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Posted to users@spamassassin.apache.org by Henry Draper <he...@comm100.com> on 2013/05/17 08:17:47 UTC
Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Hi SpamAssassin PMC,
My name is Henry Draper. I'm from Comm100 Network Corporation. We use SpamAssassin to detect our emails' spam scores.
l how you're invoking SpamAssassin - with default configurations
l what version of SpamAssassin you're using - Version 3.3.2
l your platform. - Windows Server 2008 R2
We have been noticing the record - 3.5 TVD_FROM_1 in the result. As far as I know, "TVD_FROM_1" means sender domain ends in numbers.
Our domain name is Comm100.com and we send emails to our customers from someone@comm100.com<ma...@comm100.com>. And this will trigger off SpamAssassin rule TVD_FROM_1 and spam scores of our emails go up.
Could you please tell us how to avoid triggering this rule? Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
Comm100 sends emails to our opt-in customers only. We do not and will not send spams. And it's very important for us to keep our emails with low spam scores and high inbox delivery rate.
Looking forward to your reply.
Sincerely,
Henry Draper
Comm100 | 100% Communication, 100% Success
Web: www.comm100.com<http://www.comm100.com/> | Email: henry@comm100.com<ma...@comm100.com>
Tel: 1-778-785-0464<tel:1-778-785-0464> (Global) | 1-877-305-0464<tel:1-877-305-0464> (Toll)
Re: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Posted by "Kevin A. McGrail" <KM...@PCCC.com>.
On 7/15/2013 12:08 PM, Scott Witte wrote:
> Kevin A. McGrail wrote
>> A rule that solely checks for a domain ending in a digit cannot have a
>> 3.5 score. It's far too high.
>>
>> I'm adding a score of 1.0 to the rulesrc which should add a ceiling of
>> 1.0 to this for masschecks.
> Kevin,
>
> I fear this didn't really take hold, switched back or else nobody updates SA
> on their servers. I've tested my email with three online spam testers, for
> example mail-tester.com. I get "-3.196 TVD_FROM_1" apparently because my
> domain is tourdeforce360.com. (360 as in 360 degrees.)
>
> I contacted the admin at mail-tester.com who confirmed that they do a
> sa-update nightly.
>
> What am I to do????
Unfortunately, if you are seeing that, they aren't running the latest
rules, latest version, etc. which is something way outside of the
projects control.
I've confirmed that the latest rules 1502947 have a max score of 1.0 on
this rule:
72_active.cf:##{ TVD_FROM_1
72_active.cf:header TVD_FROM_1 From:addr =~
/[^\@0-9]{2}\d{3}\.(?:com|net|org|info|biz)$/i
72_active.cf:#score TVD_FROM_1 1.0
72_active.cf:##} TVD_FROM_1
72_scores.cf:score TVD_FROM_1 1.000 0.998
1.000 0.998
regards,
KAM
Re: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Posted by Scott Witte <sc...@scottwitte.com>.
Kevin A. McGrail wrote
> A rule that solely checks for a domain ending in a digit cannot have a
> 3.5 score. It's far too high.
>
> I'm adding a score of 1.0 to the rulesrc which should add a ceiling of
> 1.0 to this for masschecks.
Kevin,
I fear this didn't really take hold, switched back or else nobody updates SA
on their servers. I've tested my email with three online spam testers, for
example mail-tester.com. I get "-3.196 TVD_FROM_1" apparently because my
domain is tourdeforce360.com. (360 as in 360 degrees.)
I contacted the admin at mail-tester.com who confirmed that they do a
sa-update nightly.
What am I to do????
Scott
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Re: use_auto_learn 0 but then autolearn=ham
Posted by Karsten Bräckelmann <gu...@rudersport.de>.
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Merely removing the quoted body and changing the Subject does not make
it a new thread.
On Fri, 2013-05-17 at 07:57 -0700, Cathryn Mataga wrote:
> use_bayes 1
> use_auto_learn 0
Try running 'spamassassin --lint'.
> But then I see a spam that I keep training as spam over and over again,
> but then it keeps getting auto-learned as Ham.
> How do I turn off this auto_learn stuff once and for all?
bayes_auto_learn 0
There is no use_auto_learn option, it is bayes_auto_learn. Running the
lint command above will complain about an invalid configuration line.
Also see the SA Conf docs [1], in particular the Learning Options
section.
[1] http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.3.x/doc/Mail_SpamAssassin_Conf.html
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use_auto_learn 0 but then autolearn=ham
Posted by Cathryn Mataga <ca...@junglevision.com>.
