4 status quo then the 3.0 releases will
> never get
> >>> announced, so unless someone feels particularly strongly about it i'd
> rather
> >>> leave it broken like this as at least then it prompts everyone to help
> try
> >>> to get 3.0 published properly.
> >>>
> >> Am I understanding correctly that you're proposing to leave the
> download page as it is?
> >>
> >
> >
> > >Only until all the permissions problems get resolved, which sounds
> like it wont be long.
> >
> > >(As an aside, I would argue that even after the 3.0 release, 2.4 should
> remain available, and visibly linked to.)
> >
> > I agree with you, the 2.x and 3.x versions have completely different
> APIs
> > so some people will stay on 2.x for the foreseeable future and we
> should
> > keep both available.
> >
>
>
>
Re: updating the WWW-site
Posted by "Rony G. Flatscher" <Ro...@wu-wien.ac.at>.
O.K. now I had been able to upload the bsf-3.0-beta2-* files to
</www/www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/bsf>!
So hopefully now everything is in place for picking up the 2.4 and the
3.0beta BSF packages.
---rony
ant elder wrote:
> On Nov 22, 2007 9:34 AM, Ulf Dittmer <ul...@ulfdittmer.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Ant said:
>>
>>> If we just return to the 2.4 status quo then the 3.0 releases will never get
>>> announced, so unless someone feels particularly strongly about it i'd rather
>>> leave it broken like this as at least then it prompts everyone to help try
>>> to get 3.0 published properly.
>>>
>> Am I understanding correctly that you're proposing to leave the download page as it is?
>>
>
>
> >Only until all the permissions problems get resolved, which sounds like it wont be long.
>
> >(As an aside, I would argue that even after the 3.0 release, 2.4 should remain available, and visibly linked to.)
>
> I agree with you, the 2.x and 3.x versions have completely different APIs
> so some people will stay on 2.x for the foreseeable future and we should
> keep both available.
>
Re: updating the WWW-site
Posted by ant elder <an...@gmail.com>.
On Nov 22, 2007 9:34 AM, Ulf Dittmer <ul...@ulfdittmer.com> wrote:
> Ant said:
> > If we just return to the 2.4 status quo then the 3.0 releases will
> > never get
> > announced, so unless someone feels particularly strongly about it
> > i'd rather
> > leave it broken like this as at least then it prompts everyone to
> > help try
> > to get 3.0 published properly.
>
> Am I understanding correctly that you're proposing to leave the
> download page as it is?
Only until all the permissions problems get resolved, which sounds like it
wont be long.
(As an aside, I would argue that even after the 3.0 release, 2.4
> should remain available, and visibly linked to.)
>
I agree with you, the 2.x and 3.x versions have completely different APIs
so some people will stay on 2.x for the foreseeable future and we should
keep both available.
...ant
Re: updating the WWW-site
Posted by Ulf Dittmer <ul...@ulfdittmer.com>.
Ant said:
> If we just return to the 2.4 status quo then the 3.0 releases will
> never get
> announced, so unless someone feels particularly strongly about it
> i'd rather
> leave it broken like this as at least then it prompts everyone to
> help try
> to get 3.0 published properly.
Am I understanding correctly that you're proposing to leave the
download page as it is? If so, then I do feel strongly that that's
the wrong thing to do. Many more people are interested in release
versions than beta versions. There are also plenty of links to that
page that mention that that's where you can get BSF 2.4. Having to
follow the "browse download area" or "archive" links is counter-
intuitive; it looks as if there is no released version right now.
Why not put up the beta version someplace else (I seem to remember
seeing a link to Ant's personal pages at apache.org that contained
it), and change the announcement to point to that page?
(As an aside, I would argue that even after the 3.0 release, 2.4
should remain available, and visibly linked to.)
Ulf
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Re: updating the WWW-site
Posted by Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From [1] and [2] either there's a permissions problem or we're
> trying to put things in the wrong place. Stefan, as you sound like
> you know a bit about this could you give any pointers on this?
