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Posted to derby-dev@db.apache.org by Kathy Saunders <ka...@Source-Zone.com> on 2004/10/04 19:46:38 UTC
Re: JDBC driver for Derby network server mode?
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> Will the license also allow for redistribution?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeremy
>>>
I just wanted to let everyone know that the JDBC driver for the network
server mode has been refreshed at
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/db2/downloads/jcc/. The only change
is that the license now allows redistribution of the driver.
Thanks,
Kathy
Re: JDBC driver for Derby network server mode?
Posted by Ben Walding <be...@gmail.com>.
There is this project - http://sourceforge.net/projects/opendrda/
however it looks fairly dead at the moment.
> >> Why don't you release a OSS version of a driver for derby, or have
> >> the community develop one...
> >>
> >
> > Do We really want another driver?
>
> No, but we really want another license. I'd bet we could get a driver
> written faster than IBM would take to donate to the ASF, or relicense
> under terms that the ASF would accept to keep the jar here in SVN.
>
Re: JDBC driver for Derby network server mode?
Posted by Kathey Marsden <km...@Sourcery.Org>.
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Kathy Saunders wrote:
> Hi,
>
> IBM would like to contribute a client JDBC driver to the Apache Derby
> project. If all goes according to plan, we hope to have the
> contribution available for Apache Derby around March 2005.
>
In preparation for this I was wondering if anyone has any objection to
my adding a new
framework DerbyNetClient to RunTest ahead of time? It will help
facilitate testing with the new driver and would not affect the existing
frameworks.
Thanks
Kathey
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Re: JDBC driver for Derby network server mode?
Posted by Kathy Saunders <ka...@Source-Zone.com>.
Kathy Saunders wrote:
>
>>>
>>> It would seem to be in the best interests of Apache.org, IBM and
>>> potential users.
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree. It's up to the ASF and users to lobby IBM to do the Right
>> Thing (tm)(sm)(R)
>>
>> geir
>>
> I am looking into what can be done on the IBM side, but I don't
> guarantee an immediate resolution. I'll keep everyone informed on any
> progress :-)
>
> Kathy
>
>
Hi,
IBM would like to contribute a client JDBC driver to the Apache Derby
project. If all goes according to plan, we hope to have the
contribution available for Apache Derby around March 2005.
Kathy
Re: JDBC driver for Derby network server mode?
Posted by Daniel John Debrunner <dj...@debrunners.com>.
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Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
> On Oct 5, 2004, at 10:38 AM, Kathy Saunders wrote:
>
>>
>>>>
>>>> It would seem to be in the best interests of Apache.org, IBM and
>>>> potential users.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree. It's up to the ASF and users to lobby IBM to do the Right
>>> Thing (tm)(sm)(R)
>>>
>>> geir
>>>
>> I am looking into what can be done on the IBM side, but I don't
>> guarantee an immediate resolution. I'll keep everyone informed on any
>> progress :-)
>
>
> Thanks. I personally appreciate the effort, as I believe others do. I
> also think you have a hard task on your hands if this is the DB2 driver :)
>
> geir
>
Just to add, as a different Kathey did a while back, IBM has open
sourced a JDBC DRDA driver, called JTOpen, for the AS/400.
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listName=derby-dev@db.apache.org&msgNo=180
I did ask them once if there was any chance of it working against
Cloudscape's Network server, and they thought probably not. Still it
might be interesting for someone to look at to see if it could form a
basis for a Derby DRDA client.
Dan.
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Re: JDBC driver for Derby network server mode?
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
On Oct 5, 2004, at 10:38 AM, Kathy Saunders wrote:
>
>>>
>>> It would seem to be in the best interests of Apache.org, IBM and
>>> potential users.
>>
>>
>> I agree. It's up to the ASF and users to lobby IBM to do the Right
>> Thing (tm)(sm)(R)
>>
>> geir
>>
> I am looking into what can be done on the IBM side, but I don't
> guarantee an immediate resolution. I'll keep everyone informed on any
> progress :-)
Thanks. I personally appreciate the effort, as I believe others do. I
also think you have a hard task on your hands if this is the DB2 driver
:)
geir
--
Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org
Re: JDBC driver for Derby network server mode?
Posted by Kathy Saunders <ka...@Source-Zone.com>.
>>
>> It would seem to be in the best interests of Apache.org, IBM and
>> potential users.
>
>
> I agree. It's up to the ASF and users to lobby IBM to do the Right
> Thing (tm)(sm)(R)
>
> geir
>
I am looking into what can be done on the IBM side, but I don't
guarantee an immediate resolution. I'll keep everyone informed on any
progress :-)
Kathy
Re: JDBC driver for Derby network server mode?