My local.cf
has this.
bayes_file_mode 0666
use_bayes 1
use_auto_learn 0
skip_rbl_checks 0
rbl_timeout 3
score RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET 3
score RCVD_IN_URIBL_SBL 3
But then I see a spam that I keep training as spam over and over again,
but then it keeps getting auto-learned as Ham.
How do I turn off this auto_learn stuff once and for all?
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Re: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Posted by "Kevin A. McGrail" <KM...@PCCC.com>.
On 5/17/2013 10:57 AM, Bowie Bailey wrote:
> Add this line to your local.cf and restart spamd:
>>>
>>> score TVD_FROM_1 0
>>>
>> I think the issue is more than a local scoring issue.
>>
>> A rule that solely checks for a domain ending in a digit cannot have a
>> 3.5 score. It's far too high.
>
> That may be true, but since that rule will hit almost all of his
> email, he would probably want to disable it locally regardless of the
> score.
>
Very Good point as well.
Re: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Posted by Bowie Bailey <Bo...@BUC.com>.
On 5/17/2013 10:49 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> On 5/17/2013 9:47 AM, Bowie Bailey wrote:
>> On 5/17/2013 2:17 AM, Henry Draper wrote:
>>> Hi SpamAssassin PMC,
>>>
>>> My name is Henry Draper. I’m from Comm100 Network Corporation. We use
>>> SpamAssassin to detect our emails' spam scores.
>>>
>>> lhow you're invoking SpamAssassin – *with default configurations*
>>>
>>> lwhat version of SpamAssassin you're using – *Version 3.3.2*
>>>
>>> lyour platform. – *Windows Server 2008 R2*
>>>
>>> We have been noticing the record - 3.5 TVD_FROM_1 in the result. As
>>> far as I know, "TVD_FROM_1" means sender domain ends in numbers.
>>>
>>> Our domain name is Comm100.com and we send emails to our customers
>>> from someone@comm100.com <ma...@comm100.com>. And this will
>>> trigger off SpamAssassin rule TVD_FROM_1 and spam scores of our
>>> emails go up.
>>>
>>> Could you please tell us how to avoid triggering this rule? Any
>>> suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>> Add this line to your local.cf and restart spamd:
>>
>> score TVD_FROM_1 0
>>
> I think the issue is more than a local scoring issue.
>
> A rule that solely checks for a domain ending in a digit cannot have a
> 3.5 score. It's far too high.
That may be true, but since that rule will hit almost all of his email,
he would probably want to disable it locally regardless of the score.
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答复: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Posted by henrydraper <he...@comm100.com>.
Thanks, Kevin, I checked and now this rule is only causing 1.0 spam score.
Thanks very much.
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主题: Re: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Yep.
Regards,
KAM
henrydraper <[hidden email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=104771&i=0>> wrote:
Thanks Kevin.
I'll check in a few days. All I have to do is a sa-update, right?
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Re: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Posted by "Kevin A. McGrail" <KM...@PCCC.com>.
Excellent!
On 5/23/2013 4:55 AM, henrydraper wrote:
> Thanks, Kevin, I checked and now this rule is only causing 1.0 spam score.
>
Re: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Posted by henrydraper <he...@comm100.com>.
Thanks, Kevin, I checked and now this rule is only causing 1.0 spam score.
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Re: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Posted by "Kevin A. McGrail" <KM...@PCCC.com>.
Yep.
Regards,
KAM
henrydraper <he...@comm100.com> wrote:
>Thanks Kevin.
>I'll check in a few days. All I have to do is a sa-update, right?
>
>
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Re: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Posted by henrydraper <he...@comm100.com>.
Thanks Kevin.
I'll check in a few days. All I have to do is a sa-update, right?
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Re: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Posted by Axb <ax...@gmail.com>.
On 05/17/2013 07:23 PM, John Hardin wrote:
> On Fri, 17 May 2013, Axb wrote:
>
>> On 05/17/2013 05:22 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
>>> On 5/17/2013 10:59 AM, Axb wrote:
>>> > On 05/17/2013 04:49 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
>>> > > I think the issue is more than a local scoring issue.
>>> > > > > A rule that solely checks for a domain ending in a digit
>>> cannot have a
>>> > > 3.5 score. It's far too high.
>>> > > Imo, this rule should be removed completely.
>>> > > many TVD_* rules are from 2006 or older...
>>> > way before we had auto promoting...
>>>
>>> The rule is a sandbox rule and is testing very well in the corpora
>>> unfortunately.
>>
>> ya, like the 12 letter domain rule, nevertheless a bad rule.