I assume you are familiar with <http://www.apache.org/dev/> and in
particular <http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html>. If not, feel
free to ask (though I may not be too fast in answering since my email
time is pretty limited ATM).
I just had a look at the directories on minotaur and the bsf source
and binaries directories lacked the group write bit, I've just created
new ones with proper permissions and copied over the contents of the
original ones.
Unfortunately I cannot remove the old directories (I could rename them
and they now live as .binaries and .source), I'll ask infrastructure
to do that - and fix the permissions for the KEYS and README files
while they are at it as well.
Stefan
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Re: updating the WWW-site
Posted by ant elder <an...@gmail.com>.
On Nov 22, 2007 5:12 AM, Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007, Rony G. Flatscher <Ro...@wu-wien.ac.at>
> wrote:
> >> I haven't worked on the jakarta site myself in a long time, but I
> >> think you really only need to add back the four removed lines and
> >> regenerate the docs.
> >>
> > The problem has arisen by the
> > "http://jakarta.apache.org/site/downloads/downloads_bsf.cgi" script
> > that seems to get automatically generated when the Jakarta site is
> > refreshed (some Python script on a mirror).
>
> No.
>
> The Python script parses the HTML file generated by the XML file I
> cited in my previous mail[1]. The reason you don't see any links to
> the 2.4 release from the download page anymore is that you (Ant) have
> removed them.
>
> Re-add them and the 2.4 links will show up again.
>
> > The only choice on the "download_bsf.cgi" page is the beta2 of BSF
> > 3.0, leading to one of the mirrors for downloading, but the
> > BSF3-beta2 package is not available from any of those mirrors that
> > get used.
>
> This is a different issue. Where have you put your release files on
> people.apache.org?
>
> Releases should be in /www/www.apache.org/dist/... since this is where
> the mirrors pick them up. Looking into
> <http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/bsf/> I don't see them and looking
> at the local file system on minotaur (the machine behind our websites)
> I can't find them either.
>
> Stefan
>
> Footnotes:
> [1]
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/jakarta/site/xdocs/downloads/downloads.xml?r1=592763&r2=594166
>
>
If we just return to the 2.4 status quo then the 3.0 releases will never get
announced, so unless someone feels particularly strongly about it i'd rather
leave it broken like this as at least then it prompts everyone to help try
to get 3.0 published properly.
>From [1] and [2] either there's a permissions problem or we're trying to put
things in the wrong place. Stefan, as you sound like you know a bit about
this could you give any pointers on this?
...ant
[1]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-bsf-dev/200711.mbox/%3c71e1b5740711120725me27b81cv4ee64c55d0b7798d@mail.gmail.com%3e
[2]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-bsf-dev/200711.mbox/%3c47392EA6.8080402@wu-wien.ac.at%3e
Re: updating the WWW-site
Posted by "Rony G. Flatscher" <Ro...@wu-wien.ac.at>.
Hi Stefan,
thank you *very* much for your information and hints!
Stefan Bodewig wrote:
> No.
>
> The Python script parses the HTML file generated by the XML file I
> cited in my previous mail[1]. The reason you don't see any links to
> the 2.4 release from the download page anymore is that you (Ant) have
> removed them.
>
> Re-add them and the 2.4 links will show up again.
>
In the meantime I re-added them again as per your advice!
>> The only choice on the "download_bsf.cgi" page is the beta2 of BSF
>> 3.0, leading to one of the mirrors for downloading, but the
>> BSF3-beta2 package is not available from any of those mirrors that
>> get used.
>>
>
> This is a different issue. Where have you put your release files on
> people.apache.org?
>
They are here: <http://people.apache.org/~antelder/bsf/3.0-beta2-rc2/>.
> Releases should be in /www/www.apache.org/dist/... since this is where
> the mirrors pick them up. Looking into
> <http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/bsf/> I don't see them and looking
> at the local file system on minotaur (the machine behind our websites)
> I can't find them either.
>
Just tried to upload them via sftp to
</www/www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/bsf/binaries>, but was unsuccessful to
do it (permission denied error).