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
On Oct 4, 2004, at 8:13 PM, Dick Applebaum wrote:
>
> On Oct 4, 2004, at 2:39 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2004, at 1:35 PM, Kathy Saunders wrote:
>>
>>> Dick Applebaum wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does this mean that Apache can/will include the driver in the Derby
>>>> distro --kind of a pita to have to go 2 places to assemble a
>>>> runnable Derby
>>>>
>>>> Dick
>>>>
>>> Apache can include the driver in the Derby distrobution (I believe
>>> there are some license requirements to do so. If the Derby
>>> community wants to do that, it should be OK. I don't know what
>>> Apache's general policy is on inlcuding non-open source in one if
>>> its releases. I do know that Apache often points to other sites to
>>> obtain free software.
>>>
>>
>> Why don't you release a OSS version of a driver for derby, or have
>> the community develop one...
>>
>
> Do We really want another driver?
No, but we really want another license. I'd bet we could get a driver
written faster than IBM would take to donate to the ASF, or relicense
under terms that the ASF would accept to keep the jar here in SVN.
>
> Some how, Macromedia is able to redistro a DB2 (Cloudscape/Derby)
> driver with ColdFusion MX -- why can't Apache.org.
One is a commercial entity that's packaging the driver w/ a product,
and the other is an OSS organization that by keeping the jar in SVN
would be violating the terms of the IBM license, or by distributing in
a derby release would be violating the ASFs policy of not releasing
code that has license terms more restrictive than the Apache License.
>
> It would seem to be in the best interests of Apache.org, IBM and
> potential users.
I agree. It's up to the ASF and users to lobby IBM to do the Right
Thing (tm)(sm)(R)
geir
--
Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org
Re: JDBC driver for Derby network server mode?
Posted by Dick Applebaum <di...@mac.com>.
On Oct 4, 2004, at 2:39 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
> On Oct 4, 2004, at 1:35 PM, Kathy Saunders wrote:
>
>> Dick Applebaum wrote:
>>
>>> Does this mean that Apache can/will include the driver in the Derby
>>> distro --kind of a pita to have to go 2 places to assemble a
>>> runnable Derby
>>>
>>> Dick
>>>
>> Apache can include the driver in the Derby distrobution (I believe
>> there are some license requirements to do so. If the Derby community
>> wants to do that, it should be OK. I don't know what Apache's
>> general policy is on inlcuding non-open source in one if its
>> releases. I do know that Apache often points to other sites to
>> obtain free software.
>>
>
> Why don't you release a OSS version of a driver for derby, or have the
> community develop one...
>
Do We really want another driver?
Some how, Macromedia is able to redistro a DB2 (Cloudscape/Derby)
driver with ColdFusion MX -- why can't Apache.org.
It would seem to be in the best interests of Apache.org, IBM and
potential users.
Dick
> geir
>
>
>> Kathy
>>
> --
> Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
> geirm@apache.org
>
>
Some people, when confronted with a problem, think “I know, I’ll use
regular expressions”. Now they have two problems.
--Jamie Zawinski, on comp.lang.emacs
Re: JDBC driver for Derby network server mode?
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
On Oct 4, 2004, at 1:35 PM, Kathy Saunders wrote:
> Dick Applebaum wrote:
>
>> Does this mean that Apache can/will include the driver in the Derby
>> distro --kind of a pita to have to go 2 places to assemble a runnable
>> Derby
>>
>> Dick
>>
> Apache can include the driver in the Derby distrobution (I believe
> there are some license requirements to do so. If the Derby community
> wants to do that, it should be OK. I don't know what Apache's
> general policy is on inlcuding non-open source in one if its releases.
> I do know that Apache often points to other sites to obtain free
> software.
>
Why don't you release a OSS version of a driver for derby, or have the
community develop one...
geir
> Kathy
>
--
Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org
Re: JDBC driver for Derby network server mode?
Posted by Kathy Saunders <ka...@Source-Zone.com>.
Dick Applebaum wrote:
> Does this mean that Apache can/will include the driver in the Derby
> distro --kind of a pita to have to go 2 places to assemble a runnable
> Derby
>
> Dick
>
Apache can include the driver in the Derby distrobution (I believe there
are some license requirements to do so. If the Derby community wants to
do that, it should be OK. I don't know what Apache's general policy
is on inlcuding non-open source in one if its releases. I do know that
Apache often points to other sites to obtain free software.
Kathy
Re: JDBC driver for Derby network server mode?
Posted by Dick Applebaum <di...@mac.com>.