>>
>> there are thousands of legitimate domains ending with numbers and they
>> get penalized just because the masscheck corpus hasn't enough ham
>> using that pattern yet a tons of spam from asian domains which use
>> numbers, etc.
>>
>> my LOUD +1 to remove/disable this rule for good.
>>
>> anybody else?
>
> If it's performing well in masscheck it may have utility. Convert it to
> a subrule and see whether it would be useful in combination with other
> things.
If you absolutely have to have a rule like this, pls put in 10_hasbase.cf
Re: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Posted by John Hardin <jh...@impsec.org>.
On Fri, 17 May 2013, Axb wrote:
> On 05/17/2013 05:22 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
>> On 5/17/2013 10:59 AM, Axb wrote:
>> > On 05/17/2013 04:49 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
>> > > I think the issue is more than a local scoring issue.
>> > >
>> > > A rule that solely checks for a domain ending in a digit cannot have a
>> > > 3.5 score. It's far too high.
>> >
>> > Imo, this rule should be removed completely.
>> >
>> > many TVD_* rules are from 2006 or older...
>> > way before we had auto promoting...
>>
>> The rule is a sandbox rule and is testing very well in the corpora
>> unfortunately.
>
> ya, like the 12 letter domain rule, nevertheless a bad rule.
>
> there are thousands of legitimate domains ending with numbers and they get
> penalized just because the masscheck corpus hasn't enough ham using that
> pattern yet a tons of spam from asian domains which use numbers, etc.
>
> my LOUD +1 to remove/disable this rule for good.
>
> anybody else?
If it's performing well in masscheck it may have utility. Convert it to a
subrule and see whether it would be useful in combination with other
things.
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Re: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Posted by "Kevin A. McGrail" <KM...@PCCC.com>.
On 5/17/2013 12:08 PM, David F. Skoll wrote:
> On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:58:48 +0200
> Axb <ax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [Re domain name ends with digits]
>
>> my LOUD +1 to remove/disable this rule for good.
>> anybody else?
> Yes, +1. Rules like this and the 12-char-domain rule
> are much too dangerous.
>
Perhaps change to a __ rule so it can be used in Meta's then.
Regards,
KAM
Re: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Posted by "Andrzej A. Filip" <an...@gmail.com>.
On 05/17/2013 06:08 PM, David F. Skoll wrote:
> On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:58:48 +0200
> Axb <ax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [Re domain name ends with digits]
>
>> my LOUD +1 to remove/disable this rule for good.
>> anybody else?
>
> Yes, +1. Rules like this and the 12-char-domain rule
> are much too dangerous.
IMHO they are reasonably safe with (low) limit on maximum penalty/score
they generate e.g. <0.3. Implementing "group limit would be much better.
[Limit on total score generated by all rules in the group]
IMHO
They are useful but they *MAY* cause harm => it may be worthwhile to
think how to keep risk under control before disabling them _forever_.
Re: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Posted by henrydraper <he...@comm100.com>.
Loud +1 to remove this rule.
Thanks for all your replies.
I know I can change my local config. But my concern is that emails from our
company will end up in our customers' spam folder, if they adopt
SpamAssassin as their mail filter.
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Re: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Posted by "David F. Skoll" <df...@roaringpenguin.com>.
On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:58:48 +0200
Axb <ax...@gmail.com> wrote:
[Re domain name ends with digits]
> my LOUD +1 to remove/disable this rule for good.
> anybody else?
Yes, +1. Rules like this and the 12-char-domain rule
are much too dangerous.
Regards,
David.
Re: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Posted by Axb <ax...@gmail.com>.
On 05/17/2013 05:22 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> On 5/17/2013 10:59 AM, Axb wrote:
>> On 05/17/2013 04:49 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
>>> I think the issue is more than a local scoring issue.
>>>
>>> A rule that solely checks for a domain ending in a digit cannot have a
>>> 3.5 score. It's far too high.
>>
>> Imo, this rule should be removed completely.
>>
>> many TVD_* rules are from 2006 or older...
>> way before we had auto promoting...
>
> The rule is a sandbox rule and is testing very well in the corpora
> unfortunately.
ya, like the 12 letter domain rule, nevertheless a bad rule.
there are thousands of legitimate domains ending with numbers and they
get penalized just because the masscheck corpus hasn't enough ham using
that pattern yet a tons of spam from asian domains which use numbers, etc.
my LOUD +1 to remove/disable this rule for good.
anybody else?
Re: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Posted by "Kevin A. McGrail" <KM...@PCCC.com>.