Would you have an advice/hint how I should proceed from here?
> Footnotes:
> [1] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/jakarta/site/xdocs/downloads/downloads.xml?r1=592763&r2=594166
>
That was of great help too, again thank you *very* much!
Regards,
---rony
Re: updating the WWW-site
Posted by Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007, Rony G. Flatscher <Ro...@wu-wien.ac.at>
wrote:
>> I haven't worked on the jakarta site myself in a long time, but I
>> think you really only need to add back the four removed lines and
>> regenerate the docs.
>>
> The problem has arisen by the
> "http://jakarta.apache.org/site/downloads/downloads_bsf.cgi" script
> that seems to get automatically generated when the Jakarta site is
> refreshed (some Python script on a mirror).
No.
The Python script parses the HTML file generated by the XML file I
cited in my previous mail[1]. The reason you don't see any links to
the 2.4 release from the download page anymore is that you (Ant) have
removed them.
Re-add them and the 2.4 links will show up again.
> The only choice on the "download_bsf.cgi" page is the beta2 of BSF
> 3.0, leading to one of the mirrors for downloading, but the
> BSF3-beta2 package is not available from any of those mirrors that
> get used.
This is a different issue. Where have you put your release files on
people.apache.org?
Releases should be in /www/www.apache.org/dist/... since this is where
the mirrors pick them up. Looking into
<http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/bsf/> I don't see them and looking
at the local file system on minotaur (the machine behind our websites)
I can't find them either.
Stefan
Footnotes:
[1] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/jakarta/site/xdocs/downloads/downloads.xml?r1=592763&r2=594166
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Re: updating the WWW-site
Posted by "Rony G. Flatscher" <Ro...@wu-wien.ac.at>.
> I haven't worked on the jakarta site myself in a long time, but I
> think you really only need to add back the four removed lines and
> regenerate the docs.
>
The problem has arisen by the
"http://jakarta.apache.org/site/downloads/downloads_bsf.cgi" script that
seems to get automatically generated when the Jakarta site is refreshed
(some Python script on a mirror).
The only choice on the "download_bsf.cgi" page is the beta2 of BSF 3.0,
leading to one of the mirrors for downloading, but the BSF3-beta2
package is not available from any of those mirrors that get used. The
same holds true when going via <http://jakarta.apache.org/site/downloads/>.
On the download page, if clicking on the "browse download area" link
will list the release version of BSF 2.4.
So things are really messed up a little bit at the moment, and (at least
for me) it is not clear why that could happen in the first place (which
would be important to learn in order to not fall into a possible trap in
the future).
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Re: updating the WWW-site
Posted by Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007, Rony G. Flatscher <Ro...@wu-wien.ac.at>
wrote:
> Hi Ulf,
>> Now the download page at
>> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/downloads/downloads_bsf.cgi shows
>> only the 3.0 beta, but not the 2.4 release version. That doesn't
>> seem right ... ?
> thanks for pointing that out!
>
> If anyone has an idea/hint of why this has happened it would be
> really great
Well,
<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/jakarta/site/xdocs/downloads/downloads.xml?r1=592763&r2=594166>
shows the 2.4 links have been removed.
> (it seems all committers are a little bit greenhorn'ish w.r.t.
> using the infrastructure for publishing).
I haven't worked on the jakarta site myself in a long time, but I
think you really only need to add back the four removed lines and
regenerate the docs.
Stefan
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Re: updating the WWW-site
Posted by "Rony G. Flatscher" <Ro...@wu-wien.ac.at>.
Hi Ulf,
> Now the download page at
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/downloads/downloads_bsf.cgi shows only
> the 3.0 beta, but not the 2.4 release version. That doesn't seem right
> ... ?
thanks for pointing that out!
If anyone has an idea/hint of why this has happened it would be really
great (it seems all committers are a little bit greenhorn'ish w.r.t.
using the infrastructure for publishing).
[Will want to read up all sources on infrastructure for committers to
figure that out, but may take a few days.]
---rony
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