Does this mean that Apache can/will include the driver in the Derby
distro --kind of a pita to have to go 2 places to assemble a runnable
Derby
Dick
On Oct 4, 2004, at 10:46 AM, Kathy Saunders wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Will the license also allow for redistribution?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jeremy
>>>>
> I just wanted to let everyone know that the JDBC driver for the
> network server mode has been refreshed at
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/db2/downloads/jcc/. The only change
> is that the license now allows redistribution of the driver.
> Thanks,
> Kathy
>
Some people, when confronted with a problem, think “I know, I’ll use
regular expressions”. Now they have two problems.
--Jamie Zawinski, on comp.lang.emacs
Re: JDBC driver for Derby network server mode?
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <ds...@gluecode.com>.
That is really too bad. You would think it would be in IBM's best
interest to see the DB2 database driver shipped with as much software
as possible. For example, wouldn't IBM want to say that Tomcat and
Geronimo support DB2 out of the box... no configuration necessary.
Having a redistributable driver is first step.
-dain
On Oct 4, 2004, at 2:30 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
> On Oct 4, 2004, at 10:46 AM, Kathy Saunders wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Will the license also allow for redistribution?
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Jeremy
>>>>>
>> I just wanted to let everyone know that the JDBC driver for the
>> network server mode has been refreshed at
>> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/db2/downloads/jcc/. The only
>> change is that the license now allows redistribution of the driver.
>
> I'm sort of missing that.
>
> I followed the link, went to
>
> http://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/download/preconfig.jsp?id=2004
> -08-03+09%3A06%3A46.338402R&S_TACT=104AH%20W42&S_CMP=&s=
>
> said I wasn't registered, and saw a license that contained terms like
>
> "Redistribution Information
>
> If You have developed an application that is dependent upon the files
> or modules listed below or located in the directory named below, You
> may distribute these files or modules, subject to the following terms:
> 1) The files or modules must be in object code.
> 2) You will indemnify IBM or third parties that provide IBM products
> ("Third Parties") from and against any third party claim arising out
> of the use or distribution of Your application.
> 3) You may not use the same path name as the original files/modules.
> 4) You may not use IBM's or Third Parties' names or trademarks in
> connection with the marketing of Your applications without IBM's or
> Third Parties' prior written consent.
> 5) IBM or Third Parties provide copies of these files or modules "AS
> IS," i.e., You are responsible for all technical assistance for Your
> application.
> 6) In Your license agreement with the recipient, You will notify the
> recipient that these files or modules may not be 1) used for any
> purpose other than to enable the application, 2) copied (except for
> backup purposes), 3) further distributed, or 4) reverse assembled,
> reverse compiled, or otherwise translated.
> "
>
> There's no chance that we'll indemnify IBM, and for #6, part 3, if
> they are placed in CVS, that is a distribution that is not part of the
> application, in which case we are violating the license.
>
> We have the same problem with stuff from Sun, and therefore don't have
> those jars in ASF source control systems....
>
> geir
>
> --
> Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
> geirm@apache.org
Re: JDBC driver for Derby network server mode?
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
On Oct 4, 2004, at 10:46 AM, Kathy Saunders wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Will the license also allow for redistribution?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jeremy
>>>>
> I just wanted to let everyone know that the JDBC driver for the
> network server mode has been refreshed at
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/db2/downloads/jcc/. The only change
> is that the license now allows redistribution of the driver.
I'm sort of missing that.
I followed the link, went to
http://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/download/preconfig.jsp?id=2004-08
-03+09%3A06%3A46.338402R&S_TACT=104AH%20W42&S_CMP=&s=
said I wasn't registered, and saw a license that contained terms like
"Redistribution Information
If You have developed an application that is dependent upon the files
or modules listed below or located in the directory named below, You
may distribute these files or modules, subject to the following terms:
1) The files or modules must be in object code.
2) You will indemnify IBM or third parties that provide IBM products
("Third Parties") from and against any third party claim arising out of
the use or distribution of Your application.
3) You may not use the same path name as the original files/modules.
4) You may not use IBM's or Third Parties' names or trademarks in
connection with the marketing of Your applications without IBM's or
Third Parties' prior written consent.
5) IBM or Third Parties provide copies of these files or modules "AS
IS," i.e., You are responsible for all technical assistance for Your
application.
6) In Your license agreement with the recipient, You will notify the
recipient that these files or modules may not be 1) used for any
purpose other than to enable the application, 2) copied (except for
backup purposes), 3) further distributed, or 4) reverse assembled,
reverse compiled, or otherwise translated.
"
There's no chance that we'll indemnify IBM, and for #6, part 3, if they
are placed in CVS, that is a distribution that is not part of the
application, in which case we are violating the license.
We have the same problem with stuff from Sun, and therefore don't have
those jars in ASF source control systems....
geir
--
Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org