On 5/17/2013 10:59 AM, Axb wrote:
> On 05/17/2013 04:49 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
>> I think the issue is more than a local scoring issue.
>>
>> A rule that solely checks for a domain ending in a digit cannot have a
>> 3.5 score. It's far too high.
>
> Imo, this rule should be removed completely.
>
> many TVD_* rules are from 2006 or older...
> way before we had auto promoting...
The rule is a sandbox rule and is testing very well in the corpora
unfortunately.
Re: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Posted by Axb <ax...@gmail.com>.
On 05/17/2013 04:49 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> I think the issue is more than a local scoring issue.
>
> A rule that solely checks for a domain ending in a digit cannot have a
> 3.5 score. It's far too high.
Imo, this rule should be removed completely.
many TVD_* rules are from 2006 or older...
way before we had auto promoting...
Re: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Posted by "Kevin A. McGrail" <KM...@PCCC.com>.
On 5/17/2013 9:47 AM, Bowie Bailey wrote:
> On 5/17/2013 2:17 AM, Henry Draper wrote:
>>
>> Hi SpamAssassin PMC,
>>
>> My name is Henry Draper. I’m from Comm100 Network Corporation. We use
>> SpamAssassin to detect our emails' spam scores.
>>
>> lhow you're invoking SpamAssassin – *with default configurations*
>>
>> lwhat version of SpamAssassin you're using – *Version 3.3.2*
>>
>> lyour platform. – *Windows Server 2008 R2*
>>
>> We have been noticing the record - 3.5 TVD_FROM_1 in the result. As
>> far as I know, "TVD_FROM_1" means sender domain ends in numbers.
>>
>> Our domain name is Comm100.com and we send emails to our customers
>> from someone@comm100.com <ma...@comm100.com>. And this will
>> trigger off SpamAssassin rule TVD_FROM_1 and spam scores of our
>> emails go up.
>>
>> Could you please tell us how to avoid triggering this rule? Any
>> suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>
> Add this line to your local.cf and restart spamd:
>
> score TVD_FROM_1 0
>
I think the issue is more than a local scoring issue.
A rule that solely checks for a domain ending in a digit cannot have a
3.5 score. It's far too high.
Initial tests from the cf file show: # 0.197 0.2525 0.0066 0.974
0.67 0.01 T_TVD_FROM_1
I'm adding a score of 1.0 to the rulesrc which should add a ceiling of
1.0 to this for masschecks.
svn commit -m 'adding ceiling on TVD_FROM_1 score'
rulesrc/sandbox/felicity/70_other.cf
Sending rulesrc/sandbox/felicity/70_other.cf
Transmitting file data .
Committed revision 1483832.
Henry, let me know what you see in a few days, please.
Regards,
KAM
Re: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Posted by Bowie Bailey <Bo...@BUC.com>.
On 5/17/2013 2:17 AM, Henry Draper wrote:
>
> Hi SpamAssassin PMC,
>
> My name is Henry Draper. I’m from Comm100 Network Corporation. We use
> SpamAssassin to detect our emails' spam scores.
>
> lhow you're invoking SpamAssassin – *with default configurations*
>
> lwhat version of SpamAssassin you're using – *Version 3.3.2*
>
> lyour platform. – *Windows Server 2008 R2*
>
> We have been noticing the record - 3.5 TVD_FROM_1 in the result. As
> far as I know, "TVD_FROM_1" means sender domain ends in numbers.
>
> Our domain name is Comm100.com and we send emails to our customers
> from someone@comm100.com <ma...@comm100.com>. And this will
> trigger off SpamAssassin rule TVD_FROM_1 and spam scores of our emails
> go up.
>
> Could you please tell us how to avoid triggering this rule? Any
> suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
>
Add this line to your local.cf and restart spamd:
score TVD_FROM_1 0
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Bowie
Re: Rule 'TVD_FROM_1' causing all our emails' spam scores go up
Posted by Benny Pedersen <me...@junc.eu>.
Henry Draper skrev den 2013-05-17 08:17:
> Looking forward to your reply.
Yes, score=7.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_DOCTYPE_MISSING,
HTML_LINE_HEIGHT,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAGS_O_P,HTML_TITLE_MISSING,RELAY_CA,
RELAY_NL,RELAY_STAR,RELAY_US,SAGREY,SPF_PASS,TVD_FROM_1 autolearn=no
version=3.3.2
it makes more sense to disable html posting on maillist ?
TVD_FROM_1 does not alone makes it spam
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senders that put my email into body content will deliver it to my own
trashcan, so if you like to get reply, dont do it